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billi1000 June 18th, 2009 7:57 AM

Currently its known as shinto ruins, i you know the translated US name, please do meansion it, and Hiroshi, i think a drastic change has been done to the johto map specially in that location , and anyway it is still not fully clear, i remembered an area with snow in johto which is the icy path, and in kanto which is the cave where articuno is found (cant remember the name), maybe they can also be possible locations?

>Feelings< June 18th, 2009 7:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Todoroki Is (Post 4759178)
Mount Silver always had snow. We just never saw. I think finally we will. It makes the most sense now then anywhere near the ruins.

Well, it had snow on its artwork, but not in games.
But yeah, now it will have the well-deserved snow.

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Originally Posted by Todoroki Is (Post 4759149)
The ruins are somewhere in the middle. In no way does it seem like there will be snow anywhere. Especially Mount Motar. No way will snow be there.

You're right. I forgot that the new map has already been published.
Therefore, the chance of it being near the ruins has all gone down, too bad...

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Originally Posted by Makku (Post 4759154)
If this turns out to just be a small, unimportant part of a new area that you can explore normally, great! Otherwise it's just annoying.

I loathe in-game things that require specific event Pokémon to unlock.

That's why hacking and cheat codes are there.
Even if the place was only accessible with this Arceus event, cheating would get you there anyways.

Mitchman June 18th, 2009 7:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Hiroshi Sotomura (Post 4759217)
I've brought this up in another thread, but at the foot of this snowy mountain, the Indigo Plateau seems to line up while the Mt. Silver foothill doesn't. Some rearrangement has been done, seriously.

I think they have done this for the sole purpose of giving mount silver an important role through Arceus not Red and you find red in a cave somewhere in the bumpy area next to Mnt. Silver.

billi1000 June 18th, 2009 8:02 AM

Hey why are you considering this to be a fully locked area, like blueblur155 meansioned, it might be one of those areas with events u can enter without the event being activated, like Regigigas temple, were u would only see a still figure of regigigas, so i high think this area will be accessable, but this room will be locked if you dont have arceus.

Mitchman June 18th, 2009 8:09 AM

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Originally Posted by billi1000 (Post 4759249)
Hey why are you considering this to be a fully locked area, like blueblur155 meansioned, it might be one of those areas with events u can enter without the event being activated, like Regigigas temple, were u would only see a still figure of regigigas, so i high think this area will be accessable, but this room will be locked if you dont have arceus.

No I want that to happen. An excavation site of sorts where if you bring Arceus the missing link the area is unlocked. I presume this happens when the scientist at the ruins sees Arceus and gives em a call.

billi1000 June 18th, 2009 8:17 AM

ya why not but i dont think a bunch of scientists will be sitting on top of mount silver just waiting for some1 to arrive with arceus, i think u will need to make it follow u, then when u et in front of the door, it will get close and the door will open or something on those lines :P, anyway, i started seeing that mount coronet and silver are very similar, they both have snow, they both contain important parts of the game, so most likely more similarities will be revealed soon. I guess the magnetic field in coronet is also going to be present in mt silver and it will have multiple levels like mount coronet did, ya now that ll be awsome xD

Mitchman June 18th, 2009 8:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Hiroshi Sotomura (Post 4759290)
Mitchman Is, though some people have frequently stated that the area we've explored in GSC it may be at the "foot of", etc., it means that WE have never been on or around Mt. Silver at ALL.

Wait what? I really didn't get this sentence.

Artemis June 18th, 2009 8:41 AM

Basically it is shown that you bring Arceus to the Ruins, to activate the event. The sighting of snow matching the snowed in area of Mt. Silver on the map kind of relates to the two. I personally believe that Mt. Silver itself will become more expanded after the event is activated within the game. It wouldn't be a hard task to complete and it would also give Johto the needed expansion afterwards. At the foot of Mt. Silver, it does give off the different match-ups from the originals. So, it would probably be best to assume that some rerouting and relocation has been accomplished within the game. This could also mean that Kanto itself [if included] would be altered in routes as well and probably be another expanded area from what it was like in the originals. Honestly though, it is another event for the game, exciting for the most, and it'll definitely give players a chance to train their favorite Sinnoh Dragon legendary.

The location to activate it, as stated seems very likely to be at the top of Mt. Silver, which makes sense as it connects to the idea that Arceus was first situated at the top of Mt. Coronet. Over all, pretty nicely done, and Arceus's large sprite fitting neatly in one tile assures me that the other 493 Pokémon's OW sprite will be perfectly fine within the game.

billi1000 June 18th, 2009 8:50 AM

Kanto is going to be included from what i see, or the magnet train will be useless and the path to the right of the map will lead nowhere. I am sure many new features are also going to be included in kanto, and yes i definitely agree that mount coronet and silver are of atmost similarity, they event look similar externally if you look at the sinnoh map, so there has to be some more common features like the magnetic field ...

Eggie Poo Poo June 18th, 2009 9:09 AM

Personally I always hated when Nintendo made places unaccessible unless you had a special event Pokemon/item. It makes it unfair to the large population of people who don't have these events. This looks like such a cool place, and its going to bother me that I can't get to it cause no way I'll ever have the movie Arceus.

On a side note, I don't think this is such a great move they did. Cynthia should stay in the game she belongs to, same with Giratina, Palkia and Dialga.

Mew~ June 18th, 2009 9:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Todoroki Is (Post 4758757)
It is not in the ruins at all. Arceus is taken to the ruins to unlock this area. It is best assumed to be at the mount silver peak and for me its most likely with all that snow and how its a bit chopped off in the map.

wrong, this is the shinto ruins

billi1000 June 18th, 2009 9:18 AM

When it seems nintendo has been doin these events since platinum and they concern obtaining legendaries without having to obtain them from the original game, this was done with moltress, zapdos, articuno, and the regi trio in platinum , and now it has been done with groudon, kyogre, ryquaza, jirachi, and the three dragon deities of sinnoh, seems for some reason nintendo is moving away from depending on other games to obtain the legendaries, it might be that the new dsi isnt compatible with any previous device i guess since they're doing this, that would be just evil :P

Edit: powerruletheearth, Todoroki Is means they arent located within the Ruin of Alph and not that they arent the ruins themselves, its clear if you read the posts before it.

Mitchman June 18th, 2009 9:22 AM

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Originally Posted by powerruletheearth (Post 4759554)
wrong, this is the shinto ruins

You need arceus brought to the ruins of alph to unlock the Sinto Ruins part.

AJ™ June 18th, 2009 9:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Todoroki Is (Post 4759580)
You need arceus brought to the ruins of alph to unlock the Sinto Ruins part.

Exactly. Last time I checked a gigantic, snowy mountain isn't inside the Ruins of Alph.

billi1000 June 18th, 2009 9:54 AM

till now the only possibility is mount Silver because:
1. It is the only area with snow on the map and it is clear through screenshot that the Shinto Ruins have snow.
2. The importance of mount Silver and its similarity to mount Coronet definitely makes it suitable for placing this event at the top of mount silver like the arceus u can catch in DPPt was on top of mnt Coronet.

Ayselipera June 18th, 2009 1:35 PM

Maybe you unlock a new pokemon, kinda like Deoxys in Firered/Leafgreen.

"Shadow Lugia" June 18th, 2009 1:43 PM

I think it's Mt. Silver. There's no other area covered in snow on the map. In addition, D/P/Pt's Arceus event was on top of Mt. Coronet, so it would make sense for this event to take place on top of Mt. Silver. If it is, then I really hope Red appears, if even for just a second. I can see it now:

-Egg hatches, Unown disappear
-Screen zooms down to the entrance of the ruins
-Red's there
-Red says "..." and then leaves

Haza June 18th, 2009 1:48 PM

On the map there is a cloud over a tiny bit over the mountain and Im assuning this is the location for it.

balkj06 June 18th, 2009 1:56 PM

shinto ruins
that name is alot like Johto and Shinoh

Artemis June 18th, 2009 1:57 PM

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Originally Posted by "Shadow Lugia" (Post 4760514)
I think it's Mt. Silver. There's no other area covered in snow on the map. In addition, D/P/Pt's Arceus event was on top of Mt. Coronet, so it would make sense for this event to take place on top of Mt. Silver. If it is, then I really hope Red appears, if even for just a second. I can see it now:

-Egg hatches, Unown disappear
-Screen zooms down to the entrance of the ruins
-Red's there
-Red says "..." and then leaves

/This.

Mt. Silver is the basic mountain that is seen with a visible ice cap. Not to mention, the image was shown with layers of snow around the area of the Shinto Ruins. So, this location only seems logical after activating the event from the Ruins of Alph. Like stated here as well and I've said before too, placing Arceu's event for the birth of one of the dragon's relates to the original idea of how Arceus would be found at the highest point on Mt. Coronet in Sinnoh.

However, if it is placed in Mt. Coronet, and we do happen to see Red, then I wouldn't assume he might appear, say "..." and then leave. I would honestly like to have at least one battle with him. Though, if this were to happen, then I can see it he doing that, and at a certain time in the game he appears once more. This is when he challenges us, and finally speaks [This is just an idea and speculation on what was said].

billi1000 June 18th, 2009 11:08 PM

u make a very strong point there Hiroshi, it looks like we re gonna see much more of mount silver this time, especially that we saw very little of it before, and it seems were going to be able to explore it from top to bottom

derozio June 18th, 2009 11:39 PM

I really think that this event will take place at Mt.Silver after I read the (rather) genuine reasons given in the posts. That Red idea also sounds cool but I think that Red should definitely challenge us(if not ON the spot at the birth of dragons, then at some other place in Mt.Silver).

(I voted without thinking and thus I voted for arceus event not taking place at Mt.Silver.So silly of me to vote before thinking lol)

billi1000 June 18th, 2009 11:58 PM

red is most likely to be in mount silver like he was in the previous games, but i say they will keep him in the sam spot, and i dont thnik he will be involved in the areceus event, since this event isnt available for all the fans, and it would cause a fan disapointment if u had to activate this event to be able to battle red.

Edit: I thaught i d give a pic of both mount coronet and silver to show how similar they look exterior wise, so here it is:

http://i42.tinypic.com/2rfq5jl.jpg

mount coronet is the one on the left and mt.silver on the right, they both seem to hold something on the top, and does someone see something on mnt silver covered by a cloud, what could that thing be?

>Feelings< June 19th, 2009 1:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Hiroshi Sotomura (Post 4761059)
I'm basically saying, if we believe that Mt. Silver is now part of the Indigo Plateau, that the Mt. Silver we explored in G/S/C can't be the ACTUAL Mt. Silver - meaning we've never gone through the ACTUAL Mt. Silver.

That sounds unrealistic. Remakes can easily change around map placements.
Well, it could be something like the part we visited before was a different section of Mount Silver, maybe?
And now, another new section will be available to be discovered.


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Originally Posted by Hiroshi Sotomura (Post 4761059)
If the name is truly a mix of "Shinou" and "Jouto" or "Kantou", then like Tohjo Falls, it'll keep a similar name. You're probably looking at something like "Sinntoh Ruins" or something. On the other hand, if it's NOT a mix, nor NoA's translation team doesn't see the coincidence, we'll see a different name.

No, not at all.
The name "Shinto" is not a mix of "Shinou" and "Johto" or "Kantou", though that's a clever one you came up with, I must say...

The name is actually directly derived from one of the most followed Religion in Japan.
The word "Shinto" is translated to be "Way of the Gods".
So, the chances are that they will not change it while they translate it.
But if religion issues come up, then they might be forced to, but I don't want it to be changed...

Wings Don't Cry June 19th, 2009 1:32 AM

I'm more interested in this getting one of the dragons and maybe you can actually get all 3 and you can find the orbs around Johto and Kanto and when you take them there you get the respectful dragon matching the orb like in Platinum when you go back to Spear Pillar for Dialga and Palkia


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