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oh and Hiroshi, i remember the indigo plateau being behind mount silver from the east and not on it directly and was located in kanto so it isnt on the johto map, unless nintendo has remaped its possition wich is most likely because i can see the indigo plateau on the new johto map like the old one... http://i44.tinypic.com/whi6c8.jpg |
I think it's possible. Red was found somewhere left of the mountain, the pokemon league near mt. Silver, and what's on the top is where the shinto ruins would be.
"I'm basically saying, if we believe that Mt. Silver is now part of the Indigo Plateau, that the Mt. Silver we explored in G/S/C can't be the ACTUAL Mt. Silver - meaning we've never gone through the ACTUAL Mt. Silver." - Hiroshi http://img30.imageshack.us/i/theory2.jpg/ http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/2876/theory2.jpg http://img30.imageshack.us/i/theory2.jpg/ |
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Hiroshi man thanx for pointing that out, i just watched the video of the shinto ruins and the music at the ruins seems similar to those at mount coronet, even the pillars infront of the entrance of the birth room seem similar to those on top of mount coronet, so i may conclude this has a similar mood to mount coronet, which basicly has a very similar event going on at its peak as well, even if other patches of snow in kanto or johto appear, it still would make the most sense that it is located on top of mount Silver.
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I definitely think the Shinto Ruins will be on top of Mt. Silver. The only evidence against that would be the cloud over the area at the base of Mt. Silver. I could see them covering up a special location..but if the Indigo Plateau is at the base of the mountain, I don't see any reason to cover that up. I keep forgetting...isn't the Johto Pokemon League (Silver Conference in the anime) held at the base of Mt. Silver? So that wouldn't be the Indigo Plateau covered by clouds..I'm confused. |
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Edit: Nevermind. just checked out the other topic. Now, to contribute a bit... The "Johto League" Is in fact, Indigo Plateau. Johto is unique in that (aside from just being awesome) it doesn't have it's own e4. The Silver Conference is an Anime-only thing. And, regardless of the reason for naming it "Shinto Ruins", the word is still shinto, so they'll likely change it. The only decent substitute I see right now is actually naming it "Way of the Gods", or Origin Hall, etc., because the Game Freaks seem to like things with origin in them nowadays. |
This game is going to be GREAT! I love all the new additions and this one looks to be my favorite as of yet :)
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P.S. I think it's on the top on mt. Silver :X |
I think saying it must be on Mt Silver just because there is no is probably pushing it, I would like to see changing weather in HGSS so perhaps a previously unsnowy area may get a layer ;).
I agree its likely to be a new location (outside of the usual map) like in Fire Red with the islands for some legendarys? I don't want another place that I can see but not touch XD no events for me :(. |
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Shinto Ruins is the name given to it for now and that is why a major percentage of the fans are calling it so. However, if the name is altered in anyway, then we'd just have to wait to find out what that may be as it seems like a solid case at the moment. Though, when it is released in the English version, I wouldn't expect the name to stay as Shinto Ruins neither would I expect it to be changed to continue as "Way of the Gods," because that alone will cause controversy for the franchise. Now, I realized Hiroshi commented on the religion Catholic beings the major religion, it isn't. Christianity would fall under that place, and it is this basic group that might take offence us the use of such a thing, especially if it distributed to a younger age group. So, the name may be altered to something else for the English Version, however the Japanese release may keep the Shinto Ruins the same as we speak of it now, because it hasn't caused any problems thus for for the country. However, we'll see how things play out.
As far as the Pokémon League, it was situated at a location here, but with the new ruins because the Arceus event, I might expect something to be altered. I wouldn't say it is impossible, because it can very well happen for the game. If GameFreak sees a fitting position for the new area and makes it piece together well, then they might go for it. Nothing would major in the change besides a different area to travel to for the league. However, if the Shinto Ruins are located at the pin point top of Mt. Silver, then they can simply enlargen the area and keep the League not to far from its original spot or keep it the same as was before. It really depends on the situation how things play out really, and not to mention an addition to the map [if kanto is kept] is still needed to conclude the rest of most theories given. |
Nintendo defenitely knew what they were down when they covered up certain pieces of the map with clouds. This is the only thing that make what is on mount silver unclear . It is either the league or could be something entirely different. Shinto is simply a temporary name in my opponion , the same happened with many DDPt names before these games were released and the name will by all means change once these games hit America.
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You have to keep in mind that although all routes are shown on the maps, they don't add mountain routes. If you look at the sinnoh map with mount coronet, it never shows any routes on top of it, whilst in reality it had a whole bunch.
The same can be said for mount silver, just cos theres no routes drawn in the map (or things covered up with clouds) doesn't mean theres not more there...Mount silver is a pretty big place so you can be sure there's more to it than what's hidden (or not) under the clouds... |
there are several routes that dont appear on the map in addition to the ones not only on mount silver, but that might be on other obstacles as weel, and not to meansion the indoor routes and the way they may be expanded, we dont really know wat to expect as the clouds also cover up important spots on the map, and how about the yellow meadow behind the tin tower, i dont think that was just put there for no reason, so i expect huge route additions, and much more paths inside and outside mount silver, mnt silver is going to be like coronet from the inside and outside i guess , full of routes were u need rock climb and strength and other HMs to make your way to the top...
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Sinntoh Ruins would be an appropriate North Amercian name.
Since it's in the Johto region, and Arceus, Giratina, Dialga, and Palkia all originated from Sinnoh. |
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However, the area on the map that is shuddered in orange air. That is only a reflection to represent the trees by Ecruteak City. It isn't nothing more than that as many have speculated and said before. The town is known for its orange look because of the trees that gives off the color, so adding this into the map's art only makes sense to do so. |
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Though I'm not sure if this event is very befitting for Hg/Ss.... Maybe once we know more about it aka actual translations, it will make more sense to me. Again I know the unown and all but there were unown in solaceon too right?
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maybe theres a snow storm in johto when u visit the place,do any of yall think bout weather anomalies? or pracipitation? (yay i used a big word XD lol)
who knows,but its DEFINITELY NOT in mount silver,it may have snow but its not the ruins type cuz if it was theyd hav had it way back in g/s/c and the anime. then again i could be wrong,maybe itll be like the southern island,navel rock,and that one island whos name i forget that has mew lol id like that whole ticket thing again but instead of nintendo events,just in-game events or make nintendo events happen more than once |
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However, the location of the ruins can very well be placed ontop of Mt. Silver as it gives a good relation to the tip of Mt. Coronet as so many have speculated on. Not to mention, the ice cap and the area of snow gives this idea away pretty clearly, because on the map for now, it is basically the only area shown with much snow. And, just because the ruins weren't there in the original GSC it wouldn't mean they cannot make any alternations to the remakes, because they can. The extra memory and added storyline with these events make it fit in place. It'll also give the players extra area to travel in Mt. Silver than what was provided before. The new areas back this theory up as well, because just as they added in these and the Sevii Islands in FRLG they can extend the area of Mt. Silver once this event is activated within the game. By the way, the games [besides Yellow] never really follow the anime, so even if it wasn't provided there, it can still be brought to the games. Not to forget, in the anime they may make a return to Kanto and these changes can be applied afterwards as well, just as it was done in the Battle Frontier arc of Kanto. |
I really don't think a weather condition will change the tiles on any map in the game as mostly many weather conditions are limited to a certain area like in DPPt, the town which had the marsh ( I no I'm bad at remembering) u can see puddles on the ground due to the raining so if there's snow on the ruins , it ll definitely be snowing full time there , and for the Shintoism I edited the first post giving an explanation that Hiroshi Sotomura pointed out why the name of the ruins is not derived from Shintoism to avoid relating the name to religion.
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Well, for my part what I meant is only the name was taken from the religion - to mean the words "Way of the Gods", not that it is emphasizing on the religion itself. |
I dont think a game can be used to synthesize on a religion because, first, that religious group will open a war with the producer of the game, second, i dont think any previous pokemon game had anything that related to religion, so why to do it now, besides, there are many names you can come up with that can be close to religious names u wat i think, i think that Shinto is like a combination name for Johto and Sinnoh like Hiroshi stated earlier because it makes perfect sense when you look at the similarities between the Shinto ruins which are situated in Johto, and the Sinnoh story background, we can also note the relations between mnt coronet and mnt Silver, so this name shouldnt cause any fan reaction concerning its relation to religion (because it ISNT), and i say it again, i edited the first post with the explanation given by Hiroshi Sotomura whay the name of the ruins is not related to Shitoism to avoid religion clashing here.
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