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Jweeson June 20th, 2009 7:26 AM

Rumor has it...
 
I did hear a rumor that in Soul Silver you would be able to catch Groudon, and in Heart Gold you would be able to catch Kyogre. Maybe it's a way to get to them?

billi1000 June 20th, 2009 7:29 AM

no it most probably isnt since that doesnt concern an event, it seems they will be available at a certain point of the game, probably sometime after obtaining the national dex, so dont worry about that, u can get them with out obtaining the event arceus.

yaminokame June 20th, 2009 7:31 AM

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Originally Posted by >Feelings< (Post 4765849)
I know that. That's why I said that it is most likely that it will be renamed if it actually turns out to have any relation to the religion itself. All I said was that, even if they'd surely remove it then, I'd still want the name to remain the same as my opinion. Read before you post.




First of all, you can't stop anyone from assuming anything. We're not saying we're sure about the matter.
Second, yes, I saw that potential mistake, but I only said that the name "Shinto" was taken, not a reference to the religion itself.




I don't remember anyone directly saying that Shintoism is "involved".
Well, for my part what I meant is only the name was taken from the religion - to mean the words "Way of the Gods", not that it is emphasizing on the religion itself.

I was not talking directly to you. I was stating something in general and happened to quote what you had said. Where did I say stop assuming things? I stated that that particular assumption was wrong... of course people are going to make wrong assumptions, that doesn't mean that they can't change them... Many people all over (including different forums) have said that Shintoism is directly involved (going as far to say it is the ONLY relation to the name)and I was talking to everyone at the same time. None of that was intended to be directed solely at you, I'm sorry that it sounded that way. :(

Artemis June 20th, 2009 9:59 AM

Okay, I honestly think everyone is starting to think too hard on this situation. GameFreak wouldn't be able to withstand an outbreak from the fans concerning religious beliefs nor religious location. So, as much as it may mean something, it may not directly refer to it as such. So, some have speculated on the name and some have speculated on the meaning. However, as said, it is a little sad to see everyone narrow down such thoughts and go directly to the thought of religion rather than the name itself and not what it particularly means. If the ruins are situated upon the top of Mt. Silver, then that leads a connection to Sinnoh's Mt. Coronet giving the two locations a relation with Arceus. So, seeing as this is Johto and there is Sinnoh references, then simply put the two together and you reach the point of Shinto [Sinnoh and Johto placed together]. GameFreak didn't necessarily have to bring the name into to refer to the religion Shintoism, but just share the connection of the two regions. So, before making assumptions, refer to the different outcomes and facts to it before leading to only one thought and then place what you think. However, thinking straight to a religion wouldn't be the only meaning of it as there are other possibilities too [which I have stated here].

Åzurε June 20th, 2009 10:11 AM

-_- IMO, this is old news, and I'm surprised you're still talking about it. Surely, with information concerning a new area, involving Arceus of all things, we can find something to discuss that's not the pronunciation of the name. One comment, and I feel like I'm on the verge of a flame war. No one getting on my back for "you posted it in the 1st place", etc., please. I get it. Thank you. We're all rational people. though I still don't see the problem with calling it Shinto...

I know I'll sound a bit like I'm flipping out, But for those of you who read it that way, I'm not. Just a bit disappointed that one comment made his happen, and that one commenter was me.
Please to be getting on with topic?

billi1000 June 20th, 2009 11:26 AM

well if the people here want to prove further why its not related to shintoism, then let them continue. Further proof will be positive and will stop this idea of relating the name to religion, and its ok that one comment led to all this, this isnt an argument, these are just different oppinions and then we finally came to a conclusion which i posted in the 1st post and i hope it makes everything clear, and to continue with the topic i was wondering how the 2 ruins in the game are connected (not concerning there position but their inclusions, the Shinto Ruins and the Ruins of Alph, there has to be a connection if you had to bring Arceus to Ruins of Alph before going to Shinto Ruins, all i can spot is that both contain unown as they swarm Arceus when you chose your dragon. so anyone got anythin?

Artemis June 20th, 2009 11:34 AM

The connection between the Ruins of Alph and the Shinto Ruins is a good question. I would believe this is something such as comparing the Solaceon Ruins from Sinnoh to them as well. Like said, they both have the inclusion of Unowns, which have been noted to live in their own dimension such as Dialga, Palkia, Giratine, and Arceus themselves. So, with the relation to time and space, this could lead the strongest connection to the two ruins by itself. However, I'm sure the new ruins were added in just to give the players an extra journey to feat. I mean, activating the event by the Ruins of Alph can easily be similar to activating the three locations of the Regiis in RSE. It is basically a chained link that opens one door, but leads to the next. So, together the Ruins of Alph basically opens the door to the top of Mt. Silver, which shares the same connection to Arceus and the top of Mt. Coronet, and then it opens the Shinto Ruins for the players to enter. It is a good addition nevertheless and just gives more story to the entire line of it. Not to mention, including Cynthia and bringing birth to the dragon of your choice just adds to the originality of the beginning story with Arceus and the three legends back from DPPt.

Rich Boy Rob June 20th, 2009 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by billi1000 (Post 4766221)
I dont think a game can be used to synthesize on a religion because, first, that religious group will open a war with the producer of the game, second, i dont think any previous pokemon game had anything that related to religion, so why to do it now, besides, there are many names you can come up with that can be close to religious names u wat i think, i think that Shinto is like a combination name for Johto and Sinnoh like Hiroshi stated earlier because it makes perfect sense when you look at the similarities between the Shinto ruins which are situated in Johto, and the Sinnoh story background, we can also note the relations between mnt coronet and mnt Silver, so this name shouldnt cause any fan reaction concerning its relation to religion (because it ISNT), and i say it again, i edited the first post with the explanation given by Hiroshi Sotomura whay the name of the ruins is not related to Shitoism to avoid religion clashing here.

There was that giant, yet pointless, church in Hearthome city ;)

But anyway I swear on serebii it said that when you take Arceus to the Ruins of Alph you just get "taken" to the Shinto Ruins, so I'd doubt if there was anything other than that Temple there. Oh yeah and probably is high up Mt. Silver.

Circuit June 20th, 2009 1:28 PM

I think, that the ruins will be on top of Mt. Silver, reason being that, on the map, there isn't a drop of white anywhere else. There could well be an Ice Rock there, but it will probably house the magnetic field to evolve Nosepass and Magneton. However I'd like to know a bit more about the ruins of Alf and Shinto, and what is Shintoism?

TheAliveTrain June 20th, 2009 2:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Todoroki Is (Post 4759178)
http://archives.bulbagarden.net/w/upload/0/0c/JohtoII.png
http://archives.bulbagarden.net/w/upload/thumb/6/64/JohtoMap.png/800px-JohtoMap.png
Mount Silver always had snow. We just never saw. I think finally we will. It makes the most sense now then anywhere near the ruins.

Plus, on G/S/C we never had storyline on Mt. Silver. There we just had an optional Boss (Yes, in GSC you go there if you want).
This is a good event to be placed there, I think.

SDODC13 June 20th, 2009 2:15 PM

You know I never realised and it was puzzling me till now that the league in the new pick looks like its part way up Mt. Silver unlike in the ld pick its to the side.

billi1000 June 20th, 2009 2:17 PM

We ll be seeing alot more on mount silver, not on the Shinto Ruins, i think many inner routes have been added, and it may look kinda like mount coronet from the inside, like u need many HMs like rock climb and strength ... to get the very top were u reach your target, it gonna be a hell of a journey in that mountain, and i most certainly think that it ll contain a magnetic field to evolve magneton and nosepass, but for the ice rock i m not sure...

Oяiginal August 12th, 2009 7:00 AM

I remember reading somewhere it was in Ruins of Alph

kingofjokers August 12th, 2009 7:36 AM

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Originally Posted by billi1000 (Post 4759153)
By hasn't anyone considered the fact that the Shinto ruins might be located somewhere outside the johto and kanto regions, maybe the guy from the ruins of alph gives u a ticket of some sort to go by ship to this area , but if it were in johto, it must be in mount silver since it's the only area were there is snow. If there is a patch with snow in kanto due to some changes in the kanto map then it will be another thing entirely...

probably or they just expanded the originals ruins or you take the train we will just have to wait

zirico August 12th, 2009 7:39 AM

No the Ruins of Alph are different place, however they do apear to have something to do with it, because Gold can be seen with arceus near the Ruins.

yaminokame August 12th, 2009 8:15 AM

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Originally Posted by zirico (Post 4975417)
No the Ruins of Alph are different place, however they do apear to have something to do with it, because Gold can be seen with arceus near the Ruins.

You have to take Arceus to the Ruins of Alph to unlock the pathway to the Shinto Ruins (but the location of that is still at speculation :P)

Alucus_Of_Borg August 12th, 2009 1:24 PM

I will have to say that its most likely atop mount silver, but as far as any other stuff up there i highly doubt it, personally i think that it will be like the hall of origin in diamond pearl and platinum

lx_theo August 12th, 2009 1:51 PM

Well it has to be in a snowy place, which High up on Mt Silver could easily be.

Teapot Turret August 12th, 2009 2:20 PM

You don't need it at the top of the team. You just need it out as a partner Pokemon.

Llennoccm8 August 12th, 2009 4:34 PM

this kind of thing might be used in future games.

~*!*~Tatsujin Gosuto~*!*~ August 13th, 2009 6:41 AM

Maybe, there will be a deserted island that has the shinto ruins there



:t354:TG

Ellie August 13th, 2009 5:33 PM

Mt. Silver seems like a possibility. I wonder, though, if they'd place them before or after Red's location? (assuming he returns). There's still other places they could go though. If the Sevii Islands are brought back, they could easily go near the Tanoby Ruins, or they could go near the Ruins of Alph.

HeartGold95 August 13th, 2009 7:11 PM

Anaybody thinking around ice path or by mt.moon?

Sarcastic Prince August 14th, 2009 5:38 AM

So, Arceus creates life... awesome! For that Lv. 1 Legendary, I'm going to use Rare Candies and Cheat it to Lv. 100.


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