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Mumfie June 25th, 2009 5:42 AM

EV Training - Confused, need help.
 
Could anyone please tell me if I'm doing this right or wrong?

What I do when I EV-train is, I use the Counter App on the Poketch, and say I'm EV training for speed; I KO a Magikarp while holding Power Anklet, and I tally up 4 EVs for each Magikarp, until I get 252 Speed (which is my goal).
Does this mean that I need to KO 63 Magikarps (while holding Power Anklet) to get the max speed stat, 252?

Dawn's Hat June 25th, 2009 5:45 AM

Yes.

Filllleeeeeeeeeerrrrrrr

Mumfie June 25th, 2009 5:49 AM

Only two? I thought that whenever the holder of Power Anklet gains Speed effort from battle, it increases that effort by 4?

Edit; oh, you edited your post ..

Dawn's Hat June 25th, 2009 5:51 AM

Yeah, sorry. I realised after I posted that I was completely wrong.

Mumfie June 25th, 2009 5:53 AM

Oh, ok :p
But I just thought of something;
If the power-anklet adds +4 to the EV gain. Would KO'ing a Magikarp make 1+4=5, and not 4?

Dawn's Hat June 25th, 2009 5:55 AM

No, it's not +4. It's just 4, regardless of the Pokemon :)

EDIT: I'm wrong again. Ignore me from now on >.>

yaminokame June 25th, 2009 5:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mumfie (Post 4785927)
Could anyone please tell me if I'm doing this right or wrong?

What I do when I EV-train is, I use the Counter App on the Poketch, and say I'm EV training for speed; I KO a Magikarp while holding Power Anklet, and I tally up 4 EVs for each Magikarp, until I get 252 Speed (which is my goal).
Does this mean that I need to KO 63 Magikarps (while holding Power Anklet) to get the max speed stat, 252?

Actually, you would be adding. 4 for the Power Anklet and then 1 for Magikarp itself. Therefore you get 5 for each. Instead, you should knock out 50 of them holding Power Anklet, then 2 more not holding it. That will get you to 252 EV's in speed.

Magikarp = 1 speed EV
Power Anklet + Magikarp = 5 speed EV
Power Anklet + Magikarp + Pokerus = 10 speed EV

Tinhead Bruce June 25th, 2009 6:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dawn's Hat (Post 4785960)
No, it's not +4. It's just 4, regardless of the Pokemon :)

Ugh. No, it's not. It add 4 EVs in the given stat to the EVs you're already receiving. So yes, if you were fighting a Magikarp you would get 5 Speed EVs, not 4. So, say you're fighting a Venusaur. When you beat him, you would normally get 2 Sp. Attack EVs and 1 Sp. Defense EV. However, if you're holding the Power Lens, you'd gain 6 Sp. Attack EVs and 1 Sp. Defense EV. So, in your situation, with a Power Anklet while fighting Magikarps, you'd get 5 Speed EVs





EDIT: Well Christ almighty, beaten (sorta).

Mumfie June 25th, 2009 6:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by yaminokame (Post 4785966)
Actually, you would be adding. 4 for the Power Anklet and then 1 for Magikarp itself. Therefore you get 5 for each. Instead, you should knock out 50 of them holding Power Anklet, then 2 more not holding it. That will get you to 252 EV's in speed.

Magikarp = 1 speed EV
Power Anklet + Magikarp = 5 speed EV
Power Anklet + Magikarp + Pokerus = 10 speed EV

Thanks!

What happens if I KO for example 90 Magikarps? Would that ruin the whole process for the next stat that I will EV-train for the same pokémon?

What I try to say is, does the EV-train for each stat need to be accurate, or could I KO more than 50 + 2? (I know I can't KO less)

yaminokame June 25th, 2009 6:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jlizard27 (Post 4785985)
Ugh. No, it's not. It add 4 EVs in the given stat to the EVs you're already receiving. So yes, if you were fighting a Magikarp you would get Sp. Attack EVs, not 4. So, say you're fighting a Venusaur. When you beat him, you would normally get 2 Sp. Attack EVs and 1 Sp. Defense EV. However, if you're holding the Power Lens, you'd gain 6 Sp. Attack EVs and 1 Sp. Defense EV. So, in your situation, with a Power Anklet while fighting Magikarps, you'd get 4 Speed EVs, and 1 Sp. Attack EV.

But, I don't understand why you're fighting Magikarps at all when you're EV training Speed. Fight Starlys instead. They give 1 Speed EV, and nothing else. That way, you gain 5 Speed EVs per battle.



EDIT: Well Christ almighty, beaten (sorta).

Magikarp is speed ;)
http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-dp/129.shtml

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mumfie (Post 4785990)
Thanks!

What happens if I KO for example 90 Magikarps? Would that ruin the whole process for the next stat that I will EV-train for the same pokémon?

What I try to say is, does the EV-train for each stat need to be accurate, or could I KO more than 50 + 2? (I know I can't KO less)

You can get a total of 510 EV's in total. Only 255 can go to each stat, and count. Anywhere over 255 in one stat are essentially waste. It is best to make sure that you keep within the 255 limit if you're going for max so that you don't waste any :)

Tinhead Bruce June 25th, 2009 6:08 AM

You could technically, gaining 255 (the max.) EVs instead. However, if you did that, you couldn't use those extra 6 (4 basically) EVs leftover. This is assuming you're fully EV training in another stat as well.


EDIT: Hot damn, ^ poster is right. Reason I was 'fused was because I had been training on them with a poké that needed Sp. Attack and Speed at the time. Fudge.

Cyndahog June 25th, 2009 6:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mumfie (Post 4785990)
Thanks!

What happens if I KO for example 90 Magikarps? Would that ruin the whole process for the next stat that I will EV-train for the same pokémon?

What I try to say is, does the EV-train for each stat need to be accurate, or could I KO more than 50 + 2? (I know I can't KO less)

Nope. The maximum EV's you can put in ONE stat is 255, and to actually add to the total, you need multiples of 4. So the extra three are useless, and minus towards what you can put in other stats.

EDIT: ARGHHHH double beaten, I'm slow.

Mumfie June 25th, 2009 6:17 AM

Hm, so if I EV-train the Speed-stat ABOVE these 50 + 2 KO's, would these effort points then take from the 252 + 4 I have remaining EVs? Won't I be able to fully train another stat if I'm not accurate?

EDIT; I have just fought Magikarps with this pokemon, all the way from level one. So this Larvitar has ONLY gained speed-points. That's why I wonder if the other Stats would go to waste if I've EV-trainded the speed too much.


So sorry if I can't explain! Hope you understand :b

Tinhead Bruce June 25th, 2009 6:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mumfie (Post 4786016)
Hm, so if I EV-train the Speed-stat ABOVE these 50 + 2 KO's, then these effort points would take from the 252 + 4 I have remaining EVs? Won't I be able to fully train another stat if I'm not accurate?

So sorry if I can't explain! Hope you understand :b

No, you would still be able to fully EV train in another stat. Here, I can use numbers to show it better than words.


510 is max. total number of EVs, btw.

510=255+255 OR 252+252+4. Those 4 EVs could be going to another stat, instead of just wasting space in an already fully EV'd stat.

Mumfie June 25th, 2009 6:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jlizard27 (Post 4786029)
No, you would still be able to fully EV train in another stat. Here, I can use numbers to show it better than words.


510 is max. total number of EVs, btw.

510=255+255 OR 252+252+4. Those 4 EVs could be going to another stat, instead of just wasting space in an already fully EV'd stat.

Oh, ok. Good. I think I understand, finally! :p

You see, I was a little confused when I read this;

Quote:

Originally Posted by yaminokame (Post 4785993)
You can get a total of 510 EV's in total. Only 255 can go to each stat, and count. Anywhere over 255 in one stat are essentially waste. It is best to make sure that you keep within the 255 limit if you're going for max so that you don't waste any :)

That's why I thought I had to train ACCURATE Evs for each stat. I was a little worried beacause I've KO'ed more than 50 Magikarps..
But if I got this right, I've not wasted any points or done anything wrong, yet :p

So!

I want these stats; 6 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Speed.
Does that mean that I now could go on to train the Atk for this pokemon?

Tinhead Bruce June 25th, 2009 6:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mumfie (Post 4786046)
So!

I want these stats; 6 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Speed.
Does that mean that I now could go on to train the Atk for this pokemon?

Well... it depends. Do you know how many Speed EVs your poké has? Does it have 252?

Mumfie June 25th, 2009 6:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jlizard27 (Post 4786053)
Well... it depends. Do you know how many Speed EVs your poké has? Does it have 252?

I have KOed around 80 Magikarps, while holding Power-Anklet, so I assume it has 252?
Or..?

I'm newb :|

Tinhead Bruce June 25th, 2009 6:36 AM

No, it for sure has 255 Speed EVs. That means if you want those extra 4 EVs I talked about in another stat, you'll have to use the Tamato Berry to get rid of 10 Speed EVs and then fight to get 7 Speed EVs, to have 252.

yaminokame June 25th, 2009 6:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mumfie (Post 4786046)
Oh, ok. Good. I think I understand, finally! :p

You see, I was a little confused when I read this;



That's why I thought I had to train ACCURATE Evs for each stat. I was a little worried beacause I've KO'ed more than 50 Magikarps..
But if I got this right, I've not wasted any points or done anything wrong, yet :p

So!

I want these stats; 6 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Speed.
Does that mean that I now could go on to train the Atk for this pokemon?

You still do need to be accurate lol XD You can still go over 255, which would be wasting EV's. You can put one stat all the way up to 510, but only 255 of those would count. So as stated earlier, you need to put 252 in one, 252 in another and then do something with the additional 4, with 2 going to waste (If you want to fully do two) If you go over 255 by accident, you need to use berries to reduce them back down.

Can anyone confirm that it is 255 is max and no going over? Now I'm confused lol XD I thought 255 was just where they stopped counting but you could continue to 510 wasting :P

Mumfie June 25th, 2009 6:43 AM

O_o

Weeell.. Seems like I have to breed another Larvitar and start the training all over again? I dunno how manny berries I'll need to use to get it down to 252 ..
Eff, well it's my first try at EV-training so, haha.

Tinhead Bruce June 25th, 2009 6:45 AM

No, yaminokame is wrong. You can't go over 255 EVs in one stat. 510 is the total number of EVs you can have. Period. All you need to do is use one berry, and follow the directions I gave you above.

Mumfie June 25th, 2009 6:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by yaminokame (Post 4786066)
Can anyone confirm that it is 255 is max and no going over? Now I'm confused lol XD I thought 255 was just where they stopped counting but you could continue to 510 wasting :P

Yea, anyone?:p Haha, confusing indeed.

Edit; ooh, Jlizard27 confirmed the facts :)

Dawn's Hat June 25th, 2009 6:46 AM

Is it OK to AR some Rare Candies to get them to Level 100?

yaminokame June 25th, 2009 6:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jlizard27 (Post 4786084)
No, yaminokame is wrong. You can't go over 255 EVs in one stat. 510 is the total number of EVs you can have. Period. All you need to do is use one berry, and follow the directions I gave you above.

Are you sure? This is why I thought so:
Quote:

Originally Posted by Serebii.net
So now, in terms of pokemon you have to battle, let's say you want that Linoone to get its maximum speed. You would have to battle 255 Zubats to get the maximum speed value; EV training for any more Speed will become useless if you choose to continue after 255.


Tinhead Bruce June 25th, 2009 6:49 AM

Right, it will become useless. It will become useless because you no longer gain EVs in that certain stat.


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