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Ash wasn't a rookie during the Hoenn region. He made top 16 in both past league.
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I was referring to Ash's Pokemon in regards to that case.
And correction, he made top 8 in the Johto League. The only other time he made "top 16" besides the Kanto League was in the Whirl Cup.
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Fine they were "rookies" but they were train. And he always train before and after his gym battle. I agree that treecko, taillow and the rest was rookies were they were caught, but Ash give them time before he used them in battle. Look at back during the orbough(sp) gym battle. How long was it before the got there? Who evolve? Turtwig was already a strong Pokemon when Ash caught it, but it got some training, Ash taught it to dodge attacks, instead of being a tank. Staravia can't be consider a rookie when he fought Maylene because he is been with Ash for almost 60+ episodes. Gliscor didn't even sniff a Gym Battle until Byron and Candice. Buizel got training for both Ash and Dawn. Chimchar already got intense training from Paul If you think about it, during the Sinnoh, Ash gives time before using a Pokemon. See when Buizel stars/appear in 3 gym battles he was consider overused. Now he is in the sidelines, because Chimchar
are taking on the spotlight. Staravia/Staraptor got his chances. Gliscor is being involve some what.
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Maybe... However, that still doesn't mean they should beat the GLs so easily. Take Goku vs. Master Roshi, for example. He was taught a lot of things from him, and trained under him as well, yet even with most of that training, Master Roshi still beat him in the World Tournament.
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Once again, they're only rookies, when Ash caught them, and didn't sniff even one battle. How do "rookies" get ranked? by battling. Grovyle, Swellow and Corpish are beyond rookies. They were Ash major Pokemon during the Hoenn saga. The only rookies I'll be saying is Glalie.
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Honestly, you're pretty much biased in regards to Hoenn, since I seem to be the only one who actually saw the true flaws of that region (If Gym Leaders were truly experts in their field, why would they lose to rookie pokemon? And YES, They were rookies, seeing how they had no trainer battle experience prior to capture.)
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I'm a little bit biased because it's the first batch of Pokemons to get development. And yes I do get what your saying, but they aren't rookies forever. When Treecko evolve is he still a rookie? when taillow evolved he still a rookie?
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Well, Treecko would still have to get used to it's evolution, and it's evolving, regardless of power potential, is barely anything if fared against someone far more experienced than it (Which Norman's pokemon were). Remember how Sceptile actually had difficulty getting used to it's new evolution form? Same deal with Swellow.
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Grovyle and Swellow are Ash most exp. Hoenn Pokemon that evolve., calling them rookies if not right.
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Well, even still, they haven't really had a taste of veteranism until they've competed in at least one League, since that's all that truly matters to trainers. The only reason Gym Leaders exist are as stepping stones.
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the next tier goes to Corpish because he is the next Hoenn that been used a lot of times during the saga, so calling them rookies is not right, because they do gain some exp from the battle they partake, either they won or lost, they still grow from their battle.
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If that's the case, can you please explain why JJM are considered to be the most weak and pathetic trainers in the universe in both the fanbase's viewpoint AND the Anime? They suffered a lot of losses, and had been training for far longer than even Brock had mustered.
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Well we were arguing about the Sinnoh gym leader before, but I get the acknowledgement
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Thanks.
Oh, and BTW, there were several episodes that implied that Gym Leaders aren't strong (The conversation between Flint and Ash shortly after his loss against Brock implied that Brock was strong enough to face the Pokemon League, but he was lowering his potential to be a Gym Leader because of his younger siblings needing him, plus the fact that many of the GLs who became Elite 4 members and/or champions had to quit and journey around to hone their skills before they can attempt that.). Just FYI.