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kellogs June 30th, 2009 11:02 AM

They'll introduce whirlpool back but maybe have rockclimb as a TM for the sake of it.Defog could be put into use if they fog up the whirlpool islands,but i see the original G/S HM's all coming back ..

zirico June 30th, 2009 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by kellogs (Post 4807371)
They'll introduce whirlpool back but maybe have rockclimb as a TM for the sake of it.Defog could be put into use if they fog up the whirlpool islands,but i see the original G/S HM's all coming back ..

They can't do that because of compatibility issues. Why do people think that rock climb and Defog will be in the game, was Whirlpool or Dive used in any other game.

Guy June 30th, 2009 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by zirico (Post 4807359)
It's not really that hard, just keep the original HM's from GSC, flash cant be traded because it would be a HM, it would mean that rock climb and defog would only be obtainable through a move tutor or through DPPt but to be honest who really gives a dam about them anyway, its really not as complicated as some of you are making it.

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Originally Posted by kellogs (Post 4807371)
They'll introduce whirlpool back but maybe have rockclimb as a TM for the sake of it.Defog could be put into use if they fog up the whirlpool islands,but i see the original G/S HM's all coming back ..

Okay, like Hiroshi mentioned, the games won't be exactly a 1:1 ratio as the originals. There will be changes to the remakes other than just new features. Before when FRLG came out there wasn't as many changes within the Pokémon games, until DPPt came out. This is when things became more complex than what they were a few years ago. A lot of you say it isn't hard, but if you think about what you may say, such as make Rock Climb a TM, then you are making it more complex than it is.

For one, and I don't know how many times this has been stated before but HM Flash will not make a return, as DPPt has already made it TM for the games. Seeing as the remakes and DPPt are all compatible, this only reasons why Flash won't be brought back as an HM. Also, the idea of making Rock Climb a TM won't work because again, when it comes to trading in DPPt Rock Climb is known as an HM. So, if Rock Climb happens to not be brought in as an HM for the remakes, then it'll be available through a Move Tutor just like how Dive was made in DPPt.

Also, Whirlpool, this can easily be made an HM. There will be no trading so cross compatibility will not be a problem. However, Defog can easily replace HM Flash's position as it won't be difficult to replace the black cave areas to be filled with fog. Yes, it may be a useless move to teach a Pokémon, but it is used for the difficulty of obstacles within the game. As for the other HMs, it isn't hard to make Rock Smash more of a vital move than before and it isn't hard to accomplish the other HM's uses either. However, as it goes for Defog and Flash, it is simple enough to keep Flash a TM like in DPPt and still have little use of it; while all the less, it is still possible to replace the dark areas and fill it for fog to take use of the HM Defog. Nothing is ever complicated unless you break it down and look at all your options and what you know can and can't work.

zirico June 30th, 2009 12:30 PM

i fail to see why you quoted me, you basically agreed with what i said but then added that rock climb could be made a TM when it does not need to be. Flash is the only HM that may be changed in the remakes from the originals.

Guy June 30th, 2009 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by zirico (Post 4807720)
i fail to see why you quoted me, you basically agreed with what i said but then added that rock climb could be made a TM when it does not need to be. Flash is the only HM that may be changed in the remakes from the originals.

I only quoted you to show the difference in opinion. For instance, saying TM Flash will be kept just as it was in DPPt for the remakes is more than likely correct. As well as Rock Climb being available through a Move Tutor instead of the idea of it being a TM, which more than likely will not happen. So, yes you are right with the points you made I agreed, but I used it for clarification on my thought for the HMs and TMs such as Defog, Flash, and Rock Climb.

However, others do try to make the idea of it very complex when it really isn't when broken down; something I specified earlier before.

zirico June 30th, 2009 12:51 PM

Oh right, fair enough. I agree that people are making things too complex and complicated.

boost3r July 1st, 2009 1:55 AM

You guys have been talking about flash and defog,not to mention rockclimb too but what about WHIRLPOOL

dark_seeker July 1st, 2009 4:04 AM

for all you know there could be 10 hms :/ or even 9 while one gym could allow you to use 2 hms or after fighting the league can you use a hm?

Eggie Poo Poo July 1st, 2009 7:46 AM

I can 99.9% guarantee you that:

- Whirlpool will be in as a new HM
- Rock Climb, Defog and Dive will not be included in HG/SS
- Flash will go back to an HM.

Guy July 1st, 2009 8:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Eggie Poo Poo (Post 4810652)
I can 99.9% guarantee you that:

- Whirlpool will be in as a new HM
- Rock Climb, Defog and Dive will not be included in HG/SS
- Flash will go back to an HM.

I don't think any one can guarantee anything about the HM set up as nothing has been told. However, Flash becoming an HM, like said so many times will more than likely not happen. If you want to know why, it is only because DPPt made it a TM in their game play. So, because of Cross Compatibility and the option to trade held TMs, HGSS cannot have Flash as an HM. Therefore, it being a TM in these remakes is probably the best thing anyone can guarantee.

As for Defog, that will more than likely replace Flash's spot as being an HM. Seeing it is more of a field move rather than something to be used in battle, it won't be hard to replace darkness with a layer of thick fog. As for the idea on Rock Climb, it may happen if Game Freak simply adds in a few areas of higher levels. However, because HMs are not tradable items and DPPt have no coding for Whirlpool being a TM, I can see Rock Climb being replaced by HM Whirlpool for its need in the game. Other than this, I see no really basic changes as Hiroshi has gotten the basic idea laid down.

~*!*~Tatsujin Gosuto~*!*~ July 7th, 2009 10:14 AM

Whirlpool has to be in the game and has to be an HM because not that many Pokemon can actually learn the move or (I think its an TM and if not I'm wrong my bad) and you can't get that many Pokemon at the beginning to get that move. Whrilpool Islands needs the move whirlpool, thats how I see it


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Crocky July 7th, 2009 11:39 AM

This is what I think:
Whirlpool will replace the defog hm and Rock smash will replace the Rockclimb Hm.
flash is already a tm so it will stay like that and defog won't be in the game.


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