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vudw July 1st, 2009 11:12 AM

HeartGold and SoulSilver "Generation" Labeling
 
Browsing around over a massive (overexaggerated) span of time, including just a few moments ago, I came across an issue. Whether it could be just a problem to me because I'm human and I have trouble categorizing something, or many other people as well, I'm not sure; that's a part of this thread's purpose, as well as to get some opinions. Hopefully not some hasty and rash (same meaning... for emphasis!) words thrown in by someone with a view formed early on for how they view it (whether they know it or not. It happens...).

So, to the juice of the fruit (some fruit actually tastes good, people!), what exactly should we view as the "generation" of the new HeartGold and SoulSilver games?! Unlike FireRed and LeafGreen where the plotline could easily be tied to Generation I (with some added content and whatnot), the HG/SS contains not only the remake elements of Generation II (Johto), but even materials and events pertaining to the latest Generation IV (Sinnoh). With the more in depth combination than ever before in the Pokemon games, this becomes more than just your average Generation "X". Really, it could be time for a new "Generation" label altogether. Not that everything is or will be set in stone; there are people with preferences. In fact... that's where you come in.

I want to see you contribute your opinions and views to this [possibly overdramatic] matter [that happens to bug the crap out of me. Dang human elements of mine]. If possible, try to keep with some more meaningful posts (i.e. not just posting something super short with a simple comment attached). You don't come across people who like to view an opinion that doesn't pertain to them all the time you know; sorry if it sounds harsh or even over exaggerated (at least I mention the possibility). Also, if you just heard about HeartGold or SoulSilver and don't know much about it, read up on your facts at least a little first (assuming you JUST heard about it).

So, short and simple (didn't I just say something against that?): what generation label would you give to the HG/SS games and (without a lone/simple comment) why?
(If you find there is another way other than labeling "Generation 'X'", try sharing, but avoid shortness. An idea with inadequate thought put into it doesn't hold positive views unless others share those views. (Look at me sounding all controlling... I need some sleep.)
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Because all that mumbo jumbo up there shared my views in some strange semi-rant, I won't really give much reason (though there is reasoning).
I wouldn't call it just Generation II or Generation V; I would try to combine the two in someway. Maybe like that "Version" thing people use (i.e. Generation 2.1 (it starts as 2.0)), or something like that. Maybe even adding a prefix to Generation?

Yeah, seems like a lot of fuss over something so simple. It just bothers me, and ties in a bit with other conversations (depending). Chances are it bothers more than me, thus, this thread was spawned. I took it a bit huge, but better more than the norm than less than you can work with.



-- Sicarius Riuyoh

The Darkest Gale July 1st, 2009 11:20 AM

I would give it gen X because 5 in 1 generation =P i make my point

¡Chucho! July 1st, 2009 2:07 PM

Sinnoh takes place at the same time as Johto.
Hoenn takes place at the same time as Kanto.

Just call it generation 2.

Percy Thrillington July 1st, 2009 2:25 PM

Generations II and IV take place three years after Generation I, and no one's too sure where Generation III comes in, but I'll always regard HeartGold and SoulSilver as second generation games because that's what Gold and Silver were.

After all, you had Generation I Pokémon in Generation II, but that didn't mean it was called Generation I.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ¡Chucho! (Post 4812130)
Sinnoh takes place at the same time as Johto.
Hoenn takes place at the same time as Kanto.

Just call it generation 2.

Or we can read this post and realise how much more simple I could have made mine.

Oblivion Reaper 2.0 July 1st, 2009 2:59 PM

It's it Gen.4
just FR/LG was Gen.3

orange discontent July 1st, 2009 6:33 PM

If you really want to call it a new 'generation' you could try gen. 4.5 or something like that. A remake isn't really deserving of a new generation title.

derozio July 2nd, 2009 2:00 AM

In my opinion, HGSS will be a part of generation 4 as FR/LG were part of generation 3(Even though they had gen I's pokemon and were Red, Green's remakes). As HGSS are being made in the current gen IV(D/P/Pt) they should definitely be in gen IV.

Simple Explanation:
FR/LG--> remakes of gen I games----->Included in Gen III
Therefore:
HG/SS-->remakes of gen II games------>Included in Gen IV

Not anything difficult to understand actually, is it?

ReyRey-Pyon July 2nd, 2009 7:28 AM

Uhm wat?

Generation 4 since it's made in the same generation as dppt
GS is gen 2 and rgby is gen1 to me the remakes are the generation they are made in
Frlg = gen 3 ouo

Legobricks July 2nd, 2009 7:39 AM

It belongs in four because it has all the Pokemon up to this generation. It's not a second generation game if it has third and fourth generation Pokemon, hurr.

.little monster July 2nd, 2009 8:55 PM

Fourth, it has up to fourth generation Pokemon it, nothing more. So, obviously fourth.

Anxiety. July 5th, 2009 12:41 AM

Oh, uh...
I never really thought of it, it's always been generation two. I think it'll still be considederd generation two.

BakingBluePotatoe July 5th, 2009 10:03 PM

I just call it the "Generation 2 Remakes"

Just like I call FR/LG the "Generation 1 Remakes"

Mitchman July 6th, 2009 5:20 AM

Its a generation 4 generation 2 remake. So hard to understand?

kellogs July 6th, 2009 6:31 AM

They would simply be under remakes,not really a generation,an advance in the gaming, yes ,but no new pokes or region :)

POKéMIKE July 6th, 2009 7:22 AM

FireRed and LeafGreen are considered to be Generation III games, so HeartGold and SoulSilver will be Generation IV games.

I think the Generations are more to do with which device they're released for, and which game engine they're running.

Game Boy: Generation I
Game Boy Color: Generation II
Game Boy Advance: Generation III
Nintendo DS: Generation IV

Lusidea July 6th, 2009 7:56 AM

Generation goes by graphics...

Red, Blue and Yellow - Generation 1
Gold, Silver and Crystal - Generation 2
Ruby, Sapphire, Emerald, Fire Red and Leaf Green - Generation 3
Pearl, Diamond, Platinum, Heart Gold and Soul Silver - Generation 4

Sebastien Loeb July 6th, 2009 8:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hiroshi Sotomura (Post 4823561)
No need to shove it so sharply. Looks more like this is an opinion gathering. :\

To be honest I'd just group it by the Pokémon and the console generation. FireRed and LeafGreen by this logic could be considered to be 3rd generation games since they can connect with Ruby/Sapphire (Advance Generation games). You can get a Wynaut in the game and trade other 3rd generation Pokémon as well. This logic can be reapplied with HeartGold and SoulSilver, I'd say.

Also to the one who said "Hoenn takes place at the same time as Kanto." needs to get some proof. The story in Diamond, Pearl and Platinum clearly reference the events occurring in Johto, but there's nothing concrete about Hoenn and Kanto.

I am perfectly agree with your point of view, even if according to me Pokémon Heart Gold and Soul Silver will be never to the level of the original ones.

Ryanniny July 6th, 2009 9:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by orange discontent (Post 4812767)
If you really want to call it a new 'generation' you could try gen. 4.5 or something like that. A remake isn't really deserving of a new generation title.

i completely agree
i see FR/LG as gen 3 because they didnt introduce anything new at all (or barely anything ;))
whereas HG/SS are introducing loads of new things, like the pokemon following you, so i personally feel its a generation 4.5
either that or generation 4 if you dont like the .5 ;)

JP July 6th, 2009 12:43 PM

As others have said, I also see HGSS as generation 4 games. Same as FRLG were generation 3 games because they were released on the same console as RSE.

I guess I also see it as a console thing.

Rich Boy Rob July 7th, 2009 8:34 AM

I'd say Gen IV because in my eyes a new console is new generation, for instance:
Game Boy - RBY - Gen I
Game Boy Colour - GSC - Gen II
Game Boy Advance - RSE & FRLG - Gen III
Nintendo DS - DPPt & HGS - Gen IV
Next Handheld - Next Set Of Games - Gen V

Chary July 15th, 2009 7:47 PM

For me I say this is Generation 4-Why? because HGSS are remakes but there are new things to explore, the sinnoh pokemon are updated for it,notched ear pichu or Arceus were in the original plot, so I say Heart Gold and Soul Silver are the same games,just with some plot twists = Gen. 4 Remake of 2
This is just my opinion though...

Åzurε July 15th, 2009 10:16 PM

Pokemon Generations are defined by large releases of new species and new systems, yes? That's how it's worked so far. Quick Recap:
GB- Red, Blue, (Green,) Yellow- 151 Pokemon: Gen1
GBC-Gold, Silver, Crystal- 251 Pokemon: Gen2
GBA- Ruby, Sapphire, Emerald, FireRed, LeafGreen- 386 Pokemon: Gen3
NDS- Diamond, Pearl, Platinum, HeartGold, SoulSilver- 493 Pokemon: Gen4

In short: Gen4, kthx. ;)

Red July 16th, 2009 12:33 AM

I agree with everyone who answered along the lines of: the generation number is the console generation.
Basically:
Handheld Generations
Generation I - Red, Blue, Green (JP), Yellow
Generation II - Gold, Silver, Crystal
Generation III - Ruby, Sapphire, Emerald, FireRed, LeafGreen
Generation IV - Diamond, Pearl, Platinum, HeartGold, SoulSilver

I suppose, a new generation only comes along when a new engine and graphics are made for the game which usually also involves movement to another console. (Though, Pokémon Yellow was a Game Boy Color game, but still fits in the first generation.)

Banjora Marxvile July 16th, 2009 12:37 AM

Yellow wasn't a GBC game. It was still a GB game, only Crystal was a proper GBC game.

I'd still say Gen 4. Depends on the Amount of Pokemon in the National Dex to me.

Gen 1 = 151
Gen 2 = 251
Gen 3 = 386
Gen 4 = 493

Red July 16th, 2009 12:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Banjora Marxvile (Post 4862712)
Yellow wasn't a GBC game.

Yellow had full-color graphics. So, it was in fact for the Game Boy Color system.

Mana July 16th, 2009 3:06 AM

Hmm, I understand your POV, its the Generation 2 storyline but using Generation 4 mechanics. I quite like the idea of it being Gen 2.1 XD.

Quote:

Sinnoh takes place at the same time as Johto.
Hoenn takes place at the same time as Kanto.

Just call it generation 2.
Using the above theory then Sinnoh is Generation 2 as well :P

Generation is used to describe when the game is released and the features it displays (and - so far - which platform), no when they take place, that's irrelevant.

mewunlimited July 16th, 2009 4:25 AM

GENERATION (pokemon) :A new era or phase that brings a revolutional change to previous pokemon installments and features a new set of pokemon of its own that are added to the national dex. It often starts off the next set of pokemon games on a new console.

therefore, by my thesis (which happens to be popular thought), HGSS are GenIV.

Gary, the Magic Fairy July 16th, 2009 10:13 AM

2 + 4 = 6? :D

Seriously, though, I'd consider them 4. I do like the sound of 2.1, though.

Mitchman July 16th, 2009 10:17 AM

The more I am thinking about it the more this seems 4.5. I mean the pokethlon the new menu interface and the fact that notchie is an hgss exclusive not even tradable makes me think so.

AlphaMightyena July 16th, 2009 11:05 AM

it is gen 4. just like platinum had it's remakes it's still in the new gen.

the only time when it's a new gen. is if it has 150 new pokemon, moves and a unknown land.


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