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HeartGold and SoulSilver "Generation" Labeling
Browsing around over a massive (overexaggerated) span of time, including just a few moments ago, I came across an issue. Whether it could be just a problem to me because I'm human and I have trouble categorizing something, or many other people as well, I'm not sure; that's a part of this thread's purpose, as well as to get some opinions. Hopefully not some hasty and rash (same meaning... for emphasis!) words thrown in by someone with a view formed early on for how they view it (whether they know it or not. It happens...).
So, to the juice of the fruit (some fruit actually tastes good, people!), what exactly should we view as the "generation" of the new HeartGold and SoulSilver games?! Unlike FireRed and LeafGreen where the plotline could easily be tied to Generation I (with some added content and whatnot), the HG/SS contains not only the remake elements of Generation II (Johto), but even materials and events pertaining to the latest Generation IV (Sinnoh). With the more in depth combination than ever before in the Pokemon games, this becomes more than just your average Generation "X". Really, it could be time for a new "Generation" label altogether. Not that everything is or will be set in stone; there are people with preferences. In fact... that's where you come in. I want to see you contribute your opinions and views to this [possibly overdramatic] matter [that happens to bug the crap out of me. Dang human elements of mine]. If possible, try to keep with some more meaningful posts (i.e. not just posting something super short with a simple comment attached). You don't come across people who like to view an opinion that doesn't pertain to them all the time you know; sorry if it sounds harsh or even over exaggerated (at least I mention the possibility). Also, if you just heard about HeartGold or SoulSilver and don't know much about it, read up on your facts at least a little first (assuming you JUST heard about it). So, short and simple (didn't I just say something against that?): what generation label would you give to the HG/SS games and (without a lone/simple comment) why? (If you find there is another way other than labeling "Generation 'X'", try sharing, but avoid shortness. An idea with inadequate thought put into it doesn't hold positive views unless others share those views. (Look at me sounding all controlling... I need some sleep.)) ____________________ Because all that mumbo jumbo up there shared my views in some strange semi-rant, I won't really give much reason (though there is reasoning). I wouldn't call it just Generation II or Generation V; I would try to combine the two in someway. Maybe like that "Version" thing people use (i.e. Generation 2.1 (it starts as 2.0)), or something like that. Maybe even adding a prefix to Generation? Yeah, seems like a lot of fuss over something so simple. It just bothers me, and ties in a bit with other conversations (depending). Chances are it bothers more than me, thus, this thread was spawned. I took it a bit huge, but better more than the norm than less than you can work with. -- Sicarius Riuyoh |
I would give it gen X because 5 in 1 generation =P i make my point
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Sinnoh takes place at the same time as Johto.
Hoenn takes place at the same time as Kanto. Just call it generation 2. |
Generations II and IV take place three years after Generation I, and no one's too sure where Generation III comes in, but I'll always regard HeartGold and SoulSilver as second generation games because that's what Gold and Silver were.
After all, you had Generation I Pokémon in Generation II, but that didn't mean it was called Generation I. Quote:
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It's it Gen.4
just FR/LG was Gen.3 |
If you really want to call it a new 'generation' you could try gen. 4.5 or something like that. A remake isn't really deserving of a new generation title.
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In my opinion, HGSS will be a part of generation 4 as FR/LG were part of generation 3(Even though they had gen I's pokemon and were Red, Green's remakes). As HGSS are being made in the current gen IV(D/P/Pt) they should definitely be in gen IV.
Simple Explanation: FR/LG--> remakes of gen I games----->Included in Gen III Therefore: HG/SS-->remakes of gen II games------>Included in Gen IV Not anything difficult to understand actually, is it? |
Uhm wat?
Generation 4 since it's made in the same generation as dppt GS is gen 2 and rgby is gen1 to me the remakes are the generation they are made in Frlg = gen 3 ouo |
It belongs in four because it has all the Pokemon up to this generation. It's not a second generation game if it has third and fourth generation Pokemon, hurr.
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Fourth, it has up to fourth generation Pokemon it, nothing more. So, obviously fourth.
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Oh, uh...
I never really thought of it, it's always been generation two. I think it'll still be considederd generation two. |
I just call it the "Generation 2 Remakes"
Just like I call FR/LG the "Generation 1 Remakes" |
Its a generation 4 generation 2 remake. So hard to understand?
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They would simply be under remakes,not really a generation,an advance in the gaming, yes ,but no new pokes or region :)
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FireRed and LeafGreen are considered to be Generation III games, so HeartGold and SoulSilver will be Generation IV games.
I think the Generations are more to do with which device they're released for, and which game engine they're running. Game Boy: Generation I Game Boy Color: Generation II Game Boy Advance: Generation III Nintendo DS: Generation IV |
Generation goes by graphics...
Red, Blue and Yellow - Generation 1 Gold, Silver and Crystal - Generation 2 Ruby, Sapphire, Emerald, Fire Red and Leaf Green - Generation 3 Pearl, Diamond, Platinum, Heart Gold and Soul Silver - Generation 4 |
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i see FR/LG as gen 3 because they didnt introduce anything new at all (or barely anything ;)) whereas HG/SS are introducing loads of new things, like the pokemon following you, so i personally feel its a generation 4.5 either that or generation 4 if you dont like the .5 ;) |
As others have said, I also see HGSS as generation 4 games. Same as FRLG were generation 3 games because they were released on the same console as RSE.
I guess I also see it as a console thing. |
I'd say Gen IV because in my eyes a new console is new generation, for instance:
Game Boy - RBY - Gen I Game Boy Colour - GSC - Gen II Game Boy Advance - RSE & FRLG - Gen III Nintendo DS - DPPt & HGS - Gen IV Next Handheld - Next Set Of Games - Gen V |
For me I say this is Generation 4-Why? because HGSS are remakes but there are new things to explore, the sinnoh pokemon are updated for it,notched ear pichu or Arceus were in the original plot, so I say Heart Gold and Soul Silver are the same games,just with some plot twists = Gen. 4 Remake of 2
This is just my opinion though... |
Pokemon Generations are defined by large releases of new species and new systems, yes? That's how it's worked so far. Quick Recap:
GB- Red, Blue, (Green,) Yellow- 151 Pokemon: Gen1 GBC-Gold, Silver, Crystal- 251 Pokemon: Gen2 GBA- Ruby, Sapphire, Emerald, FireRed, LeafGreen- 386 Pokemon: Gen3 NDS- Diamond, Pearl, Platinum, HeartGold, SoulSilver- 493 Pokemon: Gen4 In short: Gen4, kthx. ;) |
I agree with everyone who answered along the lines of: the generation number is the console generation.
Basically: Handheld Generations Generation I - Red, Blue, Green (JP), Yellow Generation II - Gold, Silver, Crystal Generation III - Ruby, Sapphire, Emerald, FireRed, LeafGreen Generation IV - Diamond, Pearl, Platinum, HeartGold, SoulSilver I suppose, a new generation only comes along when a new engine and graphics are made for the game which usually also involves movement to another console. (Though, Pokémon Yellow was a Game Boy Color game, but still fits in the first generation.) |
Yellow wasn't a GBC game. It was still a GB game, only Crystal was a proper GBC game.
I'd still say Gen 4. Depends on the Amount of Pokemon in the National Dex to me. Gen 1 = 151 Gen 2 = 251 Gen 3 = 386 Gen 4 = 493 |
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Hmm, I understand your POV, its the Generation 2 storyline but using Generation 4 mechanics. I quite like the idea of it being Gen 2.1 XD.
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Generation is used to describe when the game is released and the features it displays (and - so far - which platform), no when they take place, that's irrelevant. |
GENERATION (pokemon) :A new era or phase that brings a revolutional change to previous pokemon installments and features a new set of pokemon of its own that are added to the national dex. It often starts off the next set of pokemon games on a new console.
therefore, by my thesis (which happens to be popular thought), HGSS are GenIV. |
2 + 4 = 6? :D
Seriously, though, I'd consider them 4. I do like the sound of 2.1, though. |
The more I am thinking about it the more this seems 4.5. I mean the pokethlon the new menu interface and the fact that notchie is an hgss exclusive not even tradable makes me think so.
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it is gen 4. just like platinum had it's remakes it's still in the new gen.
the only time when it's a new gen. is if it has 150 new pokemon, moves and a unknown land. |
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