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skrull July 2nd, 2009 5:34 AM

Is it me or does it seem like the trainers in the battle tower cheat
 
I been going though the battle tower trying to get some items and just resently i have noticed that she trainers inside the tower seemed to be prepared for me. An example i have is a was using my sand storm team in a double battle trying to get some points, but when i started i notice all the trainers had eather a gound or still poke in there team. ALL od the trainers did this takign out the effectiveness of sand storm. I was wondering if this has happend to anyone else of if its just me

Ayselipera July 2nd, 2009 7:13 AM

I think this depends on what level you are in the battle tower. Example would be the first round of 7 trainers have small fast pokemon while the next round is holding items for a boost. You may be on the third level which is strategic combos. So their would be more pokemon with weather type moves like sandstorm, hail, etc. So if there are pokemon with weather moves they will be a type that counters those moves. Example Steelix using sandstorm or Snover using Hail.

MissDiVa July 2nd, 2009 8:56 AM

they sure do cheat

Using Wobbuffet is the biggest cheat, He never dies with one hit and he always kills my pokemons with mirror coat or counter. I was almost to the Battle hall brain.
A person sends out a wobbuffet, and it kills my gallade with one hit.

Vyro July 2nd, 2009 9:08 AM

No... not really. It's impossible to cheat in pokemon without an action replay or some other cheating device.


They're not cheaters. They just have better strategies.

skrull July 2nd, 2009 1:29 PM

thats the thing they cheat off of me. if i use tyranitar to whip up a sand storm then all 7 of my oppents will have ground and steel pokes. but if i do not have tyranitar then there pokes are different

Pocchama01 July 2nd, 2009 2:06 PM

I think that the only cheaters in the battle frontier are magmars <_< Seriously, every magmar I fight is somehow faster than my garchomp and one magmar even dodged 3 earthquakes in a row without using any evasion raising/accuracy lowering moves....

skrull July 2nd, 2009 5:37 PM

its true then they will have like a lv 50 kaboto that is super fast and knows protect that seems to work every time

Skullking17 July 2nd, 2009 7:52 PM

I think they cheat when ever I feel like setting out some toxic spikes all there pokemon are mostly flying or poison

skrull July 2nd, 2009 7:59 PM

i know. it makes me so angry

Star★Seeker July 2nd, 2009 8:10 PM

You guys are reffereing to hax. In other words dumb luck. It's the very nature of the BF. You're low acc attacks miss, their's hit. Their status inducing attack works, yours fail. It's really annoying, you feel like you're winning, and then, boom! You're streak collapses beacuse the enemy luckily avoided your attack/flinched your Pokemon then attacked with a strong attack.

.little monster July 2nd, 2009 9:01 PM

Yes, but they always have.

My attack misses.
Their attack gets a critical hit.

Cycle continues 5 times even though my attack has 95% accuracy. I loose. Thanks. :|

BeachBoy July 2nd, 2009 9:21 PM

They don't grab Pocket Monster specifically out of thin air to beat you, each trainer is given a select pool of Pocket Monsters. If you face a police officer Hugh, you're going to encounter fighting and steel-types, like it or not. So when you faced a trainer with ground and steel-types, you faced a theme trainer designed to carry that pool of Pocket Monsters. It's on you that you weren't prepared for such, to be frank.

Not to mention Platinum now has an explosion of move tutors at its disposal of Pocket Monsters. Their movesets are set in stone as well, and they were built to execute against a variety of types and Pocket Monsters. It's why one of Platinum's Blastiose has Signal Beam, to have a chance against grass-types. You can't help things set in stone that you can't alter.

Regardless, find a way a to cope with it and exploit the weaknesses the Frontier/tower (aka no switching) has and their "cheating" won't be much of a factor. Over-caution is never a bad thing in the Frontier, and it's one reason why I'm succeeding.

Quote:

Originally Posted by skrull
its true then they will have like a lv 50 kaboto that is super fast and knows protect that seems to work every time

By speed if you referring to outrageous stats, they aren't unfair, they're just like yours. So it's fair in that regard. You're probably thinking about the priority of aqua jet and protect, that's why it's "fast." Protect working numerous turns? Then why don't you have a stat-upping move to take advantage of such?

That's the kind of thinking I'm talking about, the BT isn't impossible, there are weaknesses and you can succeed, even if they've got luck on their side.

~*!*~Tatsujin Gosuto~*!*~ July 4th, 2009 1:07 PM

I feel that they cheat when my moves always miss and their non perfect accuracy attacks always hit me (not FAIR >:o)


:t354:TG

Kudra July 4th, 2009 1:57 PM

The only thing about battle tower that bothers me is when i get an extreme amount of hax. Things like sheer cold hitting twice in a row, focus band and quick claw activating almost every turn, critical hits hitting me at the perfect time, and my moves missing half the time after only one double team. The thing you have to keep in mind that it's not going to be fair on you and you have to be prepared with things like pokemon with sturdy and moves that never miss and just generally use good strategy.

Calvo819 July 4th, 2009 10:16 PM

hell yeah they cheat. Ice Beamed a Salamence THREE TIMES. i get hit by thunderbolt and DIE.

weavile vs salamence :(

11wildy July 5th, 2009 6:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Calvo819 (Post 4818509)
hell yeah they cheat. Ice Beamed a Salamence THREE TIMES. i get hit by thunderbolt and DIE.

weavile vs salamence :(

Is your Weavile EV trained? Maybe the Salamence has Yache berry attached, 252 Sp Def and Sp atk EVs.

Scarface July 5th, 2009 6:21 AM

It's simple psychology. I feel they cheat, but I know they don't, because The only reason it seems like it is because I wasn't prepared for their strategy, therefore I am the lesser trainer and deserve to lose.

Glaceon_ July 5th, 2009 8:14 AM

All of the Frontier locations are based on luck. Its luck that you go up against an opponent with Pokemon you're strong against, its luck that your opponents items don't activate and its luck that you get as far as you do.

I personally haven't been any further than the high 40's when it comes to a winning streak in the Battle Tower, (always faltering before I get to Palmer again) and the last time that happened was against a luck-sacking Medicham with a Focus Band. It survived on it and killed off my last-remaining Pokemon.

I see people saying "I wasn't prepared for their strategy," but when it boils down to it, you aren't going to be prepared for any kind of strategy, unless its the Tower Tycoon's... and anyway, as has been mentioned, the tower and frankly any kind of Battle Frontier facility is based on luck, or in most cases, (at higher streak lengths) lack thereof for the player.

Aero Shock July 5th, 2009 11:10 AM

All the info of what the other people said. Plus I think its how many Trainer card-stars and all that stuff that makes it even harder? Not sure but thats what i think.

bearsfan092 July 5th, 2009 11:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Calvo819 (Post 4818509)
hell yeah they cheat. Ice Beamed a Salamence THREE TIMES. i get hit by thunderbolt and DIE.

weavile vs salamence :(

Well, it's your fault for using Ice Beam on Weavile anyway. Use Ice Shard or Ice Punch instead and use Weavile's high attack rather than its crappy special attack.

Anyways, it's common knowledge that the Battle Tower and Frontier have an adjusted "hax" ratio. Battling in the BT is not like any other battling. It's imperative you have counters for specific strategies (OHKO moves, Double Team, and other techniques abused by the AI).

NatureKeeper July 6th, 2009 1:14 AM

They are made exculsively to make you train on a nice strategy, I think.

Wings Don't Cry July 6th, 2009 2:26 AM

It's so dry this one guy had that berry that raises speed on his pinsir and it used guillotine and hit all my pokemon without missing

Ray Maverick July 6th, 2009 2:55 AM

Yeah,i think they cheat.Not only with types,with pokemon stats,their pokemon are extremely powerful.

It happened to me too.I took my fire team,and all the 7 trainers had water-rock-ground pokemon. 0.0

BeachBoy July 6th, 2009 3:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Glaceon_ (Post 4819827)
and its luck that you get as far as you do.

Okay, so, when I get in the 100+ range multiple times, it's just luck that I got that far? Ya'know, that completely goes against the hours and hours of research and insanity I go through to create teams that could care less about luck or the abusive strategies about to be thrown at me.

You say one can't be prepared for their strategy... but, you can perfect your strategy on the weakness of the frontier settings overall, not just one trainer. The Battle Frontier doesn't switch (unless Perish Song or U-turn are around) hence why Yawn (one of my specialties), choice scarf-trick, destiny bond, and toxic-stall are so outrageously effective.

I got to 164 in the DP battle tower, how did I lose? I misplayed a Raikou (should've yawned off the bat), want to call my ability and skill to get that high "luck"? I'm in the Battle Arcade, at the moment, 161, how? Yawn and my team solidified around minimizing any effects by the game board, is that streak also luck? There are reasons why the same people get high streaks over and over again, luck rarely has anything to do with such continued success. Intense dedication and research to destroying the Battle Tower/Frontiers apparent weaknesses doesn't have much to do with luck.

The only location based on luck more than the others, I'd say, would be the Factory, since you don't have as much power and ability to win as you do in the Castle, Tower, etc.

beauty. proletariat July 6th, 2009 3:26 AM

The whole frontier is based on luck, and strategy.

But the thing is, a good strategy will never fail.

Having a better strategy and covering these "Hax" is the best way to deal with it.

E.g. Thought about having a support in your team even though theres a limit of three pokemon?

Tinhead Bruce July 6th, 2009 5:54 AM

Well shoot, everything was looking good for me to post until Ryan showed up. -.-

Yeah, they're prepared for you. That's the whole point. As you get further up into the Battle Tower into higher streak, the trainers get better AI, and they start being able to predict. The whole idea of the Battle Tower is that they're going to have type-trumping pokémon, and you're going to have to find a way to defeat them anyways. Isn't that what makes Pokémon fun in the first place, and what people have been begging for? A challenge?

Calvo819 July 6th, 2009 7:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 11wildy (Post 4819401)
Is your Weavile EV trained? Maybe the Salamence has Yache berry attached, 252 Sp Def and Sp atk EVs.

a little. it has somewhat decent Special

Quote:

Originally Posted by bearsfan092 (Post 4820349)
Well, it's your fault for using Ice Beam on Weavile anyway. Use Ice Shard or Ice Punch instead and use Weavile's high attack rather than its crappy special attack.

Ah, i kinda figured the STAB would help lolololol

/facepalm

NatureKeeper July 6th, 2009 9:07 AM

I usually use the trio of the lake with my empoleon.

Pokestick, good times. July 8th, 2009 12:52 PM

Hmm. The trainers cheat. I mean, not really cheat, but they can predict what Pokémon you're using, and you can't... Hey! That IS cheatin'! We should boycott Battle Tower! Who's with me??

*silence*

Ah, well... Yea, they're impossible after a while, I agree, those friggen trainers!!

salmence33 July 8th, 2009 4:52 PM

quote from my 47th battle in battle tower:

go empoleon

foe threw out infirnape
infinape used earthquake
critical hit! its super effective!0_o
empoleon fainted

go dragonite

dragonite used dragon rush, attack missed
foe's infirnape used thunder punch
(next turn)
bring!(foe's quick claw)
infirnape used thunder punch
critical hit!

dragonite fainted

Me:****

go charizard

infirnape used thunder punch
super effective!
charizard fainted

I hate that

skrull July 8th, 2009 5:53 PM

more and more people are seeing what i'm talking about. I feel all of your pain, but thinking about it they have to do that or it would be to easy to get the power items

Fallujah July 8th, 2009 6:31 PM

Sometimes I get pretty mad at the frontier. I was in the battle hall w/ my Gengar, 10th stage dark battle. Gengar Vs. Sharpedo
Gengar use Thunderbolt! It's Super Effective! (Whoo!)
Sharpedo held on with a Focus Band (Aw crap)
Sharpedo use crunch!
Gengar fainted (Son of a....)


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