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You do know about Kyogre/Groudon, right?
So I haven't seen anyone talking about this at all. :/ Kyogre and Groudon will be catchable in this game and no one has even mentioned it. D: *gasp*!
Well, not much info has been revealed, but Kyogre is HeartGold exclusive, while Groudon is SoulSilver exclusive. After obtaining both, Rayquaza becomes available. Might this hint at Hoenn actually getting into the game? Or might there be a separate set of events that lead to these legendary beings? Source - http://www.pokemon.co.jp/special/hgss/pokemon/02.html EDIT: Since recently, we now know that they are catchable in a cave (no Hoenn), all at level 50. |
Yep, I knew. I think there may be references to Hoenn, but only that. I wish Kyogre would be in SS...
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There is a speculation thread for a reason. And seeing as how little info there is we can't really say anything. And Kanto is in why need a 3rd region.
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A 3rd region would be nice because it could extend the life of the game. :/ Plus, Hoenn would be the only one left out of the DS generation since Kanto is coming back.
I highly doubt that there will be Hoenn, but I gotta hope since it was my favorite region. And I do know about the speculation thread, but this isn't a speculation, is it? It's basically confirmed by the official site. :/ |
Yes it is. Its speculating on where they will appear how and such.
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xD I'm sorry then. I forgot I put those...I always end the main posts with questions to spark discussion. When a mod/super mod/ect gets on, they'll probably merge it. It's no big deal anyway. :/
But I'm honestly glad that Kyogre is with HeartGold, since it's the one I'm getting. Kyogre is one of my favorites, so yay! |
I am getting soulsilver with groudon. Possibly the best legends for a game really. Lugia and Groudon in one package with Ho-oh later on. Lovely.
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Has anyone already known this?
This is from Play-Asia's pre-order section: "Pokemon Heart Gold is a remake of Pokemon Gold, a game which first came out in 2,000. It includes revamped graphics, various new Pokemon, and new forms of previously existing Pokemon. The game also offers a special challenge after the main story is completed, in which the main character travels to the Hoenn region to catch one of two titans that fought 3 years earlier. New characters include Lunah, the Dark type gym leader of Hoenn, and Sakura, the gardening enthusiast. Supports wi-fi connection and comes with a pedometer." :3 |
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It's a nice thought though, hmm? :3
Hoenn region, three years passed... |
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EDIT: Yeah, as they said, probably fake. |
Well that's interesting to say the least.
I happen to like the idea of Hoenn being explored again.... but if this website is giving us a heap of bologna, it'd be too bad. |
Ugh they are for Christ's sake. As i stated anyone can edit it and whoever did, did a bad job. Its full of holes like I explained.
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Kay. 100% major proof that you, sir, are correct. :3
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Interesting. I actually hadn't known about this and was pleasently surprised. Thank you for informing me.
I really hope that both Kanto and Hoenn both make it. Kanto is a given when you look at the map, but Hoenn would be awesome also. I mean seeing both Kanto and Hoenn in the new style on the DS? Simply fantastic. |
If a RBG remake were done, and then a GS one, then there should be a RS soon enough. Therefore Hoenn will be explored later anyways. The only reason Kantoh was in HGSS was that it was in GS. And Hoenn weren't, was it?
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when does both these games come out? cause i would get soul silver if its the remake of the johto region
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Actually everyone has been talking about it, it just didn't have its own thread. And there is plenty of information. After you beat the E4 and defeat all the Kanto leaders Professor Birch shows up at Professor Elm's lab and tells you that a legendary Pokemon from his region of Hoenn has appeared in Johto. This was in that CoroCoro mag about two months ago. So Hoenn isn't going to be in the game, a pity as it may be.
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It seems they skip a system. GB went to GBA. GBC went to DS. GBA went to ???. |
Oops! Sorry, I misread your post. Yea, that's probably it.
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I did know about this, but I'm not too excited.
I never really use legendaries although I wish Kyorge was on ss since I like it more and thats the game I'm getting first. Anyways I thought they were just putting Kyorge and Groudon in HG/SS because R/S/E are the only games so far that aren't for the Ds (thats if you want to count kanto in HG/SS.) Still, Ho-oh and Lugia were in R/S/E as events so it makes sense that Kyorge and Groudon are in HG/SS. Although I'm not sure if they're going to be event pokemon or not? |
I like how they silhouetted the Pokemon >> Way to be subtle?
It wouldn't really make much sense for Kyogre/Groudon to be event Pokemon IMO. They're already available in large quantities, so that kinda defeats the purpose. |
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And they're only in high quantities to people who have access to Wi-fi, and not everyone does. :/ |
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But you are right, not confirmed and it is just crazy to say otherwise. |
It would be nice to meet Prof birch in a non-RSE-game for the first time... I hope it will happen. Although... When I think about it, they (Groudon and Kyogre) doesn't really seem like the kind of Pokémon that just moves to a different region just like that, legendary bird-style... But well atleast theyre there.
And yess 50 posts! (i've actually done alot more posts than that, but meh) And hey, wouldn't it be fun if Groudon/Kyogre were roamin' too! |
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What if they covered them because they are shiny or in some new color?
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I also heard that they will be roaming through the whole region after you've beaten the Elite 4 and the Champion. I think like Entei, Raikou and Suicune. But i don't know if that's true. |
We're probably getting a Hoenn remake after 5 years, since we got an RBY remake 9 years after the original games were released, and the same timespan after the GSC series was released. So we'll probably get an RSE remake after 6 years.
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Wait. If these two are going to be in, does anyone think we'll see a comeback of DIVE?
I liked DIVE... |
Wow!! I think Kyogre would suit SoulSiver... And Groudon would definately suit Heart Gold...
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I'm guessing Groudon and Kyogre can be obtained after the main story is complete, and they'll be running or surfing around in the wild. Remember the legendary beasts running around Kanto after you became the champion? Sorta seems like the same thing. Or perhaps they're going to be event Pokémon, finally making proper, productive use of the Wi-Fi connection. |
Well, to clear any confusion about the whole Hoenn thing, they most definitely will not be putting it in. Why? Well first, memory and all that claptrap, the card won't be able to accomodate three full regions, guys.
Second, they're putting Kyogre and Groudon in because there isn't going to be Hoenn. Because of the DSi, GBA game compatibility has gone out the window, so they're putting Hoenn legendaries in so that the pawr baaabeez who have a DSi will be able to get them without having to rely on trading. I wouldn't be surprised if Latias and Latios were released as event Pokemon sometime, either. |
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Does anyone think there might be a subplot with Team Rocket to get Groudon or Kyogre?
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Half the cart space. A whole ds cart is around 128MB and platinum and dp where around 64MB. I doubt hgss would go over 80MB and if it does then that would be because of more areas and such,
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I really can't imagine Groudon and Kyogre roaming Legendary Beasts style! It will be okay if they roamed the way they did in Emerald. I agree completely on that part Hiroshi. And Its already said that the info that is on play-asia is fake(the hoenn story and new pokemon and all that!).
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I really, really don't think they'd go up to 256mb, and if we were to expect Johto itself to be around as large as Sinnoh, then that + Kanto + Hoenn really wouldn't fit on the 128mb, unless they were cut down drastically (not that I expect them all to be full scale and epic or anything). Then again, I'm quite possibly wrong. |
Actually by the looks of it Johto could be only half of Sinnoh while Kanto could be the other half. As I said you never know.
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Yeah, true. I'd be disappointed if they only used a 64mb cartridge for both regions, though. With all the new features and such, they'd really be cramming it in there. However, this has gone far enough off topic, I'd say :P.
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I hope this isn't true yet because I'm planning to get Soul Silver and now I'm thinking other wise because Groundon isn't in SS >=[
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Huh? Groudon is in Soul Silver. Much to my dismay; Kyogre = <3
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Yeah Groudon is in SoulSilver. The playasia info is the fake stuff. Kyogre for thsoe with HeartGold.
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But again, it would be cool. If it were, and Groudon would really lay at Cinnabar, then a good place for Kyogre might be Seafoam isles... Theyre pretty close, and since Articuno is gone from there (roamin' in Sinnoh with Zaptos and Moltres ^^), it could make sense. Blaine's gym is there, but there's TWO islands, right? Another area could be Tohjo falls, or possibly Mount Mortar... Whirl Islands would be great, but Lugia is there if you haven't catched it yet, so yea... Maybe another of the four Isles? The possibilities here are many, but the chanses are that they'll just create a whole new area, or... Maybe not even that...? |
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http://www.pokemon.co.jp/special/hgss/character/rocket01.html
I feel that this link may help us on the guessing on this Kyogre/Groudon Subplot. If you look at the top, there is the section with Team Rocket (which the link leads to). But if you continue to look, you will noticed there are three "Coming Soon" tabs. I believe these may just be Team Magma, Team Aqua, and Team Galactic. The Team Magma and Team Aqua could be in this game for this little subplot, and the reason I think Team Galactic might be is because of the Arceus event (that I highly doubt they'd be there for). This is just speculation though. xD So I think there might just be a separate little storyline for this whole thing and they might try to avoid the roaming legendary thing from Emerald. |
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Theres gonna be alot of legendaries in this game if you didn't catch or trade legendaries from previous you get another chance now. Like when arceus gives you a lvl 1 palkia, diagla, or giratinas
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Ah yeah it is 128MB. I didn't know that I thought it was the 64MB it was. So yeah possibly have to go with it.
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They might have to take out a few things to make the size smaller so its playable.
I mean imagine a pokemon game wheres it takes 20 minutes to catch a pokemon cause the game is so slow and glitchy ): |
Yes! I can finally get a groudon who doesn't suck!
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Oh,
And you can get Rayquaza if you have Groudon AND Kyogre in one game. But I don't know if it is also roaming. |
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I'm honestly hoping for a whole event around these guys. Something kind of like the Heatran side-quest thing. |
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If all three regions were available, HG SS would be complete[r then they already are].
*Smack* But that most likely won't happen due to constraints with limited space, even if they did give Hoenn the Kanto-treatment and shrunk it. One could always dream though... :[ |
Has anyone else (besides me) thought of the possibility of Kyogre/Groudon, and Rayquaza appearing in the expanded part of Cianwood?
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If anything, and this may have already been said, there would be a special event that lets you travel to an area in the region but not explore it in its entirety. Sort of like the 8th and 9th islands were added on to the sevii isles. But too this is only speculation. Only time will tell so for now the point is a moot one.
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I don't use post-Johto Pokemon (except for Drifblim, but that's another story), so I don't really care. It'll be another one for the trade thread, anyway.
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It would be nice to have hoenn in the game as well but the chances of that happening r near 0. Its kinda strange, I never really liked the 3rd gen pokemon but now that they r in this game, I'm really excited about it.
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Regarding Rayquaza's location, I think a fitting place would be the Dragon Cave(or den, whatever it is) in Blackthorn, once you have the two others in your party a secret place can show up then ta-da! Rayquaza!
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HG/SS Pal park isn't for the transferring of pokemon from the GBA games or is it?
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I highly doubt HG/SS will include a "Pal Park."
It will probably have something better than that. |
So...Groundon and Kyogre.
In all of the excitement it appears that we've completely forgotten about them. But they are one of the only events that we know almost nothing about. What purpose do they have in the story, if at all? How will getting both of them get you Rayquaza? There are a lot of unanswered questions, and I no one's been asking about them.
My personal theory is that they will have a sub-plot dedicated to them in the Sevill Islands. Each game will have version exclusive landscapes based on the massive flood or drought happening there. Soulsilver will have vast rocky land routes, and the islands will become mountains. Heartgold will have a landscape like in Wind Waker, with huge quantities of water,and small islands with small little dungeons on them. Rayqaza will be located in Navel Rock. At first there will be a stone door with the two orbs on it, and when you bring Groundon and Kyogre it will open up. |
It's Groudon.
You're right, though, what little we know about them! I was too hoping that they'd reinclude the Sevii Islands, but I don't think there's a huge chance of that happening. |
I think you have it backwards... Isn't Kyogre in Heart Gold and Groudon in Soul Silver?
Interesting theory though... the Sevii Islands were in FR/LG... and we do go to Kanto in HG/SS... |
Seeing as how it is a sequel to FR/LG, I believe the Sevii Islands will be included. or at least their Johto couterparts (whatever they could be).
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I agree that the Sevii islands could possibly appear in HG/SS, but I don't know about the whole Navel rock and orbs.
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Merged topic with a pre-existing one on the two RSE legendaries.
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Haha im somewhat excited, but its nothin super special, really. Im glad that i will be able to capture Groundon in Soul Silver, though ;D
Haha i wonder what level they will be at? |
I love how the Kyogre and Groudon and Rayquaza are just shadows.
Like we're not supposed to know what Pokemon those are :pp |
I dont think they will be traveling.
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I've seen this somewhere on the forums :s
Anyways, rumor has it catching Rayquaza will be like catching Regigigas. You will need Kyogre and Groudon to awaken it. But I am sure you all knew this via picture right? |
Why? (Hoenn Legendaries)
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So we all know that Kyogre, Groudon, and Rayquaza are in HG/SS. I just want to know why they put Kyogre in Heart Gold and Groudon in Soul Silver, since Kyogre is in sapphire, the 'secondary' game in Generation III (You say "Ruby and Sapphire", not "Sapphire and Ruby"), and now it's in Heart Gold, the 'primary' game of the Gen. IV remakes, and vice-versa for Groudon being in Soul Silver.
In the screenshots below, you can see that Kyogre is placed on a platform with glowing red patterns (they also look slightly gold, probably to match "Heart Gold"), and Groudon is standing on a platform with blue patterns (same as before, they look a little silver to match "Soul Silver"). Why is this? It seems like Groudon/Kyogre should be standing on their respective colors, reddish gold for Groudon and blueish silver for Kyogre, since Rayquaza is standing on a green pattern. This would mean Groudon in Heart Gold and Kyogre in Soul Silver. I don't know, it just seems to make a lot more since to me is they put Groudon in HG and Kyogre in SS. Also, this question may have been asked before, but I couldn't find it anywhere. Attachment 48824 Attachment 48826 Attachment 48825 |
Well if you think back, Kyogre was possessed by the Red Orb and Groudon by the Blue Orb. So it fits better. Either way, it doesn't really matter.
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It's such a minor thing, really. I don't even know what to say...just to spice it up? Maybe they assumed those who were Ruby goers would chase HeartGold and vice verse with Sapphire/SoulSilver.
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Kyogre has red patterns on its body, the ground it's on has red patterns. Groudon... Doesn't have blue patterns, but it fits. Also the Orbs, yeah.
Why Kyogre is in HG and Groudon in SS... Well, why not? We wouldn't know anyway. |
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EDIT: wow, you guys took the words out of my mouth XD I didn't realize that there were two more posts before i posted my response. I guess you're right, SilverSmeargleSplatter, it's probably just to spice it up. It does make me angry though that I always got the primary game, except for in Gen. III, when for some reason, I got Sapphire. Arrgh! Now I won't be able to have Groudon, since I'm getting Heart Gold (because I originally had Gold)! I guess there's always trading.... |
To balance out the somethingky molecular module class type B. :S
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It really doesn't matter.
Since both games have the same Johto Legendaries, if you really wanted Kyogre, you would go for HG and vice cersa for SS But I do get what you are saying |
It makes sense blah.
Ho-oh is Fire Lugia is a wannabe water when you catch it (Hydro Pump) And: Groudon is a wannabe Fire with his Fire attacks Kyogre is water. Then: one game will have Fire&water, one game will have (wannabes)water&fire. Yeah, weird explanation, and some people without any sense of humor would kill meh o: |
is that really necessary? does it matter. If you want Kyogre- get Heart Gold. If you want Groundon- get Soul Silver. Done.
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Soul silver all the way. Obviously
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