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.Aero July 7th, 2009 10:35 AM

You do know about Kyogre/Groudon, right?
 
So I haven't seen anyone talking about this at all. :/ Kyogre and Groudon will be catchable in this game and no one has even mentioned it. D: *gasp*!

Well, not much info has been revealed, but Kyogre is HeartGold exclusive, while Groudon is SoulSilver exclusive. After obtaining both, Rayquaza becomes available. Might this hint at Hoenn actually getting into the game? Or might there be a separate set of events that lead to these legendary beings?

Source - http://www.pokemon.co.jp/special/hgss/pokemon/02.html

EDIT: Since recently, we now know that they are catchable in a cave (no Hoenn), all at level 50.

Silhouette July 7th, 2009 10:40 AM

Yep, I knew. I think there may be references to Hoenn, but only that. I wish Kyogre would be in SS...

Mitchman July 7th, 2009 10:42 AM

There is a speculation thread for a reason. And seeing as how little info there is we can't really say anything. And Kanto is in why need a 3rd region.

.Aero July 7th, 2009 10:45 AM

A 3rd region would be nice because it could extend the life of the game. :/ Plus, Hoenn would be the only one left out of the DS generation since Kanto is coming back.

I highly doubt that there will be Hoenn, but I gotta hope since it was my favorite region.

And I do know about the speculation thread, but this isn't a speculation, is it? It's basically confirmed by the official site. :/

Mitchman July 7th, 2009 10:47 AM

Yes it is. Its speculating on where they will appear how and such.

.Aero July 7th, 2009 10:55 AM

xD I'm sorry then. I forgot I put those...I always end the main posts with questions to spark discussion. When a mod/super mod/ect gets on, they'll probably merge it. It's no big deal anyway. :/

But I'm honestly glad that Kyogre is with HeartGold, since it's the one I'm getting. Kyogre is one of my favorites, so yay!

Mitchman July 7th, 2009 10:58 AM

I am getting soulsilver with groudon. Possibly the best legends for a game really. Lugia and Groudon in one package with Ho-oh later on. Lovely.

Ging July 7th, 2009 11:16 AM

Has anyone already known this?


This is from Play-Asia's pre-order section:


"Pokemon Heart Gold is a remake of Pokemon Gold, a game which first came out in 2,000. It includes revamped graphics, various new Pokemon, and new forms of previously existing Pokemon. The game also offers a special challenge after the main story is completed, in which the main character travels to the Hoenn region to catch one of two titans that fought 3 years earlier. New characters include Lunah, the Dark type gym leader of Hoenn, and Sakura, the gardening enthusiast. Supports wi-fi connection and comes with a pedometer."



:3

Mitchman July 7th, 2009 11:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ging (Post 4828164)
Has anyone already known this?


This is from Play-Asia's pre-order section:


"Pokemon Heart Gold is a remake of Pokemon Gold, a game which first came out in 2,000. It includes revamped graphics, various new Pokemon, and new forms of previously existing Pokemon. The game also offers a special challenge after the main story is completed, in which the main character travels to the Hoenn region to catch one of two titans that fought 3 years earlier. New characters include Lunah, the Dark type gym leader of Hoenn, and Sakura, the gardening enthusiast. Supports wi-fi connection and comes with a pedometer."



:3

Fake anyone can edit it. Someone needs to get in contact with playasia to post a proper description cause this will be used many times on pokemon boards.

Ging July 7th, 2009 11:22 AM

It's a nice thought though, hmm? :3

Hoenn region, three years passed...

Mitchman July 7th, 2009 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Ging (Post 4828194)
It's a nice thought though, hmm? :3

Hoenn region, three years passed...

No it isn't. Hoenn is not needed at all and it as I said it is totally fake. Also new Pokemon are mentioned and there is on substantial proof at all that it takes place 3 years before alongside Kanto.

Pokestick, good times. July 7th, 2009 11:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ging (Post 4828164)
Has anyone already known this?


This is from Play-Asia's pre-order section:


"Pokemon Heart Gold is a remake of Pokemon Gold, a game which first came out in 2,000. It includes revamped graphics, various new Pokemon, and new forms of previously existing Pokemon. The game also offers a special challenge after the main story is completed, in which the main character travels to the Hoenn region to catch one of two titans that fought 3 years earlier. New characters include Lunah, the Dark type gym leader of Hoenn, and Sakura, the gardening enthusiast. Supports wi-fi connection and comes with a pedometer."



:3

...Buuut, that's only one website, that ctually has nothing to do with the game... This has been discussed in the Speculation thread, and it's quite obviously only a bad rumor that they happened to get...
EDIT: Yeah, as they said, probably fake.

Ging July 7th, 2009 11:32 AM

Well that's interesting to say the least.

I happen to like the idea of Hoenn being explored again.... but if this website is giving us a heap of bologna, it'd be too bad.

Mitchman July 7th, 2009 11:33 AM

Ugh they are for Christ's sake. As i stated anyone can edit it and whoever did, did a bad job. Its full of holes like I explained.

Ging July 7th, 2009 11:38 AM

Kay. 100% major proof that you, sir, are correct. :3

xxChazxx July 7th, 2009 11:59 AM

Interesting. I actually hadn't known about this and was pleasently surprised. Thank you for informing me.

I really hope that both Kanto and Hoenn both make it. Kanto is a given when you look at the map, but Hoenn would be awesome also. I mean seeing both Kanto and Hoenn in the new style on the DS? Simply fantastic.

Pokestick, good times. July 7th, 2009 12:36 PM

If a RBG remake were done, and then a GS one, then there should be a RS soon enough. Therefore Hoenn will be explored later anyways. The only reason Kantoh was in HGSS was that it was in GS. And Hoenn weren't, was it?

xxChazxx July 7th, 2009 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by pokestick (Post 4828549)
If a RBG remake were done, and then a GS one, then there should be a RS soon enough. Therefore Hoenn will be explored later anyways. The only reason Kantoh was in HGSS was that it was in GS. And Hoenn weren't, was it?

But will it be on the DS? If you remember, it's been one remake per system (excluding GB and GBC). I doubt that the DS will see a R/S/E remake.

1Ghostly-slash1 July 7th, 2009 12:42 PM

when does both these games come out? cause i would get soul silver if its the remake of the johto region

Greene1516 July 7th, 2009 12:45 PM

Actually everyone has been talking about it, it just didn't have its own thread. And there is plenty of information. After you beat the E4 and defeat all the Kanto leaders Professor Birch shows up at Professor Elm's lab and tells you that a legendary Pokemon from his region of Hoenn has appeared in Johto. This was in that CoroCoro mag about two months ago. So Hoenn isn't going to be in the game, a pity as it may be.

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Originally Posted by 1Ghostly-slash1 (Post 4828579)
when does both these games come out? cause i would get soul silver if its the remake of the johto region

It is a Johto remake. How can you not have heard about these by now???

Pokestick, good times. July 7th, 2009 12:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xxChazxx (Post 4828562)
But will it be on the DS? If you remember, it's been one remake per system (excluding GB and GBC). I doubt that the DS will see a R/S/E remake.

So? GSC weren't in GBA format (if you don't count ROM-hacks), why would they care for that?

xxChazxx July 7th, 2009 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by pokestick (Post 4828602)
So? GSC weren't in GBA format (if you don't count ROM-hacks), why would they care for that?

Wait, what does that have to with why there would be a DS R/S/E remake?

It seems they skip a system. GB went to GBA. GBC went to DS. GBA went to ???.

Pokestick, good times. July 7th, 2009 1:03 PM

Oops! Sorry, I misread your post. Yea, that's probably it.

yaminokame July 7th, 2009 1:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greene1516 (Post 4828594)
Actually everyone has been talking about it, it just didn't have its own thread. And there is plenty of information. After you beat the E4 and defeat all the Kanto leaders Professor Birch shows up at Professor Elm's lab and tells you that a legendary Pokemon from his region of Hoenn has appeared in Johto.
...

All of the bold stuff is not confirmed.

Ayselipera July 7th, 2009 1:12 PM

I did know about this, but I'm not too excited.
I never really use legendaries although I wish Kyorge was on ss since I like it more and thats the game I'm getting first. Anyways I thought they were just putting Kyorge and Groudon in HG/SS because R/S/E are the only games so far that aren't for the Ds (thats if you want to count kanto in HG/SS.) Still, Ho-oh and Lugia were in R/S/E as events so it makes sense that Kyorge and Groudon are in HG/SS. Although I'm not sure if they're going to be event pokemon or not?

Black Ice July 7th, 2009 1:16 PM

I like how they silhouetted the Pokemon >> Way to be subtle?

It wouldn't really make much sense for Kyogre/Groudon to be event Pokemon IMO. They're already available in large quantities, so that kinda defeats the purpose.

.Aero July 7th, 2009 1:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greene1516 (Post 4828594)
Actually everyone has been talking about it, it just didn't have its own thread. And there is plenty of information. After you beat the E4 and defeat all the Kanto leaders Professor Birch shows up at Professor Elm's lab and tells you that a legendary Pokemon from his region of Hoenn has appeared in Johto. This was in that CoroCoro mag about two months ago. So Hoenn isn't going to be in the game, a pity as it may be.



It is a Johto remake. How can you not have heard about these by now???

I actually translated the captions for this picture and speaks about the Hall of Fame. So I'm assuming that they become available after you achieve that status. :/ That's just what I got out of it though.

And they're only in high quantities to people who have access to Wi-fi, and not everyone does. :/

xxChazxx July 7th, 2009 2:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by yaminokame (Post 4828702)
All of the bold stuff is not confirmed.

It is plausible though. In Platinum, Oak came told you of the three legendary birds from Kanto once you got the National Dex (and chased him around the map, from Pal Park to Eterna City).

But you are right, not confirmed and it is just crazy to say otherwise.

Pokestick, good times. July 7th, 2009 2:20 PM

It would be nice to meet Prof birch in a non-RSE-game for the first time... I hope it will happen. Although... When I think about it, they (Groudon and Kyogre) doesn't really seem like the kind of Pokémon that just moves to a different region just like that, legendary bird-style... But well atleast theyre there.

And yess 50 posts! (i've actually done alot more posts than that, but meh)

And hey, wouldn't it be fun if Groudon/Kyogre were roamin' too!

xxChazxx July 7th, 2009 2:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pokestick (Post 4829057)
It would be nice to meet Prof birch in a non-RSE-game for the first time... I hope it will happen. Although... When I think about it, they (Groudon and Kyogre) doesn't really seem like the kind of Pokémon that just moves to a different region just like that, legendary bird-style... But well atleast theyre there.

And yess 50 posts! (i've actually done alot more posts than that, but meh)

And hey, wouldn't it be fun if Groudon/Kyogre were roamin' too!

Roaming? You mean like in Emerald?

Mitchman July 8th, 2009 2:37 AM

What if they covered them because they are shiny or in some new color?

ShinyBlaziken July 8th, 2009 3:33 AM

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Originally Posted by xxChazxx (Post 4829086)
Roaming? You mean like in Emerald?


I also heard that they will be roaming through the whole region after you've beaten the Elite 4 and the Champion.
I think like Entei, Raikou and Suicune.
But i don't know if that's true.

s0nido July 8th, 2009 4:14 AM

We're probably getting a Hoenn remake after 5 years, since we got an RBY remake 9 years after the original games were released, and the same timespan after the GSC series was released. So we'll probably get an RSE remake after 6 years.

xxChazxx July 8th, 2009 4:55 AM

Wait. If these two are going to be in, does anyone think we'll see a comeback of DIVE?

I liked DIVE...

SceptileX July 8th, 2009 5:15 AM

Wow!! I think Kyogre would suit SoulSiver... And Groudon would definately suit Heart Gold...

Percy Thrillington July 8th, 2009 5:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ging (Post 4828164)
Has anyone already known this?


This is from Play-Asia's pre-order section:


"Pokemon Heart Gold is a remake of Pokemon Gold, a game which first came out in 2,000. It includes revamped graphics, various new Pokemon, and new forms of previously existing Pokemon. The game also offers a special challenge after the main story is completed, in which the main character travels to the Hoenn region to catch one of two titans that fought 3 years earlier. New characters include Lunah, the Dark type gym leader of Hoenn, and Sakura, the gardening enthusiast. Supports wi-fi connection and comes with a pedometer."



:3

Not believing it until it's confirmed by a reliable source~

I'm guessing Groudon and Kyogre can be obtained after the main story is complete, and they'll be running or surfing around in the wild. Remember the legendary beasts running around Kanto after you became the champion? Sorta seems like the same thing.

Or perhaps they're going to be event Pokémon, finally making proper, productive use of the Wi-Fi connection.

Fantomix July 8th, 2009 5:51 AM

Well, to clear any confusion about the whole Hoenn thing, they most definitely will not be putting it in. Why? Well first, memory and all that claptrap, the card won't be able to accomodate three full regions, guys.
Second, they're putting Kyogre and Groudon in because there isn't going to be Hoenn. Because of the DSi, GBA game compatibility has gone out the window, so they're putting Hoenn legendaries in so that the pawr baaabeez who have a DSi will be able to get them without having to rely on trading. I wouldn't be surprised if Latias and Latios were released as event Pokemon sometime, either.

Mitchman July 8th, 2009 5:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fantomix (Post 4831511)
Well, to clear any confusion about the whole Hoenn thing, they most definitely will not be putting it in. Why? Well first, memory and all that claptrap, the card won't be able to accomodate three full regions, guys.
Second, they're putting Kyogre and Groudon in because there isn't going to be Hoenn. Because of the DSi, GBA game compatibility has gone out the window, so they're putting Hoenn legendaries in so that the pawr baaabeez who have a DSi will be able to get them without having to rely on trading. I wouldn't be surprised if Latias and Latios were released as event Pokemon sometime, either.

Oh trust me there is enough space to put it. The game will be more or less the size of DPPt half the cart and a bit more with the fancy graphics. They could if they want but the question is would they.

Crocky July 8th, 2009 6:05 AM

Does anyone think there might be a subplot with Team Rocket to get Groudon or Kyogre?

Fantomix July 8th, 2009 6:06 AM

Quote:

Oh trust me there is enough space to put it. The game will be more or less the size of DPPt half the cart and a bit more with the fancy graphics. They could if they want but the question is would they.
Ah, I'm probably just forgetting the size that Platinum was. Also, what do you mean by "half the cart"? (It's probably obvious, it's just that it's midnight and all.)

Quote:

Does anyone think there might be a subplot with Team Rocket to get Groudon or Kyogre?
Nah, probably not. I think Groudon might have something to do with all the volcanic activity around Cinnabar and whatnot, and Kyogre... Something watery xD (yeah, I'm a bit rusty on Kanto/Johto at the moment :P). That's how it has been, generally. Talk to TV, "Oh, this random Pokemon appeared coincidentally when you defeated the Elite Four! It's been sighted at *random place*. :S

Mitchman July 8th, 2009 6:11 AM

Half the cart space. A whole ds cart is around 128MB and platinum and dp where around 64MB. I doubt hgss would go over 80MB and if it does then that would be because of more areas and such,

derozio July 8th, 2009 6:13 AM

I really can't imagine Groudon and Kyogre roaming Legendary Beasts style! It will be okay if they roamed the way they did in Emerald. I agree completely on that part Hiroshi. And Its already said that the info that is on play-asia is fake(the hoenn story and new pokemon and all that!).

Fantomix July 8th, 2009 6:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Todoroki Is (Post 4831561)
Half the cart space. A whole ds cart is around 128MB and platinum and dp where around 64MB. I doubt hgss would go over 80MB and if it does then that would be because of more areas and such,

Ah, hm. My understanding was that you can't exactly have a "whole" DS cart. They come in different sizes; something like 16mb, 32mb, 64mb, 128mb and then there's very few games that use a 256mb cart. Basically the game is put on whichever best accomodates their size, and then (I'm not completely sure on this one) it's just filled with a bunch of unnecessary code and jumble to make up the excess, hence why trimming is possible.

I really, really don't think they'd go up to 256mb, and if we were to expect Johto itself to be around as large as Sinnoh, then that + Kanto + Hoenn really wouldn't fit on the 128mb, unless they were cut down drastically (not that I expect them all to be full scale and epic or anything). Then again, I'm quite possibly wrong.

Mitchman July 8th, 2009 6:32 AM

Actually by the looks of it Johto could be only half of Sinnoh while Kanto could be the other half. As I said you never know.

Fantomix July 8th, 2009 6:38 AM

Yeah, true. I'd be disappointed if they only used a 64mb cartridge for both regions, though. With all the new features and such, they'd really be cramming it in there. However, this has gone far enough off topic, I'd say :P.

~*!*~Tatsujin Gosuto~*!*~ July 8th, 2009 6:59 AM

I hope this isn't true yet because I'm planning to get Soul Silver and now I'm thinking other wise because Groundon isn't in SS >=[


:t354:TG

Fantomix July 8th, 2009 7:03 AM

Huh? Groudon is in Soul Silver. Much to my dismay; Kyogre = <3

Mitchman July 8th, 2009 7:04 AM

Yeah Groudon is in SoulSilver. The playasia info is the fake stuff. Kyogre for thsoe with HeartGold.

adhdkiki July 8th, 2009 7:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SceptileX (Post 4831415)
Wow!! I think Kyogre would suit SoulSiver... And Groudon would definately suit Heart Gold...

No, they wouldn't. Not in that combination. Kyogre and Lugia = Water-ish Leganedaries. Groudon and Ho-oh = Fire-ish legendaries. This was probably done in this order more for legendary type balnce because then SoulSilver would have a type advantage against HeartGold, since everyone loves battling their exclusive legendaries. it would lead to a bias in type match-ups.

Pokestick, good times. July 8th, 2009 7:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fantomix (Post 4831546)
Ah, I'm probably just forgetting the size that Platinum was. Also, what do you mean by "half the cart"? (It's probably obvious, it's just that it's midnight and all.)



Nah, probably not. I think Groudon might have something to do with all the volcanic activity around Cinnabar and whatnot, and Kyogre... Something watery xD (yeah, I'm a bit rusty on Kanto/Johto at the moment :P). That's how it has been, generally. Talk to TV, "Oh, this random Pokemon appeared coincidentally when you defeated the Elite Four! It's been sighted at *random place*. :S

When you think about that there will be no Groudon in HG and no Kyogre in SS, then the thought of havin' G and K in different places would make the games missin' a part of the plot that is in the other one, since you can't just use the same dialog for two different areas. I know that it would be cool, and doesn't sound that weird, but it just doesn't seem that Pokémonish, if you get my point. They usually don't do that...
But again, it would be cool.

If it were, and Groudon would really lay at Cinnabar, then a good place for Kyogre might be Seafoam isles... Theyre pretty close, and since Articuno is gone from there (roamin' in Sinnoh with Zaptos and Moltres ^^), it could make sense. Blaine's gym is there, but there's TWO islands, right?
Another area could be Tohjo falls, or possibly Mount Mortar... Whirl Islands would be great, but Lugia is there if you haven't catched it yet, so yea... Maybe another of the four Isles?

The possibilities here are many, but the chanses are that they'll just create a whole new area, or... Maybe not even that...?

Greene1516 July 8th, 2009 7:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rekhyt (Post 4831429)
Not believing it until it's confirmed by a reliable source~

I'm guessing Groudon and Kyogre can be obtained after the main story is complete, and they'll be running or surfing around in the wild. Remember the legendary beasts running around Kanto after you became the champion? Sorta seems like the same thing.

Or perhaps they're going to be event Pokémon, finally making proper, productive use of the Wi-Fi connection.

You are right not to believe it since it was confirmed that there is no Hoenn region. All that was mentioned is that Kyogre/Groudon show upin Johot, but people decide to add their own little piece saying Hoenn is in because that is what they want.

.Aero July 8th, 2009 8:24 AM

http://www.pokemon.co.jp/special/hgss/character/rocket01.html

I feel that this link may help us on the guessing on this Kyogre/Groudon Subplot. If you look at the top, there is the section with Team Rocket (which the link leads to). But if you continue to look, you will noticed there are three "Coming Soon" tabs. I believe these may just be Team Magma, Team Aqua, and Team Galactic.

The Team Magma and Team Aqua could be in this game for this little subplot, and the reason I think Team Galactic might be is because of the Arceus event (that I highly doubt they'd be there for). This is just speculation though. xD


So I think there might just be a separate little storyline for this whole thing and they might try to avoid the roaming legendary thing from Emerald.

derozio July 8th, 2009 8:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fantomix (Post 4831611)
I really, really don't think they'd go up to 256mb

They have to go upto that if they want to include all the goodies!

Mitchman July 8th, 2009 8:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AeroForce22 (Post 4832073)
http://www.pokemon.co.jp/special/hgss/character/rocket01.html

I feel that this link may help us on the guessing on this Kyogre/Groudon Subplot. If you look at the top, there is the section with Team Rocket (which the link leads to). But if you continue to look, you will noticed there are three "Coming Soon" tabs. I believe these may just be Team Magma, Team Aqua, and Team Galactic.

The Team Magma and Team Aqua could be in this game for this little subplot, and the reason I think Team Galactic might be is because of the Arceus event (that I highly doubt they'd be there for). This is just speculation though. xD


So I think there might just be a separate little storyline for this whole thing and they might try to avoid the roaming legendary thing from Emerald.

No because the whole page is labeled as rocket meaning it will be for rocket only.
Quote:

Originally Posted by Crusher 1 (Post 4832083)
They have to go upto that if they want to include all the goodies!

No they do not. I clearly stated it is completely possible to have the game with 2 regions and the graphics they are giving us without going over 80MB.

MechaTrickster July 8th, 2009 8:30 AM

Theres gonna be alot of legendaries in this game if you didn't catch or trade legendaries from previous you get another chance now. Like when arceus gives you a lvl 1 palkia, diagla, or giratinas

derozio July 8th, 2009 8:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Todoroki Is (Post 4832089)
No they do not. I clearly stated it is completely possible to have the game with 2 regions and the graphics they are giving us without going over 80MB.

How come? Even Platinum was 128mb in size. Don't be angry and please explain if you will.

Mitchman July 8th, 2009 8:35 AM

Ah yeah it is 128MB. I didn't know that I thought it was the 64MB it was. So yeah possibly have to go with it.

MechaTrickster July 8th, 2009 8:36 AM

They might have to take out a few things to make the size smaller so its playable.

I mean imagine a pokemon game wheres it takes 20 minutes to catch a pokemon cause the game is so slow and glitchy ):

Vyro July 8th, 2009 8:37 AM

Yes! I can finally get a groudon who doesn't suck!

derozio July 8th, 2009 8:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Todoroki Is (Post 4832130)
Ah yeah it is 128MB. I didn't know that I thought it was the 64MB it was. So yeah possibly have to go with it.

I can confirm it was 128 mb as I play on an emulator. I just mentioned 256mb as even some crap roms are at 128 mb. As HGSS are looking the way they are now I think that it will be 256 mb in size.

ShinyBlaziken July 9th, 2009 3:22 AM

Oh,
And you can get Rayquaza if you have Groudon AND Kyogre in one game.
But I don't know if it is also roaming.

xxChazxx July 9th, 2009 3:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ShinyBlaziken (Post 4836060)
Oh,
And you can get Rayquaza if you have Groudon AND Kyogre in one game.
But I don't know if it is also roaming.

If not, it may be hiding in a cave. You may need the two as a key.

.Aero July 9th, 2009 9:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ShinyBlaziken (Post 4836060)
Oh,
And you can get Rayquaza if you have Groudon AND Kyogre in one game.
But I don't know if it is also roaming.

I mentioned this in the first post...didn't I? Well nothing about the roaming is known. It may not even be there. :/

I'm honestly hoping for a whole event around these guys. Something kind of like the Heatran side-quest thing.

xxChazxx July 9th, 2009 10:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AeroForce22 (Post 4837269)
I mentioned this in the first post...didn't I? Well nothing about the roaming is known. It may not even be there. :/

I'm honestly hoping for a whole event around these guys. Something kind of like the Heatran side-quest thing.

Preferably longer. Heatran's side story wasn't all that satisfying.

Niprop July 9th, 2009 1:00 PM

If all three regions were available, HG SS would be complete[r then they already are].


*Smack*


But that most likely won't happen due to constraints with limited space, even if they did give Hoenn the Kanto-treatment and shrunk it. One could always dream though... :[

Sweet Smoochum July 9th, 2009 1:34 PM

Has anyone else (besides me) thought of the possibility of Kyogre/Groudon, and Rayquaza appearing in the expanded part of Cianwood?

Greene1516 July 9th, 2009 6:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GymLeaderLily (Post 4838040)
Has anyone else (besides me) thought of the possibility of Kyogre/Groudon, and Rayquaza appearing in the expanded part of Cianwood?

The expanded part of Cianwood is the HG/SS Pal Park, so it's unlikely.

SDODC13 July 9th, 2009 6:12 PM

If anything, and this may have already been said, there would be a special event that lets you travel to an area in the region but not explore it in its entirety. Sort of like the 8th and 9th islands were added on to the sevii isles. But too this is only speculation. Only time will tell so for now the point is a moot one.

ChronicEdge July 9th, 2009 6:14 PM

I don't use post-Johto Pokemon (except for Drifblim, but that's another story), so I don't really care. It'll be another one for the trade thread, anyway.

Pan!ko July 9th, 2009 6:31 PM

It would be nice to have hoenn in the game as well but the chances of that happening r near 0. Its kinda strange, I never really liked the 3rd gen pokemon but now that they r in this game, I'm really excited about it.

Greene1516 July 9th, 2009 6:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SDODC13 (Post 4839210)
If anything, and this may have already been said, there would be a special event that lets you travel to an area in the region but not explore it in its entirety. Sort of like the 8th and 9th islands were added on to the sevii isles. But too this is only speculation. Only time will tell so for now the point is a moot one.

It's not an event. .

Fallujah July 9th, 2009 7:49 PM

Regarding Rayquaza's location, I think a fitting place would be the Dragon Cave(or den, whatever it is) in Blackthorn, once you have the two others in your party a secret place can show up then ta-da! Rayquaza!

SDODC13 July 9th, 2009 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Greene1516 (Post 4839329)
It's not an event. .

oh I know that its not like a nintendo event or anything I'm just saying they might make it accessable or something. But that'd be the only reason I'd see any single part of hoenn in the game.

Ging July 10th, 2009 10:26 AM

HG/SS Pal park isn't for the transferring of pokemon from the GBA games or is it?

ShinyBlaziken July 10th, 2009 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Ging (Post 4841538)
HG/SS Pal park isn't for the transferring of pokemon from the GBA games or is it?

I actually don't know but I think that it'll be like in D/P/Pt.

RockmanEXE July 10th, 2009 12:29 PM

I highly doubt HG/SS will include a "Pal Park."

It will probably have something better than that.

e4darthteej July 19th, 2009 11:25 AM

So...Groundon and Kyogre.
 
In all of the excitement it appears that we've completely forgotten about them. But they are one of the only events that we know almost nothing about. What purpose do they have in the story, if at all? How will getting both of them get you Rayquaza? There are a lot of unanswered questions, and I no one's been asking about them.

My personal theory is that they will have a sub-plot dedicated to them in the Sevill Islands. Each game will have version exclusive landscapes based on the massive flood or drought happening there. Soulsilver will have vast rocky land routes, and the islands will become mountains. Heartgold will have a landscape like in Wind Waker, with huge quantities of water,and small islands with small little dungeons on them. Rayqaza will be located in Navel Rock. At first there will be a stone door with the two orbs on it, and when you bring Groundon and Kyogre it will open up.

Alxprit July 19th, 2009 1:03 PM

It's Groudon.

You're right, though, what little we know about them! I was too hoping that they'd reinclude the Sevii Islands, but I don't think there's a huge chance of that happening.

Echoing Song July 19th, 2009 1:05 PM

I think you have it backwards... Isn't Kyogre in Heart Gold and Groudon in Soul Silver?

Interesting theory though... the Sevii Islands were in FR/LG... and we do go to Kanto in HG/SS...

xxChazxx July 19th, 2009 1:40 PM

Seeing as how it is a sequel to FR/LG, I believe the Sevii Islands will be included. or at least their Johto couterparts (whatever they could be).

Greene1516 July 19th, 2009 1:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Echoing-Echoes (Post 4874622)
I think you have it backwards... Isn't Kyogre in Heart Gold and Groudon in Soul Silver?

Interesting theory though... the Sevii Islands were in FR/LG... and we do go to Kanto in HG/SS...

Correct. .

Ayselipera July 19th, 2009 1:49 PM

I agree that the Sevii islands could possibly appear in HG/SS, but I don't know about the whole Navel rock and orbs.

bobandbill July 19th, 2009 7:49 PM

Merged topic with a pre-existing one on the two RSE legendaries.

Momoko July 20th, 2009 3:02 AM

Haha im somewhat excited, but its nothin super special, really. Im glad that i will be able to capture Groundon in Soul Silver, though ;D
Haha i wonder what level they will be at?

:3 July 20th, 2009 9:02 PM

I love how the Kyogre and Groudon and Rayquaza are just shadows.

Like we're not supposed to know what Pokemon those are :pp

Haza July 21st, 2009 5:50 PM

I dont think they will be traveling.

mew² July 21st, 2009 6:53 PM

I've seen this somewhere on the forums :s
Anyways, rumor has it catching Rayquaza will be like catching Regigigas. You will need Kyogre and Groudon to awaken it.
But I am sure you all knew this via picture right?

Luap25 August 11th, 2009 4:59 PM

Why? (Hoenn Legendaries)
 
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So we all know that Kyogre, Groudon, and Rayquaza are in HG/SS. I just want to know why they put Kyogre in Heart Gold and Groudon in Soul Silver, since Kyogre is in sapphire, the 'secondary' game in Generation III (You say "Ruby and Sapphire", not "Sapphire and Ruby"), and now it's in Heart Gold, the 'primary' game of the Gen. IV remakes, and vice-versa for Groudon being in Soul Silver.

In the screenshots below, you can see that Kyogre is placed on a platform with glowing red patterns (they also look slightly gold, probably to match "Heart Gold"), and Groudon is standing on a platform with blue patterns (same as before, they look a little silver to match "Soul Silver"). Why is this? It seems like Groudon/Kyogre should be standing on their respective colors, reddish gold for Groudon and blueish silver for Kyogre, since Rayquaza is standing on a green pattern. This would mean Groudon in Heart Gold and Kyogre in Soul Silver.

I don't know, it just seems to make a lot more since to me is they put Groudon in HG and Kyogre in SS. Also, this question may have been asked before, but I couldn't find it anywhere.

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Greene1516 August 11th, 2009 5:01 PM

Well if you think back, Kyogre was possessed by the Red Orb and Groudon by the Blue Orb. So it fits better. Either way, it doesn't really matter.

Sydian August 11th, 2009 5:08 PM

It's such a minor thing, really. I don't even know what to say...just to spice it up? Maybe they assumed those who were Ruby goers would chase HeartGold and vice verse with Sapphire/SoulSilver.

Finnel August 11th, 2009 5:08 PM

Kyogre has red patterns on its body, the ground it's on has red patterns. Groudon... Doesn't have blue patterns, but it fits. Also the Orbs, yeah.

Why Kyogre is in HG and Groudon in SS... Well, why not? We wouldn't know anyway.

Luap25 August 11th, 2009 5:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Greene1516 (Post 4973263)
Well if you think back, Kyogre was possessed by the Red Orb and Groudon by the Blue Orb. So it fits better. Either way, it doesn't really matter.

Well I guess that explains the colors. Also, I just remembered that Kyogre does have red patterns on its body, so it makes since for it to be on a red platform. But still I find it kind of odd that the mascot of the secondary game of Gen. III is in the primary game of the remakes...

EDIT: wow, you guys took the words out of my mouth XD I didn't realize that there were two more posts before i posted my response. I guess you're right, SilverSmeargleSplatter, it's probably just to spice it up.
It does make me angry though that I always got the primary game, except for in Gen. III, when for some reason, I got Sapphire. Arrgh! Now I won't be able to have Groudon, since I'm getting Heart Gold (because I originally had Gold)! I guess there's always trading....

MiniEggs August 11th, 2009 5:11 PM

To balance out the somethingky molecular module class type B. :S

thegeneticway August 11th, 2009 5:15 PM

It really doesn't matter.

Since both games have the same Johto Legendaries, if you really wanted Kyogre, you would go for HG and vice cersa for SS

But I do get what you are saying

ShinyMeganium August 11th, 2009 5:25 PM

It makes sense blah.
Ho-oh is Fire
Lugia is a wannabe water when you catch it (Hydro Pump)

And:
Groudon is a wannabe Fire with his Fire attacks
Kyogre is water.

Then: one game will have Fire&water, one game will have (wannabes)water&fire.
Yeah, weird explanation, and some people without any sense of humor would kill meh o:

MiniEggs August 11th, 2009 5:27 PM

is that really necessary? does it matter. If you want Kyogre- get Heart Gold. If you want Groundon- get Soul Silver. Done.

Luap25 August 11th, 2009 5:29 PM

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Originally Posted by ShinyMeganium (Post 4973343)
It makes sense blah.
Ho-oh is Fire
Lugia is a wannabe water when you catch it (Hydro Pump)

And:
Groudon is a wannabe Fire with his Fire attacks
Kyogre is water.

Then: one game will have Fire&water, one game will have (wannabes)water&fire.
Yeah, weird explanation, and some people without any sense of humor would kill meh o:

That is actually a pretty good explanation XD. It wouldn't make sense to have two water legends in one game (or one water and one wannabe water haha) or two fires.

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Originally Posted by MiniEggs (Post 4973357)
is that really necessary? does it matter. If you want Kyogre- get Heart Gold. If you want Groundon- get Soul Silver. Done.

I'm not sure now, it's not that big a deal, I'll probably still get Heart Gold, but I may get Soul Silver just for Groudon.

MiniEggs August 11th, 2009 5:31 PM

Soul silver all the way. Obviously

Luap25 August 11th, 2009 5:35 PM

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Originally Posted by MiniEggs (Post 4973382)
Soul silver all the way. Obviously

Nice persuading skills xD. I am actually leaning towards getting Soul Silver now, though.

ShinyMeganium August 11th, 2009 5:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Luap25 (Post 4973367)
That is actually a pretty good explanation XD. It wouldn't make sense to have two water legends in one game (or one water and one wannabe water haha) or two fires.



I'm not sure now, it's not that big a deal, I'll probably still get Heart Gold, but I may get Soul Silver just for Groudon.

Yeah, thanks lol. Though I forgot one thing: both HG and SS will have Ho-oh&Lugia. Yet it doesn't ruin my explanation, because Groudon/Kyogre are still the "opposites" of the game's mascot.


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