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bobandbill August 12th, 2009 1:30 PM

Merged threads on RSE legendaries together.

.Aero August 12th, 2009 1:33 PM

If you all look at the main post of this thread now, there's a link. The link has recently been updated by the official site and it looks to me like there's a whole new area. Seems like an underground cavern. (I know for a fact it's a cave because the pictures alternate to the battle scene and the setting is cave-like)

Teapot Turret August 12th, 2009 2:22 PM

People have, indeed, been talking about this for a while. Once you get either Kyogre or Groudon, Rayquaza is enabled.

ShinyMeganium August 12th, 2009 3:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Teapot Turret (Post 4977010)
People have, indeed, been talking about this for a while. Once you get either Kyogre or Groudon, Rayquaza is enabled.

Was it "either" or "both"? Pretty sure that was "both".

Anyways, there are 1000000000 possibilities of where they'll be. One of them is a location that was excluded from GSC's Kanto cause of no space. Another is the availability of HM Dive, as a reminder of RSE. Go figure.

pokemonperson August 15th, 2009 7:05 PM

wow i didnt know this. I love those pokemon. its great that you can catch them in the games!!

Guy August 15th, 2009 7:11 PM

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Originally Posted by ShinyMeganium (Post 4977111)
Was it "either" or "both"? Pretty sure that was "both".

Anyways, there are 1000000000 possibilities of where they'll be. One of them is a location that was excluded from GSC's Kanto cause of no space. Another is the availability of HM Dive, as a reminder of RSE. Go figure.

You're correct, you must obtain both Kyogre and Groudon within one game [trading required] to access Rayquaza within the game. I was pretty surprised when I had first heard about the Hoenn Legendaries to make an appearance in the remakes a few weeks ago, but after awhile it pretty much all synced in. However, just because they will be there, it doesn't really make me consider the fact that Hoenn itself will be included within the game. Kanto is there, and a third region would be taking up space that could be used for other sole purposes. However, whether it could reference to a future remake of the third generation later in the years, I wouldn't know, but I think it could be a possibility when the game is needed again.

As to where they will be located, it is pretty hard to pinpoint. With both Kanto and Johto accessible in the game, there are quite a bit of possibilities on their location. However, Seafoam Island sounds like a decent place for Kyogre as it was the original place holder for Articuno in FireRed and LeafGreen. Although, with certain new areas who isn't to say that a new location would be unlocked for the Hoenn legendaries later on in the game. I say this because when you look at the image where Kyogre and Groudon are found, they look similar. So, their position could be in the same location, just version exclusive, like it was originally in Ruby and Sapphire. This is just a thought, but I wouldn't think of it as impossible.

Marokin August 15th, 2009 7:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Let's Get Lost Together. (Post 4992003)
You're correct, you must obtain both Kyogre and Groudon within one game [trading required] to access Rayquaza within the game. I was pretty surprised when I had first heard about the Hoenn Legendaries to make an appearance in the remakes a few weeks ago, but after awhile it pretty much all synced in. However, just because they will be there, it doesn't really make me consider the fact that Hoenn itself will be included within the game. Kanto is there, and a third region would be taking up space that could be used for other sole purposes. However, whether it could reference to a future remake of the third generation later in the years, I wouldn't know, but I think it could be a possibility when the game is needed again.

As to where they will be located, it is pretty hard to pinpoint. With both Kanto and Johto accessible in the game, there are quite a bit of possibilities on their location. However, Seafoam Island sounds like a decent place for Kyogre as it was the original place holder for Articuno in FireRed and LeafGreen. Although, with certain new areas who isn't to say that a new location would be unlocked for the Hoenn legendaries later on in the game. I say this because when you look at the image where Kyogre and Groudon are found, they look similar. So, their position could be in the same location, just version exclusive, like it was originally in Ruby and Sapphire. This is just a thought, but I wouldn't think of it as impossible.

Kyogre cant be in the Seafoam Islands because, thats where Blaine's gym was back in the originals

Guy August 15th, 2009 7:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Marokin (Post 4992036)
Kyogre cant be in the Seafoam Islands because, thats where Blaine's gym was back in the originals

That did come to my mind, but in FireRed and LeafGreen, the Seafoam Islands had two entrances, in which can be used for two different areas of the Seafoam Islands. With this being said, Kyogre could be located within one entrance later on in the game once unlocked, while Blaine be situated in the other protion of the Islands for his gym. However, even with this, who isn't to say a new area altogether would be formed just for the Hoenn legends to stay.

Not to mention, even with Blaine being located there, Seafoam Islands, just like many have thought of before just seemed like a noteable location for Kyogre to rest. I never specifically stated it would be situated there, but more so a more suited area for a large water type like itself.

sanny the hedgehog August 15th, 2009 7:44 PM

i say all of the above cause if you have one then why not have all three?

Dusty Dog August 15th, 2009 7:59 PM

did anyone think of Mt. Silver. Reasons for me thinking this:
There isn't already a Legendary Pokemon there.
You don't get both Kyogre and Groudon on one game so both will be in the same place but on different games.

Greene1516 August 15th, 2009 8:22 PM

[nf]Thing is, if you look at the screen caps for them both, Kyogre and Groudon appear to be in the same place, so I believe there is only one potential location and which one is there depends on the game, just like in RS. It would be way too awkward for them to make both games different just to have the two in different locations.[/nf]

Logiedan August 15th, 2009 8:41 PM

I heard of them. Though their locations are very unknown, I think Kyogre's and Groudon's could be the same place since HG/SS will have you only be able to capture one of them.

Pkmn-Master August 15th, 2009 11:58 PM

I think maybe you have a side quest to Hoenn only to go where Kyogre/Groudon, and Rayquaza are to catch them.

Like you go to the cave in Sootopolis City, and yeah.

iHomer August 16th, 2009 1:44 AM

Maybe the Marine Cave and the Terra Cave appear at random Routes in Kanto and Johto, maybe even the Sevii Isles.

But if I were Gamefreak I would put the three Hoenn Legendaries into Navel Rock, because Lugia and Ho-oh returned back to Johto after 3 years resting there.
Maybe we'll even see a battle between Groudon and Kyogre fighting in the sea between Vermillion City and Route 17.

Sabios August 16th, 2009 1:57 AM

I agree with Dusty Dog. I think it'll probably be Mt. Silver, if not, then where else?

Guy August 16th, 2009 8:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Sabios (Post 4993070)
I agree with Dusty Dog. I think it'll probably be Mt. Silver, if not, then where else?

Mt. Silver is an unlikely place for Kyogre and Groudon to be situated in as it is said to [probably] be the place holder for the Arceus event where the level one Palkia, Dialga, and Giratina are unlocked. So, my mind really doesn't go to the heights of Mt. Silver, but more or less to a fixed location like most have been thinking. Seeing as they are both version exclusive, and their surrounding areas from the scans seem to look similar I would think they would be located in one area, rather than two difference places. If it were to be one fixed location though, I wouldn't be surprised to it be a new area made within the game. As for Rayquaza however, the Dragon's Den does seem probabale, so we'll see.

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I think maybe you have a side quest to Hoenn only to go where Kyogre/Groudon, and Rayquaza are to catch them.

Like you go to the cave in Sootopolis City, and yeah.
I don't really agree on this. Having this idea is like placing Hoenn within the game, when it wouldn't be needed. Not to mention, the only way into Sootopolis is with a Submarine or Plane/Helicoptor, as their main lower entrance is underwater. So, I really don't think Game Freak will allow trainers to go back to one location in Hoenn for the legendary catch, when they have the option of simply placing them within Kanto or Johto itself, making the process much easier.

.little monster August 16th, 2009 9:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Sabios (Post 4993070)
I agree with Dusty Dog. I think it'll probably be Mt. Silver, if not, then where else?

I can also see there being separate cut off rooms in Mt. Silver, however there are many other places to consider. You also have to consider there being new areas.

Ashitaka August 16th, 2009 2:23 PM

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Originally Posted by xxChazxx (Post 4828562)
But will it be on the DS? If you remember, it's been one remake per system (excluding GB and GBC). I doubt that the DS will see a R/S/E remake.

You're assuming Nintendo is even planning a new handheld system. The DS continues to sell at record paces and, honestly, where else can they go? There's only so much improvement you can do graphics and sound-wise on a handheld system, and Nintendo has never been one to release a new system JUST for an improvement in raw tech specs. The unique controls, to many, are and will always be the DS's main area of interest; we all may qualify as hardcore gamers as the term is used, but the DS fits right along perfectly with the Wii's unique and accessible controls; as the GBA was coupled with the Gamecube, you can bet there won't be an actual new handheld system until there's a new main console system, and if history holds true, there wouldn't be a new one until at least 2011-2012, if at all (you have to remember that the Wii isn't a major technical improvement on the GCN, but the main reason for the Wii was the controls and the new direction Nintendo wanted to take the company and the industry).

In short, there's plenty of time for a R/S/E remake, but I DOUBT there will be one as A.) it was less popular than the GSC generation and B.) all the RSE Pokemon are already easily available and comparable with the Generation IV games due to the Pal Park function, a RSE remake would essentially just be needlessly repackaging the games with somewhat improved graphics.

giradialkia August 16th, 2009 2:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Let's Get Lost Together. (Post 4994167)
Mt. Silver is an unlikely place for Kyogre and Groudon to be situated in as it is said to [probably] be the place holder for the Arceus event where the level one Palkia, Dialga, and Giratina are unlocked.

Is that not just in a new area of the Ruins Of Alph? Shinto Ruins? I thought i read that somewhere, but I haven't been totally up to date with HGSS.
(Cut this part here out, though, sorry, i wasn't fully thinking what i was writing. In short, I agree.)
As for the RS Remake speculation, its hard for me to picture, but i think it's highly possible. After Gen 5, that's when to expect them, IMO. They'll either DSi exclusive or on the next new console, though.

Sydian August 16th, 2009 3:02 PM

Groudon in Dark Cave? That seems unlikely. I can see Kyogre being in the Seafoam Islands, though. Rayquaza at Mt. Silver is a bit hazy.

Guy August 16th, 2009 3:05 PM

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Originally Posted by giradialkia (Post 4995977)
Is that not just in a new area of the Ruins Of Alph? Shinto Ruins? I thought i read that somewhere, but I haven't been totally up to date with HGSS.
(Cut this part here out, though, sorry, i wasn't fully thinking what i was writing. In short, I agree.)
As for the RS Remake speculation, its hard for me to picture, but i think it's highly possible. After Gen 5, that's when to expect them, IMO. They'll either DSi exclusive or on the next new console, though.

Yes, it is speculated that after unlocking the Arceus event within the games from the Ruins of Alph, then the Shinto Ruins shall be opened above Mt. Silver. There are many facts that prove this to be possible, such as the remedy of it linking the connection between Mt. Coronet and Mt. Silver with Arceus' origin. Needless to say, more than likey I expect a new area to be unfolded in the remakes rather than placing Groudon and Kygore above Mt. Silver. Although, I am still open to the possibilities of the area as well as others known to the players.

As for a possible RSE remake, I wouldn't expect it anytime soon, at least not until after a 5th generation. It was noted that after the second and third generation was made, the first generation of Pokémon was remade. Then, after a thrid and fourth generation, the second generation had been remade. So, if this pattern were to follow through, then I wouldn't expect a RSE remake until after the fourth and fifth generation. It isn't impossible for the Hoenn to have a remake, but at this time it wouldn't be needed.

dylanpwnzyou August 16th, 2009 4:07 PM

=]]]] lol
and btw it comes out spring next year

Blaziquaza August 28th, 2009 3:57 AM

So,Kyogre,Groudon and Rayquaza in the games...What do you rhink?
 
For me personally,quite good.I haven't caught Rayquaza since last year(Due to lising Emerald somewhere).What do you think?

timmieboy1995 August 28th, 2009 4:22 AM

i think....this might mean that there never will come a 3rd generation remake for ds?

Lady Gaga August 28th, 2009 4:25 AM

i dont rhink anything! o.o

I know they will still make a Gen 3 remake (not for DS though), its obvious, but i gues now its just so we dont have to import Gen 4. i think every generation they try to make it soyou can get every Pokemon, and thats just what their doing. and i like it, its just a little bonus. nothing much. its not like its a whole new side-plot, just a strong monster in a cave x3


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