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Ryanniny July 9th, 2009 8:51 AM

there arent really compatability issues
because if flash & whirlpool were brought back, they're still in DPPt?
either way i doubt they'll change, but you'll have a move tutor (liek the shards one in Pt) that will teach your pokemon whirlpool

>Feelings< July 10th, 2009 7:24 AM

The original HMs from Gold/Silver/Crystal were:

HM 1 - Cut
HM 2 - Fly
HM 3 - Surf
HM 4 - Strength
HM 5 - Flash
HM 6 - Whirlpool
HM 7 - Waterfall
HM 8 - There was no 8th HM in Gold/Silver/Crystal


This time around, the HMs will be these in my opinion:

HM 1 - Cut (As it has been like in G/S/C and D/P/Pt)
HM 2 - Fly (As it has been like in G/S/C and D/P/Pt)
HM 3 - Surf (As it has been like in G/S/C and D/P/Pt)
HM 4 - Strength (As it has been like in G/S/C and D/P/Pt)
HM 5 - Headbutt (Will be explained later below)
HM 6 - Rock Smash (As it has been like in G/S/C and D/P/Pt)
HM 7 - Waterfall (As it has been like in G/S/C and D/P/Pt)
HM 8 - Whirlpool (Will be explained later below)

Now to explain HM 5 and HM 8:

Headbutt will be there instead of Flash or Defog.
Flash was only needed in Whirl Islands and Dark Cave. Just for two place, there doesn't need to be an HM for this, and it wouldn't be compatible if the TM for Flash is traded from Platinum. Flash can remain to be the TM it was, and can still have field effects in those two places or so.
And Defog is useless anyways, so it doesn't need to come back.

Whirlpool will be there instead of Rock Climb or Dive.
There was no Diving spot in the past, so there is no question of it being there.
As for Rock Climb, there was no rock climbing spots in the past either. There is no place in Kanto/Johto that actually even needs to implement Rock Climbing except Whirl Islands, Mt. Mortar and Mt.Silver. Just for three places, they won't bring it back.

Last words: Making Headbutt and Whirlpool HMs also remove the possibility of a bug occurring if TMs are traded. And Hms cannot be traded anyways. So my theory is perfect in all ways possible.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain Riolu (Post 4832291)
As much as I dislike Rock Climb, it will most likely stay, at least availability wise, hopefully cutting down on necessary climbing spots.

I don't think so, because there are no necessary rock climbing spots in Kanto or Johto at all - none was there in the past and none needs to be, since there are only three places that can be actually climbed.


Quote:

Originally Posted by giradialkia (Post 4833818)
Pokemon doesn't really contradict itself.

That really is true, even I saw. TMs can be traded, so they must do something about it.
But luckily HMs can't be traded, so there's nothing to worry about them.

But for the same reason that there might be compatibility issues, all the TMs from D/P/Pt needs to be able to be receivable by HG/SS. That means Headbutt and Whirlpool must be turned into HMs, or otherwise be given to someone who teaches move. But because these moves will have field effects and are much more important than normal moves for this, they must be with you all the time, and so need to be made into HMs.


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