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Timbjerr July 13th, 2009 12:24 PM

Red.
 
Assuming we encounter him at Mt. Silver again, do you guys think he'll be redesigned again to match the redesigns of the other main characters or retain his design from FRLG and SSBB?

silvanarrow July 13th, 2009 1:11 PM

I wouldn't be surprised if they tweaked his design a little. After all, Gold, Silver, and Professor Elm received some changes. I would be fine with them either keeping his design as is or making some minor changes, but I certainly hope they don't remake him completely, as that would kill a major part of the nostalgia factor.

Dunsparce July 13th, 2009 1:13 PM

I'm 100% Sure they'll use the FR/LG Red.

HG/SS is the sequel to FR/LG like G/S/C was the sequel to R/G/B/Y

I doubt they'd use Red's older design for this very reason.

Sweet Smoochum July 13th, 2009 1:59 PM

Even if it's a minor change such as opening the jacket for the FrLg trainer, it's fine. I just hope his Pokemon are stronger and at higher levels than Barry's.

Shaymew July 13th, 2009 2:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Dunsparce (Post 4853908)
I'm 100% Sure they'll use the FR/LG Red.

HG/SS is the sequel to FR/LG like G/S/C was the sequel to R/G/B/Y

I doubt they'd use Red's older design for this very reason.

That makes a lot of sense.....I agree with that....
P.S. :D DUNSPARCE!

kiv_umar July 13th, 2009 2:29 PM

if anything they'll probably make him look a little older, seeing as in G/S/C Red was more mature and experienced as obviously he was in R/B/Y

Nemaru July 13th, 2009 2:51 PM

Sure, the other characters have received redesigns, but Red already received his back in FR/LG. In G/S/C, they used Red's original sprite from R/B/Y, so they will use the newer look for the remake. It's original to original and remake to remake, respectively.

And I really hope they make Red's Pikachu level 90 something and his team 80+, Barry really didn't deserve to take the title of "strongest in-game trainer". Barry is a 10/11 year old that just started his journey. Red is a legendary trainer. Big difference. and plus, it would make it a bigger challenge.

PokeBabe July 13th, 2009 3:13 PM

I suppose they will. It might not be a big change, but sure they might change him up/update him a bit? Make him look a bit more like a pokemon trainer, not just a little kid with a huge baseball cap :P

3dd13 July 13th, 2009 3:48 PM

red was one of the hardest obsticles i had to overcome!

wnxvale July 13th, 2009 4:04 PM

well, seeing as how his name is RED, wouldnt his sprite look like the ones from gen 1 but remade to look a lil better???

tho i have to agree that i have a strong feeling he is going to look like FR/LG's main male protagonist...what a bore...

charizard_maa July 13th, 2009 5:17 PM

I think I they would use his FRLG design since that is the most up to date one they have of him. I don't see too much change in his design except it will be cleaner because of the DS graphics.

The only thing I am worry about concerning Red is that they will shadow out his face like they did for GS or would they make it where his face is seeable. That what made him cool when you battle him back in GS. It made him intimidating if you ask me. Going though a long cave and in the end find a mysterious character who just puts you though one of the toughest battles in the franchise. The shadowed up face just made him look tougher.

Game Over1375 July 13th, 2009 5:32 PM

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Originally Posted by charizard_maa (Post 4854626)
The only thing I am worry about concerning Red is that will the shadow out his face like they did for GS or would they make it where his face is seeable. That what made him cool when you battle him back in GS. It made him intimidating if you ask me. Going though a long cave and in the end find a mysterious character who just puts you though one of the toughest battles in the franchise. The shadowed up face just made him look tougher.

I agree!

Anyways, I just want him to have the first in-game character to have a level 100 Pokemon.

What I mean is this. After you beat him ten times, you fight a new team of his.

Pikachu Lv. 100
Charizard Lv. 96
Sceptile Lv. 96
Swampert Lv. 96
Lickylicky Lv. 92
Glaceon Lv. 94

Now THAT will be the team of nightmares!

Winson July 13th, 2009 5:48 PM

I hope they let us re-battle Red after we battled him once. The feeling of battling him is awesome. In the storyline, he is considered as The Legendary League Champion for 3 years prior to the events of G/S/C.

GodofPH July 13th, 2009 5:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Game Over1375 (Post 4854694)
I agree!

Anyways, I just want him to have the first in-game character to have a level 100 Pokemon.

What I mean is this. After you beat him ten times, you fight a new team of his.

Pikachu Lv. 100
Charizard Lv. 96
Sceptile Lv. 96
Swampert Lv. 96
Lickylicky Lv. 92
Glaceon Lv. 94

Now THAT will be the team of nightmares!

I agree with that. Red is the Champion of Kanto (who has for some reason taken to a reclusive life at the bottom of a cave, attacking people without provocation), who's to say he hasn't done a bit of traveling/training abroad? I would find it perfectly
logical for his team to have Pokemon from Hoenn/Sinnoh/Johto.

Either that, or a team of super-leveled cave Pokemon from his self-imposed exile at the bottom of Mt. Silver's caverns. :D

lx_theo July 13th, 2009 6:09 PM

Wasn't his title in g/s/c PkMnTrainer? They should make it PkMnMaster

Ayselipera July 13th, 2009 6:12 PM

Maybe they'll make him look a little older somehow. Since its suppose to be 3 years later.

Eggie Poo Poo July 13th, 2009 6:17 PM

Red should have no Hoenn or Sinnoh Pokemon, some things you should leave as is. The whole nostalgia of Red I want to relive, and so do many others I'm sure. That means he should have no Zigzagoons or Tailows or any of that cute crap.

GodofPH July 13th, 2009 6:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Eggie Poo Poo (Post 4854879)
That means he should have no Zigzagoons or Tailows or any of that cute crap.

I wasn't thinking of Tailows and Zigzagoons, I was thinking of Blazikens and Torterras. ;)

Eggie Poo Poo July 13th, 2009 6:53 PM

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Originally Posted by GodofPH (Post 4854951)
I wasn't thinking of Tailows and Zigzagoons, I was thinking of Blazikens and Torterras. ;)

NOOOO NEVER. It must be Charizards, Venusaurs, and Blastoises. Plus the epicness of his Snorlax can NOT be replaced. Plus he is a man from KANTO, not some 4th gen dude that immigrated off the life raft 2 days ago.

GodofPH July 13th, 2009 7:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Eggie Poo Poo (Post 4855001)
NOOOO NEVER. It must be Charizards, Venusaurs, and Blastoises. Plus the epicness of his Snorlax can NOT be replaced. Plus he is a man from KANTO, not some 4th gen dude that immigrated off the life raft 2 days ago.

Just because he is a man from KANTO doesn't mean the man couldn't have traveled abroad at any point in time.

But, I wouldn't mind perhaps two battles with Red. The first battle would be with his classic team, and later perhaps with a more national team.

Eggie Poo Poo July 13th, 2009 7:07 PM

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Originally Posted by GodofPH (Post 4855036)
Just because he is a man from KANTO doesn't mean the man couldn't have traveled abroad at any point in time.

But, I wouldn't mind perhaps two battles with Red. The first battle would be with his classic team, and later perhaps with a more national team.

Two battles? No the whole point was that he had one battle, it was eerie and awesome with that crazy 8-bit battle them. He wouldn't be taken seriously if he had more than one battle, plus he was strong enough he doesn't need to have level 90's to be badass.

XxDawnfanxX July 13th, 2009 7:12 PM

They will make him look very similar I think, however with the graphics being a lot better I would assume there will be some differences. I would like to see the same pose though, very mysterious looking of a very good trainer.

charizard_maa July 13th, 2009 7:28 PM

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Originally Posted by GodofPH (Post 4855036)
Just because he is a man from KANTO doesn't mean the man couldn't have traveled abroad at any point in time.

But, I wouldn't mind perhaps two battles with Red. The first battle would be with his classic team, and later perhaps with a more national team.

I agree. He shouldn't have no 3rd or 4th generation pokemon. This guy was the original Pokemon Trainer from Kanto. There is no reason for him to have those pokemon since he is basically the icon of those games. If he used 3rd and/or 4th generation pokemon then that would tarnish his look. Red was based on the anime character Ash with influences from the manga character Red (really I am not sure but it seem possible or maybe I have it switched wrong) which is why most of his pokemon were from Kanto since those were pokemon he used. I have no idea why they gave him an Espeon but still the pokemon he used were to represent the homeland that he came from.

Think of it like this. If they made sequels to the DPP games and you get to battle Diamond or Platinum then would you want them to use just 1st and 2nd generation pokemon. Of course not. It wouldn't make sense if they did use them. They should be using 4th generation pokemon. The same for Red.

Still I wouldn't mind battling the guy more then once. It be great training but it is ok if I battle him once and only once.

GodofPH July 13th, 2009 7:28 PM

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Originally Posted by XxDawnfanxX (Post 4855069)
They will make him look very similar I think, however with the graphics being a lot better I would assume there will be some differences. I would like to see the same pose though, very mysterious looking of a very good trainer.

Very good trainer or deranged mute? ;)

Sweet Smoochum July 13th, 2009 7:45 PM

That's the magic of Red. He doesn't need to say anything. If he did, they might make him sound lame. Him saying .... is part of what makes this battle against him so freaking awesome!

Sakura Rain July 13th, 2009 7:50 PM

I'd imagine they'd use the sprite from FR/LG. That's the most updated one they have, so it'd be the easiest one to use.

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Either that, or a team of super-leveled cave Pokemon from his self-imposed exile at the bottom of Mt. Silver's caverns. :D
LOLworthy. I'd love to see Red with a team of super-leveled cave Pokemon.

duckdavis July 13th, 2009 8:04 PM

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Originally Posted by charizard_maa (Post 4854626)
I think I they would use his FRLG design since that is the most up to date one they have of him. I don't see too much change in his design except it will be cleaner because of the DS graphics.

The only thing I am worry about concerning Red is that they will shadow out his face like they did for GS or would they make it where his face is seeable. That what made him cool when you battle him back in GS. It made him intimidating if you ask me. Going though a long cave and in the end find a mysterious character who just puts you though one of the toughest battles in the franchise. The shadowed up face just made him look tougher.

Not necessarily. The sprite in G/S/C of Red was the same sprite that was used for Red in Pokemon Yellow. So in my opinion they didn't really try to conceal his face.

3dd13 July 13th, 2009 8:11 PM

Red.
 
I personally think red should be renamed to ash, and that his sprite should look similar to the older anime ash! being that Red=Ash, this should work.

GodofPH July 13th, 2009 8:13 PM

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Originally Posted by 3dd13 (Post 4855211)
I personally think red should be renamed to ash, and that his sprite should look similar to the older anime ash! being that Red=Ash, this should work.

Red can keep his Pikachu, but we don't need the anime exerting too much influence on this game...

Randomizer July 13th, 2009 10:35 PM

I hope for a similar to Fire Red/Leaf Green sprite. But I'd like to see him change a bit considering Heart Gold/Soul Silver take place years after Fire Red/Leaf Green.

YellowPen July 13th, 2009 10:59 PM

What i want to know, is Red's name staying as "Red", or 'FireRed"

derozio July 13th, 2009 11:13 PM

I want him to look good. That's all. Whatever changes they make, it should make him look awesome. One more thing: He should have a good pose!;) His AI should be the highest. And about his pokemon: Levels should really rise.

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Originally Posted by YellowPen (Post 4855665)
What i want to know, is Red's name staying as "Red", or 'FireRed"

He will stay as red lol XD.

Mana July 14th, 2009 3:44 AM

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Originally Posted by 3dd13 (Post 4855211)
I personally think red should be renamed to ash, and that his sprite should look similar to the older anime ash! being that Red=Ash, this should work.


Since Pokemon are now following you around, I wouldn't be surprised if this is the case - Red with a Pikachu by his side ^^

derozio July 14th, 2009 4:47 AM

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Originally Posted by SwiftSign (Post 4855937)
Since Pokemon are now following you around, I wouldn't be surprised if this is the case - Red with a Pikachu by his side ^^

Yeah. Maybe that's true XD!

LethalTexture July 14th, 2009 6:14 AM

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Originally Posted by GymLeaderLily (Post 4854068)
Even if it's a minor change such as opening the jacket for the FrLg trainer, it's fine. I just hope his Pokemon are stronger and at higher levels than Barry's.

I agree with this 100%. Annoyed me no end that his party reached higher levels than Red's did. Red symbolises the series for me, and to have him 2nd best takes away the epicness of the battle.

I hope they employ a similar system in these games as they did in FR/LG, and have a sort of R2 mode, where the Elite Four's Pokémon get higher levels after defeating them once and a certain task is completed (i.e Ruby/Sapphire plates in FR/LG). In teh first battle, his Pokémon have the same levels as they did in the originals, and in R2 they are all 10 levels higher.

JP July 14th, 2009 6:42 AM

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Originally Posted by SwiftSign (Post 4855937)
Since Pokemon are now following you around, I wouldn't be surprised if this is the case - Red with a Pikachu by his side ^^

That's very likely! I can see it as well. Gamefreak would be fools not to utilize that Following system on Red.

As for his sprite design, I wouldn't mind a little upgrade from his FR/LG one. Like someone else said, it would only make sense for him to look pretty much the same as in the previous remakes.

~*!*~Tatsujin Gosuto~*!*~ July 14th, 2009 6:42 AM

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Originally Posted by SwiftSign (Post 4855937)
Since Pokemon are now following you around, I wouldn't be surprised if this is the case - Red with a Pikachu by his side ^^

I would love to see that, would be awesome =)


:t354:TG

Timbjerr July 14th, 2009 6:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Horizon (Post 4856211)
I hope they employ a similar system in these games as they did in FR/LG, and have a sort of R2 mode, where the Elite Four's Pokémon get higher levels after defeating them once and a certain task is completed (i.e Ruby/Sapphire plates in FR/LG). In teh first battle, his Pokémon have the same levels as they did in the originals, and in R2 they are all 10 levels higher.

Don't you think 10 is a little too low? I'm thinking more like twenty (putting their pokemon in the range of lvl.60-70). Of course, you have to beat the eight Kanto gym leaders before rematching them, and only after beating the E4 again can you face Red (team upped in level such that his signature Pikachu is lvl.91)

Dominus Temporis July 14th, 2009 7:04 AM

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Originally Posted by charizard_maa (Post 4855096)
Red was based on the anime character Ash with influences from the manga character Red (really I am not sure but it seem possible or maybe I have it switched wrong) which is why most of his pokemon were from Kanto since those were pokemon he used. I have no idea why they gave him an Espeon but still the pokemon he used were to represent the homeland that he came from.

Nope, game Red was first. Ash and manga Red and all other variations came after, but the Red in the game was the original.

As for why he has an Espeon, look at it this way: all his members were one-time events in Yellow (well, you could get Snorlax twice, but whatever). Since Electric, Water, and Fire were already covered in his team, it wouldn't make sense to have Flareon/Jolteon/Vaporeon in his team, and I guess they just chose Espeon over Umbreon.

I figure Red will be in his FRLG incarnation, maybe in the original pose for nostalgia's sake, and his team will be the same, just with higher levels. I think the Platinum rival's team was just a way of saying "hey, see what we're doing here? Yeah, wait until you see what we're doing next." Of course Red is going to once again be the most powerful challenger. Why wouldn't he be?

derozio July 14th, 2009 7:13 AM

I liked Red's FRLG sprite but I think that some changes may be made in his sprite to make him look better. I personally think that there is room for improvement.

TheOnion July 14th, 2009 10:07 AM

It would be great if they made him a new sprite as I didn't really like the FR/LG one that much.

Zhorm July 14th, 2009 10:54 AM

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I'd expect something like the one below...
I know it looks bad, but hey, 3 minutes of work >_<

About his team, i think it should stay the same, but with higher lvls. Not something like LV91 Pikachu, I think about 5-6 LVs would be enough. And we should be able to battle him more than once in the game, maybe everytime you OWND E4 10 times? His look should NOT be FRBG, I didn't like that one. The pose he had in GSC was good, they should only re-colour it and - BAM! Better Red ^^

charizard_maa July 14th, 2009 3:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Dominus Temporis (Post 4856352)
Nope, game Red was first. Ash and manga Red and all other variations came after, but the Red in the game was the original.

As for why he has an Espeon, look at it this way: all his members were one-time events in Yellow (well, you could get Snorlax twice, but whatever). Since Electric, Water, and Fire were already covered in his team, it wouldn't make sense to have Flareon/Jolteon/Vaporeon in his team, and I guess they just chose Espeon over Umbreon.

I figure Red will be in his FRLG incarnation, maybe in the original pose for nostalgia's sake, and his team will be the same, just with higher levels. I think the Platinum rival's team was just a way of saying "hey, see what we're doing here? Yeah, wait until you see what we're doing next." Of course Red is going to once again be the most powerful challenger. Why wouldn't he be?

Well I meant that either Ash or Red from the manga came first after the game. I wasn't sure. Still I figured that the Espeon was paying homage to the manga Red since that came before the anime and they were making his team to be based on pokemon he had in the manga or to pay homage to the anime. Or just a combination of the both. Still I didn't think about how you said it.

Sweet Smoochum July 14th, 2009 3:42 PM

Isn't Red's default human name Ash? So it's perfectly fine to call Red, "Ash."

Default Names:
Red
Ash
Jack

Also....RAISE YOUR HAND IF YOU THINK RED DESERVES AN ANIMATION.

*Raises both hands.*

Retro Bug July 14th, 2009 3:43 PM

Does anyone have a picture of Red's GSC sprite?

I just hope that his levels beat Barry's level, like many people.

Stronkadonk July 14th, 2009 3:44 PM

I think that they will be keeping his original look, but if not, he will only be slightly altered.

Sweet Smoochum July 14th, 2009 3:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Discostick. (Post 4858015)
Does anyone have a picture of Red's GSC sprite?

I just hope that his levels beat Barry's level, like many people.

Yes, I do. (I also recolored his sprite as well. :)

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g147/KartWheelyGirl/RED-1.png

(Credit goes to spriters-resource for original.)

I agree. I want his levels to surpass that of Barry's. Barry hasn't earned what Red has earned.

Retro Bug July 14th, 2009 3:56 PM

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Originally Posted by GymLeaderLily (Post 4858043)
Yes, I do. (I also recolored his sprite as well. :)

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g147/KartWheelyGirl/RED-1.png

(Credit goes to spriters-resource for original.)

I agree. I want his levels to surpass that of Barry's. Barry hasn't earned what Red has earned.

Thanks! I accidentally said the wrong thing, I meant his FrLg sprite.

Sweet Smoochum July 14th, 2009 3:59 PM

It's on this page.

http://www.spriters-resource.com/gameboy_advance/pokefrlg/sheet/3689

Personally, I like his old look better.

ShinyMeganium July 14th, 2009 4:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Timbjerr (Post 4853767)
Assuming we encounter him at Mt. Silver again, do you guys think he'll be redesigned again to match the redesigns of the other main characters or retain his design from FRLG and SSBB?

I think they'll use the FRLG design, maybe something would be slightly different...but what the hell is SSBB again?

Timbjerr July 14th, 2009 4:52 PM

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Originally Posted by ShinyMeganium (Post 4858196)
I think they'll use the FRLG design, maybe something would be slightly different...but what the hell is SSBB again?

SSBB=Super Smash Bros. Brawl...Red showed up as a playable character there with his FRLG design...

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/images/pokemon_trainer/pokemon_trainer_070813a.jpg

>Feelings< July 14th, 2009 8:56 PM

I, for one, hope that his new design is based 60% on the one from G/S/C, which is also very close to the one from R/B/Y. 15% should be taken from the one in FR/LG.
For the other 25%, it should be totally new elements. I just hope the new design is great.
For the one in G/S/C, I just loved the pose and the way it looked

derozio July 14th, 2009 11:08 PM

I really don't care as long as Red looks good. They can make any changes but he should look good.

23usernamebob July 14th, 2009 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Eggie Poo Poo (Post 4855001)
NOOOO NEVER. It must be Charizards, Venusaurs, and Blastoises. Plus the epicness of his Snorlax can NOT be replaced. Plus he is a man from KANTO, not some 4th gen dude that immigrated off the life raft 2 days ago.

But red is based on ash right???
so why not
i think its a good idea for him to a torterra after you beat him a few times, to keep the game fresh

Sweet Smoochum July 14th, 2009 11:59 PM

I don't mind what Pokemon they give him as long as Leaf doesn't replace him in Mount Silver. I just would like if his original team was there for the first time I battle him. It can change later on. I don't mind. I just want my first/last battle with him to be like old times sake. (It's like seeing an old friend.)

derozio July 15th, 2009 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by 23usernamebob (Post 4859210)
But red is based on ash right???
so why not
i think its a good idea for him to a torterra after you beat him a few times, to keep the game fresh

I am sorry but red's not based off Ash. Actually Ash is based off Red. What you said was totally opposite. And I too think that Red should have the same team but with higher levels and good moves(not to forget good AI too! XD).

LethalTexture July 15th, 2009 12:18 AM

People seem to forget that the anime is based on the games, and NOT the other way around.

invisible-chan July 15th, 2009 2:37 AM

He's gunna be flipped and recolored! Yay! XD I you don't understand what I mean, the Yellow trainer sprite was the same one used GSC, only flipped and recolored to be completely Red. Check it out on Bulbapedia. No link for you. =P

Seriously though, they're probably only going to make it a longer/taller sprite to match up with the rest of the DPPT/HGSS sprites.

Boonzeet July 17th, 2009 1:05 PM

I hope they keep him the same, but perhaps level him up a little. Like with the rival in DPPlt, each time you fight him he levels a little.

Roxasabridged July 17th, 2009 1:06 PM

I would like his sprite to be much more similar to his R/B/Y version, it looks much cooler.

And maybe give him a 'custom' Pikachu. It has higher stats than normal Pikachu's (And maybe Raichu's) plus Surf for a true challenge. And don't send it out first.

Mōnštȝr¿ July 17th, 2009 2:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Timbjerr (Post 4853767)
Assuming we encounter him at Mt. Silver again, do you guys think he'll be redesigned again to match the redesigns of the other main characters or retain his design from FRLG and SSBB?

I would hope so. I think it would certainly add more "Woo" to the game.

Sweet Smoochum July 17th, 2009 3:13 PM

I want Red's Pikachu to know Volt Tackle. It must be stronger than Barry's strongest Pokemon.

Red July 17th, 2009 5:42 PM

One thing about all of this... The Red in Gold/Silver/Crystal isn't the same Red as in FireRed/LeafGreen or even Red/Blue/Green, he is the Red from Pokémon Yellow. The one that got a Pikachu as a starter and had all three of the Kanto starters. Which wasn't the case in FireRed/LeafGreen and would be sort of weird for it being a sequel to FireRed/LeafGreen.


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