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Spherical Ice September 4th, 2010 4:20 AM

-says hello to Manip's little friend-

Cool new forum. Would things like Gary's Pikachu hack thing belong there?

Anyway, I'm sure it'll empty up PH and HS a little, eh?

Ninja Caterpie September 4th, 2010 4:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Spherical Ice (Post 6128030)
-says hello to Manip's little friend-

Cool new forum. Would things like Gary's Pikachu hack thing belong there?

Anyway, I'm sure it'll empty up PH and HS a little, eh?

No, Gary's Pikachu hack is a super-serious hack of awesome!!!!!!!!1111111 what are you talking about!!!!!!!!!111111111

and no, it won't nobody reads these days. D:

Spherical Ice September 4th, 2010 5:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Ninja Caterpie (Post 6128044)
No, Gary's Pikachu hack is a super-serious hack of awesome!!!!!!!!1111111 what are you talking about!!!!!!!!!111111111

and no, it won't nobody reads these days. D:

o sos i forgot i though the secion was 4 supa sik hacks!!!! ;)

You're probably right, but, eh.

What about X versions of hacks (made by people that aren't the original authors, but have permission)?

Surf September 12th, 2010 8:17 PM

Hey, did anyone ever work out a Take Pokemon script?
I don't think I saw the end of that one.

Satoshi Ookami September 13th, 2010 6:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Surf (Post 6150879)
Hey, did anyone ever work out a Take Pokemon script?
I don't think I saw the end of that one.

Metapod did it (I guess xD) in his AshGrey hack.
Since you sometimes lose your pokemon.

Oxnite September 13th, 2010 7:16 AM

I've got a question. I'm sorry if this is not the right place to ask this, but I couldn't find a better place.

Say I want to start a new hack right now. Which Rom Base do you prefer?

I personally would say Emerald - Battle Frontier, animated sprites, more advanced double battling style..

What's your advise? Is it for example better for me to start with hacking Fire Red?

Logan September 13th, 2010 7:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Surf (Post 6150879)
Hey, did anyone ever work out a Take Pokemon script?
I don't think I saw the end of that one.

HackMew wrote an ASM routine that deals with it.

Binary September 13th, 2010 7:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Oxnite (Post 6151668)
I've got a question. I'm sorry if this is not the right place to ask this, but I couldn't find a better place.

Say I want to start a new hack right now. Which Rom Base do you prefer?

I personally would say Emerald - Battle Frontier, animated sprites, more advanced double battling style..

What's your advise? Is it for example better for me to start with hacking Fire Red?

I've worked with most except for Emerald and I've come to conclusion that they all have their ups and downs. You might want to experiment with all of them until you find one that suites you best; and you're more accustomed to. I can't say that it's best you start out with Firered. It's just a matter of opinion. If you want to go with Emerald, then go for it. ;D

Oxnite September 13th, 2010 8:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Binary (Post 6151716)
I've worked with most except for Emerald and I've come to conclusion that they all have their ups and downs. You might want to experiment with all of them until you find one that suites you best; and you're more accustomed to. I can't say that it's best you start out with Firered. It's just a matter of opinion. If you want to go with Emerald, then go for it. ;D

Alright, sounds like some good advise!

I think I'll try Emerald in that case; I love the way the 'two-side / two-way' Double Battles work. I like the moving sprites as well, it gives the game a nice touch.

Does somebody have concrete differences or difficulties between hacking Emerald and FireRed?

PureGoober September 13th, 2010 1:32 PM

Would you play a hack that has miniscule mapping and no scripting done to it?

altariaking September 13th, 2010 1:43 PM

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Originally Posted by PureGoober (Post 6152440)
Would you play a hack that has miniscule mapping and no scripting done to it?

Probably not.
If you're just starting out then just mess about with tools for a while until you get the hang of it, then move one up and start learning to script with XSE, then try messing about with a hex editor, then ASM and stuff, but never, NEVER, rush into a hack. I've seen so many people do this and it always ended up bad. There are tutorials in the appropriate section for starting out.

Alignment September 13th, 2010 5:06 PM

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Originally Posted by altariaking (Post 6152485)


Probably not.
If you're just starting out then just mess about with tools for a while until you get the hang of it, then move one up and start learning to script with XSE, then try messing about with a hex editor, then ASM and stuff, but never, NEVER, rush into a hack. I've seen so many people do this and it always ended up bad. There are tutorials in the appropriate section for starting out.

I'd pretty much agree with that. Though for a first hack, you might want to do a "mini-project" kinda thing with the new Sub forum. I mean since it's there you might as well use it for something small. Back on topic, I wouldn't rush a hack, it's just lame and people make look down on you if your hack's full of errors. So my answer would be no, I wouldn't play a hack without scripts and minuscule mapping. It's just not worth the time. On the other hand I don't even play other people's hacks (I've only played shiny gold D: )

Alignment September 13th, 2010 5:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Team Fail (Post 6153239)
Well, branching off of this, What if I was to make a mini-hack, kinda like a tech demo? A shortened version of a game?

I guess I'd depend on what the mini hack was about, if it was just minor text edits and maps, with a poor story/purpose, then no. I'd guess it'd have to be a good idea for someone to actually play. What do you have in mind?

Alignment September 14th, 2010 3:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Team Fail (Post 6153294)
Like some basic scripts, a set of new maps, maybe a gym leader, some easter eggs, whatnot. Not a minor edit, but new maps and all. A miniature version of a full hack. It would take a few hours to play, and there would be hidden extras.

Basic scripts? As in simple talking or is there more?

I might play it if the playability of the maps and the hidden extras make up for the scripting. Though you should take the extra effort to actually learn more about scripting, before attempting this.

Ninja Caterpie September 14th, 2010 4:08 AM

Hey, that seems almost so perfect, it's like advertising for the Sideshow Showcase!

It sounds nice though; all the stuff in the Showcase ATM is just "Fire Red +", "Platinum v3.14", "Revamped Red", etc.

NiKaNoRoU September 14th, 2010 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Team Fail (Post 6153294)
Like some basic scripts, a set of new maps, maybe a gym leader, some easter eggs, whatnot. Not a minor edit, but new maps and all. A miniature version of a full hack. It would take a few hours to play, and there would be hidden extras.

To be honest, I wouldn't play this hack. Imo, mini-projects shouldn't be 'mini-gym-leader-based-hacks'. But other stuff. I would like to see a Rocket Hack as a mini project, because if it's like that, you can concentrate a lot more on all kinds of stuff, instead of just expanding and expanding over a region.

Spherical Ice September 14th, 2010 11:45 AM

I'd like to see an adaptation of one of the games in another region. For example, everything that happens in Ruby, just in Kanto (obviously with some things changed - perhaps Team Magma are at Mt. Ember instead. XD) That'd be a cool mini-project or something.

Also, has anyone managed to insert new tiles with separate animations in FireRed. I heard it was possible, and I know colcol posted something regarding it in Emerald, but it'd be interesting to see (I believe Sienna has done it, but I'm not sure).

altariaking September 14th, 2010 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Spherical Ice (Post 6154841)
I'd like to see an adaptation of one of the games in another region. For example, everything that happens in Ruby, just in Kanto (obviously with some things changed - perhaps Team Magma are at Mt. Ember instead. XD) That'd be a cool mini-project or something.

Also, has anyone managed to insert new tiles with separate animations in FireRed. I heard it was possible, and I know colcol posted something regarding it in Emerald, but it'd be interesting to see (I believe Sienna has done it, but I'm not sure).

LU-HO made a tool for it at WAH

Logan September 14th, 2010 12:26 PM

Yeah; unfortunately he did. Takes away what could have been a unique feature in some hacks.

Ninja Caterpie September 14th, 2010 10:27 PM

uhm, yeah, that's great. I can make one of those too. Sounds mighty fishy to me, tbh. Can't be OPENED?

...what's its size, by the way? Just curious.

Wichu September 15th, 2010 6:25 AM

I doubt it's real. How do you know it's a DS ROM? Just having the .nds extension doesn't prove anything. You'd expect it to use the standard DS file system anyway.

colcolstyles September 16th, 2010 6:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Oxnite (Post 6151668)
I've got a question. I'm sorry if this is not the right place to ask this, but I couldn't find a better place.

Say I want to start a new hack right now. Which Rom Base do you prefer?

I personally would say Emerald - Battle Frontier, animated sprites, more advanced double battling style..

What's your advise? Is it for example better for me to start with hacking Fire Red?

No base ROM is the best by any means. Certain ones have advantages in various areas, though. HackMew compiled a list of the most obvious features that each game has. It can be found here.

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Originally Posted by Manipulation (Post 6154928)
Yeah; unfortunately he did. Takes away what could have been a unique feature in some hacks.

Of course, the same could be said for every other aspect of "hacking" for which we have a tool that automates the process. But I don't see you complaining about everybody using AdvanceMap.

Now, that's not to say that I'm not opposed to the tool. Given that tile animation was the first of only a handful of discoveries that I have made, it probably upsets me more than most people. Still, hacking evolves as our knowledge of the ROM expands and really, it was only a matter of time before this happened.

Alignment September 26th, 2010 5:42 PM

I'd say the conversation before pretty much died.


What do you guys think an ideal first beta should be like?

I think it'd be anywhere between 45 to 75 minutes of game play. Longer betas, I think, tend to show more of that good old "hacker's dedication". I've seen shorter first betas but I think that the ones a little longer leave you wanting more. Unless of course the hack turned out to be you walking through an endless field of Pokemon grass. Not only is it the amount of game play needed but also the quality as well. I tend to like playing hacks with excellent scripts, maps and tiles (I like decompile the ones I wouldn't know how to do).

Shiny Quagsire September 26th, 2010 6:19 PM

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Originally Posted by colcolstyles (Post 4857562)
all R/S/E and FR/LG music plus select tracks from G/S and even Crystal. I mean, what's not to love?

Ruby and Sapphire also have the G/S music too. :)


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Originally Posted by Manipulation (Post 6154928)
Yeah; unfortunately he did. Takes away what could have been a unique feature in some hacks.

Hardly anyone's been able to figure it out. Luckily, I did :)

TB Pro September 26th, 2010 6:29 PM

I have an idea for a side project, or perhaps a smaller version of it implemented into a full hack. Okay, we've all played Zelda, right? Right, so, what if there was a free-roaming-esque Pokemon game? There would be a path you would have to loosely follow(due to lv.70 Pokemon vs. your lv. 10), but you technically could go anywhere, and battle anyone whenever you wanted. Also, it wouldn't be laid out in a linear sort of fashion like Pokemon games are, it would truely be one big open area. Right, some areas would take on linear paths to go certain places, but most of the world in a wide free-roaming expanse. If you would like me to elaborate further, just ask. :3


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