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colcolstyles September 26th, 2010 6:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Alignment (Post 6184526)
What do you guys think an ideal first beta should be like?

I think a first beta (this is assuming that the author is planning on releasing betas and not a single, final version) should contain a couple hours of gameplay. Two gyms, or the equivalent, is the minimum in my opinion. Otherwise, it isn't worth catching a training a team just to have to start over for the next beta.

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Originally Posted by TB Pro (Post 6184619)
I have an idea for a side project, or perhaps a smaller version of it implemented into a full hack. Okay, we've all played Zelda, right? Right, so, what if there was a free-roaming-esque Pokemon game? There would be a path you would have to loosely follow(due to lv.70 Pokemon vs. your lv. 10), but you technically could go anywhere, and battle anyone whenever you wanted. Also, it wouldn't be laid out in a linear sort of fashion like Pokemon games are, it would truely be one big open area. Right, some areas would take on linear paths to go certain places, but most of the world in a wide free-roaming expanse. If you would like me to elaborate further, just ask. :3

If I recall correctly, Darthatron (amongst others) had an idea very similar to this a while back. Obviously a number of things would have to be changed. The first thing that comes to mind is the problem of battles; a system would have to be created so that the levels of wild pokémon and trainers' pokémon would increase as the player's pokémon's levels increased. I can't think of anything else at the moment but I'm sure that if you put some effort into it, you would quickly find that a lot of other things need to be changed as well. All I can say is that if you attempt this, you won't be able to get very far if you treat it as a "side project". It's too ambitious for anything less than a full-time commitment.

TB Pro September 26th, 2010 6:57 PM

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Originally Posted by colcolstyles (Post 6184649)
If I recall correctly, Darthatron (amongst others) had an idea very similar to this a while back. Obviously a number of things would have to be changed. The first thing that comes to mind is the problem of battles; a system would have to be created so that the levels of wild pokémon and trainers' pokémon would increase as the player's pokémon's levels increased. I can't think of anything else at the moment but I'm sure that if you put some effort into it, you would quickly find that a lot of other things need to be changed as well. All I can say is that if you attempt this, you won't be able to get very far if you treat it as a "side project". It's too ambitious for anything less than a full-time commitment.

I didn't plan on having people or wild Pokemon level with you, they would serve as the guidance, but not nessisarily(sp?) a border. I agree with you though, it would take a lot of effort and time, and would be better served as a full-fledged hack. Maybe this is something for the RMXP community? I don't know, but I always though it would be cool to have such a thing.

NiKaNoRoU September 27th, 2010 3:04 AM

Putting Game Dev aside, you first need to have the knowledge and then move onto what to change. As an idea it's good, but it'll need a lot of attention.

And yeah, not a side project. On the other side, basing such a hack on a LoZ game could create a hybrid between the normal and the Mystery Dungeon games. What do you think?

TB Pro September 27th, 2010 4:12 AM

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Originally Posted by NiKaNoRoU (Post 6185187)
Putting Game Dev aside, you first need to have the knowledge and then move onto what to change. As an idea it's good, but it'll need a lot of attention.

And yeah, not a side project. On the other side, basing such a hack on a LoZ game could create a hybrid between the normal and the Mystery Dungeon games. What do you think?

I hated the Mystery Dungeon games so, for me, no, but that's just me being biased.

Spherical Ice September 27th, 2010 11:49 AM

That reminds me of Cello's old hack, Crossroads!. That was a kind of free-roaming hack.

TB Pro September 27th, 2010 1:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Spherical Ice (Post 6185803)
That reminds me of Cello's old hack, Crossroads!. That was a kind of free-roaming hack.

Ah yeah now that you mention it, it does seem similar, though what I planned would be a lot more free-roaming.

NiKaNoRoU September 30th, 2010 9:33 AM

Okay guys, I've seen enough. I really would like to know your opinion on whether gen V Pokemon in hacks are good or bad, and why.

Spherical Ice September 30th, 2010 9:52 AM

There's always the problem of movesets needing to be changed and abilities to be changed, but to be honest, I quite like the new Pokémon so I'd like to see them in hacks. It's alright now anyway as people have yet to form strategies with movepools so I can hardly see a problem. Anyway, I'm for it, even if it may be biased (because I like the Pokémon; not so much in Gen IV).

TB Pro September 30th, 2010 3:47 PM

Just curious why the Progressing Hacks and Hacks Showcase are now located under Emulation? I preferred it better when they were under ROM Hacking. I can't seem to find my way to any of the threads/sections that I most visit in near as timely of manner as before, that may just be me, though.
EDIT: And all the rest of the sub-sections, for that matter.

Alignment September 30th, 2010 4:06 PM

Yeah I'd pretty much agree.
The Progressing hacks and Slideshow place are both sub forums of the Hacks Showcase (Which I can't understand why).
It's pretty hard to navigate. The beginners lounge was a good idea though, not that any beginner can find it.

EDIT: The new design reminded me of this video http://www.theonion.com/video/apple-introduces-revolutionary-new-laptop-with-no,14299/

Nurse Barbra September 30th, 2010 5:31 PM

Am i the only one hating the change?
like seriousally. if a system has worked for over 2+ years, why change it. its like in a supermarket when they change all the asles. it just disorintates and discourages people from going back there to shop.

NiKaNoRoU September 30th, 2010 5:46 PM

I personally don't mind. It's not like I can't find where each forum is. On the other hand, I think that the beginners' lounge is a great move!

Crimson Stardust October 1st, 2010 6:08 AM

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Originally Posted by NiKaNoRoU (Post 6194012)
I personally don't mind. It's not like I can't find where each forum is. On the other hand, I think that the beginners' lounge is a great move!

I agree with this abit..its not like we can't find them,
but i still prefer the old style,they are much better organised in my opinion,
the beginners lounge is a good idea,but the change in arrangement is not,i hope the mods will change it back..xD

Spherical Ice October 1st, 2010 7:56 AM

I don't mind the rearrangement with PH, HS and SS, but I think they should go back under ROM Hacking (maybe merge RH and Emulation and call it ROM Hacking and Emulation).

Binary October 1st, 2010 8:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Spherical Ice (Post 6194965)
Maybe merge RH and Emulation and call it ROM Hacking and Emulation.

I agree with you on that point, since Beginners Lounge, Team Discussions etc. don't really come under Emulation. The main forum should be Rom Hacking.

That's the only thing that bothers me. Apart from that, I'm completely fine with the new layout.

Ninja Caterpie October 1st, 2010 7:23 PM

urk. I used to go straight to ROM Hacking from the main page, but now I can't if I want to see the hacks and/or teams. D: Confusing (not to mention the changes don't make sense, aside from to lessen the amount of sub-forums of ROM Hacking), but I'll get used to it.

Although, couldn't you have a sub-section of ROM Hacking with "Hacks Directory" or something (with hack discussions and/or walkthroughs, etc in there?) and have more subsections in there being Showcase, Sideshow and Progressing.

TB Pro October 1st, 2010 8:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Ninja Caterpie (Post 6196196)
urk. I used to go straight to ROM Hacking from the main page, but now I can't if I want to see the hacks and/or teams. D: Confusing (not to mention the changes don't make sense, aside from to lessen the amount of sub-forums of ROM Hacking), but I'll get used to it.

Although, couldn't you have a sub-section of ROM Hacking with "Hacks Directory" or something (with hack discussions and/or walkthroughs, etc in there?) and have more subsections in there being Showcase, Sideshow and Progressing.

This. NC has a great point, that system would work a lot better than the current one.

Dr. POP October 2nd, 2010 1:35 PM

I'm also quite confused with the new layout. The beginner's lounge forum is OK, but, the rest is kind of annoying. I propose returning to the old, with an extra subforum under 'ROM hacking' being 'beginner's lounge'.

Darthatron October 2nd, 2010 4:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Ninja Caterpie (Post 6196196)
urk. I used to go straight to ROM Hacking from the main page, but now I can't if I want to see the hacks and/or teams. D: Confusing (not to mention the changes don't make sense, aside from to lessen the amount of sub-forums of ROM Hacking), but I'll get used to it.

Although, couldn't you have a sub-section of ROM Hacking with "Hacks Directory" or something (with hack discussions and/or walkthroughs, etc in there?) and have more subsections in there being Showcase, Sideshow and Progressing.

I could not agree more. The new system is annoying. I have ROM Hacking bookmarked for a reason,,, Or at least, there used to be a reason. Your idea is a much better option.

TB Pro October 3rd, 2010 8:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Team Fail (Post 6199930)
I agree. I liked the old system. I was used to going to ROM Hacking to get to the Simple Questions sticky, where it always was. If they had a shadow of the sticky in Rom Hacking, and moved it to the beginner's lounge, then I'd be happy.

Not only that, but move the Hacks Showcase back into ROM Hacking. I don't mind Progressing Hacks and Sideshow Showcase being in the Hacks Showcase, but it needs to be under ROM Hacking. Also, Team Discussions should be located under ROM Hacking again.

On another note, I do like the idea of the Beginner's Corner.

Ninja Caterpie October 3rd, 2010 7:53 PM

Just a question on the Sideshow Showcase; I'm working on this sort of mini FE hack. It's a (mostly) total revamp of the game, but it only goes for 11 chapters. Most FE games go for like 2x chapters, so I'm wondering whether this would go in the proper Showcase or be a Sideshow? I mean, it's got a full storyline and all, but would it be considered big enough?

It's the equivalent length in Pokemon of, say, a Mystery Dungeon DS hack that's as long as the game up until the end of the first big Expedition thing.

NarutoActor October 5th, 2010 5:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Darthatron (Post 6198469)
I could not agree more. The new system is annoying. I have ROM Hacking bookmarked for a reason,,, Or at least, there used to be a reason. Your idea is a much better option.

I did the same thing, just to come back one day all discombobulated. This new system feels very disorganized, and missed placed.

colcolstyles October 8th, 2010 6:29 PM

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Originally Posted by NiKaNoRoU (Post 6192986)
Okay guys, I've seen enough. I really would like to know your opinion on whether gen V Pokemon in hacks are good or bad, and why.

I don't think one can say definitively whether they're "good" or "bad". It's really subjective. Personally, I won't play any hacks with 5th generation pokémon simply because I'm trying to avoid them as much as possible until Black & White come out here in the States. But it's not up to me; it's up to the hacker.


As for the whole new Emulation format issue, I think it will all blow over eventually. I mean, I dislike the new layout just as much as the next guy but I don't see the point in complaining about it. When the Progressing Hacks forum was first introduced, there were some really nasty arguments about what it would do to Emulation but in the long run, it seems to have performed pretty well. However, I do think that the staff has over-organized the forum by having too many sub-forums. Having Progressing Hacks and the Sideshow Showcase inside the Hacks Showcase is unnecessary in my opinion. Furthermore, I don't like the new "ROM Hacking". I, like others, believe that the Hacks Showcase should have remained in ROM Hacking. However, on the other hand, I'm completely lost as to why Toolbox is inside ROM Hacking. Seems counterintuitive to me but I don't make the decisions.

Exon October 8th, 2010 7:02 PM

I do agree that the format is fairly odd. But I thing the main thing that strikes me odd is what's actually IN the beginner's forum. EVERY SINGLE THREAD has been locked within it so far. Yes, with reason, but still. . . it doesn't bode well for the new forum.

colcolstyles October 8th, 2010 7:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Exon (Post 6210708)
I do agree that the format is fairly odd. But I thing the main thing that strikes me odd is what's actually IN the beginner's forum. EVERY SINGLE THREAD has been locked within it so far. Yes, with reason, but still. . . it doesn't bode well for the new forum.

Haha, yeah I noticed that too. It makes you wonder what the forum is supposed to be used for. So far, the only reason why I check that forum is for the Help threads. I think some of the threads in the ROM Hacking main forum (e.g., how you found out about hacking, favorite world environment, etc.) could be moved there but other than that, the forum doesn't seem to be serving any real purpose.


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