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TB Pro October 8th, 2010 9:00 PM

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Originally Posted by colcolstyles (Post 6210807)
Haha, yeah I noticed that too. It makes you wonder what the forum is supposed to be used for. So far, the only reason why I check that forum is for the Help threads. I think some of the threads in the ROM Hacking main forum (e.g., how you found out about hacking, favorite world environment, etc.) could be moved there but other than that, the forum doesn't seem to be serving any real purpose.

Indeed, the idea sounds good, but in practice it doesn't really work very well. I still wish they would move everything back the way it was before, but I guess that's never gonna happen, so we better get used to the way it is.

Crimson Stardust October 8th, 2010 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by TB Pro (Post 6210917)
Indeed, the idea sounds good, but in practice it doesn't really work very well. I still wish they would move everything back the way it was before, but I guess that's never gonna happen, so we better get used to the way it is.

hahax..yeah,we need to get use to it..
i seriously believe the scrapbox was better in a way that it gives new hackers to post their ideas and people can discuss,[excluding the spams/not logical threads that were made],but people from the scrapbox,for me that is,their hack improved when it was moved to the progrssing hacks as during the time at scrapbox,people have given ideas,sugestion..etc..
But thats what i think,the beginner lounge is also a good idea but as we all see,there been locked threads there instead of good threads that are made..

colcolstyles October 9th, 2010 4:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Crimson Stardust (Post 6211038)

hahax..yeah,we need to get use to it..
i seriously believe the scrapbox was better in a way that it gives new hackers to post their ideas and people can discuss,[excluding the spams/not logical threads that were made],but people from the scrapbox,for me that is,their hack improved when it was moved to the progrssing hacks as during the time at scrapbox,people have given ideas,sugestion..etc..
But thats what i think,the beginner lounge is also a good idea but as we all see,there been locked threads there instead of good threads that are made..

Well, the Scrapbox was a fantastic forum... in theory. However, in practice it just turned into a spambox (pun definitely intended) that was a burden for the moderators to check on every day. If you could come with a system for people to post ideas that wouldn't end up like the previous Scrapbox, I'm sure the staff would be glad to hear it.

chrunch October 10th, 2010 3:32 PM

I was dissapointed when they closed the scrapbox. The only problem was that everyone kept abusing it, it would have worked much better if the scrapbox threads needed to be approved, and if they had some more rules. but it's gone now, if people had treated it better, it'd probably still be here today. D:

About the beginner lounge, I think what's the point of it if every thread a beginner made has been locked?

NarutoActor October 15th, 2010 2:06 PM

The removal of the scrapbox was the best idea ever! The moving of the threads is silly, it mixes emulation, and rom hacking in a weird way.

Flowerchild October 15th, 2010 3:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Binary (Post 6195016)
I agree with you on that point, since Beginners Lounge, Team Discussions etc. don't really come under Emulation. The main forum should be Rom Hacking.

That's the only thing that bothers me. Apart from that, I'm completely fine with the new layout.

I agree with this, I don't really like the new layout, it's just confusing and inconveniant. I really think they should change it back, and call Emulation "Rom Hacking and Emulation", as suggested by Spherical Ice.

Satoshi Ookami October 16th, 2010 12:30 AM

Even if want to return to good old days of emulation zone, moderators decided to do it in the way it is now, so even if we complain, we must accept it =)
But personally I don't hate the new style ;) I think it's better for newbies =)

Alignment October 20th, 2010 5:30 PM

Well, the new layout doesn't really look like it's changing any time soon. Other than that, I'm getting quite used to it about now (so I don't mind as much).

I do have a new discussion topic though. What is your input about giving the player the ability to speak. What I mean is giving the player speech. I'm actually against the idea, I think that the Player should stay a mysterious character, however, the Player saying '...' instead of speech is a different story in my opinion. You could even make it seem like the person the player is conversing or saying '...' to is actually responding to he player. Example:
Man: Why do you think ROM hacking is fun?
Player: ... .. ....
Man: That's true, but mapping isn't really hacking.

Which I think it more than enough (because it feels weird when I play as the player and he says stuff).

Like to hear some of your thoughts :)

Ninja Caterpie October 20th, 2010 10:09 PM

It feels weird to have you talking, even with just "...", mostly because the character is a representation of you in this world. It's not some other character, it's really meant to be you. That's what that whole introduction with a severe lack of fourth wall is for. I don't say anything besides YES/NO or one of the multichoices, so I don't want the game to say anything aside from those in my stead.

colcolstyles October 22nd, 2010 5:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Alignment (Post 6236032)
I do have a new discussion topic though. What is your input about giving the player the ability to speak. What I mean is giving the player speech. I'm actually against the idea, I think that the Player should stay a mysterious character, however, the Player saying '...' instead of speech is a different story in my opinion. You could even make it seem like the person the player is conversing or saying '...' to is actually responding to he player. Example:
Man: Why do you think ROM hacking is fun?
Player: ... .. ....
Man: That's true, but mapping isn't really hacking.

Which I think it more than enough (because it feels weird when I play as the player and he says stuff).

Like to hear some of your thoughts :)

I prefer games with the "silent protagonist" concept. Even using "Player: ... ... ..." is pushing it, in my opinion. In R/S/E, the programmers used only dots (i.e., no "Player:") once which was passable but whenever I see "[player]:" followed by text, I usually close VBA. There are plenty of fantastic games that have silent protagonists so it shouldn't be too hard.

Flowerchild October 22nd, 2010 5:23 PM

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Originally Posted by colcolstyles (Post 6240167)
I prefer games with the "silent protagonist" concept. Even using "Player: ... ... ..." is pushing it, in my opinion. In R/S/E, the programmers used only dots (i.e., no "Player:") once which was passable but whenever I see "[player]:" followed by text, I usually close VBA. There are plenty of fantastic games that have silent protagonists so it shouldn't be too hard.

I feel the same way. Not much I can say here besides that, really.

Satoshi Ookami October 24th, 2010 12:29 AM

Well I prefer talking character. I mean... it's really weird to have a silent character... I know player character is you in game, but wouldn't it be weird if people were talking to you and you wouldn't reply and stay silent?
If you are really good narrator you can pretty much give player speech which the real player would really say.
So as for me I prefer talking character.

Tropical Sunlight October 24th, 2010 12:36 AM

When I hack, I do everything I can to prevent the player from speaking. :)

DrFuji October 24th, 2010 12:45 AM

The silent protagonist has been a feature for the Pokemon series in general, so I don't see any reason to break that long-standing tradition. The player and main character may not shared the same feelings about the world they are in, so the creator is essentially forcing their own view on the player.

I hate it when others speak for me, so why should I do the same for anybody else?

Banjora Marxvile October 24th, 2010 5:41 AM

Now, I have a view on this that doesn't seem to have been said. If there was a personality thing in the game to decide how some events say and what your character says, or a choice (as that is speaking. Yes and No... the character says it in game, in a way), then I say OK. If it is random things that I know I wouldn't say, then I tend to get annoyed, but I don't really care too much.

NiKaNoRoU October 24th, 2010 6:13 AM

I say that it depends. I really like how the character in Identity talks, it actually makes the whole story more varnished.

In other situations where the hack is Nin-esqued, I say no. It really depends on my view.

tuna97 October 24th, 2010 7:37 AM

yea TF, its just like he is sick if he doesnt talk lol, i love when he/she says something and funny :D

Ninja Caterpie October 24th, 2010 10:04 PM

Mind blown. Then again, BW mostly runs on the same engine as DP, so crack that and you crack the other. The only reason it took so long with DP was, mostly because of a lack of hackers willing to work on something like this, so it's nice. I think I'll still stick to ma third gen, though. :D

dragoniteuser October 25th, 2010 6:24 AM

Well IMO BW hacks will not apear so soon as we think!
It's general structure is somewhat different than those of DPPt...
But then again, it was shown that a perfect hack, with as goo, or even better graphics can be made on a 3rd GEN ROM, so...

Ninja Caterpie October 25th, 2010 9:59 PM

Hey, I just realised. Gen 4 now has mapping + scripting + text + misc. editors, but still nobody hacks it. lol nobody likes scripting with numbers, tch.

countryemo October 25th, 2010 10:47 PM

I don't think mapping is released yet
Some people do create small hacks of it
Give it some time I guess

Ninja Caterpie October 25th, 2010 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by countryemo (Post 6247971)
I don't think mapping is released yet
Some people do create small hacks of it
Give it some time I guess

Scroll up a bit. That thing that can do BW mapping? It was originally meant to (and still will) do DPPtHGSS stuff.

NiKaNoRoU October 25th, 2010 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Ninja Caterpie (Post 6247942)
Hey, I just realised. Gen 4 now has mapping + scripting + text + misc. editors, but still nobody hacks it. lol nobody likes scripting with numbers, tch.

Well sorry, but tbh I never liked the 4th gen games. Therefore, I'm not going to move onto hacking them as well. Who knows why others don't do it, though...

Ninja Caterpie October 26th, 2010 12:26 AM

Hey, you and me both, brother. I dislike the 4th gen, for some weird reason. I cbf arguing with it though, and will just hype myself for Super Scribblenauts + Black + Kirby's Epic Yarn + Ace Attorney V Professor Layton.

On topic, what do you guys think about the 4th generation hacking scene? I mean, most of the stuff people were complaining about has arrived, so do you think people will start hacking it? Or is the ROM Hacking community so wired around Advance (which, believe me, is happening to a lot of places which have GBA -> DS transitions) that it won't shift for a while yet?

Dr. POP October 28th, 2010 8:51 AM

About a different subject: The ROM Hacking forums. Why are all threads closed in 'Beginners Lounge' with questions. I mean, the whole point of a subforum for beginners is that beginners can ask questions. However, the moderators abviously think all questions should go in the stickied threads. >=( But in those threads not all questions are answered (due to the massive overload of questions) and in individual threads one's problems are better helped.
Does anyone agree with me that the Beginners lounge should be open for individual threads?


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