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mew² July 18th, 2009 3:34 AM

The List of Uber Pokemon
 
The Uber Pokemon


Well, it seemed that there is no thread saying the Uber Pokemon, and maybe some player do not know what they are. So here is the list of currently called Uber Pokemon.

Note: Focusing on Pictures later. I just wanted to make the thread look a little better with Sinnoh Pokemon Pictures.


Mewtwo:

Total base stats of 680, and an impressive moves, Mewtwo is one strong Pokemon. Not much will out speed nor counter out speed it. Many call it the ultimate sweeper.



Mew:

With only 600 BST, the lack of power is made up it a movepool. Many of the "special" Pokemon with 600 BST are not banned. Mew is mainly because of it's movepool.



Lugia:

With 680 BST, Lugia is like the mirror version of Mewtwo. Lugia is more of a defensive Pokemon when Mewtwo is offensive. Though it has extra weaknesses, it can recover that taken damage and boost stats futher.



Ho-Oh:

Like it's metallic twin, this golden bird has 680 BST, along with being more on the offensive. Despite losing 50% to Stealth Rock, it has a nasty movepool and enough attack power to say that if it switches in, despite being severely slaughtered, it can set up and own, as well as being able to recover from those rocks. Very deadly and despite the ease in which it can be countered, it can still wipe out an entire team.



Latias and Latios

An Uber, that many people think are acceptable WITHOUT the broken Soul Dew. First things first, Soul Dew is not as broken as it was in advance. Latios is offensive, and therefore the Soul Dew will boost his Special Attack. But he is Uber without it. He has a BST of 600, but with the important stats carrying the power, he has some serious resistances and don't have the common 4x Ice weakness that plagues his Dragon cousins. Throw in an impressive movepool, the ability to use Recover to heal himself and boost their already awesome special capabilities, and you have a monster that you wouldn't want to face. He also has the option of attacking on the physical side, with dragon Dance, and a higher attack stat.

Latias has been deemed not Uber, but only WITHOUT the Soul Dew.



Kyogre:

With a BST of 680 and a movepool to defeat many types, Kyogre is one big beast. It could care less about the advantage it gives to the Electric types switching in, because with their general poor defensive stats, they will surely get hurt by powered up Water moves, let alone the powerful Super Effective moves it learns as well as the fact that grass and electric types are rare in Ubers. Generally difficult to defeat, especially on the special side, this monster will truly wash you away.



Groudon:

And Kyogre's nemesis. This was meant to be a fire type, but instead, they give it a type that has better resistances, but has a movepool that allows it to pretend that it is. It can run a few roles in the Uber metagame, sweeper, supportive, wall, you never know what to expect from it. Also gives help to other pokemon in the metagame, as a Chlorophyll boost can just be what your Exeggutor waiting in the wings needs to outspeed and destroy your opponent’s team.




Rayquaza:

Anyone who has been on the receiving end of a mauling by a Salamence will know the pain when you imagine a stronger version of it, with an even better movepool and 80 extra stats. Sure it might be slightly slower, but what it loses it makes up for in punch, and most Salamence sets Dragon Dance anyway so wouldn't utilise the natural Speed. It is only one of 2 pokemon that can Dragon Dance and Outrage, reason enough to ban it with 150 base attack. A truly fearsome beast that could care less if you had a pokemon with STAB Ice Beam on it if holding a Yache berry or a Focus Sash. You'd better hope it kills it in one hit.



Deoxys:

With all 4 forms that can be used in D/P/Plt, and 600 as all forms BST, only 3 forms are Uber. Sharing the same nice movepool, the standard version is an offensive monster with limited defensive capabilities, but will seriously maim, if not kill almost any Pokémon it faces. The attacking monster has less defensive capabilties, it will likely fall to any attack, but will outspeed you more likely than not, and almost certainly end your Pokémons role in that battle with extreme speed and attacking stats. The defensive version will not be going anywhere, and will likely Pressure stall you to death, whilst it LOLs at you and dusts off the damage with impressive defences and recover, as well as setting up entry hazards which make switching in hard. The speed version was to be considered as OU, but after the popularity of the “Dual Screen” Deoxys-s, everyone was forced to have a very fast Taunter and games often balanced on the speed tie, i.e. whose Taunt went first. This made for an unanimous decision for it being Uber




Dialga has a great type combo, great movepool, and 680 BST. It can do all sort of rolls like Trick Room Sweeper, Bulk Up, Restalk, and a normal Sweeper.




Palkia has only one weakness and it is common in Ubers. With 680 BST, as well having a nice movepool, but not the best defence to back it up. Though, it can sweep better better with better Attack and Speed stats then the pink little walling devil. (Blissey)



Giratina has a unique typing, the same 680 BST and a healthy mix of good moves. However, like Palkia, Giratina can only do one thing, but boy is it good at it. Stalling. With 150 Hp and Will-o-wisp, it can completely shut down physical attackers, while can EV it’s 120 SDef to take Special hits better as well. Giratina-O, however, is an attacking force. With good attacking stats, decent bulk, and STAB Outrage, it all looks good. However, it can only hold the Platinum Orb. This works in the same way as the Orbs for Dialga and Palkia – they raise their STAB options by 20%. It also cannot be Tricked off Giratina-O. It’s a good job (or bad, if you’re facing it) that Dragon and Ghost hit most of the Uber Metagame for SE damage.




Manaphy was originally OU at the beginning of DPPt. However, with its trait, which allows it to heal all status effects if it raining, even self inflicted ones, it can regain 100% of its decent health in one go and attack next turn. It can also do a sweep with Tail glow and a good Special movepool. It loses to Blissey most of the time, however, as Bliss often carries Thunder which is Super Effective on the little blue pixie which is 100% accurate in the rain that Manaphy loves so much.




Darkrai:

Well lets just say one word, fast. But not just that, it has a move that has an 80% chance of making one (or two in a double battle) Pokemon fall asleep for numerous turn. And even a stronger version of Giga Drain that takes a huge about of HP out of a Pokemon while it is asleep. And the best part is, it's ability damages your foes sleeping Pokemon. It can completely shut down any ResTalk strategies. This is not the only thing it can do, as it can sweep with 135 base SAtk and Focus Punch for Blissey off a decent, but not great attack stat.




Believe it or not, Shaymin is not Uber. Though, some leagues call it Uber due to the fact not many people have a legit one.




Shaymin Sky Forme:


Quote:

Originally Posted by Dunsparce (Post 4870113)
Sky Forme has a Ridiculous 80% Chance to greatly lower the Special Defense of a Pokemon with Seed Flare thanks to Serene Grace. It could 2HKO most of the OU Metagame becuase of that. It also had other toys, like an Air Slash that has a 60% Flinch Rate, and for Earth Power, which lets it have alot of Type Coverage.




The strongest Pokemone yet and it hasn't even been released to Japan yet! Though to those who use Action Replay (heheheh) we have it. With BST of 720, it has the highest BST ever made! Not only that, it has a large movepool that could be larger then Sinnoh as we know it! When it was revealed, many said it should be it should have it's on tier! Must I go on?


Well I hope with helped everyone if you didn't know em already. If there is already a guide on the forums like this, please close this. Thanks for reading.

groudonlover July 18th, 2009 5:05 AM

You should write that Mew can use every TM and HM in the game, and Garchomp is on the upper border of OU not Über...

dragonarche July 18th, 2009 5:25 AM

i get why the other legendarys are uber
but why is garchop a uber??
i just don get it!
ohyea and manaphy is't a uber
as it can be breed ! :)

chao!!

Mxp July 18th, 2009 6:19 AM

you forgot wobbuffet and wynut

Pirate Dave July 18th, 2009 6:48 AM

I dont know why people find this so difficult. The list of Übers is here:

http://www.smogon.com/dp/tiers/uber

Maybe Garchomp is your favourite Pokémon, but its Über. That's the list of Pokémon people refer to when they say, 'No Übers', its not about individual opinion; its a list that is…

Its got nothing to do with breeding, and it doesn't mean the same thing as 'Legendary'.

Faceless* July 18th, 2009 7:14 AM

Uber's are considered too powerful for one side of the metagame and therefore, considered banned. They cannot be countered by almost every Pokemon in the Overused tier and if the tiers were merged, no Pokemon but the ubers would be used.

Where's the dumb Wobby? ;_;

Dunsparce July 18th, 2009 7:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RickySlaughter (Post 4869654)
Shaymin:[/CENTER]

Believe it or not, Shaymin is not Uber. Though, some leagues call it Uber due to the fact not many people have a legit one.

BZZZZZT! WRONG!

Sky Forme is Uber, but Land Forme is UU.

Sky Forme has a Ridiculous 80% Chance to greatly lower the Special Defense of a Pokemon with Seed Flare thanks to Serene Grace. It could 2HKO most of the OU Metagame becuase of that. It also had other toys, like an Air Slash that has a 60% Flinch Rate, and for Earth Power, which lets it have alot of Type Coverage.

Land Forme is a poor-man's Celebi. Almost everything Shaymin Land Forme can do, Celebi can do better. Like how Blaziken is to Infernape, Shaymin Land Forme is just outclassed in almost every way.

mew² July 18th, 2009 8:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mxp (Post 4869943)
you forgot wobbuffet and wynut

Quote:

Originally Posted by Faceless* (Post 4870066)
Uber's are considered too powerful for one side of the metagame and therefore, considered banned. They cannot be countered by almost every Pokemon in the Overused tier and if the tiers were merged, no Pokemon but the ubers would be used.

Where's the dumb Wobby? ;_;

I didn't realize they were Uber? Minus the fact if two of them are out, their Shadow Tags screw them both over, but i didn't think they were :o

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dunsparce (Post 4870113)
BZZZZZT! WRONG!

Sky Forme is Uber, but Land Forme is UU.

Sky Forme has a Ridiculous 80% Chance to greatly lower the Special Defense of a Pokemon with Seed Flare thanks to Serene Grace. It could 2HKO most of the OU Metagame becuase of that. It also had other toys, like an Air Slash that has a 60% Flinch Rate, and for Earth Power, which lets it have alot of Type Coverage.

Land Forme is a poor-man's Celebi. Almost everything Shaymin Land Forme can do, Celebi can do better. Like how Blaziken is to Infernape, Shaymin Land Forme is just outclassed in almost every way.

I was referring to land forme but I'll put Sky Forme up now. I haven't check Sky Forme out yet so that's mainly why. ;)

jigglyppuff8 July 18th, 2009 8:20 AM

They fixed it in D/P/Pt so that if two Pokemon with Shadow tag face each other, they can switch out. Also:
Quote:

Offensive Characteristic
A Pokémon is uber if, in common battle conditions, it is capable of sweeping through a significant portion of teams in the metagame with little effort.

Defensive Characteristic
A Pokémon is uber if, in common battle conditions, it is able to wall and stall out a significant portion of the metagame.

Support Characteristic
A Pokémon is uber if, in common battle conditions, it can consistently set up a situation in which it makes it substantially easier for other pokemon to sweep.
Smogon's defs.

FreakyLocz14 July 18th, 2009 3:10 PM

Shaymin Sky Forme is Uber, Land Forme is not.
Garchomp is erroneously Uber, if I could remove any two from that list it would be Chomp and Wynaut.
If I could move any one OU up to Uber it would be Heatran (also eithe Uber Latias or OU Latios)
Wobbuffet and Wynaut are aslo Uber.

Greene1516 July 18th, 2009 3:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by groudonlover (Post 4869806)
You should write that Mew can use every TM and HM in the game, and Garchomp is on the upper border of OU not Über...

Thing is that's incorrect, Garchomp is uber.

Oblivion Reaper 2.0 July 18th, 2009 3:21 PM

why are wynaut ubers???
some one please tell me...

jigglyppuff8 July 18th, 2009 3:30 PM

Quote:

Support Characteristic
A Pokémon is uber if, in common battle conditions, it can consistently set up a situation in which it makes it substantially easier for other pokemon to sweep.
This is why Wynaut is uber. Shadow tag + Encore Combo.

Oblivion Reaper 2.0 July 18th, 2009 3:32 PM

ok...I get it now
so is Alkazam uber do its high SP.ATT?

jigglyppuff8 July 18th, 2009 3:35 PM

Quote:

Offensive Characteristic
A Pokémon is uber if, in common battle conditions, it is capable of sweeping through a significant portion of teams in the metagame with little effort.
Blissey and the ever common Steel types shut it down nicely.

Momoko July 18th, 2009 3:36 PM

Lol thanks for this. i would always bug my friends asking if a pokemon is uber or not :P

mew² July 19th, 2009 10:48 AM

Well here's the thing I guess. Garchomp will remain not uber on this thread until everyone believes it is. Everyone really follows the Smogon Ubers when I found Garchomp being Uber on other sites. I will add Wobafect and Wynutt in a minute, just kinda woke up o_o

Alex31 July 19th, 2009 10:56 AM

Quote:

Rayquaza:

Anyone who has been on the receiving end of a mauling by a Salamence will know the pain when you imagine a stronger version of it, with an even better movepool and 80 extra stats. Sure it might be slightly slower, but what it loses it makes up for in punch, and most Salamence sets Dragon Dance anyway so wouldn't utilise the natural Speed. It is only one of 2 pokemon that can Dragon Dance and Outrage, reason enough to ban it with 150 base attack. A truly fearsome beast that could care less if you had a pokemon with STAB Ice Beam on it if holding a Yache berry or a Focus Sash. You'd better hope it kills it in one hit.
Dragonite
Tyranitar
Salamance
Latios
Alteria
Charizard
Feraligatr
Gyarados
Kingdra
and Lapras.

All learn Dragon Dance and Outrage, and can have them on the same moveset.


And ubers such as Garchomp, are only uber depending on if the player goes by smogon or not I guess.

seeker July 19th, 2009 11:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by groudonlover (Post 4869806)
You should write that Mew can use every TM and HM in the game, and Garchomp is on the upper border of OU not Über...

You're wrong about Garachomp as stated.

But
Yes, Mew can learn every single TM and HM move. This is true for all the main games that have Mew in them. Mew can also learn every single Move Tutor move, except for Draco Meteor, Frenzy Plant, Blast Burn and Hydro Cannon.

However, Mew can't learn every single move. It can't learn signature moves of other legendary Pokémon, such as Judgment. It also can't breed, so it can't learn Egg Moves. Finally, Mew cannot learn any move that is not a TM or HM, not a move tutor move, and not a move in Mew's normal moveset. For example, it cannot learn Camouflage.

The only exception is by using Metronome. Since Mew can learn Metronome, it can use any move that Metronome can use for that turn only, including most of the moves mentioned above.
So Mew by contrast is a definate Uber even if it has lower base stats

mew² July 19th, 2009 8:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GavZ (Post 4874247)
You're wrong about Garachomp as stated.

Like I stated, I read it was newly Uber on a tourney site. And I removed it after two people said it wasn't.

jigglyppuff8 July 19th, 2009 8:15 PM

Chomp has been banned from OU for somewhere around a year now. It was brought into suspect some time ago, but that just helped to further prove that it was uber. In case you haven't been paying attention, I'll point it out again:
Quote:

Offensive Characteristic
A Pokémon is uber if, in common battle conditions, it is capable of sweeping through a significant portion of teams in the metagame with little effort.
With its base 102 speed outspeeding most of the metagame's base 100 speeds, respectable defenses that keep it from getting OHKOed by ice type moves if it's holding a Yache berry, and Swords Dance coupled along with its already high attack, it could sweep through the metagame pretty easily. Also, there's the detail about Sand Veil along with the common use of Tyranitar and Hippowdon for Sandstorm teams.

A Pokemon isn't uber because "majority rules", it's uber because it breaks the metagame and is therefore, broken. There's always been disagreements to Garchomp's ban, but that doesn't change the fact that it fits the qualifications of an uber at all.

mew² July 19th, 2009 9:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jpp8 (Post 4875933)
Chomp has been banned from OU for somewhere around a year now. It was brought into suspect some time ago, but that just helped to further prove that it was uber. In case you haven't been paying attention, I'll point it out again:


With its base 102 speed outspeeding most of the metagame's base 100 speeds, respectable defenses that keep it from getting OHKOed by ice type moves if it's holding a Yache berry, and Swords Dance coupled along with its already high attack, it could sweep through the metagame pretty easily. Also, there's the detail about Sand Veil along with the common use of Tyranitar and Hippowdon for Sandstorm teams.

A Pokemon isn't uber because "majority rules", it's uber because it breaks the metagame and is therefore, broken. There's always been disagreements to Garchomp's ban, but that doesn't change the fact that it fits the qualifications of an uber at all.


So in other words it's Uber? Everyone disagreeing is throwing me off. Originally I believed that just because Smogen says it's OU doesn't mean they're always right.

dragonarche July 19th, 2009 10:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FreakyLocz14 (Post 4871411)
Shaymin Sky Forme is Uber, Land Forme is not.
Garchomp is erroneously Uber, if I could remove any two from that list it would be Chomp and Wynaut.
If I could move any one OU up to Uber it would be Heatran (also eithe Uber Latias or OU Latios)
Wobbuffet and Wynaut are aslo Uber.

lol i thought that all legendarys were uber
wait why is garchop uber someone explane

Johnny590 July 19th, 2009 10:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pirate Dave (Post 4869999)
I dont know why people find this so difficult. The list of Übers is here:

http://www.smogon.com/dp/tiers/uber

Maybe Garchomp is your favourite Pokémon, but its Über. That's the list of Pokémon people refer to when they say, 'No Übers', its not about individual opinion; its a list that is…



Its got nothing to do with breeding, and it doesn't mean the same thing as 'Legendary'.

The fact that Wobuffet and Wynaut are considered an Über makes me LOL so hard and yet we all know if a Wobuffet survives a powerful attack, Counter, Destiny Bond and Mirror Coat are going to own you so badly your jaw will drop in amazement.

:P

I still don't get why Garchomp is an uber, a good Ice type can destroy it. Same goes for a Dragon type using Dragon Rush or Outrage.

But it's pretty freaking powerful, so I'm not suprised if its banned.

P.S: What does OU stand for again?

gregory_turner420 July 19th, 2009 10:08 PM

i think it shouldnt be uber or banned because even its stats and movesets, i have a ev'd lvl100 chomp and i tested to see how well it went up against my others and it didnt get stomped, but it didnt just wipe everyone out either

mew² July 19th, 2009 10:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dragonarche (Post 4876192)
lol i thought that all legendarys were uber
wait why is garchop uber someone explane

Quote:

Originally Posted by jpp8 (Post 4875933)
Chomp has been banned from OU for somewhere around a year now. It was brought into suspect some time ago, but that just helped to further prove that it was uber. In case you haven't been paying attention, I'll point it out again:


With its base 102 speed outspeeding most of the metagame's base 100 speeds, respectable defenses that keep it from getting OHKOed by ice type moves if it's holding a Yache berry, and Swords Dance coupled along with its already high attack, it could sweep through the metagame pretty easily. Also, there's the detail about Sand Veil along with the common use of Tyranitar and Hippowdon for Sandstorm teams.

A Pokemon isn't uber because "majority rules", it's uber because it breaks the metagame and is therefore, broken. There's always been disagreements to Garchomp's ban, but that doesn't change the fact that it fits the qualifications of an uber at all.

That explained it pretty much all I knew about it d: So that explains why I guess.

jigglyppuff8 July 19th, 2009 10:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Johnny590 (Post 4876201)
The fact that Wobuffet and Wynaut are considered an Über makes me LOL so hard and yet we all know if a Wobuffet survives a powerful attack, Counter, Destiny Bond and Mirror Coat are going to own you so badly your jaw will drop in amazement.

It's not that necessarily, it's more of the fact that they fit this category:
Support Characteristic
A Pokémon is uber if, in common battle conditions, it can consistently set up a situation in which it makes it substantially easier for other pokemon to sweep.
Quote:

I still don't get why Garchomp is an uber, a good Ice type can destroy it. Same goes for a Dragon type using Dragon Rush or Outrage.
Garchomp is strong enough to not be OHKOed by most Ice type moves if it is holding a Yache Berry. Also, Garchomp is just fast enough to outspeed all other Dragons, so it'll be killing them first, especially with outrage. Also, Dragon Rush is a sucky move not worth the risk when there is a move nearly as powerful without the factor of probability (Dragon Claw).
Quote:

P.S: What does OU stand for again?
Overused
Quote:

Originally Posted by gregory_turner420
i think it shouldnt be uber or banned because even its stats and movesets, i have a ev'd lvl100 chomp and i tested to see how well it went up against my others and it didnt get stomped, but it didnt just wipe everyone out either

Just because that's your experience doesn't mean that everybody else experienced the same thing.


Garchomp is a freaking overpowered beast in the standard metagame. Get over the fact that it's uber yet not a legendary.

LethalTexture July 20th, 2009 12:07 AM

After debating what to do with this thread (since it doesn't belong here in D/P/P but technically doesn't belong in Strategies and Movesets), I have decided to lock this.

If people want to learn more about the competitive metagames, they should visit the Strategies and Movesets forum for resources and links to the various battling information.

*locks*


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