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Kanto_Johto July 26th, 2009 2:13 PM

The Forgotten 4th
 
Anyone else remember Karen of the Elite 4? I almost forgot about her. I actually think her team is one of the best in the Elite 4. She's never been mentioned on any of the preceding games in the advanced Generation and was never in the Anime. Hopefully she'll make her return in HG/SS. I think she's very underated.

More respect for Karen!

Valo July 26th, 2009 2:35 PM

No, but there's a very over-used quote from her.

"Strong Pokémon. Weak Pokémon. That is only the selfish perception of people. Truly skilled trainers should try to win with their favorites."

Timbjerr July 27th, 2009 6:37 AM

I always wondered why she didn't have a Tyranitar... I mean every Uber Pseudo-legendary has been used by a member of the E4 in the generation they were introduced except Tyranitar. Lance used Dragonite, Drake used Salamence, Steven used Metagross, Cynthia uses Garchomp, but no one uses Tyranitar in the second gen E4 despite the fact that there's a trainer that claims to specialize in Dark types right there. >_>

dc_united July 27th, 2009 9:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Timbjerr (Post 4907518)
I always wondered why she didn't have a Tyranitar... I mean every Uber Pseudo-legendary has been used by a member of the E4 in the generation they were introduced except Tyranitar. Lance used Dragonite, Drake used Salamence, Steven used Metagross, Cynthia uses Garchomp, but no one uses Tyranitar in the second gen E4 despite the fact that there's a trainer that claims to specialize in Dark types right there. >_>

Maybe it wasn't one of her favorites?

TwilightBlade July 27th, 2009 10:48 AM

-gasp- She is like, the only one I remember. D: I loved her team (Vileplume is random though) and her design. I was touched by her infamous quote, too. The rest of the Johto Elite 4 were silly guys, lol. The E4 girls usually lack personality, so Karen makes up for that for being so awesome~

Timbjerr July 27th, 2009 7:17 PM

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Originally Posted by dc_united (Post 4908284)
Maybe it wasn't one of her favorites?

haha, gg mate :P

On topic though, I forgot all about that quote until just now even though I follow its message in all of my competitive teams. >_>

Sydian July 27th, 2009 7:30 PM

She kicked my arse too many times to count my first time through Silver. Bad memories.

Wings Don't Cry July 27th, 2009 8:03 PM

I hated her Umbreon so much, it was always like Confuse ray, sand attack and mega defense. But all her other pokemon were rather easy to beat.

But does anyone remember Will the psychic E4 in GenII without an Alakazam?

Kanto_Johto July 28th, 2009 9:44 AM

People are sending me reputations saying "Why are you spamming?". I'm not. This is a discussion about, in my opinion, one of the best and most underrated E4 members. Spam would be created a thread that has nothing to do with Pokemon. This does. Think before you say stupid things.

On topic, I do remember her annoying Umbreon. Much like the Chanseys on FireRed. I often consider copying these strategies.

Mattysaurus July 28th, 2009 12:14 PM

Karen was cool looking and her team was awesome. Umbreon was a beast and Vileplume was random.

skeddles July 28th, 2009 12:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Valo (Post 4905084)
No, but there's a very over-used quote from her.

"Strong Pokémon. Weak Pokémon. That is only the selfish perception of people. Truly skilled trainers should try to win with their favorites."

=o

That's an awesome quote.

Who over uses it?

Why didn't I obsess over how awesome it is in the game? I guess I just skip through what people are saying too quickly. Well maybe if they made people say more interesting things...


Well you have a newfound karen fan on your hands.

I don't remember battling her though.

Xebelleon July 28th, 2009 2:02 PM

Best looking female Trainer sprite ever.

I remember her. Just forget the name most always, LOL.

Jesus of Suburbia July 28th, 2009 2:13 PM

I never noticed how short her skirt wuz, lol.

On my latest play through silver her Houndoom wuz gettin' me even w/ the red Gyrados.

Dunsparce July 28th, 2009 3:13 PM

Vileplume is not Random at all. She Uses both Dark(Umbreon, Murkrow, Houndoom) and Poison(Gengar, Vileplume)

This was also the Case with Agatha, who used Arbok and Golbat.

Kanto_Johto July 28th, 2009 5:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dunsparce (Post 4914015)
Vileplume is not Random at all. She Uses both Dark(Umbreon, Murkrow, Houndoom) and Poison(Gengar, Vileplume)

This was also the Case with Agatha, who used Arbok and Golbat.

No, all of Agatha's were poison types.

Dunsparce July 28th, 2009 5:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Kanto_Johto (Post 4914519)
No, all of Agatha's were poison types.

I know that, but also remember FRLG gave her Misdreavus, a pure ghost-type. All of the E4 Members of RGBY/FRLG/GSC Have both a primary type and a secondary type, except for Will.

Lorelei: Ice and Water(EX: Jynx and Slowbro)

Bruno: Fighting and Ground (EX: Machamp and Onix/Steelix)

Agatha: Ghost and Poison(EX: Misdreavus and Golbat/Crobat)

Lance: Dragon and Flying(EX: Kingdra and Aerodactyl)

Koga: Poison and Bug (EX: Muk and Forretress)

Karen: Dark and Poison (EX: Murkrow and Vileplume)

If you look at their rosters, they ALWAYS use Pokemon from either of those types.

Kanto_Johto July 28th, 2009 5:52 PM

Ahh, well spotted Dunsparce. Indeed they do.

Casey333 July 28th, 2009 7:22 PM

I remember Karen. She was a really easy opponent for me. I guess it was her lack of Dark types. xP

Kanto_Johto July 29th, 2009 5:07 AM

Here's an interesting thought: Maybe in RBY Karen was one of the beauties near Fushia City with an Oddish...

Dunsparce July 29th, 2009 5:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kanto_Johto (Post 4916148)
Here's an interesting thought: Maybe in RBY Karen was one of the beauties near Fushia City with an Oddish...

In both English and Japanese, None of The Girls in Erika's Gym have the same name as her in FRLG(Where Names were given to the once-nameless NPCs)

The Bringer! July 29th, 2009 5:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dunsparce (Post 4916164)
In both English and Japanese, None of The Girls in Erika's Gym have the same name as her in FRLG(Where Names were given to the once-nameless NPCs)

Near Fuscia =/= Celadon gym...

I've never actually heard her quote that much, but The Bringer! approves. It seems like most of the new E4 members in G/S/C didn't get that much attention, but that could be attributed to the fact that they have not gotten a remake (soon to change ^_^ ) and they are also fairly old as far as pokemon games go. Good thing her umbreon didn't have moonlight as well...

mew² July 29th, 2009 7:01 AM

She was the only one I remember in the G/S/C version E4. o: Dark Type Pokemon are ftw in my case, so she is ftw as well. Even her short skirt ;) lol.

xxChazxx July 29th, 2009 10:13 AM

When I saw this thread, I thought it was about another game from G/S/C that nobody knew of...

Dunsparce July 29th, 2009 12:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Bringer! (Post 4916196)
Near Fuscia =/= Celadon gym...

I've never actually heard her quote that much, but The Bringer! approves. It seems like most of the new E4 members in G/S/C didn't get that much attention, but that could be attributed to the fact that they have not gotten a remake (soon to change ^_^ ) and they are also fairly old as far as pokemon games go. Good thing her umbreon didn't have moonlight as well...

I read it wrong. Because you said "Oddish", I instantly assumed you meant the Celedon Gym without looking at the word Fuchsia.

Kanto_Johto July 30th, 2009 1:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dunsparce (Post 4916164)
In both English and Japanese, None of The Girls in Erika's Gym have the same name as her in FRLG(Where Names were given to the once-nameless NPCs)

Unless she decided to legally change her name?

Lolz.


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