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Vernikova July 29th, 2009 5:06 PM

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Originally Posted by AdvancedK9 (Post 4915164)
Ok. I sure read it. But is that all you are reading from my posts? :\ Where did you learn to read again?

New York City's top schools. Right now I'm in one of New York's top 5 High Schools right now, since the SHSAT was so easy, so I feel assured that I can read correctly.

Anyway, I'll state it one more time: if a wiki page of any kind (Wikipedia, Bulbapedia, etc) has credible sources then there is no reason to act like an idiot [In the quote below is a great example] about using a wiki.

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Originally Posted by AdvancedK9
Also, please tell me you DID NOT just quote Wikipedia. That is just plain sad.

Also, it seems that you don't know what Wikipedia, or any wiki, was created for judging from this post:

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Originally Posted by AdvancedK9
Because as long as there is a reliable source, we don't need Wikipedia.

Wikipedia is an online encyclopedia. An encyclopedia is a book, or in this case a website, containing articles on various topics usually covering all branches of knowledge or all aspects of one subject. I got that from Webster and not a wiki just to make you feel better.

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I never said Pokemon.com . The official Japanese Pokemon site is good though.
You said official sources. Pokémon.com is an official source.

Nina July 29th, 2009 6:27 PM

Wikipedia, or a wiki is a collection of information gathered by the general populous.
The general populous contains a very large amount of very stupid and unreliable people.
These people do not always cite creditable sources.
Wikipedia is more often than not abused by this leading to the general knee-jerk reaction that...

Wikipedia is not a reliable source.

Quoting from the actual source is better than "a more often than not" maybe true story, and when presenting the information to a large mass it's better to have the facts that have a greater chance of being true. It's primary versus secondary sources in History class.
Are you going to get your information from a journal written by a woman, or the book written about the journal written by a woman?

I don't blame anyone who says that they want the primary source that confirms Misty's appearance in the upcoming episodes over Wikipedia.

Vernikova July 29th, 2009 6:40 PM

So you agree with me. That as long as a wiki contains credible sources/citations then it can be used.

weedle_mchairybug July 29th, 2009 7:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Vişne Tanrıça (Post 4919462)
Wikipedia, or a wiki is a collection of information gathered by the general populous.
The general populous contains a very large amount of very stupid and unreliable people.
These people do not always cite creditable sources.
Wikipedia is more often than not abused by this leading to the general knee-jerk reaction that...

Wikipedia is not a reliable source.

Quoting from the actual source is better than "a more often than not" maybe true story, and when presenting the information to a large mass it's better to have the facts that have a greater chance of being true. It's primary versus secondary sources in History class.
Are you going to get your information from a journal written by a woman, or the book written about the journal written by a woman?

I don't blame anyone who says that they want the primary source that confirms Misty's appearance in the upcoming episodes over Wikipedia.

Why do you THINK I post all the sources related to portions of Articles whenever I quote from Wikipedia? I do it so that people won't act like that I'm just talking crazy just because I cite Wikipedia. If I post the sources in relation to what an article on Wikipedia says about a certain thing, then I'm conforted that I tried to prove that these things happened.

Besides, is quoting from Official sources (Especially sources where they seem to get more things about their source material wrong than they get right) any better? Heck, I had to stick with some teachers who disparaged their Textbooks BECAUSE of the fact that they are factually inaccurate/flat out wrong. As far as I know, Official Sources and people-edited sources such as Wikis and Wikipedia are no different in that sense.

Mitchman July 29th, 2009 9:10 PM

Hmm let me see they got this notion of them coming back most likely from seeing high touch(the OP in Japan) and its wikipedia so how about...no. If they were to return it would be one or two episodes and even then I doubt it. And let me guess besides that its the whole politoed thing yes?

Sweet Smoochum July 29th, 2009 9:44 PM

Okay, now this thread seems to be arguing about whether or not wikipedia is a credible source rather than that there could be a possibility of Misty/May returning which is what this thread is really about. First of all, the person who made this thread actually put down what the other sources were. No one has even bothered to check them out yet. Just because wikipedia isn't always right, doesn't mean that it is always wrong. There is a 50% chance that this information is true. Before getting upset at people who want Misty/May to return and screaming at people for citing wikipedia, think about it. You're getting yourselves upset for nothing. There is a 50% chance that Misty may make an appearance in Galactic battles of Pokemon. It's not impossible. Gary reappeared several times. May has made a cameo. (I think was last season, though.) All you're saying is that wikipedia is unreliable. Way to point out the obvious! But wikipedia can sometimes be right. Before you flame me, think about what you're going to say rather than going into a rage over people who site wikipedia. All I'm saying is that there is a possibility that what this person read could be true.

I have noticed that Rachel Lillis, who originally did Misty's voice, also did the voice for Maylene. There is a possibility that they are keeping in contact with this person in case they want Misty to make a cameo.

Nina July 29th, 2009 9:49 PM

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Originally Posted by weedle_mchairybug (Post 4919617)
Why do you THINK I post all the sources related to portions of Articles whenever I quote from Wikipedia? I do it so that people won't act like that I'm just talking crazy just because I cite Wikipedia. If I post the sources in relation to what an article on Wikipedia says about a certain thing, then I'm conforted that I tried to prove that these things happened.

Besides, is quoting from Official sources (Especially sources where they seem to get more things about their source material wrong than they get right) any better? Heck, I had to stick with some teachers who disparaged their Textbooks BECAUSE of the fact that they are factually inaccurate/flat out wrong. As far as I know, Official Sources and people-edited sources such as Wikis and Wikipedia are no different in that sense.

Dude, I didn't even read your posts. This was directed totally somewhere else.
But anyways...
Official sources are different than Wikipedia. If I write on my site that I'm writing a story about Ash and Wikipedia says I am writing a story about Tracy it is not the same. If I then choose to write the story about Brock later my creditability is hurt, but only when I have done that first. You don't auto-assume that every word coming out of someone's mouth who doesn't have a history of lying is a lie do you?

Also, textbooks purposely have errors or terms are changed at a later date to sell the newer editions of textbooks. There will always be something wrong with them.

With Pokemon's creditability of saying Ash's Dad is coming in and he didn't, if the official sources are as unreliable as you say, would point to that they are just saying that to people please and have no intention to bring Misty back for a short amount of time.

Azumi July 29th, 2009 10:32 PM

I'm confused. This whole thread is filled with so much bullcrap I don't know where to start.
Oh well, I'll just sit in the sidelines and see what happens later...

Mitchman July 29th, 2009 11:36 PM

.Fukari the thread is basically question the source of wikipedia being a good one or a bad one and if the Anime should have their precious Misty back.

DonRoyale July 30th, 2009 12:38 AM

I find it humorous that your desire for information regarding Pokemon leads you to Wikipedia and not Bulbapedia.

Do you realize that 10 year old boys edit Wikipedia to lengthen their e-peens and cause shatstorms (quite like this one)? Clearly it went over most people's heads.

Am I all for Misty returning? Absolutely. I wish she'd take Dawn's place and we would never hear from her, her overly short skirt, or her insidiously annoying Piplup EVER AGAIN. However, the fact that this comes from a source as unreliable as Wikipedia is ridiculous.

The problem with trusting a source such as Wikipedia is that the sources given to validate the information are themselves hardly ever credible, especially on a topic such as this. Bulbapedia would have reported news like this, should it have happened.

I mean, if you can trust a source like Wikipedia, Ash would not only have ditched Gliscor for Riolu (caz riolu is so effing leet yo diggity dawg home skillet, that shat is so cash I was liek whoa dawg!!1one!11uno!11eleventy), and had we trusted other sources of similar or better validity, Team Galactic would have taken the place of Paul in Lake Acuity, and Ash's Torkoal would have evolved.

This is the internet. Just because it's there doesn't mean it's going to happen. Especially concerning anime.

Wikipedia is not the type of place you want to go for your information since they let a bunch of snotty-ass tards who lack a third grade education edit their so-called "information" and present it as real, factual information to the public.

It loses validity further when it's a desired topic of the fandom, such as Misty's return (or the inclusion of Riolu in Ash's team...how this is desirable for anyone to see Ash and Parachute Pants team up again is something I'll never understand).

Stick to Bulbapedia and Fanfiction.net for radical theories taken from the minds of 12 year-olds.

Jolene July 30th, 2009 3:15 AM

I doubt they'll ever come back as permanent characters. It'll likely be one-off appearances every now and then as fanservice.

weedle_mchairybug July 30th, 2009 5:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Jolene (Post 4920700)
I doubt they'll ever come back as permanent characters. It'll likely be one-off appearances every now and then as fanservice.

You know, Brock left the show, and they could have easily kept him off the show, even though the fans demanded that they bring him back, yet they returned him to the main cast, so they can do the same to Misty, and as much as I hate to admit it, even May.

I Laugh at your Misfortune! July 30th, 2009 7:00 AM

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Originally Posted by weedle_mchairybug (Post 4920975)
You know, Brock left the show, and they could have easily kept him off the show, even though the fans demanded that they bring him back, yet they returned him to the main cast, so they can do the same to Misty, and as much as I hate to admit it, even May.

I think that was because the entire fanbase (literally, probably around 90%) preferred Brock to Tracy. As much as I'd like to see Misty back, the fact is that May and Dawn have equally large fanbases, making it an entirely different kettle of fish.

weedle_mchairybug July 30th, 2009 7:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Screw the rules, I have green hair! (Post 4921191)
I think that was because the entire fanbase (literally, probably around 90%) preferred Brock to Tracy. As much as I'd like to see Misty back, the fact is that May and Dawn have equally large fanbases, making it an entirely different kettle of fish.

Actually, evidence shows that Misty's fanbase was probably much larger than people are led to believe (and that May and Dawn's fanbases may actually be smaller than led to believe: like for example, May's club is basically a dead zone, and Dawn doesn't even have a club dedicated to her, from what I heard.). That's also not even taking into account the fact that the anime's average ratings have sunk since Misty left, the sheer amount of petitions being circulated online and in real life trying to bring her back, and the Critical Reception on Misty's article, along with it's sources. (The Duke University Book/Essay Pikachu's Global Adventure: The Rise and Fall of Pokemon had stated that girls look up to and emulate Misty, and even hints that viewers of the same age have looked up to her as well ["Pikachu's Global Adventure additionally stated Misty also served as a source of non-threatening sexuality for both older and younger male viewers, though the context of such was presented in a more subtle for North American localizations of the series."]. The same book even admits that while the show does focus on Ash, Misty was a distinctly significant figure to the show's integrity, especially to female viewers. The book "The Japanification of Children's Popular Culture" mentions that she was an unusually complete girl in the cartoon world, and a nurturing component to the characters and "They Don't Like me: Lessons on Teasing and Bullying from a Preschool's Classroom" had mentioned that the girls look up to Misty and accepted her character (Something even Pikachu's Global Adventure had said.) A Study called "Pokemon: Exploring the Role of Gender" had reviewed it and said that kids respected Misty for her assertiveness and aggression, whileas college students respected her for her romance.). So far, nothing has been said about May and Dawn in regards to character roles.

Akio123 July 30th, 2009 11:01 AM

Alright, lately if I'm down, I will turn to this thread and it puts a smile on my face. The fact that the Pokemon fandumb (I know how I spelled it) argues Bulbapedia as a credible sources indicates that following any wiki as law shows enough that the original wikipedia is not a great source of information. Right now, this very moment, I could go on wikipedia and change it to say Ash's father is Ho-oh and Thorton is actually Lauren Conrad from the Hills...and people would probably believe it and report it here.

In any case, I think Misty will return, but either in the Sinnoh League to watch Ash or when they return to Pallet (as they inevitably will). The writers, to please the fandumb, will probably make Tsundere McDaisy-dukes show up for like two episodes and leave. The question I have is will she have a forth generation pokemon? I mean it would be nice to see her with a Mantyke or something.

Unown_ July 30th, 2009 12:15 PM

^ if the writers are planning to implement the Togekiss part from Platinum there is a small chance too. Other than that... indeed, the Shinou League, but I think when Ash is back in Pallet Town is more likely.

weedle_mchairybug July 30th, 2009 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Unown_ (Post 4922477)
^ if the writers are planning to implement the Togekiss part from Platinum there is a small chance too. Other than that... indeed, the Shinou League, but I think when Ash is back in Pallet Town is more likely.

You mean, if they even intend to implement Togekiss at all in the show. I mean, it's getting less and less likely that Cynthia would use her Platinum Team (I mean, they have not used Byron's Platinum Lineup, nor have they used Candice's Platinum Lineup. If they don't even use Volkner's Platinum Lineup, and instead stick with their DP lineup, then the chances that the Elite 4 or Cynthia using Platinum Lineups (IF Ash is going to even challenge them, that is) are going to be 1% at best.). Plus, going by how the writers have portrayed the Toge line (IE, having it be an uber rare pokemon, even going as far as to treat them as if they were some sort of Legendary Pokemon line, and not giving Togetic a debut in Johto [making it one of only two Generation II Pokemon to not debut in the Johto saga at all [the other being Porygon2]), they definitely won't utilize it as being a random COTD Pokemon or even a POTD.

However, there is still an option that can be considered OTHER than Togekiss, a Sinnoh League Cameo or a Pallet Town reunion to have Misty come back.

That's right, a Whirl Cup-esque competition. I mean, it would prove whether Misty's status as a Gym Leader really does work towards her goal of becoming a WPM or not, and it would give Ash a way to train for either the League or for Volkner. I mean, if they can insert a random Water Pokemon related Pokemon Contest for no reason other than as an excuse for May to appear, they can do the same for Misty.

Now, I'll bet that Misty does worse than before, even though I don't like it, because of how Ash's inexperienced team wins against Gym Leaders. It would also have her realize that doing the Gym simply won't get her closer to becoming a WPM, and if anything, would actually drive her even further away from her goal than before, and she'll decide to retire from becoming a Gym leader, and one of two possible scenarios occur. 1. She returns as a Main Character, or 2. She starts her own journey.

I Laugh at your Misfortune! July 30th, 2009 1:53 PM

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Originally Posted by weedle_mchairybug (Post 4921416)
Dawn doesn't even have a club dedicated to her, from what I heard.

http://www.pokecommunity.com/showthread.php?t=184056

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That's also not even taking into account the fact that the anime's average ratings have sunk since Misty left
I sincerely doubt that the loss of ratings is purely due to Misty's departure.

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A Study called "Pokemon: Exploring the Role of Gender" had reviewed it and said that kids respected Misty for her assertiveness and aggression, whileas college students respected her for her romance.
I just liked her because she was hawt she was a more genuinely interesting character :|

weedle_mchairybug July 30th, 2009 1:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Screw the rules, I have green hair! (Post 4922885)

Well, OK, but I've definitely heard that Dawn never had her own fanclub on BMGf. Though going by the first post, the club was only started recently. Still, a club exists.

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I sincerely doubt that the loss of ratings is purely due to Misty's departure.
Maybe it does, maybe it doesn't, but it DEFINITELY played a large role in the ratings dropping, at least.

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I just liked her because she was hawt she was a more genuinely interesting character :|

Spinor July 31st, 2009 9:59 AM

God damn it. What kind of crap have we created with a meaningless argument over Wikipedia's credibility if it's extremely obvious it is not credible.

So if you Mistyholics are gonna just agree over some stupid wiki that gets edited by mindless 10-year olds who have nothing else to do online but spam the freaking hell out of every single freaking thing just like this. This season will end, Misty not back. The next season will end, Misty not back. The next season comes, Misty may visit but she will not be permanent. Misty is officially a broken "dream". Wait "dream". Notice that? What is a person worth if their "dreams" are worth a stupid drawing? By adding stupidity to stupidity we fuel more stupidity, thus even more stupidity until the world asplodes and the holy bejesus goes "DAMN, BIOTCH!" We mean this by 2012 right? By then it won't be any surprise that I see 5 year olds with iPhones editing the freaking Wiki and a few hundred teens rioting Pokemon because of a stupid drawing that need to get a life. "Oh noes! But girls are dieing anorexic cuz they think be sexyz0rd liek misty ftw!" They are not stupid based on intelligence! They know they will die by shooting themselves with an MP40 or by stopping their diet. That only proves those kinds of people are stupid with common sense which can only be controlled by themselves and themselves only. People that give no worth to their life, do nothing in their life, and are too lazy to think right are not worthy of respect. I hope the next generation is educated enough to look at those people and think "What has that person done in his life?". Oh nothing, they just tried to riot a cartoon drawing back into a box. After that they kinda screwed their money on the forks and torches. Very dumb huh? Well it sure ain't gonna be the end of the world if they don't succeed. So why try? You all got other things in life to enjoy besides rioting stupidity. Let it be, damn it! Get out of your stupid PC trying to waste your life if that is all you are doing! The return of a stupid drawing will be based on Nintendo and Nintendo alone. NOT YOU.

Unown_ July 31st, 2009 10:02 AM

^ I think that point is already made clear in a dozen posts by now....

Spinor July 31st, 2009 10:08 AM

But apparently, tha point cannot get through enough heads. If I have to repeat it as many times as Chuck Norris has roundhoused, or as many times as George Bush has done stupidities just to get it across every single mind then I will do it with as many degrees and points as possible. I'd type it in leet-speak to get it across the freaking noobs if I had to!

weedle_mchairybug July 31st, 2009 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by AdvancedK9 (Post 4927029)
But apparently, tha point cannot get through enough heads. If I have to repeat it as many times as Chuck Norris has roundhoused, or as many times as George Bush has done stupidities just to get it across every single mind then I will do it with as many degrees and points as possible. I'd type it in leet-speak to get it across the freaking noobs if I had to!

I got your point long before you decided to do "leet-speak", but that does NOT mean I have to agree with you. Yes, Wikipedia may not have had the best history in regards to editors, yes, I know you have an absolute hatred of Misty (I get the feeling that, even if it was stated on one of the more reliable sites, you'd still say it's unreliable.), WE GOT THAT POST OVER AND OVER. However, Wikipedia has been doing better, and it's actually sourcing several of it's statements much better. And also, as I said on another thread, if you don't like Misty, then, since Misty fans are always going to be on this forum, leave the forum.

And I already stated that my Health Classes had taught us about the whole Anorexia/Bulimia issue and how Modeling Magazines among others are responsible, so I'm not going to bother repeating myself.

Spinor July 31st, 2009 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by weedle_mchairybug (Post 4927066)
I got your point long before you decided to do "leet-speak", but that does NOT mean I have to agree with you. Yes, Wikipedia may not have had the best history in regards to editors, yes, I know you have an absolute hatred of Misty (I get the feeling that, even if it was stated on one of the more reliable sites, you'd still say it's unreliable.), WE GOT THAT POST OVER AND OVER. However, Wikipedia has been doing better, and it's actually sourcing several of it's statements much better. And also, as I said on another thread, if you don't like Misty, then, since Misty fans are always going to be on this forum, leave the forum.

And I already stated that my Health Classes had taught us about the whole Anorexia/Bulimia issue and how Modeling Magazines among others are responsible, so I'm not going to bother repeating myself.

No, I do not hate Misty enough to go "ZOMFG DAI U BASTURD". But why do you say Wikipedia has gotten more reliable? Look back at the first quote in the first post. There was no citation. Thus by human logic since there is no proof to back it up, it's not true, period. Get that phrase out of there. And I am not stupid enough to leave a forum because a fanbase related to a fanbase once annoyed the hell out of me. But I know how to cope with it.

And I am surprised your health classes taught you that. That case actually has more to do with psychology than general health.

weedle_mchairybug July 31st, 2009 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by AdvancedK9 (Post 4927099)
No, I do not hate Misty enough to go "ZOMFG DAI U BASTURD". But why do you say Wikipedia has gotten more reliable? Look back at the first quote in the first post. There was no citation.

You know, I get the feeling that that citation was based on the one involving Mayumi Iizuka saying that she would voice Misty in the future (you know, the Bulbanews article "Kasumi to make appearance in Anime").

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Thus by human logic since there is no proof to back it up, it's not true, period. Get that phrase out of there. And I am not stupid enough to leave a forum because a fanbase related to a fanbase once annoyed the hell out of me. But I know how to cope with it.
Cope with it, you seem to be insulting them most of the time. That isn't really coping. In fact, if anything, the insults you have issued on the Misty fans in the past seem to imply an inability to cope. No Offense, of course. I'm just saying that it doesn't seem to equate to coping from my analysis of behavior.

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And I am surprised your health classes taught you that. That case actually has more to do with psychology than general health.
Oh, believe me, you'd be surprised at what Peachtree Charter Middle School could teach you. Heck, they even had a seminar during the sixth grade where they pretty much said that this was the reason (and one of the speakers, who I know well due to her being a neighbor, mentioned that the secret to the whole "super-thinness" factor was screening, Citing her experience as an agent from Hollywood as to how she knew this.)


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