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SharpPoint July 30th, 2009 8:25 PM

What about Nintendo?
 
I see that 95% of all hacks never credit Nintendo, the reason we are here. It's not really a big of a deal but what do you think?

Should Nintendo get credited for creating Pokemon in the first place?

Or, should Nintendo not get credited seeing as the community created the tools needed to even hack a ROM of their game....?

(When I say Nintendo, I guess you could include GameFreak as well)

JBW July 31st, 2009 3:35 AM

They should get credit, and gamefreak. The hacks we make are good because of nintendo's ideas and innovation, not because of our hacking skills.

hi sir tomato my password is syvniti July 31st, 2009 4:13 AM

Credits sux anyway.. For all people here it's more importent to credit some random spriter who draw a single tile, instead of crediting the tool makes and researcher...

Full Metal July 31st, 2009 5:31 AM

i think it depends on how much of the original game you actually use...
if you change every last graphic detail, and map, events...
you only kept the original asm of the game...the asm alone deserves credits...
so yea... Nintendo needs credits, but seeing as this is a POKEMON hacking
thread then it's sorta expected that any hacks are going to be recognized as having
a Nintendo base. Which is all that credits are. Recognizing people for their work, if it
gets done, then Nintendo has credits IMO. Just cuz the word isn't their doesn't mean
they aren't recognized

me2hack July 31st, 2009 5:35 AM

Well they made it in the first place, so yeah i think so.

SharpPoint July 31st, 2009 12:07 PM

I always thought they should be included somewhere on the thread. Even if they are mentioned last on the credits, they deserve to be on the list IMO.

IceSage July 31st, 2009 12:09 PM

I had always assumed that Nintendo being the original creators was always implied. Just for the same reason most games and hacks don't list Satoshi Tajiri-Oniwa.

insectduel July 31st, 2009 12:47 PM

Nintendo should be credited because you coding/ the game without permission. Even with changed music, the original music makers deserve it too.

Robert Conley July 31st, 2009 1:24 PM

People who deserve credit in Rom Hacks:
Nintendo
Gamefreak
The Tool Makers
Fakemon Spriters
Tilemakers
The Creator of the hack
and maybe Mappers

SharpPoint July 31st, 2009 3:11 PM

I thinks its safe to say practically everyone agrees that Nintendo should get credit.

Kyouya July 31st, 2009 3:17 PM

i credit ninteno all the time for not being bored out of my mind

Coolboyman July 31st, 2009 5:00 PM

Give credit for not just Nintendo or Gamefreak, but each individual person who worked on the original game and what they did. Put them in the credits at the end of your game, or in your readme. They all deserve their acknowledgment.

SharpPoint July 31st, 2009 5:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coolboyman (Post 4928681)
Give credit for not just Nintendo or Gamefreak, but each individual person who worked on the original game and what they did. Put them in the credits at the end of your game, or in your readme. They all deserve their acknowledgment.

I agree. Altought I don't think we will ever find out every single individual who helped. Sure, the credits in the game show a lot of names, but it's just the most important people.

I think a simple 'Credits to Nintendo, Gamefreak and everyone who helped make [Insert game name here].' works for me.

hunterzhorizon August 2nd, 2009 2:45 AM

Honestly crediting them just sounds bad to me, like oh we took your game and changed it, idk its like were adding are own creativity, but they could take it as what it wasnt good enough, when thats not the case we just want MORE. lol
so prolly credit them if your rom actully gets big, otherwise it souldnt matter too much.
just my opion.

SharpPoint August 2nd, 2009 8:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hunterzhorizon (Post 4935616)
Honestly crediting them just sounds bad to me, like oh we took your game and changed it, idk its like were adding are own creativity, but they could take it as what it wasnt good enough, when thats not the case we just want MORE. lol
so prolly credit them if your rom actully gets big, otherwise it souldnt matter too much.
just my opion.

I think it doesn't matter if your rom is 'big' or not, Nintendo deserves credit for a ton of reasons. :P


Off-topic: I wonder if Nintendo plays our hacks...Or even knows about PC.

Hedgehogger August 2nd, 2009 9:08 PM

It's pretty hard to assume as to why Nintendo should NOT get credit...But at the same time, you have to think: Even though Nintendo's being given credit for making the original games we're hacking from, they actually could still sue us, since ROMs in themselves are illegal, and we're basically changing someone else's work so heavily that it's almost like a completely new game. So in a way, crediting them would be like saying: "Kudos to Nintendo/GameFreak for making Pokemon FireRed...An excellent game for me to use as my ROM Base for my totally new hack, Pokemon InsertATitleHere!" So really, crediting them would be more like an issue of conscience...maybe. Idk.

I'm pretty sure Nintendo DOES know there's people out there who hack their games, but all the years' worth of paperwork and filing lawsuits would take eternities to catch up to every single hacker out there.

Ninja Caterpie August 3rd, 2009 12:43 AM

Definitely.

Which reminds me, I need to fix up my thread and check the credits.

.Seth August 3rd, 2009 12:52 AM

I think that they should, and they do. When you hear credits and pokemon in the same sentence, don't you think of Nintendo/Gamefreak? It's a bit of an automatic assumption.

Alucus_Of_Borg August 3rd, 2009 3:05 AM

most people do but i surpose it starts getting redundent after a while cus we all know who made the games so a lot of people dont see the point

Pokepal17 August 3rd, 2009 5:06 AM

Hmm, I think we should credit them, but we don't have to. It's not like they're asking us for credits. They don't even care about our ROM hacks.

SharpPoint August 3rd, 2009 6:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pokepal17 (Post 4939547)
Hmm, I think we should credit them, but we don't have to. It's not like they're asking us for credits. They don't even care about our ROM hacks.

Of course they don't care about our ROM hacks. It's a slap to the face to them.

Nintendo: Thanks a lot guys. You took a perfectly good FireRed and ruined it. Don't blame us if we start sueing. (Evil laughs come from the president)

Ninja Caterpie August 4th, 2009 12:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SharpPoint (Post 4939713)
Of course they don't care about our ROM hacks. It's a slap to the face to them.

Not necessarily. If it's such a slap in the face, don't you think they would do something? I think it's kinda a bit "isn't it good as it is?" and a bit "you like it so much you want to make your own game?!".

Luck August 4th, 2009 12:37 AM

Yes, Nintendo should be credited, but I don't think you should credit everyone. you won't credit Satoshi Tajiri for creating the game, or Junichi Masuda for the music, and I have seen no one credit them seperately. Of course, when you credit Nintendo and Gamefreak, I guess you are supposed to assume/imply that it includes every single person in the game, including translators(when you are using a non-japanese rom.)

Thrace August 4th, 2009 12:50 AM

The patches only contain the changes that we have made, ie. no data that was created by GameFreak or Nintendo so technically we aren't using any of their copyright material (yes, I know this argument doesn't really hold water but I'm too tired to think about it now).

I don't really see the need for it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by SharpPoint (Post 4928998)
I agree. Altought I don't think we will ever find out every single individual who helped. Sure, the credits in the game show a lot of names, but it's just the most important people.

I think a simple 'Credits to Nintendo, Gamefreak and everyone who helped make [Insert game name here].' works for me.

He was being sarcastic... I think.

Ninja Caterpie August 4th, 2009 11:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thrace (Post 4942658)
He was being sarcastic... I think.

Holy crap, coolboyman being sarcastic?!

No, I'm pretty sure he's being serious.


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