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The male protagonist is a fashion disaster
I know that the characters in Pokemon aren't exactly known for their fashion sense, but in the fourth gen games it really seemed like Ken Sugimori had started giving at least some priority to the clothes that characters were wearing. In my opinion, Lucas and Dawn looked really cool, and some of the NPCs did too (Cynthia's fur coat was amazing).
I was hoping that fashion would become an even higher priority in future games, until we eventually get Ai Yazawa-calibre character designs, but then I saw the concept art for the Heart Gold/Soul Silver protagonists and my hopes were dashed. Admittedly, the new girl doesn't look too bad, but the male character is wearing a backwards-facing baseball cap and three-quarter length pants. That wouldn't have been so bad if this was the mid-nineties or something, but we're living in 2009! Clothes like that are socially unacceptable! And yes, I know that his clothes are supposed to be an homage to the main character in Gold and Silver, but to be honest they weren't even in style back then. It's a fashion disaster, I tell you! I'm sat here crying into my copy of Vogue! |
Hmmm... I must disagree with you. I like the design for male character. He's one of the few people that can make the backwards cap look work imo... I don't really think it should matter too much what they look like anyway.
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This makes Gold a simple yet complete looking character. I would kill for his clothes because they're awesome.
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What are you talking about? Golds outfit is the coolest one of all the male protagonists! If I were to cosplay any of them it would be HIM.
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I thought the HGSS girl was fashion challenged; she's wearing knee high socks, overalls, and a huge hat. I don't know any little girls wearing something like that (more like some sparkly Hannah Montana shirt and skirt lol). Dawn and Cynthia are nice; no comment on Lucas as I forgot his design.
I think Gold is the smexiest guy. He's 10 years old so he's gonna be a little boy with a backwards sports cap.. I wouldn't want him in short shorts either. Since when are Pokemon trainers/fans socially acceptable, honestly? |
Such a fashion diva, aren't we?
Clothes don't make the person, sweetie. Plus, you won't be seeing much concept art, except in the guide. ;) |
So like, when am I going to be able to dress my character like a Pirate-Goth? :P :pirate:
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If you think he's bad look at the female.
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actually the girl is the biggest fashion disaster in all the games heck even worse then dawn and lucas
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Gold looks fine. But Soul might just disgust me. Though she has thigh high socks (only fashionable thing on here) what is up with everything else? And the hat??
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I actually really like Gold's design, though I don't like Soul's outfit at all. But think of it this way: Their overworld sprits are so tiny that you won't be able to see their outfits in excruciating detail, and you won't even see Gold from the waist down (for those who don't like his pants) when you're in battle. As for Soul's hat, I can't offer much consolation there other than I'll probably just ignore it.
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Who would be happy if Nintendo put Kris back in at the last minute and ditched Soul?
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Just one thing to say, you know when somebody is cool if they are wearing their hat backwards.
Enough said. haha |
With each new character their outfit gets worse.
Red - Acceptable Gold - Acceptable Kris - Somewhat Acceptable May - Okay Brendan - Bad Wes - Bad Rui - Bad Leaf - Bad Michael - Ew Dawn - Bad Lucas - Really bad Soul - Horrible |
What? This is the best male protagonist I've ever seen. I like the backwards hat and the shorts. It's better than the beret. It's much better than Luca's DP outfit. Anyway, clothes sometimes go back in style. And there is something called "retro?" Right? At least his pants aren't yellow. I like the black shorts better. The girls' outfit may not be "fashion forward," but it's not bad for a Pokemon game. The girl reminds me of a painter. I could care less if people wear those size hats or not, but I like the hat. I wouldn't wear it, though, but it's okay. It looks like the girl stole Kris' hat, put a bow on, and inflated it. I remember seeing a hat that size in Joyce Leslie (a clothing store) last year. It had a pattern on it, though. I don't see the "socks" as socks. I see them as knee highs that should be sheer. At least the colors match. They had to keep the yellow on Gold's hat.
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I, too, like Gold's new design, but Soul on the other hand, makes me wanna call the Fashion Police..it looks like she stole Toad's hat(from Mario)..:(
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I think you should check back on Lucas, I don't remember those hats being fashionably popular since the 40s. Besides Gold looks good, don't you just love 90s look, backwards caps are still popular, well not really but he looks fine. I don't really like the way Soul looks, her OW sprite looks okay but her battle sprite is a bit too much for me.
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That made me LOL..nice work..anyways.. I liked Leaf's hat..it was nice..
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Only problem with gold is the collar. Not the white one but the shirt collar on a hoodie.
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gold looks amazing also try to remember that this game was made in the 90s 1999 to be exact the clothes in hgss are adaptations of the origionals
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I really like Gold's design, in opinion, he's the best looking male protagonist so far.
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Guys, are you seriously saying that you'd go outside today wearing a backwards-facing baseball cap?
I wouldn't, because 90's fashion is not cool. Seriously, a retro look is fine (which is why I like Lucas), but 90's fashion hasn't yet become retro, and I doubt it ever will because it lacks any semblance of charm. It was a terrible decade for fashion, from which we've only recently recovered. Of course, this is just my opinion. |
I've seen characters in Anime wear similar style clothes to both Gold and Soul.
All of you are comparing the clothing style in a JAPANESE game to AMERICAN fashion. You guys have to rememeber we're talking about two different cultures :/ |
I don't think his outfit is that bad. It's not my favorite, of course.
Dunsparce has a point. I love Japanese fashion. I just don't like her hat. >.> <.< |
I liked the way his clothes looked in the originals, but these new clothes aren't too great I must admit. I haven't much of a problem, however, as fashion doesn't matter to me much.
If only he wore jeans with that hoodie... |
whats a NPC?-.-"
To me, I think that the clothes get worse and worse throughout the games :t354:TG |
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I'd wear a backwards baseball cap. lol I may even wear it sideways like the youngster does in HGSS. XD I've seen the characters in Animal Crossing wear sideways caps. Also, like others have said, you're comparing Japanese fashion to American fashion. The decade is almost over. (Usually new fashions every decade.) Who knows? Maybe we'll start wearing over sized hats w/ bows and backwards baseball caps again. XD
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I think they've made him like this so he would look more childish... just think all the trainers in the games are supposed to be 10 years old.... yet none of them look ten more like 16... but now look at the new heros they look like kids dont they?
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Im going to have to disagree with you here, I personally like Gold's look and I hardly care what they look like. I've never cared too much about any of them except for Lucas. I felt a little left out because I always thought of Lucas as being gay. don't get me wrong, I have nothing against gay people, I even have gay friends, but I'm not gay and having my player character wear a a beret and scarf kinda killed it for me. I've never liked berets, not even on girls, and as for scarfs, well lets just say I'd rather have my sinnoh pokemon journey in a t-shirt and shorts than wear a scarf. (as a matter of fact I hardly wear a coat, jacket, or long sleeved anything in the winter to begin with)
As for wearing a backwards hat, thats the only way I wear a hat. I can't stand wearing it forward, I feel like a dork. |
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And yes they do, except for Silver. They made him use Jenny Creg or something. Mr.Chubbz is now Mr.Twig and his eye color magically changed...CONTACTZ D: |
I like Gold's new clothes.....that's something that i'd wear :P I just don't like the way Red's hat looks in FR/LG why can't his hair stick out the front? It would look cooler......
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I would have to disagree as well. I think Gold is one of the cooler looking characters, as well as Red. I think Brendan, May, and Crystal look pretty good too. Dawn even looks alright.
But..Lucas. He looks like the worst representation of a Pokemon trainer I've seen. I know, who am I to say what a Pokemon trainer looks like. It's just the way NPC's in the games describe trainers, I just imagine someone (if they were male) in jeans and a t-shirt with a backpack. Lucas looks like he's going to a fancy dinner dance, not on a Pokemon journey. May and Crystal have the best female outfits. Of course Dawn's is nice, but I don't know about that skirt in the cold Sinnoh region haha. But hey, whatever, it's Pokemon. I definitely think Pokemon would benefit from having a few alternate outfits for each character, or something of the like. |
Since Gold/Silver was released in the late 90's early 2000's, I believe they might be trying to make the characters resemble that. I don't know this for sure, of course, but, it could be a reason.
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WHAT! Gold looks awesome and allways has done!
Lucas looks...how do I put it?...CAMP! |
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And from what I've seen, In Japan, there is no cultural connections between Overalls and the Countryside. Characters like Tsukasa from Lucky Star have worn similar Overalls on many occasions. |
I absolutely love Gold's clothes. Probably something I would wear, other than the baseball cap. But it looks fine on him.
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I still think Lucas has the worst outfit of any character in any pokemon game. I mean...just look at the beret. This is why I always play as Dawn in DPPt... >_>
Gold's original design was admittedly kinda silly (who wears a red hoodie with bright yellow shorts?), but his redesign comes a bit closer to feasibility. At least they made his pants black and gave them the semblance of long pants that have been rolled up...I still don't see why seeing his calves are absolutely necessary... >_< ...and don't dis a backwards baseball cap, it makes you look awesome. ^_^ |
Well unlike you, we're not slaves to the world of fashion. Gold looks retro and cool. Besides its a remake hes going to look the same.
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i think the big hat would work if it was a bit smaller, soul had her hair worn down and the hat didn't have a stupid bow on the back of it. Couple that with jeans and a normal t-shirt and you have yourself a better looking soul.
Now as for Gold, no, im not even gonna bother. he makes lucas look like gok wan (a fashion guru for those who dont know), but he's meant to be ten, so who cares. |
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That is kind of strange. The standard for Pokemon Trainers is 10 y/o, but recently they have seemed older, perhaps 14-17 y/o. Why such a late start? |
I just saw the new JC Penney commercial, and a couple of guys were wearing ...guess what?.... BACKWARDS BASEBALL CAPS. Just like Gold.
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I have to say that the male character's clothes definitely look better than the female's. Sure, I agree with you when you say that he's wearing a backwards hat, but the girl's outfit is what's really terrible in these versions. Seriously, what kind of girl her age wears overall shorts anymore? I mean, I like her hat...but I think SHE'S the fashion disaster.
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Oooh pooor you
it must be so terrible to see Gold wear such dreadful clothes HOW DARE THEY I OUGHTA CALL THE FASHION POLICE its just so terrible!!11 >n< I think Gold has some mighty fine pixels to be honest ;o No love for Soul either i see I find those sexy overalls and that cream puff hat enchanting Now the only characters whose clothes i dislike are Kris's (just the colors though, ick) and Brendan, (whats with his hat D:) Though i don't really find Dawn's clothes appropriate for an adventure ._. I actually think Lucas is cute D: |
Red=cute
Gold=adorable, not a fan of yellow shorts, but I like how he wears shorts instead of pants. Kris=meh not too crazy about the blue hair or bicycle shorts. (Wished she had a natural hair color when I first played it.) May=Okay, Better than Kris. Brendan=first outfit was weird, but the second one was better. Leaf=Not too bad, but the trainer sprite isn't as good as the artwork. The hat is weird. I wish she had a baseball cap like Red did. Red=Cute but I like the original better. Dawn (DP)=Fashionable, but I really want to remove that red scarf. It doesn't go. Dawn(Platinum)=It's better. Happy the socks and the scarf match better. Lucas (DP)=Looks like he could be Pearl's (the rival's) boyfriend. Lucas (Platinum)=Much better than DP's outfit, but I would still remove that hat. Gold=Best male protagonist ever. I love his shorts and I love his shoes and shirt. Soul=Has smoother hair than Kris. The overalls make her look like a painter. The hat is cute. I could do w/out the shoes, but it's not that bad. Like the fact that she isn't wearing a Pokeball logo and the fact that her shirt is similar to Gold's old shirt. Appears to be the first female protagonist with brown eyes. From the black trim on the socks and up, Soul's outfit isn't that bad. http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g147/KartWheelyGirl/SoulHeart.png I like Gold's new look. He's cute. :) |
Okay Ms. I-Want-To-Show-Off-That-I-Have-More-Fashion-Sense-Than-Everyone-Here, let's explain some stuff.
Firstly, Dunsparce is right. Japanese have a different Fashion-sense. Secondly, Sugimori probably wasn't trying to cater to the whims of self-proclaimed teenage fashion divas when he was making this guy. His standard was probably a bit lower than your fashion-quota. ;] |
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I don't give a rat's hat about fashion, so I don't mind either Gold or Soul's outfits-or any of the character's outfits for that matter. But I'll admit, Brendan has a pretty weird hat, and Dawn seems obsessed with skirts. |
i kind a liked Brendan's look, It was somehow different from the others and with that i mean no stupid caps or barrets
I always liked to wear a bandanna. |
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I dunno, IMO if your going to care about what the character is going to wear, you shouldn't be playing the games. Also, who says the games take place in 2009? The fashion in the game is just fine.
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They're my choice for battling ;D |
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Now wearing your hat backwards is good since the rim doesn't get in your way. The only time it does when you are driving then you have to take the hat off. Still as I said before, only cool people wear their hats backwards. That is how you know they were cool. Also remember, Gold's design was based on what was it at the time. Wearing your hat backwards was it and still it now. THey had to redesign him without getting rid of his spirit. Wearing his hat backwards is his spirit! If you get rid of of his hat being backwards then you lose Gold. |
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That white thing on top of his head is a hat? I always thought it was his hair...
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I thought it was a bandanna. How else did we know he had white hair...?
the only objections I've really had were Dawn wearing a skirt in Plat, the odd hat for Soul, and all the square hats in Gen1 (brace for impact) I really don't like Gold's pants, but meh. |
Eh, I really don't care. I don't think Gold's outfit is that bad; it seems to be in the norm compared to other characters' outfits. Then again, don't the majority of the characters in Pokemon wear really far-out outfits?
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in the case of brendans hair
its not as easy to see in the RS art but in the Emerald art http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/f/fa/Emerald_Brendan.png he has black sideburns o: hats = automatic cool according to pokemon o: Brendan just wants to be as cool as Gold and Red :> |
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His backsprite makes it much more clear his hair is black. |
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http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/3/35/RS_Brendan_Back.png oh yeaaaa xD; |
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http://www.spriters-resource.com/gameboy_advance/pokeem/malehero.png |
What's with all the trouser bashing? I quite like Gold's three quarter lengths, besides I've seen plenty of people out in ones like them. Maybe they're just not as popular in America (I mean IRL)
Also I tried wearing my cap backwards on sports day... didn't work for me, I looked about 4 years younger. But now I think about it that's about Gold's age anyways. |
What kind of hat is that?!
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Personally, i don't care about the clothes they wear i just play the game and enjoy it but customiseable clothing would be cool.
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Thanks to this revelation, I will never look at Brendan the same. >_>
That is a really weird hat. O_o |
Am I the only one amused by the fact that Gold out of him and Soul is complained about than the latter? He has had his character design for 10 years, I believe. HeartGold and SoulSilver are remakes of the original Gold, Silver and Crystal; while there are changes implemented there are various things kept the same, and that would be Gold's look.
Besides, what's so bad about the backwards cap look? That to me shows the prim demeanour of a youth, the sort of image the designer was going for in the first place. It's not uncommon, it's still a rather trendy fashion statement as I've seen a fair number of people go around with a backwards cap on their head, they usually know how to work the look and I have not seen anybody complain about it until I read the very first post in this thread. Honestly? I don't see anything wrong whatsoever, but each to their own I suppose. |
I've actually never had a problem with any of the characters' outfits.
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The HGSS male protagonist looks hot, LEAVE HIM ALONE! j/k lol
Seriously both Heart and soul look good/older. |
The main difference is that the pokemon world is not the same as the real world, so of course you wont see people going out wearing the same clothes, just like you wont see people going out with their pokemon.
Not to mention the whole japanese fashion thing. Personally I think Gold's outfit is very fashionable and bold. I find his pants are really cool and make him look sporty - fitting the whole pokethlon thing the games have now. |
I think hes fine. Just the pants are a little weird.
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Because ten year olds running around getting dirty in the grass need to have outfits strung together by Coco Chanel herself. Hey, at least they aren't trendy hipsters.
But still, Gold's backwards cap doesn't compare to Lucas' floppy hat. That was tragic. |
Oh god, he's wearing capris isn't he?
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I don't care much about graphics at all. The concept art is not only just a concept, but it's not like you will see it on the overworld, unless backwards hats are too much of a deal to you. And since when was pokemon supposed to be a fashion show? Please tell me, because I clearly didn't get the message. |
This is Pokemon, not a Fashion Show, okeis, sweetie? ;3 (go play DP's contests if you so insist on playing both together.)
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and this affects the game how?
stop nitpicking,its really really annoying. |
/pops in
the beret is awesome ;0 Lucas just wants to be one of the cool kids Because all the cool kids wear hats But you see he just can't be as cool as Gold. The coolest kids wear their hats ~backwards~ |
I liked Gold's clothes the most, yeah. They're reminiscent of Ash's clothes in the R/B/Y games so there's a bit of a nostalgic feel to them. Kind of like how Mutt Williams' clothes look like Indiana Jones'. Its not the same guy but the outfit gives you the feel of the character.
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All male proganists wear awesome clothes expect for lucas cuz he is the wrst excuse for a boy ever
All female proganists wear bad clothes and hats expect for may and kris also soul is more uglier than dawn xd |
I agree that Soul is a fashion disaster, I hate his look...
I like his female counterpart more - Heart, impressive outfit she has. Well Dawn and Lucas had the best outfits (all DPP) of all protagonists!! [= |
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The best dou are brendan and may |
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Lucas is awesome D8 If anything it's brendan and his stupid hat And what do you mean Dawn is unfashionable?! Dawn is like, the most fashionable of all the girls u_u IMO okai |
I think Soul looks the oldest. I like soul's look. He would look goood in real life. :'D
Same thing with Heart. They both look like 15! |
Soul is actually the female character's name. The male character's name is Gold.
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Lucas has to be the worst. I wish we could play as barry. atleast his clothes are tolerable.
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Want to know what male character is a fashion disaster, look at Diamond, Pearl, and PLatinum's, he is mental looking. Gold is awesome, he just makes the yellow Pants and the backwards hat work.
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If the girl was soul, the boy would be heart. And on the screen shots the boy is soul, the girl heart. "Gold" was the name coined by fans from back in GSC days. However, they have no official names, or even defaults yet. |
WTF.
Does it really honestly matter what the characters look like? Is it that big of a deal?? It's a video game. Sorry to be blunt, but it just seems a little silly to me that what video game characters' wear in games is such a dilemma. |
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Maybe they aren't official, but its what they are known as, and people aren't going to change just because you think its like that. |
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OK. This weird names discussion:
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Now, this even weirder fashion disscussion: If you've really got to reach in into the GB, GBC, GBA, and NDS games OF YOUR LIFE, and pull out their protagonists, who defeated Team Rocket, won the League, saved the world and so on, and throw them into the light of the fashion studio located somewhere far, far away from where the Pokémon games were produced, then OK, I just might take a look then... I think Gold (or Soul, or Kenny or whatever, I don't care) is OK. Not really great, I never liked the character that much anyways, but I mean, this is HeartGold and SoulSilver, you guys have been waiting 10 years for these friggen games! And when they come, you just punch the Protagonists in their faces (not litterary), because of what those ten-yearolds or their mothers decided to put on as clothing. Wow, I love you, I really do -_- Soul (or Heart, or... Meh.) ... First I thougth she sucked, but she's OK, at least better than Kris (don't punch me, it's just my opinion)... Red (old):pretty OK, but he looks evil to me :cer_evil: Brendan: He's a disaster, and on the RS art, he looks like he's in the 30:s... So, he and May... Eww... May: Not bad, but certainly not good. *Arr! Me be a pirate, me is!* Red (FrLg): Me actually like, but too linear or whatever (Getting a total makeover in my Fan-Manga, shhh) Leaf: It's simple, and I actually like it ^^ (But she's getting a jacket in my fan-manga!) Lucas (DP): I'm not even gonna say anything here... Gosh... Dawn (DP): Well... At least you can sure see she's trying... But I don't like it. Come back in Platinum, and I'll see what I can do. Lucas (Pt): Good, at least better... - Now! *falls down trap hole* Aaaaaaaaaa... Carvanha: Yummy, Yummy! Dawn (Pt): Good, you've learned now, I like the jacket. Now join your friend! Eeeeeeeeek... *Pokey Out* |
Come to think about it (while reading GymLeaderLily's post above), wouldn't it be fun if there were a Trainer class wearing Viking helmets (not that they actually had horns in real, but it would be fun), like, "Viking Maniacs"/"Viking Kid"... And they would like have wooden swords and the player could buy herbs from them or something... Now that would be a fashion disaster to start a thread about, wouldn't it? I think I just got an idea for a hack...
Anyways, I think the protagonists clothings are in many cases... What to say... Too detailed, they have these patterns and colours in their clothing in a way that (most) people in real life wouldn't wear... I guess it makes them stand out from the crowds of NPCs in the games, but I prefer when they are realistic. Like Leafs clothes, these are OK. The skirt may be a little too short, and they do follow the common Pokéball pattern if you look close, but it looks harmless to me. Gold could actully be some kind of sports guy, the shorts and the sweather makes him look like a football fan (not American football, I mean real football), which actually fits with Kris' jogging clothes. So that's not bad at all... Gosh, this is boring me. - Pokey out! |
Another Fashion Complaint Thread??!!
SERIOUSLY PEOPLE! The male and female outfits are the way they are and WON"T be changed!!! If you feel so deeply about this though, I have a simple option for you: a. Don't play the games b. Stop making the kinds of threads **PHEW** I absolutely love Gold's clothing, I'd wear it myself :)** |
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Its not as bad as it could have been. I dont really care what hes wearing because I didnt choose it.
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wtf???? Dawn and Lucas had a great fashion sense, and honestly, marina/kris had a fine fashion sense, green had a great fashion sense, and Dawn from Platinum had an amazing fashion sense I have no clue where the hell your coming from, but it doesn't seem very logical to me |
This topic deserves a "****ing Failure" seal of approval.
HEY GUYS. LET'S COMPLAIN ABOUT THE GUY'S CLOTHES. EVEN THOUGH WE ALREADY KNOW THAT POKEMON CHARACTERS HAVE THE TENDENCY TO DRESS IN REALLY GAUDY AND TACKY OUTFITS. AND YOU KNOW WHAT, LET'S COMPLAIN MORE BECAUSE IN GAME, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO SEE A VERY SMALL SPRITE OF WHICH YOU CAN BARELY SEE HIS CLOTHES. HOLY CRAP WE GOTTA COMPLAIN. THIS GAME IS A TRAVESTY. BOYCOTT IT, THROW IT INTO THE SEA IN FRONT OF NINTENDO HQ. BURN THEM BY THE POUND. Also, TC, you seem to think that your opinions are fact and that you're better than everyone else because you think you know how fashion works. THEY'RE NOT LOL, AND YOu'RE NOT LOL. |
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