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Vernikova August 4th, 2009 4:12 PM

In terms of quality, why do people consider Kanto better than other regions?
 
Really, why? I hear people talk about how great Kanto is compared to Johto, Hoenn, and Sinnoh a lot and it is really puzzling. It's pacing was pretty bad, any Gym battle outside of Lt. Surge or Blaine were mediocre or cheap, and the Pokémon, the real stars of the show, weren't treated well at all. Out of Ash's, Misty's, and Brock's Pokémon, only Charmander, Pidgeotto, Caterpie, and Krabby. In Sinnoh alone Ash has evolved Gligar, Turtwig, Chimchar, Aipom, and Starly as well as Dawn's Swinub and Brock's Bonsly. That's almost twice as many and they haven't even started the Sinnoh League so many more Pokémon may be evolving as well.

I know that there's going to be someone that says "It's their opinion." but I just want a better reason than that. I mean, you can say that you like Kanto better but it's when people say that it's better in quality when compared to Hoenn, Sinnoh, or even Johto that confuses me. Brock is being treated better, the female is bing treated better, the criminal syndicate is actually appearing unlike Team Rocket who really did nothing outside of the S. S. Anne and creating Mewtwo, and Ash's rival(s) are actually appearing with some kind of development with them.

This thread will probably get 1 to 5 posts but I could care less as long as someone actually answers the question: In terms of quality, why do people consider Kanto better than the other regions?

Lash August 4th, 2009 5:10 PM

It's the original region. It's the one original fans grew up on, the one that easily got anyone new to the franchise hooked.

I should know, I've been a fan since 1999. Back when Kanto was the only known region in the states before Johto was introduced. Since Kanto introduced me to this eternal franchise, it will always be my preferred region.

Vernikova August 4th, 2009 5:21 PM

So it's because of nostalgia?

That was actually the answer I was expecting. I've been a fan since Kanto as well but I never seen the appeal of it to be honest and I was just wondering why people viewed Kanto in that light.

Oh well. That's the only answer I need so thank you.

Mew~ August 5th, 2009 2:31 AM

Nostalgia!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And people just love complaining for no good reason.... its realy realy rrreeeaaaallllyyy stupid you people need to wake up and smell the fresh air! the indigo season is never comming back and thats it XP

No offence to anyone ^^

Jorah August 5th, 2009 3:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Vernikova (Post 4945588)
So it's because of nostalgia?

That was actually the answer I was expecting. I've been a fan since Kanto as well but I never seen the appeal of it to be honest and I was just wondering why people viewed Kanto in that light.

Oh well. That's the only answer I need so thank you.

Hey, no. I found a great answer that isn't about nostalgia a few weeks ago on bmgf, and decided to save it, and seeing as you want an actual answer, I'll post it. The second is a response to the first.


Spoiler:
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The one thing people miss though is the "adventure" aspect of the series. This is one thing Kanto did nicely, and Hoenn had some of this too. The DP series is very heavily focused on battles. Even the fillers this arc are about battles. The characters are constantly battling or training their Pokemon. So if you don't find battles too interesting, I can see why people would lose interest in the current arc. The older seasons were more about the adventure, whereas the newer arcs (from say Battle Frontier onward, Hoenn wasn't as battle heavy just yet), the show became battle-centric. So the point is, do you like battles or adventure/comedy more? That's the main difference between Kanto and what the show has become.
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Very good points, very solid summation of things. Once you isolate the key differences like that, it's really easy to recognize.

I mean, since when have we had another case like The Marsh Badge, in which the gym leader was slightly corrupted and threatened Ash and co upon defeat, or they traveled to a dark and mysterious haunted tower to obtain a ghost Pokemon that would be key in success over the gym leader. There was more of an "adventure story" to it. Now it's more training and battle-oriented, in which Ash and co must develop techniques and strategies, or gain further experience before taking on a gym leader like Fantina. It's kind of straightforward. Now we see a lot of Ash, and even Dawn, training to improve, and actually developing various techniques/moves. Whereas in Kanto, battles at time would take a backseat, and Ash wouldn't even win each of his badges conventionally.

There is deeeefinitely a difference, and it really just comes down to preference, because both are great. In fact, if you really look at it, you can kind of see a steady development towards where the show is now...Kanto was a good mixture of adventure and battle, leaning towards more adventure.OI took this adventure theme and ran with it, by having the gang explore the islands, and even having the different gym leaders provide particular challenges and tasks that varied from battling.

While returning to the usual battle format, Johto had also packed the show with adventure, so much so that they had many episodes centering around quests that were unrelated to the goal of the protagonist, creating at least a 20-30 ep spand between most gym battles. In doing so, it tried to explore more of the habitat and nature of different Pokemon, which separated itself from Kanto in the type of adventure aspect.

Hoenn really began to emphasize the battling and competitive aspect of Pokemon more. Adventures were still carried out, but it was clear that there was kind of an overturn as to the direction of the show. With the addition of contests, we would not only see gym battles galore, but those of the contest as well, creating more competition, and more training involved.

Battle Frontier was like the exact opposite of OI in some aspects. It was clear that the theme was definitely to conquer the BF and Contests in Kanto.

And then, of course, there's Sinnoh. Sinnoh obviously has adventures as well, but it's quite clear that the competition aspect of the show has accelerated. We have a lot of onscreen training going on - much more than any amount we've had in the past. There's an emphasis on strategy, gaining experience, techniques, etc... All relating back to the main goal of either of the protagonists. Even in the Galactic Arcs, etc... There's a lot more battling going on than say, when Ash would take on some TR heads in the older seasons. The ratio's shifted to get to this point.

DonRoyale August 5th, 2009 11:46 AM

Two words: Character development.

There is very little character in the anime now that Ash has become a complete bland Gary-Stu (He's always been a Gary-Stu, he was just less bland when he was a bravado-ridden dumbass), Dawn has very little to no personality whatsoever, while Misty was chock full of it (which is the main reason why I like Misty over the other two girls in the first place), and Brock's whole flirting with girls routine has gotten very, VERY old.

And we had James' old VA, for the couple episodes it mattered.

The Pokemon might not have evolved, but to this day, they're some of his strongest. Bulbasaur can outperform some of Ash's strongest fully-evolved Pokemon.

Plus, there's "WHO'S THAT POKEMON?!", and the PokeRap.
The Narm-ridden opening theme.
The great BGM's. (RBY Gym theme, to give an example)
And the lack of filler, in comparison to the show's future (Dedicating an entire arc pretty much to filler, well over half of Johto being entirely filler, a lot of AG being filler, and the filler in DP being...retarded. :|)

Kanto ftw.

Wings Don't Cry August 5th, 2009 11:57 AM

Kanto was great but honestly the fights were a bit boring, I mean when Ash was gonna battle Richie in the Pokemon he only gets 5minutes to battle since he got kidnapped by Team Rocket for the first 15. Now Team Rocket don't intrude on important fights people have been waiting for but it's annoying if they try to get Pikachu during a League match.

~*!*~Tatsujin Gosuto~*!*~ August 8th, 2009 8:18 AM

I think because of Nostalgia and for the fact that the Battle Frontier was placed in Kanto


:t354:TG

Inferno1 August 8th, 2009 3:02 PM

I have no idea why but i dont really like kanto lol i think it is just a bit of a mess

Shadow Sneak Sableye August 8th, 2009 6:17 PM

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Originally Posted by rikudaman (Post 4948603)
Kanto was great but honestly the fights were a bit boring, I mean when Ash was gonna battle Richie in the Pokemon he only gets 5minutes to battle since he got kidnapped by Team Rocket for the first 15. Now Team Rocket don't intrude on important fights people have been waiting for but it's annoying if they try to get Pikachu during a League match.

that was part of the suspence to see if he'd even make it in time.

Napalm August 8th, 2009 6:39 PM

Kanto is what I first got used to, the classic, original idea. The classic voice, the classic characters. The classics are always the best in quality, I think.

BowtiePenguin August 8th, 2009 6:48 PM

1. The Pokemon were well-balanced, original and varied.
2. The story was spread out a bit and didn't play out like a check list.
3. The absence of stupid gimmicks like the PokeNav, Poketch, etc.
4. The story was, at this point, fresh and original.

You can't beat the original. Just ask 'New Coke'.

There's more, I just forget them.

Hatenko August 8th, 2009 6:56 PM

I'd think anyone prefers the region that was newest when they were introduced to the franchise. I was introduced to the anime about the time of late Kanto/early Johto and started playing at Hoenn. However, I prefer Sinnoh because I think it has the greatest diversity.

ReyRey-Pyon August 8th, 2009 8:43 PM

NostalgiaNostalgiaNostalgiaNostalgia
its actually pretty dangerous though, and should only be taken in small servings ~n~ /high

i have no opinion on the region itself
but i like the sinnoh pokemon and characters just as much as i liked the kanto ones, if not more

but in the case of the games, johto out awesomes them all

Guns August 9th, 2009 1:18 AM

1st gen pokemon are my favorite and so are the gym leaders. I have nostalgia too, but I despise the actual region of Kanto geography wise.

river_hunter979 August 9th, 2009 10:51 AM

Yeah, Nostalgia is a huge reason for it being liked so much, but not only that.
I think there's something that can't be explained a 100% about it. It was new and fresh with characters that actually had personality. I also truly believe that then Pokemon ,in my opinion was not as toned down for younger people as it is now.It had something that was different, probably the uncertainty of the characters, Ash as a beginning trainers goes off to face the world and most of the time came out with unexpected challenges.Now its just the same thing over and over, and the personality has been sucked dry.
lol that's my opinion, yeah that was sorta long but that what I think.

EagleVision1999 August 9th, 2009 3:45 PM

I also think it's because he actually began back then. I mean he had good reasons to be silly and I liked his start. Back them it was understandable when he acted stupid or lost battle because of lacking knowledge because he's just a little dense. And being shouted at by Misty for doing something totally stupid was funny (although I seriously didn't like Misty back then...havn't forgiven her the Caterpie and Togepie-egg thing...).
And when he first completed the collecting of his eight batches it was actually very special because it was the first time. It's the same with his paticipating in the Pokémon league. It was the first time and we saw it with the eyes from a beggining Trainer. It's just special to take part in someting big like this withut knowing what will happen.
Back then, Pokemon was about the clumsy trainer Ash Ketchum who began its journey witch endet when he lost the league and returned home.
After that they stretched it so much that it became unbelivable (I mean...more unbelivable than it already was). He continued his journey over years without aging (don't argue...officially he's still ten) and with similar things happening (the bike thing the losing-again-against-friend thing ). It's also ridiculous how Team Rocket followed him all these years. I can imagine doing this one year or so (well probably not) but this is too much (although I love the trio ;_; ).

Basically what I wanted to say is that everything gets old after some time. Back them it was fresh and new and the storyline, due to the fact that he was a real beginner, seemed more exciting and belivable.

Personally, I like unexperienced really-ten-year-old-idiot-Ash better ;_;

False Flag August 10th, 2009 8:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Vernikova (Post 4945337)
Really, why? I hear people talk about how great Kanto is compared to Johto, Hoenn, and Sinnoh a lot and it is really puzzling.

It's nostalgia. Kanto is what started it all. ;_;

Quote:

It's pacing was pretty bad, any Gym battle outside of Lt. Surge or Blaine were mediocre or cheap, and the Pokémon, the real stars of the show, weren't treated well at all.
Even those battles were full of hax. *Aim for the horn, pikachu!
*Although in the Pokemon TCG, ground types are considered fighting and can be hit with electric attacks.

Quote:

This thread will probably get 1 to 5 posts but I could care less as long as someone actually answers the question: In terms of quality, why do people consider Kanto better than the other regions?
Nostalgia, and the fact those guys miss Misty. When Misty left, they stopped watching.

Miniduffa August 19th, 2009 9:45 AM

TBH, I think Kanto and Johto both trump Hoenn and Sinnoh. I just find them way more interesting. Also, the Orange Islands are quite good as well, if lacking Brock. Hoenn and Sinnoh fail from a loack of Misty :p

XxDawnfanxX August 19th, 2009 10:01 AM

It was the peak of the amine of course. Johto and Kanto were the best ones because the origionals were fun to watch. I think it kind of fell off during Hoenn and Sinnoh. James new voices sucks, I have started to adjust to Ash's but I also miss his attitude he had in the origional regions. Kanto and Johto were my favorites anyway, I loved the regions and the characters. Sinnoh does have my favorite female, Dawn though which is the only reason I still watch. I'll always be a Kanto boy at heart.

mervyn797 August 20th, 2009 5:18 AM

i felt that when those people at nintendo or whatever started the project, they did it more enthusiastically(perhaps) and so the outcome was better. as the series progressed, it started getting worse. all my friends used to watch pokemon when it came out, now no one does!

>Feelings< August 21st, 2009 1:42 AM

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The one thing people miss though is the "adventure" aspect of the series. This is one thing Kanto did nicely, and Hoenn had some of this too. The DP series is very heavily focused on battles. Even the fillers this arc are about battles. The characters are constantly battling or training their Pokemon. So if you don't find battles too interesting, I can see why people would lose interest in the current arc. The older seasons were more about the adventure, whereas the newer arcs (from say Battle Frontier onward, Hoenn wasn't as battle heavy just yet), the show became battle-centric. So the point is, do you like battles or adventure/comedy more? That's the main difference between Kanto and what the show has become.
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Very good points, very solid summation of things. Once you isolate the key differences like that, it's really easy to recognize.

I mean, since when have we had another case like The Marsh Badge, in which the gym leader was slightly corrupted and threatened Ash and co upon defeat, or they traveled to a dark and mysterious haunted tower to obtain a ghost Pokemon that would be key in success over the gym leader. There was more of an "adventure story" to it. Now it's more training and battle-oriented, in which Ash and co must develop techniques and strategies, or gain further experience before taking on a gym leader like Fantina. It's kind of straightforward. Now we see a lot of Ash, and even Dawn, training to improve, and actually developing various techniques/moves. Whereas in Kanto, battles at time would take a backseat, and Ash wouldn't even win each of his badges conventionally.

There is deeeefinitely a difference, and it really just comes down to preference, because both are great. In fact, if you really look at it, you can kind of see a steady development towards where the show is now...Kanto was a good mixture of adventure and battle, leaning towards more adventure.OI took this adventure theme and ran with it, by having the gang explore the islands, and even having the different gym leaders provide particular challenges and tasks that varied from battling.

While returning to the usual battle format, Johto had also packed the show with adventure, so much so that they had many episodes centering around quests that were unrelated to the goal of the protagonist, creating at least a 20-30 ep spand between most gym battles. In doing so, it tried to explore more of the habitat and nature of different Pokemon, which separated itself from Kanto in the type of adventure aspect.

Hoenn really began to emphasize the battling and competitive aspect of Pokemon more. Adventures were still carried out, but it was clear that there was kind of an overturn as to the direction of the show. With the addition of contests, we would not only see gym battles galore, but those of the contest as well, creating more competition, and more training involved.

Battle Frontier was like the exact opposite of OI in some aspects. It was clear that the theme was definitely to conquer the BF and Contests in Kanto.

And then, of course, there's Sinnoh. Sinnoh obviously has adventures as well, but it's quite clear that the competition aspect of the show has accelerated. We have a lot of onscreen training going on - much more than any amount we've had in the past. There's an emphasis on strategy, gaining experience, techniques, etc... All relating back to the main goal of either of the protagonists. Even in the Galactic Arcs, etc... There's a lot more battling going on than say, when Ash would take on some TR heads in the older seasons. The ratio's shifted to get to this point.

Whoever wrote this, I must say that I'm impressed at their ability to pick the points out.

Anyways, I think the above post summarizes why I liked the originals the most, but I would like to add to it that the anime is really lacking the spirit it held before, and it has lost the feel that the originals had because the amount of effort that was given to the originals is no longer given to the newer ones.
Moreover, the anime has become really overpowered and more focused on competitive battles rather than the battles remaining simple as I liked them, and more focused on the adventures and friendly people.

Captain Hobo. August 22nd, 2009 7:40 AM

I think Kanto is the best region because there gym leaders are so good.

solaris knight August 22nd, 2009 8:18 AM

Because at this point in the anime, they've sucked Ash dry of any personality (hence the "sick of Ash" thread, ), Brock's running gag has become tired (I still like it, though) and the writers create a lot of hate everytime they switch out the main female character (in addition to Dawn being more of a "stereotypical" female character, unfortunately :/).

As stated before, the Anime also focuses less on the whole adventure aspect and mostly on battles now. Hoenn took what dimished amount of what was left to the grave with it.

And nostalgia, of course ;).

Gary, the Magic Fairy August 22nd, 2009 8:28 AM

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Originally Posted by solaris knight (Post 5022689)
Because at this point in the anime, they've sucked Ash dry of any personality (hence the "sick of Ash" thread, ), Brock's running gag has become tired (I still like it, though) and the writers create a lot of hate everytime they switch out the main female character (in addition to Dawn being more of a "stereotypical" female character, unfortunately :/).

As stated before, the Anime also focuses less on the whole adventure aspect and mostly on battles now. Hoenn took what dimished amount of what was left to the grave with it.

And nostalgia, of course ;).

This. The replacement females are getting more and more stereotypically girly (and in turn, less interesting) with each generation, Ash is even less interesting, if that's even possible, and the running gags (Brock & Team Rocket) are getting old.

And as said, nostalgia also plays a large factor, obviously.

Mistyy August 22nd, 2009 8:44 AM

I find the plot in the newer regions Hoenn and Sinnoh very tasteless and downright mundane. It just seems that Ash just wants to beat his rivals, whereas in earlier seasons he had a goal to be the pokemon master and had a lot of emotion and character. Ash also encountered more interesting events in the earlier seasons. I think this goes without saying but I think Misty really made the Brock Punisher interesting, with Max and Toxicroak little knockoffs of the original. I'm just into the oldies :).

Although I do wish Ash evolved Pikachu after he lost to Lt. Surge. Pikachu is so cute and cuddly, but I'm actually tired of seeing him swing his tail and Thunderbolt Team Rocket away. I want to see him be more devastating, and powerful, that is my only concern with Pikachu, I want him to change, develope. Ash just throw a Thunderstone at the damned rodent and have yourself a sexy Raichu!

drivr3joe August 22nd, 2009 9:26 AM

idk why i think it because its fun

ArmchairRomeo August 23rd, 2009 11:07 PM

Honestly, I have to say... I did start with Kanto, and it's the original, so I do like it... but I prefer Johto and have no problem with Hoenn and Sinnoh. (Now there are some episodes from Kanto that I'll always love, but most are from Johto.) Nostalgia's great, but don't let it blind you. Although I will say the show's gotten a bit more, let's say... childish. Nintendo needs to work on this and remember that it's not just the young kids that watch their show.

Of course, the movies have kept their serious nature. Movie 8 is a perfect example of this. Movie 5 was as well, but since we're up to 12 now I think that counts as one of the earlier ones.


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