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MegaKuriboh August 5th, 2009 12:10 PM

Mewtwo
 
ok everyone who goes to serebii knows that mewtwo is comfirmed in HG/SS right?
so does this mean cerelian cave (sorry for spelling) will be open or will it be somewhere else?

Samme! August 5th, 2009 12:14 PM

I'm almost positive that Mewtwo was not confirmed to be incorporated into the games. It was just a rumor.

Timbjerr August 5th, 2009 12:22 PM

I see nothing on SPP about Mewtwo being in HGSS, and Mewtwo wasn't even in the original GSC, so logically, that means you're spreading false rumors. ^_^

Keyaki August 5th, 2009 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Pokemon51 (Post 4948653)
ok everyone who goes to serebii knows that mewtwo is comfirmed in HG/SS right?
so does this mean cerelian cave (sorry for spelling) will be open or will it be somewhere else?

Where the hell did you hear? It most certainly wasn't on serebii

Shadow Umbreon Xd 002 August 5th, 2009 12:26 PM

This isn't confirmed....yet.Go check Serebii's news archives, it says that it's just a rumour.

Doxasikyrie August 5th, 2009 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Timbjerr (Post 4948696)
I see nothing on SPP about Mewtwo being in HGSS, and Mewtwo wasn't even in the original GSC, so logically, that means you're spreading false rumors. ^_^

Neither was Arceus nor Groudon. ;)

yaminokame August 5th, 2009 12:54 PM

A poster of legendaries can be seen on a preview of next week on Pokemon☆Sunday, on that chart was Mewtwo. That is what he was talking about. It was never announced as news, because Serebii said that there always was the possibility that it did not have anything to do with HG/SS. It most likely does, but we have to wait for confirmation on that on next week's Pokemon☆Sunday... so, at this point it is a little bit more than just a rumor, it's semi-confirmed :P

JLP_M August 5th, 2009 1:04 PM

Never heard of this rumour!

yaminokame August 5th, 2009 1:11 PM

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Originally Posted by JLP_M (Post 4948814)
Never heard of this rumour!

Oookay... it looks like this is necessairy :/ I have added a link to next week's Pokemon☆Sunday preview below, notice the chart. The chart is as follows:

[Mewtwo][Lugia][Ho-oh]
[Kyogre][Groudon][Rayquaza]
[Dialga][Palkia][Giratina]

The thing that tells you that this is HGSS information is that the person talking about the chart is the one who always announces the HGSS information. It is unconfirmed, however, whether this chart has anything to do with HGSS, just speculated to do so.

On a different note, no, the main Serebii website said nothing about this, but the confirmed information thread on the Serebii forum site did.

Preview of Next Week's Pokemon☆Sunday

wnxvale August 5th, 2009 2:37 PM

y would mewtwo be in HG/SS??? wasnt he caught/defeated in R/B/Y?? the Johto region and its happenings are 3 years after the events of kanto...and if im not mistaken, in G/S/C the cave was sealed up...so y would mewtwo be in the game...unless he's in the sealed up cerulean cave and nintendo is going to hold an event that opens it up...

IcyArceusRider August 5th, 2009 3:03 PM

I think this is just a rumor...I've also heard that Mewtwo will be in HG/SS, but I don't think it's been officially confirmed.

Greene1516 August 5th, 2009 3:14 PM

It hasn't confirmed but it was strongyl hinted at in an old Pokemon Sunday when they said Cerulean Cave would get revamped for HG/SS and that some old features would return to it.

シルバー August 5th, 2009 3:34 PM

When you think about it, HGSS seems to have some Yellow qualities to it. Mewtwo was in the cave still in Yellow.

So possibly if Yellow is being incorporated into the game then that could possibly mean that Mewtwo will. This could be a make-up also for not having a Yellow remake because it seems Yellow parts are being put into HGSS.

Kanto_Johto August 5th, 2009 3:44 PM

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Originally Posted by LostPikachuu (Post 4949353)
When you think about it, HGSS seems to have some Yellow qualities to it. Mewtwo was in the cave still in Yellow.

So possibly if Yellow is being incorporated into the game then that could possibly mean that Mewtwo will. This could be a make-up also for not having a Yellow remake because it seems Yellow parts are being put into HGSS.

Hmmmmm...

Nah.

Why? Why put him in the game? Makes no sense. Red captured him 3 years before Gold's adventure started.

Haza August 5th, 2009 4:03 PM

Almost certain he is. We can only wait til Saturday/Sunday to find out.

lx_theo August 5th, 2009 4:20 PM

I'd be fine with them adding in cerulean cave, so long as the cave in still happened and you find another way in.

yaminokame August 5th, 2009 4:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Greene1516 (Post 4949265)
It hasn't confirmed but it was strongyl hinted at in an old Pokemon Sunday when they said Cerulean Cave would get revamped for HG/SS and that some old features would return to it.

"when they said Cerulean Cave would get revamped for HG/SS and that some old features would return to it."

^ I don't believe they ever said anything of the sort >.> ... ^

Haza August 5th, 2009 4:58 PM

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Originally Posted by yaminokame (Post 4949665)
"when they said Cerulean Cave would get revamped for HG/SS and that some old features would return to it."

^ I don't believe they ever said anything of the sort >.> ... ^

Thats because they ddidnt say anything of the sort.

yaminokame August 5th, 2009 5:03 PM

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Originally Posted by ℍ a z a (Post 4949684)
Thats because they ddidnt say anything of the sort.

Yeah, I know lol ^^ I was trying to put that down gently without saying "YOU'RE WRONG"... <3

But, about the "Red caught Mew-two three years earlier..." I don't really understand that reasoning :/ I mean, sure, it was in the games 3 years earlier, but you didn't HAVE to catch it... and Red's team never consisted of Mew-two as far as I'm aware of... so I don't see how that could be used as a reason why Mew-two is not in HG/SS :/

Haza August 5th, 2009 5:05 PM

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Originally Posted by yaminokame (Post 4949702)
Yeah, I know lol ^^ I was trying to put that down gently without saying "YOU'RE WRONG"... <3

But, about the "Red caught Mew-two three years earlier..." I don't really understand that reasoning :/ I mean, sure, it was in the games 3 years earlier, but you didn't HAVE to catch it... and Red's team never consisted of Mew-two as far as I'm aware of... so I don't see how that could be used as a reason why Mew-two is not in HG/SS :/

I was going to say the same thing. I for example may have KOd it back then.

wnxvale August 5th, 2009 5:25 PM

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Originally Posted by ℍ a z a (Post 4949712)
I was going to say the same thing. I for example may have KOd it back then.

so then y would there be a mewtwo in HG/SS if u KO it or catch it 3 years prior to HG/SS??? wouldnt that mean that it goes away??? OR if u just leave it in there...its still 3 years after the kanto adventures, so it could still be in there just sealed up in the cave...in that case, see my other post... it was my understanding there was only 1 mewtwo...ever...

there wasnt a mewtwo in G/S/C so y should there be one in HG/SS?
just my opinion on the matter...

Haza August 5th, 2009 5:45 PM

If I KOd it then its not dead! Anyway, this is redundant anyway. Mewtwo can be in the games because its been established that things are not the same already.

IceSage August 5th, 2009 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by wnxvale (Post 4949128)
y would mewtwo be in HG/SS??? wasnt he caught/defeated in R/B/Y?? the Johto region and its happenings are 3 years after the events of kanto...and if im not mistaken, in G/S/C the cave was sealed up...so y would mewtwo be in the game...unless he's in the sealed up cerulean cave and nintendo is going to hold an event that opens it up...

Keep in mind, Articuno, Zapdos, and Moltres' storylines were wrapped up in RBG/LG/FR as well... And then comes "Easymode Platinum" for the DS with the three birds back, roaming around...

It's very possible that Mewtwo will be obtainable in some shape or form in the HG/SS series. But nothing has been confirmed at all.

Wings Don't Cry August 5th, 2009 10:51 PM

They're probably just trying to make every Legendary available in GenIV games.

Haza August 5th, 2009 11:02 PM

If so then maybe these are the last games we can expect to see on the DS. I hope not anyway.

Wings Don't Cry August 6th, 2009 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by H☆ZA (Post 4950925)
If so then maybe these are the last games we can expect to see on the DS. I hope not anyway.

Yea I know what you mean but Gamefreak don't like releasing more than one Gen on the same handheld console

Ryanniny August 6th, 2009 1:14 AM

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Originally Posted by wnxvale (Post 4949803)
so then y would there be a mewtwo in HG/SS if u KO it or catch it 3 years prior to HG/SS??? wouldnt that mean that it goes away??? OR if u just leave it in there...its still 3 years after the kanto adventures, so it could still be in there just sealed up in the cave...in that case, see my other post... it was my understanding there was only 1 mewtwo...ever...

there wasnt a mewtwo in G/S/C so y should there be one in HG/SS?
just my opinion on the matter...

you're reasonings a bit off :S
The regi's made a comeback in Sinnoh, with the help of regigigas, and the birds came back in.
Also, in FR/LG you got to catch one of the legendary beasts that was strong against your starter, and yet all 3 are returning in HG/SS.
Same can be said for Kyogre/Groudon/Rayquaza, (whenever hoenn is compared to johto) + the Arceus event leading to the creation of Dialga/Palkia/Giratina...
Nintendo's clearly telling us that theres more than 1 of the legendaries, besides, wasn't mewto just a clone of mew that went wrong or something? so they could've made more than one clone...

Wings Don't Cry August 6th, 2009 1:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Ryanniny (Post 4951171)
wasn't mewto just a clone of mew that went wrong or something? so they could've made more than one clone...

They did make more than one but only one survived, but now that you think about it another one might of survived without anyone noticing.

IceSage August 6th, 2009 1:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Ryanniny (Post 4951171)
wasn't mewto just a clone of mew that went wrong or something? so they could've made more than one clone...

Even though the Anime and the Pokemon Red/Blue games were somewhat seperate, I'm sure the only "went wrong" part is that Mewtwo became more sentient and powerful than they had realized, and it destroyed the lab and broke free.

YellowPen August 6th, 2009 2:18 AM

The way i see it, every legendary will be available in HG/SS and D/P/Pt without using Pal Park

Mewtwo isn't in D/P/Pt, therefore I have assumed its in HG/SS

It just makes sense really

LethalTexture August 6th, 2009 2:21 AM

Yes; it is another one of those Ash/Red ideas. While one is based on the other (in this case Ash being based on Red), they are NOT the same character and to say/assume that they are is incorrect. Therein lies the discussion; the separation between what is Anime and what is Game.

Ergo, the in-game Mewtwo is NOT the same character seen in the anime. As can be seen and has been discussed about here previously, the backstories of the two, while similar, are not exactly the same. In-game Mewtwo was 'born', with Mew having given birth to it (note that this was written/made before the idea of Breeding and Eggs were introduced). The baby was christened Mew-two, though became vicious. they tried to 'curb it's vicious tendencies' but failed.

As a result of that, we can assume that the Cinnibar Mansion was originally a lab of some sort, or secretly housed a lab within it, and was destroyed when Mewtwo was unable to be restrained, and he then fled to the Cerulean Cave to be away from humans and/or to be surrounded by other strong Pokémon. I believe there is also some speculation as to whether Mr. Fugi owned/was the scientist who studied Mewtwo, and also may have some connection with the sign on Faraway Island, and in turn the Emerald event.

Again, I reiterate, the Anime was based on the games, and NOT the other way around. To assume the two Mewtwo are the same is incorrect. However, if mewtwo is to be in HG/SS, does anybody else think it may have anything to do with the Berserk Gene that one could find outside of where the cave once was in the originals?

Alex31 August 6th, 2009 4:04 AM

I think the rumour you're thinking of is when SPP mentioned having Lati twins, Mew and Mewtwo in the game, but it hasnt been confirmed.

Then again, a lot of legendary Pokemon havn't been confirmed, so it's still possible that they would make it available, they seem to be trying to phase out GBA games for the DSi

~*!*~Tatsujin Gosuto~*!*~ August 6th, 2009 7:24 AM

If they do open Cerulean cave, it would make sense to put Mewtwo in it. I'm somewhat following the post above because from what I'm hearing a lot of people are throwing away their R/S/E/FR/LG games (or doing other stuff to it) and theres no way of getting Mewtwo


:t354:TG

LegendaryPichu August 6th, 2009 8:03 AM

Mewtwo will most probably be in... in Pokemon Sunday they revealed Mewtwo for some odd reason, Groudon, Kyogre, Rayquaza, 3 Beasts, Lugia, Ho-Oh and a bunch of Legends were there. And they are all in HG/SS

shaygonnagon August 6th, 2009 8:05 AM

It is just a false rumour

Syphon August 6th, 2009 8:09 AM

People saying that there won't be a Mewtwo just because it wasn't in the original: Mewtwo was not in GSC because there was no room on the cartridges for the unknown dungeon. Same reason you got no Safari Zone. Now, that isn't an issue.

MegaKuriboh August 6th, 2009 8:25 AM

Ok I'm back and people don't you think mewtwo will show up somewhere else?
but still since ds games have WAY more space than gbc games they might open the cave and safari zone etc

(and I never heard a mew rumor)

pokeplatinum62 August 6th, 2009 8:38 AM

i JUST CHCKED AND ITS NOT ON SEREBI

MegaKuriboh August 6th, 2009 8:57 AM

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Originally Posted by pokeplatinum62 (Post 4952245)
i JUST CHCKED AND ITS NOT ON SEREBI

Check Archrived news july and smewhere it will say : It is also said that Latios, Latias & Mewtwo are available within the game - Unconfirmed

Its not confirmed
but I remember seeing a video that show that girl pointing a stick at the board that show mewtwo and other legendaries

yaminokame August 6th, 2009 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Pokemon51 (Post 4952322)
Check Archrived news july and smewhere it will say : It is also said that Latios, Latias & Mewtwo are available within the game - Unconfirmed

Its not confirmed
but I remember seeing a video that show that girl pointing a stick at the board that show mewtwo and other legendaries

THAT was false info that we got out of 2ch. Back when we were trying to sort out what was in the upcoming CoroCoro issue. In that aspect, it is 100% false information. Due to current events though, there is good reason to suspect that Mewtwo will be included thanks to the chart on Pokemon☆Sunday.


And Mew was never talked about at all, I don't know where people got that from, it was originally only [email protected] and Mewtwo, which was false. NOW, Mewtwo has been brought up again.

doubles92 August 6th, 2009 4:36 PM

mewtwo might be in heart gold/soul silver.

Keyaki August 6th, 2009 4:41 PM

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Originally Posted by doubles92 (Post 4954089)
mewtwo might be in heart gold/soul silver.

HG/SS are re-makes i highly doubt Mewtwo will be in it

also you cant post a request to support some random website like that

Giratinarules August 6th, 2009 7:34 PM

Mewtwo is going to be in this game so is latios and latias lv30
Latias and latios will be probably roaming johto or kanto
and mewtwo i really dont have an idea

harig07 August 7th, 2009 1:15 AM

It would be cool if Mewtwo was involved in the story somehow. But it probably won't be. Anyways here's THE ACTUAL CONFIRMED SEREBII LINK that says ALL THE CONFIRMED LEGENDARIES http://www.serebii.net/heartgoldsoulsilver/legends.shtml and the ones that reveal ALL THE CONFIRMED EVENT POKEMON (Pichu is my favourite) http://www.serebii.net/heartgoldsoulsilver/events.shtml so keep using that/those until the game comes out.

Dominus Temporis August 7th, 2009 8:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Keyaki (Post 4954106)
HG/SS are re-makes i highly doubt Mewtwo will be in it

Exactly. Wouldn't it be cool if they had put Raikou, Entei, and Suicune in FireRed/LeafGreen, though? Or if Groudon and Kyogre were in these?

...wait a minute...

I think there's a chance that Mewtwo might be in these games, but we really need to wait for more info before we can say for sure.

And I took a look at that video, how could you guys tell it was Mewtwo on that board? Between the quality and the glare, I couldn't tell what that was.

silvanarrow August 7th, 2009 8:45 AM

In terms of space, I'm sure it's possible to include Mewtwo. Also, HG/SS is already breaking somewhat from the originals by including legendaries from Hoenn and Sinnoh. Therefore, I don't see any logistical reason not to include Mewtwo, especially since it already has a precedent of living in the Kanto region based on earlier games. Now, whether or not that will happen is another story. So far Serebii hasn't confirmed it yet, so we'll just have to wait for some reliable information to be released.

yaminokame August 7th, 2009 9:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Dominus Temporis (Post 4956405)
Exactly. Wouldn't it be cool if they had put Raikou, Entei, and Suicune in FireRed/LeafGreen, though? Or if Groudon and Kyogre were in these?

...wait a minute...

I think there's a chance that Mewtwo might be in these games, but we really need to wait for more info before we can say for sure.

And I took a look at that video, how could you guys tell it was Mewtwo on that board? Between the quality and the glare, I couldn't tell what that was.

You can't see the picture but you can read the name. You can see the text:

ミュウツー

under the first spot :)

yoshikiller995 August 7th, 2009 9:24 AM

I'd be cool if Mewtwo were in this game, but I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you.

pokeretard August 7th, 2009 9:33 AM

Mewtwo is in HG and SS. But you can only get him from some event... At least that's what I heard...

yaminokame August 7th, 2009 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by pokeretard (Post 4956610)
Mewtwo is in HG and SS. But you can only get him from some event... At least that's what I heard...

That's not true because the details have not been disclosed at this time. The fact that Mewtwo is even in the games has not been officially announced, only hinted at by one poster on a Pokemon☆Sunday preview. Anything else about Mewtwo in these games is either not true or speculation... that's all we have about Mewtwo so far :P

lucario2009 August 7th, 2009 11:47 AM

I hope that it comes ,because I like Mewtwo!!

IceSage August 7th, 2009 2:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Horizon (Post 4951268)
Yes; it is another one of those Ash/Red ideas. While one is based on the other (in this case Ash being based on Red), they are NOT the same character and to say/assume that they are is incorrect. Therein lies the discussion; the separation between what is Anime and what is Game.

Ergo, the in-game Mewtwo is NOT the same character seen in the anime. As can be seen and has been discussed about here previously, the backstories of the two, while similar, are not exactly the same. In-game Mewtwo was 'born', with Mew having given birth to it (note that this was written/made before the idea of Breeding and Eggs were introduced). The baby was christened Mew-two, though became vicious. they tried to 'curb it's vicious tendencies' but failed.

In the game, it's almost similar to the anime. The only differences were that Mew gave birth to Mewtwo, as while in the Anime, he was directly cloned from a piece of hair.

Mewtwo in both the anime, and the game, was a DNA experiment. Most likely altered while in the womb. (Or egg, if you want to assume this.) The end result was that Mewtwo got too powerful, and broke free. In both versions, he was designed to be the perfect fighting Pokemon. In the games, perfect fighting Pokemon in general, just so if they could see if they could do it. In the anime, Mewtwo was suppose to be for Giovanni.

Either way, he was badass.

Greene1516 August 7th, 2009 2:44 PM

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Originally Posted by H☆ZA (Post 4949684)
Thats because they ddidnt say anything of the sort.

Oh yes my bad, I forgot that when some people haven't heard something it means it can't be true.

Dominus Temporis August 7th, 2009 2:59 PM

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Originally Posted by yaminokame (Post 4956529)
You can't see the picture but you can read the name. You can see the text:

ミュウツー

under the first spot :)

Ah, I see. For some reason the video was a really small size last night when I watched it, but now it's full-screen and I can see the text there, along with Mewtwo's tail. I thought the video was small for everyone...

But hey, this is cool, I have no qualms about Mewtwo being in the games.

demonmike August 7th, 2009 3:08 PM

Can I just remind the fools who keep popping in saying 'Its a remake, this this and that wont be in it', put more thought into your words.

I dont remember mini games in the G/S. I dont remember eggs of Dialga/Palkia/Giratina being in my G/S. I dont remember Pokemon following me in my G/S.

The people who keep yammering on about it being a remake are less plausible than the ones on about Mewtwo being possibly in it. Its not a simple remake, so therefore, the people in the 'remake' camp are wrong. The ones in the 'Mewtwo' camp are neither right or wrong. Its pending. Unconfirmed. Its all speculation. Mewtwo has a great deal of a chance of being in the game rather than not being in it, as they are trying to get every Pokemon in this generation obtainable for those who do not have previous games or the ability to use the Pal Park.


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