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PiplupGHacker August 12th, 2009 2:02 PM

How the 493 pokemon will be inserted in
 
I believe, that just like in firered, the 493 pokemon will be inserted in via a strip of islands or a new region. This is why I think that there is definetly a possibility for orange islands and hoenn.

billi1000 August 12th, 2009 2:09 PM

well, remember 2 regions already exist in this game, and many event pokemon are in as well from all the generations, i think the new modifications to johto and kanto will be enough, maybe some islands will be included but definitely not hoenn, no way in hell will nintendo remake 3 games in 1, that ll defeat the purposae of making sapphire and ruby remakes in the future, so ya u can say i only agree about the islands, not nesesarily the orange islands, but ya i do think going to some islands will be plausible...

Samme! August 12th, 2009 2:13 PM

I think they will just become available in the grasses after the National Dex.

lx_theo August 12th, 2009 2:14 PM

I think they'll be relatively true to the originals in what you find where in Kanto and Johto, and then there will be an extra new place that includes most Pokemon you can not catch any other place in any of the 4th generation games (Diamond, Pearl, Platinum, And Johto and Kanto in HeartGold and SoulSilver)

Chris The Nerd August 12th, 2009 2:21 PM

this is what will happen.
all of the johto pokémon will be in, (obviously)
all kanto pokémon will be in, with the exception of:
starters
Kabuto, Omanyte, and their evolution families,
Legendary birds.
(mewtwo has been confirmed to be in, so we don't have to worry about that.)
many of the hoenn pokémon will begin to appear after getting the national pokédex in swarms,new areas, and possibly pokéradar.
the number of sinnoh pokémon: 0 (with the exception of some events) all of these pokémon can be traded from D/P/Pt
i know this because this is what happened in firered and leafgreen. the johto pokémon started appearing on the sevii islands after getting the national pokédex. no third gen pokémon were in, because you could trade for them with R/S/E.

Eggie Poo Poo August 12th, 2009 2:30 PM

Okay, to conclude this quickly, Hoenn is 100% guaranteed to be not in, and they're not adding new islands and stuff. I know this because there's no need to because we have two regions and you will be able to go to the Safari Zone and stuff and explore the regions with the national dex, end of story.

Greene1516 August 12th, 2009 2:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PiplupGHacker (Post 4976937)
I believe, that just like in firered, the 493 pokemon will be inserted in via a strip of islands or a new region. This is why I think that there is definetly a possibility for orange islands and hoenn.

Hmm, maybe, except for the fact that it was already confirmed that they wouldn't be in the game. They don't need to get all 493 Pokemon in the game anyway since there is DPP in which you can get most of them. There is also the Safari Zone.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris The Nerd (Post 4977009)
this is what will happen.
all of the johto pokémon will be in, (obviously)
all kanto pokémon will be in, with the exception of:
starters
Kabuto, Omanyte, and their evolution families,
Legendary birds.
(mewtwo has been confirmed to be in, so we don't have to worry about that.)
many of the hoenn pokémon will begin to appear after getting the national pokédex in swarms,new areas, and possibly pokéradar.
the number of sinnoh pokémon: 0 (with the exception of some events) all of these pokémon can be traded from D/P/Pt
i know this because this is what happened in firered and leafgreen. the johto pokémon started appearing on the sevii islands after getting the national pokédex. no third gen pokémon were in, because you could trade for them with R/S/E.

This appears to be the most accurate and likely assumption.

ShinyMeganium August 12th, 2009 2:55 PM

Blah, what's so complicated. With DPPt (and 1-2 events for legendaries), you can get the whole 4th gen, 1/4 of the first gen or more, 1/4 of the 2nd gen or more, and 1/3 of the 3rd gen or more.
HGSS will for sure complete that, and won't have any 4th gen wild Pokemons probably, just like what happened in FRLG and 3rd gen.

And no, Hoenn will 99.99999999999% be in. Keep it for the next console and probably next gen. And we probably won't get Sevii islands. We might get an Island, like the after-league training thing in DPPt. No way we'll get Orange islands cause those were Anime fillers, and the games (excluding Yellow) are Manga-based. But, i'd be glad to be mistaken and get the Sevii Islands in HGSS, it'd make the game 10 times more incredible than it is. And I already think it'll be the best Pokemon game right now.

And there's a really high chance we will get starters from 1st gen. And maybe even 3rd gen, cause you can only get those through Pal Park, and DSi/HGSS are attempting to kill Pal Park. Yeah, Omanyte and Kabuto will be out, cause they were in DPPt (and even unlimited, as long as you have unlimited time). The same goes for the 3 birds who were roaming Sinnoh in Platinum.
The rest of Chris'es post seems pretty much like "the real case".

giradialkia August 12th, 2009 2:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PiplupGHacker (Post 4976937)
I believe, that just like in firered, the 493 pokemon will be inserted in via a strip of islands or a new region. This is why I think that there is definetly a possibility for orange islands and hoenn.

Whoa, whoa, whoa. Now, due to the fact that the Hoenn legends are available, then Hoenn being available is at least fathomable. But every time the Orange Islands are mentioned, a small puppy dies.
Anyways, I believe that the non- Johto/Kanto Pokemon will be included in Kanto, and various areas of Johto, as the PokeRadar is sure to be implemented (why not?). Although, that said, there's alot of Pokemon to squeeze into Kanto, so another area is sure to be included. Hoenn is a nice thought- it'd be really going that extra mile, and they seem to be going crazy on this game. Although there's sure to be some decent evidence against it or something, but I like to think there's a slight possibility.

Mewtwo42 August 12th, 2009 3:00 PM

I doubt they'll out in the Orange Islands and Hoenn. That would be way too much.
Although, it would be cool.

thegeneticway August 12th, 2009 3:53 PM

I doubt this would happen. It's too improbable.

Probably you can find Hoenn/Sinnoh pokemon in game by:

Pokeradaring
Swarming
Special Areas
Fishing with Super Rod
Surfing in Special Areas
Trading with NPC's
Daily Events - ex. Mr. Backlot's Mansion
Waiting in special areas on certain days - ex. Drifloon of Friday in the Valley Windworks

mew² August 12th, 2009 4:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thegeneticway (Post 4977267)
I doubt this would happen. It's too improbable.

Probably you can find Hoenn/Sinnoh pokemon in game by:

Pokeradaring
Swarming
Special Areas
Fishing with Super Rod
Surfing in Special Areas
Trading with NPC's
Daily Events - ex. Mr. Backlot's Mansion
Waiting in special ares on certain days - ex. Drifloon of Friday in the Vallery Windworks

This is what I believe as well. I think Drifloon may become swarms or PokeRadar pokemon. I know your just stating as an example to say what your talking about, but that is my belief, not trying to prove anything d:

Llennoccm8 August 12th, 2009 4:31 PM

There probably will be something like the orange island.

Timbjerr August 12th, 2009 5:31 PM

In FR/LG, all the Johto pokemon otherwise unavailable in any of the Hoenn games were delegated to the Sevii Islands.

In HGSS, I believe that there ought to be an east-west extension of the Sevii Island chain ending just south of the Whirl Islands that will be similarly inhabited by Hoenn-native pokemon unobtainable in the sinnoh games. ^_^

Guy August 12th, 2009 6:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris The Nerd (Post 4977009)
this is what will happen.
all of the johto pokémon will be in, (obviously)
all kanto pokémon will be in, with the exception of:
starters
Kabuto, Omanyte, and their evolution families,
Legendary birds.
(mewtwo has been confirmed to be in, so we don't have to worry about that.)
many of the hoenn pokémon will begin to appear after getting the national pokédex in swarms,new areas, and possibly pokéradar.
the number of sinnoh pokémon: 0 (with the exception of some events) all of these pokémon can be traded from D/P/Pt
i know this because this is what happened in firered and leafgreen. the johto pokémon started appearing on the sevii islands after getting the national pokédex. no third gen pokémon were in, because you could trade for them with R/S/E.

Quote:

Originally Posted by thegeneticway (Post 4977267)
I doubt this would happen. It's too improbable.

Probably you can find Hoenn/Sinnoh pokemon in game by:

Pokeradaring
Swarming
Special Areas
Fishing with Super Rod
Surfing in Special Areas
Trading with NPC's
Daily Events - ex. Mr. Backlot's Mansion
Waiting in special areas on certain days - ex. Drifloon of Friday in the Valley Windworks

These two easy listings are probably the most reasonable and more probably options that will be implemented into the remakes. It is what was done with previous games and with the addition of some new features will more than likely work out well. As for the new island, such as the Orange Islands, I doubt it would occur. For one, with the exception of Pokémon Yellow, the games do not follow the anime, and I wouldn't expect them to add in the Orange Islands just for the ability to catch other Pokémon. At least I wouldn't expect it with these options listed above being held. Also, it'll be a lot less data for the game without an extra island to add when we already have two regions and a Battle Frontier included.

Not to forget, we have the new included Safari Zone, so this alone picks up space to collect some of the other regional Pokémon of the 493 discovered. So, it will be a bit less hectic in the game with all of the new inclusions and items/features introduced since the original Gold and Silver versions released back in '99-'00.

Ellie August 12th, 2009 10:11 PM

Safari Zone would be an easy place to sneak in some of them. If the Sevii Islands end up returning, that'd also be a perfect place to put in some since it's off the main track of the 2 regions.

For the Kanto/Hoenn starters, I think it's pretty likely that Oak/Birch will give you one at a certain point in the game, maybe once you reach Oak's Lab in Pallet.

espa_roba11 August 12th, 2009 11:54 PM

There will be few sinnoh pokemon, just the evolutions/baby forms of cirtain johto/kanto pokemons. but this si obvious, sorry for wasting everyone's time.

ShinyMeganium August 12th, 2009 11:54 PM

Guys, why worrying about it, you have...the new Safari, a tiny potential for the old Safari, places in Kanto you didn't have in GSC but you might get now (remade Kanto, like Mt. Moon), a tiny potential for the Sevii, and most likely all the new catching features from DPPt, AKA Pokeradar, swarm and what not.

Ryanniny August 13th, 2009 12:01 AM

i partly agree with your theory,
i personally think sevii islands will be included,
as GSC was a "sequel" 3 years later to RBY, and HG/SS is a "squel" to RF/LG but 3 years later, the islands aren't going to have mysteriously disappeared.
unless, of course, there's no boats operating to get there.

Chrono August 13th, 2009 12:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris The Nerd (Post 4977009)
this is what will happen.
all of the johto pokémon will be in, (obviously)
all kanto pokémon will be in, with the exception of:
starters
Kabuto, Omanyte, and their evolution families,
Legendary birds.
(mewtwo has been confirmed to be in, so we don't have to worry about that.)
many of the hoenn pokémon will begin to appear after getting the national pokédex in swarms,new areas, and possibly pokéradar.
the number of sinnoh pokémon: 0 (with the exception of some events) all of these pokémon can be traded from D/P/Pt
i know this because this is what happened in firered and leafgreen. the johto pokémon started appearing on the sevii islands after getting the national pokédex. no third gen pokémon were in, because you could trade for them with R/S/E.

I have to agree with this as well :P

- Red - August 13th, 2009 4:53 AM

I'm certain that Johoto and Kanto pokemon will be common. Hoen and Sinnoh Pokemon will be found by using via Poke'Radar.

~*!*~Tatsujin Gosuto~*!*~ August 13th, 2009 6:47 AM

I think they will include maybe a few Sinnoh Pokemon, they will probably throw some in the safari zone (as well as Hoenn Pokemon). But I really agree with Chris the Nerd



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Mew~ August 13th, 2009 7:28 AM

noooooooo! theres already 2 regions now.
here my
theory:
Jhoto region will have all 2nd gen pokemon and kanto will have 1st 2nd 3rd and 4th gen pokemon

Q-Bone August 13th, 2009 7:32 AM

Hoenn won't be in these games. Doesn't anybody remember what happened? It got nuked :)

The Fourteenth Doctor August 13th, 2009 7:32 AM

I think they will Have Gen 1 and 2 pokemon in Johto (most of Gen 1 in Kanto), some gen 3 pokemon will most likely be available after the national dex (e.g. Safari Zone) or will have to be pal parked from R/S/E, Gen 4 pokemon will probably have to be traded from D/P/P


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