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kay3o October 29th, 2009 11:04 PM

Is that how someone checkerboard?

Oh!!

Scarf didn't checkerboard though :S, So why are you saying he knows how to checkerboard?

Esper October 29th, 2009 11:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chesu (Post 5274090)
Nein, muss es Marimon sein! >:0

Okay, okay. I'll save Marimoss and Marimold for evolutions.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Milk (Post 5274096)
Wow i really love your region maps C:

Thank you.

Quote:

Originally Posted by kay3o (Post 5274322)
Is that how someone checkerboard?

Oh!!

Scarf didn't checkerboard though :S, So why are you saying he knows how to checkerboard?

Checkerboarding = dithering. It's when you make a checkerboard like pattern with two different color pixels to give the illusion of a third color.


Okay, I've been messing with my sprites and have come up with a few alterations, though I'm not sure if I can call them improvements. What is the verdict?

<-- Old --- New -->

http://www.pokecommunity.com/picture.php?albumid=4339&pictureid=32563 http://www.pokecommunity.com/picture.php?albumid=4339&pictureid=35157
Smaller and with a new face and some little arms/fins.

http://www.pokecommunity.com/picture.php?albumid=4339&pictureid=30691 http://www.pokecommunity.com/picture.php?albumid=4339&pictureid=35156
Changed the colors a bit and in general tried to smooth it out.

http://www.pokecommunity.com/picture.php?albumid=4339&pictureid=30690 http://www.pokecommunity.com/picture.php?albumid=4339&pictureid=35155
Slight change to the position, color and shading.

kay3o October 30th, 2009 6:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Scarf (Post 5274383)
Checkerboarding = dithering. It's when you make a checkerboard like pattern with two different color pixels to give the illusion of a third color.

Haha no, checkerboarding does NOT = dithering.

This is a checkerboard, you can not 'checkerboard'.
http://www.amishhandcraftedheirlooms.com/images/oak%20accessories/checkers/1905lg.jpg

Fox♠ October 30th, 2009 7:34 AM

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Originally Posted by kay3o (Post 5274868)
Haha no, checkerboarding does NOT = dithering.

This is a checkerboard, you can not 'checkerboard'.
http://www.amishhandcraftedheirlooms.com/images/oak%20accessories/checkers/1905lg.jpg

wut lol.

This is by far the most silly post I've seen all week, of course you can checkerboard, try, you know, turning it a bit to the way it's supposed to look. Or just google checkerboard and check the hundreds of examples.

kay3o October 30th, 2009 6:14 PM

You can't 'checkerboard' it's called dithering,

Any half decent spriter knows that.

Chesu October 30th, 2009 7:00 PM

I kind of like the Marchase redesign, but the added armor might make it a little hard to run. I don't know if I like the change to the shading or not. Littoril, on the other hand... the smaller size is good, and I really like the perforation detail or whatever that is at the top, but I'm not sure if I can support the other features. It looks like a Neopet..

http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/353/tempt.png

Fox♠ November 2nd, 2009 3:10 AM

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Originally Posted by kay3o (Post 5276442)
You can't 'checkerboard' it's called dithering,

Any half decent spriter knows that.

Any half decent 'spriter' calls themselves a Pixel artist.

Checkerboard is, and this may surprise you here, a term that describes dithering, it's usually used to explain to newer Pixel Artists what dithering looks like. Don't talk to me as if i don't know basic terminology in an art form I've followed as a hobby for 3-4 years now.

kay3o November 2nd, 2009 5:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Fox♠ (Post 5283655)
Any half decent 'spriter' calls themselves a Pixel artist.

Checkerboard is, and this may surprise you here, a term that describes dithering, it's usually used to explain to newer Pixel Artists what dithering looks like. Don't talk to me as if i don't know basic terminology in an art form I've followed as a hobby for 3-4 years now.

*facepalm*
Oh wow 3-4 years? do you want a medal?

It's called dithering, it's what it's called. 'Checkerboard' is not a term to describe dithering, its a board that they use in checkers. It's like saying a ball has been 'squared' because it's got a square patten on it.

Because really, It's just stupid.

Chesu November 2nd, 2009 6:38 AM

1. You didn't know what you were talking about at the beginning of the discussion.

2. You don't know what you're talking about now.

3. Your post isn't informative or at all on-topic; this is what PMs and VMs are for.

4. You're arguing with and openly belittling this board's moderator for no readily apparent reason.

Ugh, this just kind of deteriorated... Scarf, come get your thread back on topic!

Fox♠ November 2nd, 2009 9:35 AM

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Originally Posted by kay3o (Post 5283795)
*facepalm*
Oh wow 3-4 years? do you want a medal?

It's called dithering, it's what it's called. 'Checkerboard' is not a term to describe dithering, its a board that they use in checkers. It's like saying a ball has been 'squared' because it's got a square patten on it.

Because really, It's just stupid.

If you're willing to pay for a medal, that'd be super. I'm gonna give you a friendly bit of advice. If people want to refer to a technique as a name they're more familiar with, they have every right to. Dithering to a degree mimics the same patterns that you find on a checkerboard, I dunno if I could make this any simpler to understand. long story short is no one actually cares if you don't think it should be referred to as dithering and never anything else; I know you think your posts are making you seem oh so clever and in the know, but all you're doing is making yourself look arrogant and silly. You've being here, what a week? And your first few posts in this section have already derailed a thread. I think it's time you stop making a fool of yourself, don't you? This isn't Pixelation or Pixeljoint or whatever, this is a small section on a pokemon forum, half the members here don't even do their work from scratch, why did you expect them to use correct terminology?

Esper November 2nd, 2009 6:33 PM

Yeah, okay, moving on.

. . .

http://www.pokecommunity.com/picture.php?albumid=4339&pictureid=35313

Tada. This is probably the ugliest thing I've done yet, but since I seem to have gotten in the habit of posting unfinished work I might as well roll with it. It's a concept for an evo of one of my other fakemon. I've worked on it and changed it at least a dozen times, but I can't get it to come out right and I'm not sure if I should stick with it or scrap it and start all over again. It's also suffering from a lack of interesting detail which is why there is that random stripe.

I can already hear the "it doesn't look like a pokemon" comments, but I'm stuck as to how to make it look more like a pokemon.

Chesu November 2nd, 2009 6:41 PM

Have you tried giving it large arms rather than ears, with speakers on the hands?

Gary, the Magic Fairy November 2nd, 2009 9:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Scarf (Post 5285713)
Yeah, okay, moving on.

. . .

http://www.pokecommunity.com/picture.php?albumid=4339&pictureid=35313

Tada. This is probably the ugliest thing I've done yet, but since I seem to have gotten in the habit of posting unfinished work I might as well roll with it. It's a concept for an evo of one of my other fakemon. I've worked on it and changed it at least a dozen times, but I can't get it to come out right and I'm not sure if I should stick with it or scrap it and start all over again. It's also suffering from a lack of interesting detail which is why there is that random stripe.

I can already hear the "it doesn't look like a pokemon" comments, but I'm stuck as to how to make it look more like a pokemon.

It's nicely sprited, but.. the concept needs work. Not really sure what to tell you, though. I disagree about it not looking like a pokemon. It actually kinda does... just a really boring one. No clue what kind of interesting details you could put in... maybe just somehow restructuring the body and doing something like Chesu said would be a start. Or maybe you could just drop it somewhere and wait for inspiration to strike.

The only real thing I could think is scrap the eyes and let the speakers serve as pseudo-eyes, slightly repositioning the ears to function more as "eye-stalks" like a snail or something. I don't know. XD

Chesu November 3rd, 2009 12:12 AM

Somehow, Kenji's post gave me an idea for an "interesting detail".

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:CV6uAqpGaKRkvM:http://www.deviantart.com/download/76779186/The_Great_Equalizer_by_dmbmansd.jpg

How about an equalizer-like pattern?

Spherical Ice November 3rd, 2009 8:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Chesu (Post 5286405)
Somehow, Kenji's post gave me an idea for an "interesting detail".

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:CV6uAqpGaKRkvM:http://www.deviantart.com/download/76779186/The_Great_Equalizer_by_dmbmansd.jpg

How about an equalizer-like pattern?

And Chesu's post gave me an even more 'interesting detail', which expands on his 'interesting detail'. :P

You could scrap that silver ball below the mouth and add a small T.V screen like thing and add those equalizer-like pattern that Sir Chesu mentioned. IMO that would look nice, but you'd have to be way of making it cluttered. Meh. The concept and actual sprite are brilliant, but, as you know, there's a bit of a lack in detail. Great 'sprite', though!

Esper November 4th, 2009 5:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kenji~ (Post 5286237)
It's nicely sprited, but.. the concept needs work. Not really sure what to tell you, though. I disagree about it not looking like a pokemon. It actually kinda does... just a really boring one. No clue what kind of interesting details you could put in... maybe just somehow restructuring the body and doing something like Chesu said would be a start. Or maybe you could just drop it somewhere and wait for inspiration to strike.

The only real thing I could think is scrap the eyes and let the speakers serve as pseudo-eyes, slightly repositioning the ears to function more as "eye-stalks" like a snail or something. I don't know. XD

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chesu (Post 5286405)
Somehow, Kenji's post gave me an idea for an "interesting detail".

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:CV6uAqpGaKRkvM:http://www.deviantart.com/download/76779186/The_Great_Equalizer_by_dmbmansd.jpg

How about an equalizer-like pattern?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spherical Ice (Post 5287061)
And Chesu's post gave me an even more 'interesting detail', which expands on his 'interesting detail'. :P

You could scrap that silver ball below the mouth and add a small T.V screen like thing and add those equalizer-like pattern that Sir Chesu mentioned. IMO that would look nice, but you'd have to be way of making it cluttered. Meh. The concept and actual sprite are brilliant, but, as you know, there's a bit of a lack in detail. Great 'sprite', though!

Thank you all for the comments and suggestions. I'll certainly try out these ideas and will hopefully have something to show soon-ish.

ThePastaThrower November 9th, 2009 11:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scarf (Post 5285713)
Yeah, okay, moving on.

. . .

http://www.pokecommunity.com/picture.php?albumid=4339&pictureid=35313

Tada. This is probably the ugliest thing I've done yet, but since I seem to have gotten in the habit of posting unfinished work I might as well roll with it. It's a concept for an evo of one of my other fakemon. I've worked on it and changed it at least a dozen times, but I can't get it to come out right and I'm not sure if I should stick with it or scrap it and start all over again. It's also suffering from a lack of interesting detail which is why there is that random stripe.

I can already hear the "it doesn't look like a pokemon" comments, but I'm stuck as to how to make it look more like a pokemon.

Overall, I'd like to say that you have taken my advice very well. This one is quite odd, the sprite is actually good, but the fakemon itself needs work. Just give it lighting and blend in dark but more colorful outlines.

Anyways, fantastic work overall. I'm very glad you've taken my advice, it's not superbly common these days.

Definitely keep it up!

Esper November 22nd, 2009 1:32 AM

I took a break to clear my head of that last one and came up with this:

http://www.pokecommunity.com/picture.php?albumid=4339&pictureid=36026

This is actually for PokemonOI's Pokemon: Malachite so it's off limits. Of course everything of mine is off limits so that really goes without saying.

Like always, I feel it's pretty good, but a little plain though I think it gives it a nice streamlined look. I spent a few hours non-stop making this so I feel I have missed something glaringly obvious because I can't really see anything I don't like about it and I always see something that bothers me.

Chesu November 22nd, 2009 7:57 AM

I love the soft colors! The highest point of the tail is a bit small though, maybe you should cut off that short line of pixels? The spike on the tail also looks a bit shallow, it might look like it's set in deeper if you round the bottom edge.

Esper November 28th, 2009 4:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chesu (Post 5341383)
I love the soft colors! The highest point of the tail is a bit small though, maybe you should cut off that short line of pixels? The spike on the tail also looks a bit shallow, it might look like it's set in deeper if you round the bottom edge.

The colors were stolen from a Squirtle for the most part. And I had intended that 'spike' to be a fin. Yeah, I'll touch that up someday. :\

Anyhoo...

BIG(ger) UPDATE!

I've improved on THREE of my fakemon, edited a trainer and made another map.

I've provided the old versions so you can see the evolution, as it were.

1st http://www.pokecommunity.com/picture.php?albumid=4339&pictureid=30691 2nd http://www.pokecommunity.com/picture.php?albumid=4339&pictureid=35156 and 3rd http://www.pokecommunity.com/picture.php?albumid=4339&pictureid=36300

http://www.pokecommunity.com/picture.php?albumid=4339&pictureid=30686 http://www.pokecommunity.com/picture.php?albumid=4339&pictureid=36299
The old and the new.

http://www.pokecommunity.com/picture.php?albumid=4339&pictureid=32563 http://www.pokecommunity.com/picture.php?albumid=4339&pictureid=35157 http://www.pokecommunity.com/picture.php?albumid=4339&pictureid=36301
He keeps getting smaller.

http://www.pokecommunity.com/picture.php?albumid=4339&pictureid=36302
This is a cool trainer with the hair, scarf, left arm and colors changed.
Another of my many works in progress.

http://www.pokecommunity.com/picture.php?albumid=4339&pictureid=36303
A quick-ish region map based partly on the Touhoku region of, yes, you guessed it, Japan.
The big cities roughly correspond (from east to west) to Nagano, Niigata, and Sendai.

aquadan November 28th, 2009 4:57 AM

Amazing work, and i like, how its only a small amount of work, but its extremely high quality

Esper December 8th, 2009 1:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aquadan (Post 5356972)
Amazing work, and i like, how its only a small amount of work, but its extremely high quality

I think I've got a sizable collection going here. Thanks for the praise.


Now for some more sprites.

http://www.pokecommunity.com/picture.php?albumid=4339&pictureid=30683 http://www.pokecommunity.com/picture.php?albumid=4339&pictureid=36650
This one was looking scrawny so now he's thicker looking.
Definitely more intimidating now.

http://www.pokecommunity.com/picture.php?albumid=4339&pictureid=36651
This is a sea turtle / buoy without a name at the moment.
I like it. Looks all rubbery and bouncy.

http://www.pokecommunity.com/picture.php?albumid=4339&pictureid=36652
This is an attempt to improve one of the mapping styles I'm playing with.
Perhaps someone will recognize the landscape?

Esper December 10th, 2009 4:05 AM

Another quick update:
One more sprite to add to the list.
http://www.pokecommunity.com/picture.php?albumid=4339&pictureid=36685
It's some kind of reptile!
Yup. That's all.

Chesu December 10th, 2009 11:40 AM

The turtle's lookin' good, though I don't have any ideas for a name. Mintorn's redesign is good, but its right leg is at an angle that makes it look just a bit shorter than the left. The reptile's mouth is kind of lacking depth, but aside from that I love the design, especially how eager the combination of facial expression and tail position make it look.

I DO recognize the landscape of your map, it's San Francisco Bay! What's the small location out on the sea route?

edit: Oh, and thanks for linking to my tutorials in your signature!

Esper December 10th, 2009 8:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chesu (Post 5386225)
The turtle's lookin' good, though I don't have any ideas for a name. Mintorn's redesign is good, but its right leg is at an angle that makes it look just a bit shorter than the left. The reptile's mouth is kind of lacking depth, but aside from that I love the design, especially how eager the combination of facial expression and tail position make it look.

I DO recognize the landscape of your map, it's San Francisco Bay! What's the small location out on the sea route?

edit: Oh, and thanks for linking to my tutorials in your signature!

I see what you're talking about with that leg. *sigh* A spriter's work is never done. I'd take any more advice on the lizard's mouth I can get. I couldn't find very good reference pictures of smiling lizards with their mouths open. Oh, and I have some names now. Baubloat for the turtle, Zardust for the lizard.

That spot out in the ocean are some rocks that you can see from San Francisco on a clear day, which is to say almost never.

You're welcome about the link. I haven't seen those "I use Chesu's tutorials" banners yet so I figured no need to wait.


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