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The Roshi September 13th, 2009 9:48 AM

PokeCommunity Tutoring?
 
Well... this idea came up out of selfishness simply because I've been looking for a battle tutor and Smogon's tutor service is closed for now, and I can't find one any where else.

Seriously though I know this community isn't a battle-driven one, however I do know that there are some really experienced battlers who reside here. So I was wondering if it would be a good idea for PC to offer its own tutoring service. Now I'm not sure exactly how many "pro" battlers there are, but there should be a decent amount due to the sheer population of the forum. So uh... just throwing it out there =D

Thanks for reading

BeachBoy September 13th, 2009 9:53 AM

Approved this because... I think it's a neat idea.

We're always open to ideas, and it's something I'd (personally) consider. With PC getting a shoddy server back soon, it's a possibility.

I might merge this thread into the staff forums where S&M staff talk about these things and other ways to improve S&M. But just know suggestions like these don't go unnoticed. :D

Dark Azelf September 13th, 2009 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Beachy (Post 5112984)
Approved this because... I think it's a neat idea.

We're always open to ideas, and it's something I'd (personally) consider. With PC getting a shoddy server back soon, it's a possibility.

I might merge this thread into the staff forums where S&M staff talk about these things and other ways to improve S&M. But just know suggestions like these don't go unnoticed. :D

Yeah i agree with this pretty much. It might help expand our competitive community, which is always a good thing.

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Originally Posted by cookie ☆ (Post 5112992)
Well Dark_Azelf has nothing to do with his life so he'll be glad to offer. ^____^ -shot-



^________^ ekeke


Anyways, if Anti and Luke approves i see no reason why we cant do this.

Malicious Metang September 13th, 2009 10:45 AM

So I'm assuming this will be similar to Smogon's Battling 101? I like the idea, and I guess that tutors should be hand-picked from the likes of D_A, Anti, and Britney?

BeachBoy September 13th, 2009 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Bedlam Beldum (Post 5113261)
So I'm assuming this will be similar to Smogon's Battling 101? I like the idea, and I guess that tutors should be hand-picked from the likes of D_A, Anti, and Britney?

Maybe, maybe not. We'll see what we come up with. We might me able to merge tutoring with a week or so of promoting and telling people to give Strategy & Movesets a frequent visit. (we need more activity here, after all)

Tutors might even be some of us former S&M staff (like me -- heck, I was using offensive teams when people thought it was crazy to consider such, lol -- tutoring might drag me back into competitive play again), and current ones like D_A and such. (I know Luke, B. Spears, might want to help someone with UU or something)

Aurafire September 13th, 2009 11:19 AM

Sounds like a fun idea to me, there was an idea like this in the Wifi Battle Stadium but it epic failed. Seems like S&M could probably do it better anyway \o/

Anti September 13th, 2009 11:19 AM

I'm a little less enthusiastic about this and I'll tell you why. First of all, we really don't have many tutors. Assuming D_A, Luke, AND myself do it, we really don't have many active members that I'd feel comfortable saying "yeah, this person is good enough that they can make a formidable battler out of a poor player."

In case you're wondering why I think that, it's because of the community's collective failure in the former Shoddy Lounge with tournaments. That involved members responsibility and two people setting up a time to get on and take a few minutes out of their week...just like a tutoring system inevitably would. I'm very skeptical (and imo rightfully so) about trying something out that could very easily have the same outcome as the disaster that was tournaments on PC.

...At the same time, this is a good suggestion. As much as I doubt this will work, I don't see any good reason beyond skepticism not to give this a try. Of course, with our lack of members, this would have to be a very small project like basically everything is now, but that's going to be true of almost everything we try now. And hey, we need to do something to spark activity, so I'm not going to oppose this.

Now, assuming we do this (since that seems to be the way people are leaning), I want this to be based off of the PokeCommunity server when it gets back up. It makes communication easier, and newer members getting to know the community sounds much more beneficial to me than a thread that lacks any kind of real interaction. Your thoughts?

Azonic September 13th, 2009 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Dark_Azelf (Post 5113187)

Omg thanks I was looking for this image lol!

I like this idea. It *might* make S&M more active, plus it might get me back into battling.

Heh, I need this tutoring. I've lost touch with the metagame; fffff actually I hardly know what a metagame is anymore LOL.

Mages4ever September 13th, 2009 12:02 PM

I'd be interesting in joining this.
First I'd need to learn how to make move sets though.
Then I could help tutor. (If you want/need more people. You may want to hold like try outs and tests to see if people are qualified and what's not.)
If this gets anywhere, hopefully I can battle better people on this forum. (Ones that actually EV train and use Tiers -.-")

wolf September 13th, 2009 12:10 PM

I think this would be good for getting people back into competitive battling. Anti made some points though, but it's worth a try.

I thought I heard this suggestion somewhere one time...

Skip Shot September 13th, 2009 2:50 PM

I'm up for a tutoring program. I could use some help around the UU metagame, since I've created one team (which failed) after the UU Revamp was made.

Jake♫ September 13th, 2009 3:01 PM

Heh, I like it personally. I could probably use my "knowledge" (If you can call it that XD) to help out. Of course, that's not up to me XD, but I'm glad to help.

But, I'm not going to lie, I do have some of that same skepticism that Anti has. Even the Get-Together tournament, which only lasted 4 days from start to finish, didn't go over very well. We had a few DQs, but all in all it did go over better than the rest of the tournaments. But that's what sort of makes me go "Can we really pull it off?", as we've really had only one semi-successful tournament. Oh well, I'd still say give it a shot and see where it goes.

Oh wait, C'est might pop into this and tell us how we are becoming a Smogon-Copy Cat. Wait, who cares?

Pokedra September 14th, 2009 12:57 AM

This seems like a decent idea, I reckon you should give it a shot and if it doesn't work you can just get rid of it :P

Also maybe you could do like a Beginners course for people who want to get into competitive battling and a Advanced for people who already know a bit about the metagame and want to improve =)

.Aero September 14th, 2009 10:37 AM

Pokedra makes a point. Some people who will join up in this tutoring once it opens (such as myself) just want to improve but already know quite enough about the metagame.

I really need some help. xD I'd consider myself decent at coming up with teams, but when I try to use them, it's a flop. So I need help using teams in real competitive situations as opposed to "imaging what the battle would be like".

Then again, we need a new PC server before we could do any of this, right? (:( I miss that good ol' thing.)

The Apprentice™ September 14th, 2009 10:55 AM

I like this idea ^^ Can't wait to see if it actually happens

Denzer September 14th, 2009 7:24 PM

I like this idea. Another good idea would be to bring back the Shoddy Lounge and if PC gets a sever tourneys!

luke September 14th, 2009 7:32 PM

The server will be back soon.

No Shoddy Lounge ever again.

Dark Azelf September 15th, 2009 2:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Super Luigi (Post 5118509)
I like this idea. Another good idea would be to bring back the Shoddy Lounge and if PC gets a sever tourneys!

What Luke said. XD

I mean we can just sticky tourneys anyways. ^_~

Stellar September 15th, 2009 3:01 AM

I really love this idea. I know all the ins and outs of training Pokemon, I just don't know how to function in competitive battles at all. And I'd really, really like to learn.

Of course, I haven't been with PC all that long... I'm just one of those random people who pops up every now and then to comment. I'm not all too familiar with the community, so I don't know how well it would function with a system like that, but just know that if this is put into action, I'd be on board as a pupil in no time.

Anti September 15th, 2009 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Dark_Azelf (Post 5119191)
What Luke said. XD

I mean we can just sticky tourneys anyways. ^_~

Just to add onto this (AKA slightly contradict), tournaments probably aren't going to show up in any form lol. I would link to the double digit failures but the forum is deleted now lol. The only kind of tournaments I'll endorse are those run on the server alone with a sign up on the spot type of format. The shoddy Lounge (and by extension tournaments entirely) aren't coming back, ever...and if the stars align to make that happen, it won't be anytime soon.

But keep up the comments, especially with ideas on how to run it (but just supporting the idea is fine too).

.Aero September 15th, 2009 12:45 PM

Here's some more thoughts working off of Pokedra's suggestion of different styles of teaching (as in beginner, advanced, ect.)

Beginner - Teaches all the basics of the metagame as well as explaining certain terms, teaching new members how to create a moderately functional team as well as having the members face the "teacher/tutor" in a battle to see how well they learn. If they fail at the battle miserably, they should be recommended to take this lesson again.

Advanced - Teaches members who already know quite a bit about the metagame about huge threats and how to deal with them within their teams. Analyzes every aspect of the student's created teams and makes suggestions for improvement as well as pointing out major holes in defenses (such as DDGyara weak or something along those lines).

Expert - Takes well made teams and teaches the student how to use that team in a real battle experiences. Creating a team is one thing, using it is a whole new skill that must be acquired to perform well.

My suggestions to this whole thing, perhaps Adv/Exp could be combined into one lesson. I wouldn't really know as I don't know how long each would take to "teach".

Aurafire September 15th, 2009 1:32 PM

The question is then how do you distinguish an advanced and expert battler? It's hard to set characteristics of each skill level, as many battlers have different types of issues that they want to work on. If there were a tutoring program, I feel like there would be too much variation in skill to simply categorize someone as a beginner, advanced or expert.

Rather than sort people by skill level, it seems like simply assigning a student to a tutor, no matter what the skill level of the student, would be the best way to go. I don't know how you'd go about assigning students, but it seems easier than saying "Ok lets divide everyone in groups and have these tutors take that group and those tutors take another group" and having all the organizational problems that come with it and creating more work in the process.

So idk, we could have a thread where people could sign up for the program and explain what they need to work on, and then have whoever is running the program assign him or her to a certain tutor and go from there. Simple and straightforward, with no extra organizing needed.

.Aero September 15th, 2009 1:48 PM

That is very true and I didn't look at it that way. Very insightful.

However, I still believe that there should be a beginner course that could be handled in a group instead as it should consist of true beginners or those that want a full refresher course on the basics of the metagame. This will make it easier to handle those that don't know so much.

(In fact, if allowed, I could run the beginner courses as I know the basics pretty well and I've described quite a few things MANY times. Namely EVs.)

No, you fail September 15th, 2009 1:57 PM

You could alway's have one of the tuor's battle the person who want's to sign up and place them in a category based on that.

natedogg September 15th, 2009 2:26 PM

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Originally Posted by shinyninetales (Post 5120922)
You could alway's have one of the tuor's battle the person who want's to sign up and place them in a category based on that.

There is just one thing wrong with that....hax. You can't always tell how good someone is by just battling them because of hax. Not saying that you couldn't tell how good someone is by battling them. You just never know what could happen. Even a great battler can loose to a noob if they get lucky.


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