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Btw those are bad evs use this [email protected] 252 HP / 252 S.DEF / 6 Att Careful Nature - Moonlight - Taunt / Heal Bell / Curse - Toxic / Heal Bell / Curse - Payback |
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So I have Moonlight and Toxic, they look pretty essential. But then what about Heal Bell, Curse and Payback? Also I've just thought that maybe Mean Look would be a good move... |
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I have a really weird question,,,,
While i was looking through several teams, i noticed that many people use MixMence or SpecsMence. Why don't people just use a physical salamence?? Btw, sorry if this somehow offends anyone who is using a Specs or Mix Mence cause i really just want to know. |
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If you're looking to use a Salamence then I think this is a pretty good unpredictable set: [email protected] Jolly 252 HP / 180 Def / 76 Spe Dragon Dance Roost Toxic Dragon Claw |
MixMence is generally used as a wall breaker, or an easy late game sweeper that doesn't require set up like DD Mence. Everything else is stated by Darkhunter101.
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You switch...
But seriously, I meant to use it later in the game. |
And if Salamence is your last pokemon? You need to use Fire Blast or Earthquake >> Roost or Toxic.
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Mostly, Bronzong is used as a Stealth Rocker, Trick Roomer or a supporter. But sometimes it's used as a sweeper rarely in teams. Which is why I've came up with the best moveset I can think of for a sweeping Bronzong. Can be used well against some Pokemon. But it still has it's flaws.
Nature: Bold EV's: 252 HP/176 Def/76 Sp. Atk Ability: Levitate Held Item: Leftovers/Chesto Berry Psychic Flash Cannon Calm Mind Hypnosis/Rest I know it doesn't look like a sweeper but it still takes hits really well and plays the long game. This Pokemon can even sweep or stall depending on it's moveset. 252 HP and 176 Def makes Bronzong take hits from physical sweepers like Tyranitar and Salamence with ease. The spare EV's goes to Sp. Atk for more damage. Psychic is a must have on a sweeping Bronzong since it's a STAB attack. Flash Cannon is another STAB move against Dark type Pokemon. Calm Mind makes it more of a staller and a sweeper at the same time. Gengar will have trouble getting through this Bronzong. The last move can either be Rest or Hypnosis. Rest is for healing it's HP right back up for more stalling. If it has a Chesto Berry. It instantly wakes up from it's sleep so that my opponenet has to do the role all over again. Hypnosis can be used to make my opponent go to sleep and then set up. But it won't be stalling as it used to do. Plus, I won' get rid of the status problem if it has one. And finally, the Leftovers is to gain little HP every turn for some more stalling. So, what do you think? Good? Any improvements I need? Please reply. Thank you. |
Instead of Rest/Hypnosis, you may use Shadow Ball in the last slot, but Bronzong is not designed to be a sweeper, it is mainly a supporter.
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For Alakazam I have two options: Calm Mind or Charge Beam.
CM will up my my Special Attack and Special Defense. After a few Zam won't be hurt much my non-boosted Special attacks. Charge Beam is only a 70% chance of a boost in Special Attack. It can come on on a revenge kill to get a stat boost and sweep the rest of the opponent's team. Not being guaranteed a stat boost lets me down sometimes. Opinions? |
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Calm Mind is the better choice, it is more reliable and if Zam is going to sweep it can't waste time trying to get boost with Charge Beam. He already has plenty of type coverage so that's not really an issue either. Just don't get Sucker Punched/Pursuited to death ;x |
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I could lead with Zam so I'm guaranteed a CM boost due to Focus Sash and most of the time I can get two in. I'm thinking of: Alakazam @ Wise Glasses / Life Orb / Focus Sash Timid nature EVs: 6 HP/252 SpA/252 Spe -Calm Mind / Charge Beam -Psychic -Shadow Ball -Focus Blast Wise Glasses > Life Orb so I don't take recoil. |
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Leading with him accomplishes nothing, and in the rare case you actually get a kill or two, that's one less sweeper your opponent has to deal with. It's better to bring him out later when you've scouted for counters and such. |
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He has to worry about Pursuit and Sucker Punch, which is unfortunate because most of his counters in UU and OU carry one of the two. The best thing you can do is scout for and try to remove these counters before trying to set up. |
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Zam hasn't lost the elemental punches, but 50 base Attack is the minus in using the punches.
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I know what Bronzong's best at. It's not good as a Calm Mind sweeper or a Charge Beamer. This is because I had a Bronzong in the Battle Factory and it helped me alot.
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252 HP / 252 S.DEF / 6 Att Sassy Nature - Moonlight - Taunt - Toxic - Payback/Sucker Punch So thanks to Dark Azelf I'm now going to use this set for Umbreon. But should I use Payback or Sucker Punch? Payback is more powerfull but Sucker priority, and unpredictable. Help? |
i'd use payback, umbreon probably wont be doing enough damage with sucker punch anyway, unless you specifically need to outspeed a frail psychic type
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That and 8 PP frikking sucks and is easy to wear out. Also Payback has more power. 50 + going last = 100 BP + STAB = 150 BP 80 + stab = 120 bp. |
On Nasty Plot Houndoom, I'm currently running Hidden Power Psychic to smack around junk like Poliwrath/Hariyama/(insert bulky fighter or poison type here). It works pretty well, but HP Psychic doesn't hit Gallade for super effective. HP Flying gets the bulky Fighters and Gallade, but costs you IVs in Special Attack and Speed(which NP Doom wants), where Hidden Power Psychic doesn't cost either of these. Which Hidden Power should I use?
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Also btw fire blast hits poison types and gallade harder. |
okaii let me get this stab thing straight
If garchomp uses EQ on metagross does stab make it 100+100(spr effective)+100(half 200 stab)=300 or 100+50(stab)+100(spr effective)= 250 also if abomasnow uses avalanch on hippo is it 60+60(last)+120(spr effective) +120(half 240)=360 or 60+60(last)+120(spr effective)+30(half 60)=270 |
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[QUOTE=ᴏᴏᴋᴀᴍɪ;5403803]I don't really see the point of using this instead of Jirachi who has ~2% better defenses, better Special Attack, 101 Substitutes, etc. and in general a much more instant threat (Bronzong has to Calm Mind up more). But, if your team needs a Ground immunity, then ok.
But, I would suggest Hidden Power Fire over Flash Cannon, as it lets Bronzong dent Steel-types. ^ These are the correct calculations thanx i reall needed 2 know that, just had to say but............... OKAMI IS AWSOME!!!!! lol |
Brozong @ Life Orb
Timid nature EVs: 6 HP/252 SpA/252 Spe -Rock Polish -Flash Cannon -Psychic -Surf Rock Polish to outspeed common threats. |
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You haven't used RP Zong, stop lying. It can't learn Surf, it can learn only two HM's which are Strength and Rock Smash. Go and get some knowledge first.
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Hows this for Xatu?
Xatu @ Choice Specs Timid Nature EVs: 252 Spd/ 252 SpA -Trick -Calm Mind -Psychic -Signal Beam/Heat Wave I've been trying to come up with a good set for xatu. thoughts on this one? |
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and the whole you know...calm mind on a choice specs set thing.
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Well, since he has Trick he can use Calm Mind..
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Itachi: try zap cannon
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Is there lead tyranitar set that does not use counter? I'm looking for a set that makes it bulky but still be able to handle other leads.
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Ability: Sand Stream evs: 252 HP / 32 Atk / 224 SpD Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk) - Stealth Rock - Stone Edge - Rest / Earthquake - Pursuit / Payback Tyranitar (M) @ Lum Berry Ability: Sand Stream EVs: 252 HP/6 Atk/252 SDef Sassy nature (+SDef, -Spd) - Stealth Rock - Ice Beam / Fire Blast - Payback - Low Kick / Stone Edge 2 Versions of lead tar for you. |
I know Calm Mind Cress is good but how about Charge Beam? With Charge Beam+Ice Beam she gets perfect coverage and boosts her her Special Attack.
Cresselia @ Leftovers Bold or Modest nature EVs: 252 HP/152 Def/32 SpA/72 SpD -Charge Beam -Ice Beam In the last two slots take your pick from: Moonlight, Lunar Dance, Sunny Day, Reflect, Light Screen, T-Wave, HP Fighting etc. Cress is so versatile she can use lots of stuff. Bold is the nature for longetivity but Modest can be used for tanking power. Sunny Day can annoy TTar on the switch and hit back with HP Fighting after it looses the SpD boost from Sandstorm but that's gimmicky at best. |
Charge + Ice Beam has been known to be used on rest + sleep talk cress
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Also since when was CM Cress any good lol |
is you want a good CMer go to JYNX! ;)
but she is only useful in UU/NU |
Jynx a good CMer in UU? Never ever seen a Jynx till now in UU lol.
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well she just lovely kisses, subs then calm minds ;) well it works for me
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I'm planning on using this Blaziken set for Wifi battle. But before EVing it I wanted to make sure the nature and EV's are okay.
Blaziken @ Choice Scarf Nature: Mild Ability: Blaze EV's: 4 Atk / 252 SpA / 252 Spe Moveset: ~ Thunder Punch ~ Fire Blast ~ Stone Edge ~ Superpower/Brick Break |
I'd advise using 84 Atk/184 SpA/240 Spe. That's the standard EV spread for Scarf Blaziken. Also, use Hidden Power Ice > Stone Edge, but since it's Wi-Fi and you can't get HP Ice, then you can use Stone Edge there.
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I put in T-Punch in place of Vaccum Wave because Scarf + Priority didn't sound too good. I'm not sure what to use now.
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Blaziken @ Choice Scarf Nature: Mild Ability: Blaze EV's: 84 Atk/184 SpA/240 Spe Moveset: ~ Fire Blast ~ Superpower ~ Thunderpunch ~ Hidden Power Ice (if you can't get it then Stone Edge) |
Thanks Fire Wolf, any other thoughts?
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What do you breed a scizzor with for it to learn bullet punch?
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What's the Tyraniboah set? What is it for and what Pokemon support it good on a team?
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252 HP / 52 Atk / 176 SpA / 28 Spe Quiet / Brave Nature - Crunch - Focus Punch - Substitute - Ice Beam / Flamethrower / Thunderbolt Original boah, it was made in adv to counter the stall there. Now it doesnt really do much because it really doesnt beat stall very well and is Toxic Spikes/everything faster bait. Quote:
Tyranitar @ Expert Belt 48 Atk / 252 SpA / 208 Speed Naive Nature - Dark Pulse / Crunch - Flamethrower - Ice Beam - Superpower MixTar is much better since this actually outspeeds and beats most walls and is at least a threat now that is faster and doesnt kill itself with sub. Quote:
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Since DA suggested battling GSC... What are some good leads? Would it be a good idea to go for a more offense-based team or to stall?
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I've got a Bellossom with a Sunny Day moveset and I'm torn between what to use for the fourth slot. So far I've got
Sunny Day SolarBeam Moonlight _________ I'm torn between Toxic or Sludge Bomb. Which would be the better choice? |
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Still stall is hard to handle and is definitely the more consistent play style. Remember if you are using stall dont make it terrible and actually have synergy and a way to actually do damage or you will get overwhelmed. Aggressive stall is definitely the better play style, i.e with stuff like drum lax. Just be sure you can handle these ; Perish trapping (special attention to Thundermissy) All forms of non-drum Snorlax (there's no guaranteed answer to Lovely Kiss Drumlax apart from revenge really. Non LK/ Fire Blast drumlax is walled by Curse Skarm, if it has Fire Blast (which means it has no EQ) Tar + Missy do well and so does D-Punch Gar). Mixsweepers (Cune + Kou generally wall them all) Joltwak Tentacruel Charizard Cursegon2 and curse anything tbh Spikers (deadly with a ghost type) Growtheons http://www.pokecommunity.com/showthread.php?t=203220 <--most of the other stuff is in here. (Though celebi really isnt uber, it sucks ass so much lol) Guides http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=51778 http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=65122 http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22533 Good leads are stuff that can put junk to sleep, set up spikes, baton pass something, you know something that actually DOES something to help your teams goal. Lemme know if you have any more questions. EDIT : http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=45130&highlight=celia an example stall team, though this is REALLY MixKing, BD Lax etc weak. |
Hi! I'm having some trouble with my Tyranitar. his current moveset is this:
(he is my main latias counter) Nature: adamant item:leftovers EV: 252Hp / 52 attack / 28speed / 176 sp def Moves: - Dragon Dance - Crunch - Taunt (this move is really useful on my team) - Stone edge Help me with the moveset, the EV spread and nature! (my team: Swampert; blissey; Dusknoir; Zapdos; Heatran; Tyranitar) |
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Speaking of Latias you arent even Latias weak with blissey. :/ Taunt is useless tbh since it smashes most things that status/phaze it. Fire Punch >> Taunt @ babiri berry so you arent scizor bait. Max Speed + Max att @ jolly to outspeed Starmie, Azelf and Raikou after a DD. |
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But can't one use an anti-stall tactic to win in the GSC metagame?
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Yeah, Even with decent sweepers like snorlax it turns into a stall match, usually due to a skarmory ;)
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Well since the only entry hazard the existed than was Spikes, Flyings can break that.
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The only flying types who are even good in GSC are Zapdos, Dragonite, Jumpluff and Charizard. Zard, Nite are crapped all over by Suicune which is on every stall team. Zapdos loses to Raikou which is on every GSC stall team too. Jumpluff sucks and loses to all of the aforementioned with Roar. Please get netbattle and play before making such blunt assumptions. |
ok i need a moveset for. Smeargle heres what i got so far
Item: none EV: Speed, HP Nature: Jolly Moves: Darkvoid. Thats all i have three more moves would be nice. i dont really want a baton pass or a one hit. |
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For future reference, forgo does not mean that you use something. It means that you wouldn't use something. I actually got confused for a few seconds lol. Though this might be because I'm posting at 5 AM and/or I misread your post... |
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yea, just going with the last bit that i posted, i was really hyper and wasn't able to sleep. why attack with a smeargle, i don't know. |
Decided on using Charizard on my GSC team. It's Flying so it's immune to Spikes and it sweeps with Belly Drum. This is the gen when BellyZard was actually useful.
What's a good set? I'm thinking EQ and Fire Blast need to be there. |
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Please make sure you can remove its counters though or Starmie, Raikou, Suicune etc will crap all over you lol.
Id prolly think of ways to lure its counters up there however. |
I've been working on a team built around a offensive combo of Bulky DD Gyara(DD/Waterfall/Taunt/Bounce) and SD Luke(SD/CC/ES/SE). I've been trying to find some good teammates for this offensive combination. So far, Life Orb Heatran with HP Ice is working well for the team, but I still face major problems with Swampert, Salamence, and Scarfed Magnezone. Any suggestions?
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Use Crunch on Lucario or defensive Rotom poops all over this "combo" as you wont be luring it. Scizor is a good team mate as always wearing on similar counters (Rotom, Zapdos etc) and also keeping Mence in check. Jolteon is a pretty good team mate too pooping all over Zone with its great sp.def and Specs T-Bolt does like 48% to Zone. Also benefits from the removal of blissey thanks to LO Tran removing it. |
New To Competitive Teams
So, I've beat my version of Platinum after a long break from Pokemon and I would love to get into the competitive battling of Pokemon. I've always been a competitive gamer when it came to PS2, 360, etc. so why not DS?
So to start off, can you guys help me with the general terms? -I've seen OU and UU alot, OU tier Pokemon, etc. Strats? Approaching competitive battling? Training? -I know the term EV but I don't fully understand how it works, as well as what IVs are? Any tips on how to get started, the basic used/underused Pokemon, etc. would be very helpful. I'm new to this but would love to learn and become a good battler :) |
O.K, so I'm planning on making a team out of these Pokemon:
1. http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/6/68/Spr_4d_435.png(Skuntank) 2.http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/7/73/Spr_4d_319.png(Sharpedo) 3.http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/e/e6/Spr_4d_229_m.png(Houndoom) 4.http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/9/98/Spr_4d_332_m.png(Cacturne) 5.http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/a/aa/Spr_4d_430.png(Honchkrow) 6.http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/6/65/Spr_4d_461_m.png(Weavile) As you can see, all my Pokemon are part Dark type, to show some sort of similarity between my team. I tried to stay away from powerhouses like Shiftrys and Spiritomb because I want my team o give the other a sporting chance. But also, all my pokemon have TWO types, each having a different one. So that way, I can use a variety of moves. But this is where I need help. I'm stupid when it comes to movesets and E.V points for each Pokemon. So know that you know the main idea for my team, could someone please help me create a moveset and E.V expectations for each pokemon, please and thank you. I would just like to add I will not be "taking out" any of these Pokemon because i know these are the Pokemon I want to use. :) |
"Nice scarf Machop weakness you have there" http://www.pokesho.com/img_icon_us/i_machop.gif
Really though, 3 of your team is Stealth Rock weak, your entire team gets flattened by anything fighting type which is faster than Honchkrow (read : alot, i.e Lucario), lacks resistances and you are severely limiting yourself by not letting yourself replace honestly outclassed pokemon and the day Shiftry and Spiritomb are "powerhouses" is the day i take up competitive Soup eating. "To give the other team a chance" is the wrong attitude all together, you play competitive pokemon to WIN. Period. Sorry to seem harsh but its the truth. :/ Quote:
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Hi I'm looking for a moveset for a Crobat.
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I plan on using Fly.
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Crobat @ Choice Band
Jolly nature EVs: 6 HP/252 Attack/252 Speed -Fly / Brave Bird -U Turn -Cross Poison -Pursuit Here's your set I SERIOUSLY reccomend swapping Fly for Brave Bird but if you insist on using Fly there you go. On a more serious note, I love my Cresselia but it's current set sucks I wonder which of these two sets I should use instead under the conditions that it must have Lunar Dance to give some Pokemon a second go: Cresselia @ Leftovers Bold nature EVs: 252 HP/252 Defense/4 Speed -Calm Mind -Psychic -HP Fighthing (68 BP) -Lunar Dance or Cresselia @ Light Clay Bold nature EVs: 252 HP/148 Defense/40 Sp Defense/68 Speed -Reflect -Light Screen -Thunder Wave -Lunar Dance |
[Request] Metagame Teacher
Well, I don't know if this is the section where i shall put this but if it is isn't i'm sorry, and I also ask to the moderators to don't close this thread untill I fin a teacher. Well, I would like to ask to any experienced member in metagame if it could give me metagaming classes. I'm really noob in metagame, and I really would like to learn, and be a good metagamer.
If there is anyone interest in teaching me, post in this thread or send me a PM. Regards, Lyrics |
I can teach you if you want :P.
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I Accept. :D
I sended you a PM with my e-mail. ^^ |
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