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Slivortal March 19th, 2011 9:31 AM

Shiny Chandelure
 
So, I was fortunate enough to randomly come across a shiny Litwick today. So, here's what I was thinking about for it (remember, the nature/ability isn't changeable at this point):

Chandelure (F)
Gentle
Flame Body
Balloon/Leftovers
-Shadow Ball
-Flamethrower
-Calm Mind
-Will-o-Wisp/Substitute
252 SpAtk/258 Def/SpDef (need help here)

Thoughts?

Perriechu March 19th, 2011 9:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slivortal (Post 6520499)
So, I was fortunate enough to randomly come across a shiny Litwick today. So, here's what I was thinking about for it (remember, the nature/ability isn't changeable at this point):

Chandelure (F)
Gentle
Flame Body
Balloon/Leftovers
-Shadow Ball
-Flamethrower
-Calm Mind
-Will-o-Wisp/Substitute
252 SpAtk/258 Def/SpDef (need help here)

Thoughts?

Well firstly congrats on the Shiny Litwick. Secondly, the EV's are just wrong first of all only 255 Ev Points can be given to a stat, and then only 252 of those points actually count for something, so here's a decent spread;

252 Sp.Atk, 252 Speed, 4 Hp.

It's pretty basic, but so's the nature and moveset.

Erufuun March 19th, 2011 9:51 AM

Well, congrats on the Shiny Litwick!! :D <33 I wish I could find one...
And sorry about the nature. D; I mean it could be worse, like Adamant, but Gentle which increases Special Def and decreases Defense isn't what any Pokemon needs. Gentle and Lax are like the two worst natures. D:

Hm, this is what I reccomend.
Chandelure
Gentle
Flame Body
Balloon
-Shadow Ball
-Flamethrower
-Calm Mind
-Will-o-Wisp
252 SpAtk/252 Speed/6 SpDef
Calm Mind is a lot more viable, since it's nature Increases it's already decent Special Defence and it's great. And Will-o-Wisp is great for crippling switch ins, especially since your defense is lowered. XD
As a recommendation for a Team Mate, something that can Baton Pass Agility. This Shandera is very slow, compared to most of the game.

Skapocalypse March 19th, 2011 10:21 AM

Looking for a Kling Klang moveset / EV spread.

Phazon March 19th, 2011 10:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slivortal (Post 6520499)
So, I was fortunate enough to randomly come across a shiny Litwick today. So, here's what I was thinking about for it (remember, the nature/ability isn't changeable at this point):

Chandelure (F)
Gentle
Flame Body
Balloon/Leftovers
-Shadow Ball
-Flamethrower
-Calm Mind
-Will-o-Wisp/Substitute
252 SpAtk/258 Def/SpDef (need help here)

Thoughts?

I wouldn't change much personally. Aside from the EVs. If you can figure out the IVs you have in HP, you could give it enough EVs for 301 HP by level 100 and get off 3 Substitutes with minimal investment in HP. You can Will-O-Wisp on your bad match-ups, but with 75 accuracy it's going to miss occasionally, whereas you can always count on Substitute. I'd probably invest in Def if you're going for a defensive set, since Calm Mind covers your S.Def and Gentle nature means +S.Def -Def anyway. I can't say exactly how I'd divide the EVs, because I don't know your HP IV.

Actually, now that I think about it your HP will recover with Leftovers anyway, so it probably isn't necessary to be that specific :/.

Erufuun March 19th, 2011 11:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skapocalypse (Post 6520617)
Looking for a Kling Klang moveset / EV spread.

Oh gawd, Klinkklang has the absolute worse moveset anyone could ever ask for. The only thing it has going for him is Shift Gear. :[

KlingKlang
Item: Leftovers/Life Orb
Nature: Jolly
EVs: 252 Att/ 252 Spd/ 6 HP
Moveset:
-Shift Gear
-Gear Grind
-Substitute
-Return/Rock Smash

It is sad when you have only one attack you can use and you are forced to resort to Return or Rock Smash. Gear Grind is an impressive STAB move, though. 100 Base Power and breaks through Substitutes. Substitute is for blocking any Thunder Waves or Will-o-wisp that try and ruin your sweep. And you will see a lot of that in UU where you will be using this guy...

Detox March 19th, 2011 11:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slivortal (Post 6520499)
So, I was fortunate enough to randomly come across a shiny Litwick today. So, here's what I was thinking about for it (remember, the nature/ability isn't changeable at this point):

Chandelure (F)
Gentle
Flame Body
Balloon/Leftovers
-Shadow Ball
-Flamethrower
-Calm Mind
-Will-o-Wisp/Substitute
252 SpAtk/258 Def/SpDef (need help here)

Thoughts?

While it is shiny, there would be practically no use for this outside of in game battles, Flame Body is an awful ability, and it always needs Timid as the nature.

Slivortal March 19th, 2011 11:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dragonomega (Post 6520548)


Well firstly congrats on the Shiny Litwick. Secondly, the EV's are just wrong first of all only 255 Ev Points can be given to a stat, and then only 252 of those points actually count for something, so here's a decent spread;

252 Sp.Atk, 252 Speed, 4 Hp.

It's pretty basic, but so's the nature and moveset.

I know. I moreso meant 258 divided between the defenses.

A lot of you are saying 252 speed. Is it worth investing in speed, though? I couldn't see her really outspeeding much, so I thought that it would be better in the defenses/HP.

Detox March 19th, 2011 11:46 AM

Well since you seem to want to use it regardless... Chandelure has a pretty average base speed at 80, so you should actually. Max out speed, and Special attack. Your nature lowers Special defense and raises defense though, so I have no idea how that would work.

Slivortal March 19th, 2011 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Syndrome (Post 6520813)
Well since you seem to want to use it regardless... Chandelure has a pretty average base speed at 80, so you should actually. Max out speed, and Special attack. Your nature lowers Special defense and raises defense though, so I have no idea how that would work.

Its main use will be in-game battles/battle subway, but I still want to make it usable if I really wanted to use it in PvP.

Snoopy March 19th, 2011 12:48 PM

Help me with my Garchomp
 
Would a Naughty nature be good for a Garchomp? Or should I keep trying for Naive nature.. These are the moves I'll be teaching him. Earthquake, Ice beam, outrage, and either dragon claw or dragon rush or Draco meteor. He's also going to be holding left overs.

Erufuun March 19th, 2011 1:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Papii (Post 6520931)
Would a Naughty nature be good for a Garchomp? Or should I keep trying for Naive nature.. These are the moves I'll be teaching him. Earthquake, Ice beam, outrage, and either dragon claw or dragon rush or Draco meteor. He's also going to be holding left overs.

For Garchomp, you would need a Jolly nature! Mixed attacking is not exactly what Chomp does best. Here's a good set up for him:

Item: Leftovers/Brightpowder
Nature: Jolly
EVs: 252 Att / 252 Spd
Moves:
-Swords dance
-Substitute
-Dragon Claw
-Earthquake

This works best under an infinite sandstorm. Make use of his ability, Sand Veil, and Substitute till your opponent misses. Then boost with Swords Dance and attack attack attack.

Skapocalypse March 19th, 2011 4:04 PM

It is a shame that he has such a shallow movepool seeing as he is such a cool pogeymanz.


Also requesting a EV spread and Set for Beheeyem

trespasser March 19th, 2011 5:32 PM

Does anybody know a good moveset for Munna?

Christopher March 19th, 2011 8:48 PM

can someone tell me if the movesets are any good?

http://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/623.png
Golurk-Adamant
Trait:Iron Fist
EVs-252-Atk/252-Hp/4-Defense
-Substitute
-Focus Punch
-Shadow Punch
-Dynamic Punch
Trying to take full advantage of the Iron Fist ability, though i feel I should swap out Dynamic Punch for Earthquake.

http://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/609.png
Chandelure-Modest
Trait:Flash Fire
EVs-252-Sp.A/252-Speed/4-Defense
-Flamethrower
-Shadow Ball
-Inferno
-Hex
I really need to find other moves but I can't decide which two to replace.

http://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/620.png
Meinshao-Adamant
Trait:Regenerator
EVs-252-Atk/252-Speed/4Defense
-U-turn
-Acrobatics
-Drain Punch
-Stone edge

so any help here would be greatly appreciated.

Raichupacabra March 19th, 2011 10:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skapocalypse (Post 6521321)
It is a shame that he has such a shallow movepool seeing as he is such a cool pogeymanz.


Also requesting a EV spread and Set for Beheeyem

Trick Room
Nasty Plot
Psychic
HP Fire
Leftovers
252 Sp.Attack / 252 Sp.Defense / 6 HP

Pwnyta Jockey March 19th, 2011 10:37 PM

Re: Breeding Opinions
 
Drifloon is one of my fave Gen 4's. It worth playing GBA to get:
- Weather Ball + Body Slam babies
- Body Slam + Hypnosis babies

As for fifth Gen, my focus for now is with the gothy Psychic.
Should I go for:
- Dark Pulse + Mean Look, or just Dark Pulse?

Alternative March 20th, 2011 12:37 AM

Just a random question. I'm thinking about training a Deerling for Sawsbuck and was wondering what moves I should use for it. I think I've got it planned out.

http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/1/13/Spr_5b_586A.png
Sawsbuck @ Life Orb/Leftovers/Chople Berry
Nature: Jolly
Trait: Sap Sipper/Chlorophyll
EVs: 252 Atk | 252 Spe | 4 HP
- Swords Dance/Substitute
- Horn Leech
- Jump Kick
- Return/Double Edge

I dunno what to use for this though. Swords Dance gives you much power for Horn Leech and replenishing more HP, but Substitute can block many potential KOs from Conkeldurr and Techniloom.

marcc5m March 20th, 2011 4:46 AM

Whimsicott @Leftovers
Bold Nature
Trait: Prankster
12 HP / 248 Def / 248 Sp.Def
- Leech Seed
- Substitute
- Toxic
- Taunt


How be this?

Bulldogger March 20th, 2011 8:44 AM

Darmanitan (Sheer Force)
 
How dangerous would a Dramanitan be with Sheer Force, and a Life Orb?
Sheer force can negate life orbs health drain and coupled with its Base Attack, moderate speed, 30% damage boost from sheer force, and a life orb! I am not the best about stats but that sounds pretty scary.

sweenytom March 20th, 2011 10:47 AM

Rate my Party
 
Hey guys, just wondering if you could point out any glaring holes in my type alignment or particular strengths weaknesses a noob such as myself might not have spotted:

Btw this is for fire red

aerodactyle

exeggcute (leaf stone at lvl 47?)

lapras

dragonair

raichu

blastoise

Dark Azelf March 20th, 2011 12:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gearuvagen (Post 6521930)
can someone tell me if the movesets are any good?

http://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/623.png
Golurk-Adamant @ Leftovers
Trait:Iron Fist
EVs-252-Atk/252-Hp/4-Defense
-Substitute
-Focus Punch / Earthquake
-Shadow Punch
-Stone Edge

2 STAB moves suck when they do the same thing. EQ is an option for STAB.

http://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/609.png
Chandelure-Timid @ Life Orb / Air Balloon
Trait:Flash Fire
EVs-252-Sp.A/252-Speed/4-Defense
-Flamethrower
-Shadow Ball
-Calm Mind / Nitro Charge
-Hidden Power Fighting

You need HP Fight for Tar and Heatran, 3rd slot to buff you up.

http://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/620.png
Meinshao-Naive @ life Orb
Trait:Regenerator
EVs-252-Atk/252-Speed/4Defense
- Hidden Power [Ice]
- U-Turn / Swords Dance
- Hi Jump Kick
- Fake Out / Stone edge


The all out attacker set. Fake Out, then U-Turn out to chip away at the team. Hi Jump Kick > Drain Punch due to power which Mienshao needs. HP Ice takes out Gliscor. Stone Edge goes over Fake Out if you'd like to hit Gyarados. Swords Dance is usable over U-Turn too to sweep, but use it with Stone Edge > Fake Out.


Comments in bold.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alternative (Post 6522219)
Just a random question. I'm thinking about training a Deerling for Sawsbuck and was wondering what moves I should use for it. I think I've got it planned out.

http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/1/13/Spr_5b_586A.png
Sawsbuck @ Life Orb/Leftovers/Chople Berry
Nature: Jolly
Trait: Sap Sipper/Chlorophyll
EVs: 252 Atk | 252 Spe | 4 HP
- Swords Dance/Substitute
- Horn Leech
- Jump Kick
- Return/Double Edge

You dont need that much speed at all. Use it on Drought teams and make it so you get to 525 in the Sun which beats scarf Latios, Thundurus and the like, put the rest in HP. Wild Volt is also acceptable over Horn Leech to hit Skarmory, Chandelure and Gengae whilst still hitting waters. Swords Dance > Sub.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fireworks (Post 6522504)
Whimsicott @Leftovers
Bold Nature
Trait: Prankster
12 HP / 248 Def / 248 Sp.Def
- Leech Seed
- Substitute
- Toxic
- Taunt


How be this?

252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD as the ev spread gives you more durability. Encore is an option over Toxic or Taunt if you like coming i and trolling stat up sweepers.

matt2cool March 20th, 2011 12:24 PM

Please help me with my team.
 
This is my current team:

Haxorus lv.100 w/Dragon Fang
Adamant/Mold Breaker
Swords Dance
Outrage
Guillotine
Dragon Claw

Chandelure lv.100 w/No Item
Modest/Flash Fire
Pain Split
Shadow Ball
Heat Wave
Calm Mind

Ferrothorn lv.100 w/No Item
Impish/Iron Barbs
Explosion
Power Whip
Ingrain (May change)
Iron Defense (May change)

I'm trying not to add any legend or Non-Unova Pkmn to my team.Any suggestions to my team would be helpful.I'm thinking of Excadrill/Gigalith , Beheeyem/Reuniclus , Eelektross , lilligant , Scolipede , Hydregion , or Conkeldurr.Any help is welcomed.

Slivortal March 20th, 2011 12:32 PM

I'm back again...

I have a Modest Deino, and I was trying to figure out what to do with Hydreigon - Specs, Scarf or Orb.

Also, is 252/252/6 the best setup for it? Or could increasing the defences/HP slightly protect it from priority moves (mach punch, vacuum wave, ice shard)?

Oryx March 21st, 2011 4:28 AM

I posted this in the Pokemon General simple questions thread, but it got ignored (even though it's a yes or no question pretty much :/), and I think it might fare better here.

I decided in this game I would try to EV train Pokemon and make an attempt at the metagame, but I've never done it before. I've been trying to read up on it, and wanted to make sure I was doing this right before I began.

So if I want 255 in two random stats for a Pokemon, is this right? I go train my Pokemon on the one that Serebii says gives the stats, then once it gains every EV, I can Audino grind to get it to level 100. Not like I have instant access to rare candies or anything, and I'll probably be exp. sharing it until I get it high enough to not be required to.

Garrabutártulo March 21st, 2011 4:46 AM

Use 252 on each of those two stats and 4 on another one 'cause every 4 EVs give you 1 point, and 255 can't be divided by 4.

Oryx March 21st, 2011 4:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Garrabutártulo (Post 6524623)
Use 252 on each of those two stats and 4 on another one 'cause every 4 EVs give you 1 point, and 255 can't be divided by 4.

Thanks, I'm going to assume the approach is correct because otherwise I would have been corrected on that too. :3

Bulldogger March 21st, 2011 1:37 PM

What is a good moveset for Darumaka? I want to take advantage of its monster attack.

Erufuun March 21st, 2011 1:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bulldogger (Post 6525669)
What is a good moveset for Darumaka? I want to take advantage of its monster attack.

Darumaka?...Not Darmanitan?
Then I will assume this is in-game.
-Fire Punch
-Rock Slide
-Brick Break/Superpower
-Strength

If you wanted a competitive battling setup for Darmanitan, here's one~

Darmanitan @ Life orb
Abilty: Sheer Force
Nature: Jolly
EVs: 252 Att/252 Spd
Moveset:
-Flare Blitz/Fire Punch
-Rock Slide
-U-Turn
-Hammer Arm

Anis March 21st, 2011 1:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Syndrome (Post 6518188)


Conkledurr @ Leftovers
Nature: Adamant
Trait: Guts
120 HP | 252 Attack | 136 Special Defense
- Bulk Up
- Drain Punch
- Mach Punch
- Stone Edge | Payback

Thats your standard Conkledurr set.




1: yes, if they have an exp share equipped, they get the same EV's the pokemon that battled gets.

2: It wont matter as long as its EV trained

3: Only if you battle wild pokemon, otherwise you will have to wipe the previous EVs then re EV it in the correct stats. An easy way to level it up without battling wild pokemon is the day care or using rare candies, since they don't give EV's.

4: No, they give out the same EV's regardless of level.

Thank you for the answers to my questions so far. I just wanted to clarify a few things:
  • If two or more of my pokemon have an EXP Share, does that mean that my pokemon that just battled + my pokemon with EXP Share all get EV points? - This would really accelerate my EV training and help me get my team ready more quickly.
  • Similarly, if the pokemon that battled wore a macho brace, would that multiply the EVs for my pokemon with EXP Share?
  • Finally, as a more general question, I would be very grateful if you could give me any advice on quicker ways to EV train my pokemon (I have one month to EV train my team from scratch, this includes: breeding beneficial natures, getting relevant abilities & egg moves and then EV training them & raising them to lv 75)
Thanks again,

Anis

Detox March 21st, 2011 2:18 PM

1: Yes

2: Yes, they get the exact same EV's as the pokemon that actually battled.

3: If you can RNG breed, I suggest you try that over soft resetting for a certain IV set and natures, because you would most likely burn your month out. I could also suggest you trade for the things you need, but idk if you have the resources to do so.

heeyebsx3 March 21st, 2011 3:32 PM

How can I get these moves ?
 
Weavile
Ice Punch, Low Kick, Night Slash, Ice Shard
Tyranitar
Stealth Rock, Earthquake, Stone Edge, Crunch
Darmanitan
Dig, Hammer Arm, Flare Blitz, Stone Edge
Gengar
Thunderbolt, Focus Blast, Shadow Ball, Psychic
Excadrill - Sand Rush
X Scissor, Swords dance, Rock Slide, Earthquake
Conkeldurr - Guts
Payback, Mach Punch, Drain Punch,
Venasaur - Over Grow
Razor Leaf, Headbutt, Earthquake, Giga Drain
Garchomp
Fire Blast, Earthquake, Outrage, Dragon Claw
Kingdra - Swift Swim
Ice Beam, Draco Meteor, Rain Dance, Surf
Blissey
Softboiled, Seismic Toss, Toxic, Thunder wave

And if theres no way for me to get them, what are some good alternative moves? And I know some moves they learn on their own, but ignore those, I just copied n pasted my full list.
I'm playing Pokemon White

Raichupacabra March 21st, 2011 4:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raichupacabra (Post 6523271)
Requesting a Kabutops, Druddigon, and Emboar set.

I think this post was skipped. Hopefully someone gets to this.

gbelste March 21st, 2011 4:51 PM

Is there any pokemon that can learn both stealth rocks and spikes? I really need entry hazards, and general support for my team.

Here is my team so far:

Excadrill @ Smooth Rock
Sand Rush, Bashful Nature
252 Attack, 252 Speed, 4 HP
Earthquake
Swords Dance
Rock Slide
Sandstorm

This guy is my Sweeper. I picked him up, well because he is amazing at sweeping. I am thinking of picking up either Tyranitar or Hippowdon so I can replace Sandstorm with a more useful move.

Chandelure @ BrightPowder
Flash Fire, Bashful nature
252 Sp. Attack, 252 Speed, 4 HP
Shadow Ball
Flame Burst (Flamethrower, after I get the TM)
Hex (What can I change this to? It will need to be a TM)
Will-O-Wisp (Thinking of changing this too. What should I put?)

Chandelure basically is there for sweeping whatever Excadrill can't. However, he needs some work. Only one move is permanent, and I am at a loss for what else to put. What other moves should a sweeper know? I made the mistake of evolving him too early, because I didn't know the move tutor didn't let you learn moves from previous evolutions.

Ferrothorn @ Big Root
Iron Barbs, Bold Nature
252 Defense, 252 Sp Defense, 4 HP
Iron Defense (Should I change this to ingrain?)
Toxic
Leech Seed (I chose to breed this into him rather than stealth rock/spikes, :(
Power Whip

Ferrothorn is my tank. I'll switch him in, use leech seed (with big root) and toxic. If the opponent is using physical moves, i use Iron Defense. If he's using special moves, I start power whipping. Normally, (especially with physical attackers) Ferrothorn can wait the battle out.

All of the rest of the Pokemon are really interchangeable. I plan on hatching and EV training a Galvantula later. Is this a good idea, or bad?

My main concern here was finding a pokemon with spikes and stealth rock. Support is the biggest thing missing from my team, as I have a Physical Sweeper (Excadrill) and a Sp Sweeper (Chandelure) as well as a toxic tank. Are there any more roles I need to fill? Thanks :3

Detox March 21st, 2011 5:21 PM

Crustle can learn both, however you could just run this ferrothorn set:

Ferrothorn @ Leftovers
Trait: Iron Barbs
EVs: 252 HP / 48 Def / 208 SpD
Ivs: 0 Speed
Relaxed Nature (+Def, -Spe)
- Spikes
- Leech Seed / Stealth Rock
- Power Whip
- Gyro Ball / Thunderwave / Protect


Here is crustles too.

Crustle @ Lum Berry / Custap Berry / Mental Herb
Trait: Sturdy
EVs: 196 HP / 252 Atk / 60 Spe
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Spikes
- Stealth Rock
- X-Scissor
- Stone Edge / Rock Blast

ItachiSasuke1234 March 21st, 2011 5:23 PM

Can anyone reply me good moveset/nature/item/ability/everything for the following 5th gen pokemon?

Ferrothorn

Reuniclus

Golurk

Accelgor

Chandelure

and Musharna?

I mean its alot but if you can please reccomend some good moves and items and such to use!

and this isn't my team i just need feedback on these pokemon.

solarowl March 21st, 2011 5:44 PM

What would be more useful for Ferrothorn,
Spikes or Stealth Rock?

Detox March 21st, 2011 6:09 PM

Spikes is the standard, but some people run both.

Kiiroi March 21st, 2011 9:36 PM

http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/6/60/Spr_5b_593_m.png
Looking for a good moveset for this guy.

Raichupacabra March 21st, 2011 9:52 PM

Is this a good Haxorus set.
http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/5/5d/Spr_5b_612.png
Fraxure @ Life Orb (Boosting Attacker)
Nature: Jolly
Trait: Mold Breaker
EVs: 6 HP | 252 Atk | 252 Spe
- Dragon Dance
- Dragon Claw
- Earthquake
- Rock Slide

I am looking for a good Swampert, Torterra, Rampardos, and Krookodile moveset.

G-Virus March 21st, 2011 10:17 PM

Thats the exact same set I gave to my Haxorus xD. The only difference is that I decided to give mine Outrage instead of D. Claw for more power to take out potential threats. Get up eniugh D. Dances and youll be able to 1 hit KO chansey (apparently it has some item that made it betterthan blissey or something) I did at least. But yeah, its good IMo.

Detox March 22nd, 2011 1:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kiiroi (Post 6526732)


Jellicent @ Leftovers
Trait: Water Absorb
EVs: 252 HP / 172 Def / 84 Spe or 252 HP / 252 Def / 6 SpD
Calm Nature (+SpD, -Atk) / Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Scald / Surf
- Recover
- Taunt / Shadow Ball / Ice Beam
- Toxic / Will-o-Wisp / Taunt

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raichupacabra (Post 6526744)
Is this a good Haxorus set.
http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/5/5d/Spr_5b_612.png
Fraxure @ Life Orb (Boosting Attacker)
Nature: Jolly
Trait: Mold Breaker
EVs: 6 HP | 252 Atk | 252 Spe
- Dragon Dance
- Dragon Claw
- Earthquake
- Rock Slide

I am looking for a good Swampert, Torterra, Rampardos, and Krookodile moveset.

You need to replace Dragon Claw with outrage and rock slide with taunt.

also

[email protected]
Trait: Torrent
Relaxed Nature (+Def, -Spd)
Evs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Def
- Stealth Rock
- Ice Beam
- Earthquake
- Protect / Roar / Surf / Scald

Swampert @ Leftovers
Trait: Torrent
Careful Nature (+SpD, -SAtk)
Evs: 252 HP / 40 Def / 216 SpD
- Curse
- Earthquake / Waterfall
- Rest
- Avalanche / Sleep Talk



Krookodile @ Choice Scarf / Choice Band
Trait: Moxie
EVs: 6 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Adamant (+Atk, -SAtk) / Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- Crunch
- Pursuit
- Stone Edge

Krookodile @ Life Orb
Trait: Moxie / Intimidate
EVs: 6 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Bulk Up
- Earthquake
- Crunch / Taunt
- Stone Edge



http://www.smogon.com/dp/pokemon/torterra
http://www.smogon.com/dp/pokemon/rampardos

^, check the links for Torterra and Rampardos since I have no idea how to give you a moveset for them.

Raichupacabra March 22nd, 2011 3:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Syndrome (Post 6528159)
You need to replace Dragon Claw with outrage and rock slide with taunt.

[email protected]
Trait: Torrent
Relaxed Nature (+Def, -Spd)
Evs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Def
- Stealth Rock
- Ice Beam
- Earthquake
- Protect / Roar / Surf / Scald

Krookodile @ Life Orb
Trait: Moxie / Intimidate
EVs: 6 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Bulk Up
- Earthquake
- Crunch / Taunt
- Stone Edge



http://www.smogon.com/dp/pokemon/torterra
http://www.smogon.com/dp/pokemon/rampardos

^, check the links for Torterra and Rampardos since I have no idea how to give you a moveset for them.

Okay thanks for the advice .

インフェルノの津波 March 22nd, 2011 3:49 PM

Okay, I have a Victini with a Hardy Nature. Can I still use it? I haven;t touched it since capture.

Detox March 22nd, 2011 4:12 PM

A Hardy natured Victini wouldn't fare too well in the competitive metagame, it would like to be Timid or Modest.

Migaluch March 22nd, 2011 6:07 PM

Elemence Moveset Help
 
Hi there. First things first, i am a noob with this competitive team stuff so please bear with me if i mess something up.

After taking a look through Smogon, i have bred and raised a Salamence with an elemental moveset in my Sapphire version, which i will import to my Diamond version and eventually Black or White whenever i get it. Anyways, here is his current moveset:

Salamence Lvl. 50
Fire Blast
Hydro Pump
Fly (Just a filler for now, probably will replace)
Dragon Claw

When i was doing my best to hatch a good IVed Bagon with a preferred Nature, i had to make a decision and i ended up opting for an elemental moveset instead of the seemingly popular DDance moveset. I also messed up somewhere and never let my Elemence learn Crunch and i cannot Move Tutor it, so i need a last move for my Pokemon to learn.

What would you guys recommend me to do? If you need any more info i will gladly post it.

iMareth March 22nd, 2011 8:42 PM

I need some help deciding which natures, movesets, and items to get for my team so I would like recommendations for the following :

Serperior/Overgrow
Samurott/Torrent ( thinking Quiet nature )
Haxorus/Mold Breaker ( thinking Adamant nature )
Braviary/Sheer Force ( thinking Adamant nature )
Hydreigon/Levitate
Reuniclus/Magic Guard ( thinking Quiet nature )

Please & thank you.

Anis March 22nd, 2011 10:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Syndrome (Post 6525754)
1: Yes

2: Yes, they get the exact same EV's as the pokemon that actually battled.

3: If you can RNG breed, I suggest you try that over soft resetting for a certain IV set and natures, because you would most likely burn your month out. I could also suggest you trade for the things you need, but idk if you have the resources to do so.

Thanks again. I wanted to confirm that if my pokemon e.g. Snivy battled wearing a macho brace, not only him but my pokemon with EXP Share would also get 2 EVs in whatever stat that corresponds with the pokemon battled. I say this, as I've read on 'serebii.net' that this is not the case and that the way to do this is to place the macho brace on the lower level pokemon (instead of the EXP Share) and send it out first and then change to my Snivy - meaning the lower level pokemon gets 2 EVs and the Snivy gets 1.

With regards to my team, I can't find a quick method to check the relevant IVs I want for my pokemon, so I may have to just EV train without knowing their IVs - Do you by any chance know where I could find a lv 1 Litwick, Deino andAxew with perfect/good IVs in SpAtk & Spd/Atk & Spd, so I could trade the pokemon for them.

Cheers :)

crystalvelox March 22nd, 2011 10:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by iMareth (Post 6529234)
I need some help deciding which natures, movesets, and items to get for my team so I would like recommendations for the following :

Serperior/Overgrow
Samurott/Torrent ( thinking Quiet nature )
Haxorus/Mold Breaker ( thinking Adamant nature )
Braviary/Sheer Force ( thinking Adamant nature )
Hydreigon/Levitate
Reuniclus/Magic Guard ( thinking Quiet nature )

Please & thank you.

People are probaby going to tell you to run a typical physical set with Haxorus.

Spoiler:

Haxorus @ Life Orb
Trait: Mold Breaker
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature (+Spe, -SpA)
- Dragon Dance / Swords Dance
- Outrage
- Earthquake
- Taunt / Dragon Tail / Brick Break

I recommend brick break as a consideration for more coverage against steel types if you think they might be running air balloon. Dragon Tail has low priority remember, so you will almost always be going last with it. I honestly do not know why dragon tail has been recommended before


There are special oriented Hydreigon movesets, but I think a mixed attacker is just as effective and often surprising.
Spoiler:

Hydreigon @ Life Orb
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 48 SpAtk / 208 Atk / 252 Spe
Naive Nature (+Spd, -SpDef)
- Outrage
- Surf/Focus Blast
- Dark Pulse/Dragon Pulse
- Fire Blast/Flamethrower

Outrage hits anything hard that might resist it's special attacks. Otherwise, it gets good coverage with it's other moves.

Probably best to go with the typical set for Reuniclus.

Spoiler:

Reuniclus @ Life Orb
Trait: Magic Guard
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpA
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Calm Mind
- Recover
- Psyshock / Psychic
- Hidden Power [Fighting] / Focus Blast

Magic Guard prevents life orb recoil.


I am not quiet familiar with Serperior, but I have seen a few sets that seem to work. Sub-seed serperior makes use of it's bulk and speed.


Spoiler:

Serperior @ Leftovers
Trait: Overgrow
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpA
Calm Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Substitute
- Leech Seed
- Giga Drain
- Toxic

I'll say it again, I am not quiet sure the best spread of nature, EVs, and moveset for Serperior, but this should work fairly well for it. Serperior is already faster than many pokemon without investing into it's speed stat. The increased HP gives it a sturdier Substitute, and because of leftovers, leech seed, and giga drain, your opponent will have to have a specific counter for this pokemon to stop it. If you cannot touch anything, you can always poison it and stall it out.


I have never seen or used Braviary before in battles. But, if it's going to run any sort of set-up, it is going to use its best stats.

Spoiler:

Braviary @ Life Orb
Trait: Sheer Force
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spe / 4 Hp
Adamant (+Atk, -SpA)
- Rock Slide
- Thrash/Crush Claw
- Bulk-UP
- Superpower

Apprently, I have read that a pokemon with sheer force will not take damage from life orb recoil if a move is powered by sheer force. Also, the only moves that Braviary can use Sheer Force with is Rock Slide and Crush Claw as far as I can find. Anyway, this set-up seems to make use of its natural strengths. Rock slide gets a boost and no recoil, along with good coverage. Superpower is there to hit any steel types that it might run into. With bulk-up, you can get your stats up, or recover from lost stats of superpower. Thrash with stab (180 base power) > Crush claw + sheer force (150 base power). The toss up is if you want a slightly stronger attack, or more controller over what you attack.


Samurott... Alright, I am sort of out of ideas with this one as it looks like it could use a lot of different movesets. It has roughly an average set of defences, and a slightly above average attack & SpAtk. Although, its movepool does not seem not give it up much option for a potential defensive pokemon in anyway really, but it has a great list of attacks to choose from. I'll try to make a few different movesets.

Spoiler:

Samurott @ Choice Band
Trait: Torrent
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spe / 4 Hp
Adamant (+Atk, -SpA)
- Aqua Jet
- Revenge
- Megahorn/X-scissors
- Waterfall/Nightshade

This gives it more power, and good type coverage for attacks. It can make use of revenge due to it having a somewhat slower than normal speed.

Samurott @ LifeOrb/Leftovers
Trait: Torrent
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Hp / 4 Spe
Adamant (+Atk, -SpA)
- Aqua Jet
- Revenge
- NightSlash
- Sword Dance

I sort of copied from Scizor in a way. You get a sword dance up, and you get priority move to abuse. Revenge adds coverage against steel types, and NightSlash is there only because it would get walled by pokemon like gyarados, dragonite, salamence, etc. and so it needs an attack for neutral damage at the very least.

Samurott @ Choice Specs
Trait: Torrent
EVs: 252 SpAtk / 252 Spe / 4 Hp
Modest (+SpA, -Atk)
- Surf/Scald/Hydro Pump
- Ice Beam/Blizzard
- Grass Knot
- Air Slash

Fairly straightforward. Hits stuff hard with special attacks and gets type coverage along the way. Simply choose what you might want more of: Power or accuracy.


Oryx March 23rd, 2011 4:38 AM

How often does an alright competitive team win in something like Pokemon Online?

crystalvelox March 23rd, 2011 5:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toujours (Post 6529636)
How often does an alright competitive team win in something like Pokemon Online?

I believe you can get a 90% win rate or something like with some teams. Experience and knowledge probably plays a large part in making any well equipped team go far.

Perriechu March 23rd, 2011 7:50 AM

It honestly depends on the person your battling and how good they are, I'd say an average team could get some wins but also a lot of losses.

Detox March 23rd, 2011 12:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toujours (Post 6529636)
How often does an alright competitive team win in something like Pokemon Online?

It honestly depends on you and how you use it, and the skill level of your opponent.

Oryx March 23rd, 2011 12:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Syndrome (Post 6530353)


It honestly depends on you and how you use it, and the skill level of your opponent.

Quote:

Originally Posted by dragonomega (Post 6529858)
It honestly depends on the person your battling and how good they are, I'd say an average team could get some wins but also a lot of losses.

See, that's why I asked. If I win half the time and lose half the time with a team, is the team alright, or bad, all other considerations being equal? I'm experimenting on Pokemon Online, and I don't want to go through the effort of IV/EV training on a team that's crap, and I didn't know it was crap because I thought a 50-60% win ratio was alright for a team or something similar.

crystalvelox March 23rd, 2011 1:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toujours (Post 6530364)
See, that's why I asked. If I win half the time and lose half the time with a team, is the team alright, or bad, all other considerations being equal? I'm experimenting on Pokemon Online, and I don't want to go through the effort of IV/EV training on a team that's crap, and I didn't know it was crap because I thought a 50-60% win ratio was alright for a team or something similar.

My assumptions are the same as yours. If your losing at lot, something must be wrong. If you are winning a ton, then you are doing something right. Anything in the middle seems alright.

Go with your intution on this.

iMareth March 23rd, 2011 2:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crystalvelox (Post 6529358)
People are probaby going to tell you to run a typical physical set with Haxorus.

Spoiler:

Haxorus @ Life Orb
Trait: Mold Breaker
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature (+Spe, -SpA)
- Dragon Dance / Swords Dance
- Outrage
- Earthquake
- Taunt / Dragon Tail / Brick Break

I recommend brick break as a consideration for more coverage against steel types if you think they might be running air balloon. Dragon Tail has low priority remember, so you will almost always be going last with it. I honestly do not know why dragon tail has been recommended before


There are special oriented Hydreigon movesets, but I think a mixed attacker is just as effective and often surprising.
Spoiler:

Hydreigon @ Life Orb
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 48 SpAtk / 208 Atk / 252 Spe
Naive Nature (+Spd, -SpDef)
- Outrage
- Surf/Focus Blast
- Dark Pulse/Dragon Pulse
- Fire Blast/Flamethrower

Outrage hits anything hard that might resist it's special attacks. Otherwise, it gets good coverage with it's other moves.

Probably best to go with the typical set for Reuniclus.

Spoiler:

Reuniclus @ Life Orb
Trait: Magic Guard
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpA
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Calm Mind
- Recover
- Psyshock / Psychic
- Hidden Power [Fighting] / Focus Blast

Magic Guard prevents life orb recoil.


I am not quiet familiar with Serperior, but I have seen a few sets that seem to work. Sub-seed serperior makes use of it's bulk and speed.


Spoiler:

Serperior @ Leftovers
Trait: Overgrow
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpA
Calm Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Substitute
- Leech Seed
- Giga Drain
- Toxic

I'll say it again, I am not quiet sure the best spread of nature, EVs, and moveset for Serperior, but this should work fairly well for it. Serperior is already faster than many pokemon without investing into it's speed stat. The increased HP gives it a sturdier Substitute, and because of leftovers, leech seed, and giga drain, your opponent will have to have a specific counter for this pokemon to stop it. If you cannot touch anything, you can always poison it and stall it out.


I have never seen or used Braviary before in battles. But, if it's going to run any sort of set-up, it is going to use its best stats.

Spoiler:

Braviary @ Life Orb
Trait: Sheer Force
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spe / 4 Hp
Adamant (+Atk, -SpA)
- Rock Slide
- Thrash/Crush Claw
- Bulk-UP
- Superpower

Apprently, I have read that a pokemon with sheer force will not take damage from life orb recoil if a move is powered by sheer force. Also, the only moves that Braviary can use Sheer Force with is Rock Slide and Crush Claw as far as I can find. Anyway, this set-up seems to make use of its natural strengths. Rock slide gets a boost and no recoil, along with good coverage. Superpower is there to hit any steel types that it might run into. With bulk-up, you can get your stats up, or recover from lost stats of superpower. Thrash with stab (180 base power) > Crush claw + sheer force (150 base power). The toss up is if you want a slightly stronger attack, or more controller over what you attack.


Samurott... Alright, I am sort of out of ideas with this one as it looks like it could use a lot of different movesets. It has roughly an average set of defences, and a slightly above average attack & SpAtk. Although, its movepool does not seem not give it up much option for a potential defensive pokemon in anyway really, but it has a great list of attacks to choose from. I'll try to make a few different movesets.

Spoiler:

Samurott @ Choice Band
Trait: Torrent
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spe / 4 Hp
Adamant (+Atk, -SpA)
- Aqua Jet
- Revenge
- Megahorn/X-scissors
- Waterfall/Nightshade

This gives it more power, and good type coverage for attacks. It can make use of revenge due to it having a somewhat slower than normal speed.

Samurott @ LifeOrb/Leftovers
Trait: Torrent
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Hp / 4 Spe
Adamant (+Atk, -SpA)
- Aqua Jet
- Revenge
- NightSlash
- Sword Dance

I sort of copied from Scizor in a way. You get a sword dance up, and you get priority move to abuse. Revenge adds coverage against steel types, and NightSlash is there only because it would get walled by pokemon like gyarados, dragonite, salamence, etc. and so it needs an attack for neutral damage at the very least.

Samurott @ Choice Specs
Trait: Torrent
EVs: 252 SpAtk / 252 Spe / 4 Hp
Modest (+SpA, -Atk)
- Surf/Scald/Hydro Pump
- Ice Beam/Blizzard
- Grass Knot
- Air Slash

Fairly straightforward. Hits stuff hard with special attacks and gets type coverage along the way. Simply choose what you might want more of: Power or accuracy.



Thank you very much for that information.

インフェルノの津波 March 23rd, 2011 8:05 PM

Hey guys, I'm looking to make a Sandstorm team with the following Pokemon, unless you have some of your own to recommend:

Gliscor, U-Turning Lead.
Tyranitar, the Sandstorm setter.
Excadrill, the Sweeper.
Ferrothorn, the Spikes/Stealth Rock setter.
Chandelure/Golurk, the Ferrothorn switch-out.
and Empoleon, the Semi-Wall/Sweeper.

What do you think?

Erufuun March 23rd, 2011 8:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by インフェルノの津波 (Post 6530847)
Hey guys, I'm looking to make a Sandstorm team with the following Pokemon, unless you have some of your own to recommend:

Gliscor, U-Turning Lead.
Tyranitar, the Sandstorm setter.
Excadrill, the Sweeper.
Ferrothorn, the Spikes/Stealth Rock setter.
Chandelure/Golurk, the Ferrothorn switch-out.
and Empoleon, the Semi-Wall/Sweeper.

What do you think?

I'd switch out Empoleon for Jellicent. :3 Specially Bulky? Your team has trouble with Fire, Fighting, Ice, and Water, all of which Jellicent resist! Jellicent is a very annoying wall beside Ferrothorn. XD

And Chandelure is probably better off being switched with Balloon Heatran. Much more bulkier.

*mSc* March 24th, 2011 3:52 AM

Reuniclus and Toxic advice.
 
I've just started getting into the competitive battling and team-building world, and have a couple of questions that I hope someone can give help me out with.

First, I have a Reuniclus, with a typical offensive moveset:

*Psychic
*Focus Blast
*Shadow Ball
*Trick Room

I was wondering if there was any benefit in having him learn RECOVER, perhaps instead of Focus Blast/Shadow Ball, to help him stay alive a bit longer and annoy oposing teams?


My second question is whether or not I should have my lead pokemon learn toxic, just to cause a bit of steady damage to a foe(s) over the course of the battle? I'm not really sure if Toxic is used often in competitive battling, so am just curious as to what people think.


Any help is appreciated.

Cheers.

Detox March 24th, 2011 2:30 PM

If you ditch either of those moves, you lose coverage, so stick with that moveset.

It depends honestly, if you find it beneficial to run toxic go ahead. However, beware of taunt and some pokemon (Thundurus, Erufuun) etc. have priority taunt.

mycooly March 24th, 2011 6:06 PM

Online help
 
I need help deciding on a team to get me through the game and help me beat people. All i really have is Serperior I'll tell you his stats

Serperior lvl 61
Coil
Giga Drain
Leaf Storm
Dragon Tail

any ideas to add to my team? please and thanks
~Mycooly~

akaKidder March 24th, 2011 9:31 PM

I have some questions for more knowledgeable people.
 
All Questions refer to Gen V

Okay so, first question. I have a level 70 Hydreigon that I EV trained for speed and attack, but recently I had a Deino hatch from a egg and I was wondering if I should bother leveling this new Deino up and EV train it for something different. I'm a super noob at EV training by the way.

Second question: What does the nature and IV's have to do with the way I should train my pokemon? And what exactly are IV's and where can I see my pokemons IV's

Third: What is a good "Wall" pokemon in pokemon white? So far I have trained all my pokemon in Speed and Attack just because it was convenient.

Fourth: What is the difference between a pokemons attack and special attack?


Thats about it for now!
Thanks in advanced to anyone who helps me out, I appreciate it!

-akaKidder

Haberdasher March 24th, 2011 10:05 PM

I'm not that knowledgeable so I can't help with all of these, but I'll see what I can do.

2. IVs are numbers generated whenever a Pokemon is encountered/bred that determine how high its individual stats can go. They range from 0 to 31, and each number higher than 0 is one higher that the corresponding stat will be at level 100, all else being equal. IVs of wild Pokemon are roughly randomly generated; IVs of bred Pokemon somewhat rely on those of the parents. IVs cannot be directly viewed ingame as far as I know, but there are many IV calculators available online.
Generally speaking, natures and IVs give an individual Pokemon certain strengths and weaknesses that usually should be taken into account by its EV spread. For example, a Jolly Alakazam with a 31 Speed IV and 0 SpAtk IV is faster, but less strong in Sp.Atk., than a Quiet Alakazam with a 0 Speed IV and a 31 SpAtk IV. Thus, you could choose either to make the first even faster and the second even stronger through EVs, or you could try to balance things out by giving the first one SpAtk EVs and the second Speed EVs. (Though given that Alakazam isn't good at anything but Speed and SpAtk, you might as well train in both in that case. :P)
4. Attack determines how strong moves which make contact are, while Special Attack determines how strong moves which don't make contact are. Which moves are which can be found in-game on the summary screen showing the moves, and many Pokemon (but not all) generally rely on one of the two. With a few exceptions, moves which use the attacking pokemon's Attack hit the defender's Defense, while moves which use Special Attack hit Special Defense.

You might want to look at the relevant Bulbapedia/Serebii pages for this stuff, as they're more detailed and coherent than I can be right now. Hope this helped.

crystalvelox March 24th, 2011 10:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mycooly (Post 6532723)
I need help deciding on a team to get me through the game and help me beat people. All i really have is Serperior I'll tell you his stats

any ideas to add to my team? please and thanks
~Mycooly~

If you can take the time to try a few pokemon, then Braviary or Hydreigon are good additions. Pretty much the latar part of the game is managable with a few of these pokemon. Chandelure as well is pretty good with its high special attack. There are a load of good pokemon to choose from, you simply need to spend sometime raising them up to the ideal level.

Quote:

All Questions refer to Gen V

Okay so, first question. I have a level 70 Hydreigon that I EV trained for speed and attack, but recently I had a Deino hatch from a egg and I was wondering if I should bother leveling this new Deino up and EV train it for something different. I'm a super noob at EV training by the way.
This is a personal question you have to decide yourself. I find it annoying trying to EV train pokemon, so I try to do it only once per pokemon.
Third: What is a good "Wall" pokemon in pokemon white? So far I have trained all my pokemon in Speed and Attack just because it was convenient.
Confagrisus, Reniclus, Jellicent, and Ferrothorn are all decent pokemon in-game.
-akaKidder

akaKidder March 24th, 2011 11:18 PM

Thanks guys this helped a lot!

Detox March 25th, 2011 3:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by akaKidder (Post 6533024)
All Questions refer to Gen V

Okay so, first question. I have a level 70 Hydreigon that I EV trained for speed and attack, but recently I had a Deino hatch from a egg and I was wondering if I should bother leveling this new Deino up and EV train it for something different. I'm a super noob at EV training by the way.

I would only recommend doing so if the IV's are superior.

Second question: What does the nature and IV's have to do with the way I should train my pokemon? And what exactly are IV's and where can I see my pokemons IV's

The nature of a pokemon increases one stat by 10% and hampers another by 10%. for a full list of natures, check here. IV's stand for Individual values, they range from 0 to 31 and have a role, along with natures, in determining how high a pokemons stats can be. While you cant see them, there are several methods that allow you to check, such as the Action Replay code or the IV Checker in the Battle Frontier/ Subway.

Third: What is a good "Wall" pokemon in pokemon white? So far I have trained all my pokemon in Speed and Attack just because it was convenient.

Well Commomn walls are things like Jellicent, Skarmory, Ferrothorn, Blissey...anything with moderate to high HP and Defenses, and can take a hit and usually recover it off. Which one you want to use though if your own preference.

Fourth: What is the difference between a pokemons attack and special attack?

Attack is for Physical moves and Special Attack is for special moves.

Thats about it for now!
Thanks in advanced to anyone who helps me out, I appreciate it!

-akaKidder


Comments in bold, hope it helps.

anonite March 25th, 2011 3:42 AM

Split weather
 
Anyone ever use two weather changes in one team?

I'm trying to use sunny and rain.

Detox March 25th, 2011 1:16 PM

I don't know if that would be the best idea, you would virtually have to fit two different teams into one, and they are polar opposites, so I really don't think that would work.

Everyone Esplode Noaw March 25th, 2011 3:33 PM

Hexing Chandelure
 
http://sprites.kraftpaper.org/i/609.gif

Chandelure - The Luring Pokémon @ Leftovers
252 Sp. Atk | 252 Speed
Timid Nature

--

Fire Blast

Hex
Calm Mind
Will-O-Wisp

--

Strategy / Explanation
Chandelure is one of the better Pokemon in Generation 5, but its Speed is lacking, so we're gonna max out his Speed EVs in order to help that; The Special Attack EVs are because this entire move set is based around its very good Special Attack stat.

The strategy is rather simple, using Will-O-Wisp to burn your opponent and you use Calm Mind to "stage-up" Chandelure's already powerful Special Attack until you are ready to attack with Hex and / or Fire Blast to possibly knock out the defending Pokemon.

iMareth March 25th, 2011 3:36 PM

Quick question.

Can I train EV train a pokemon by giving it an EXP share? I got some freshly bred pokes and it'll be very hard for the 1st couple of levels so I am wondering.

Ex - I give Axew the EXP share and Serperior kills a Patrat. Will Axew get the 1 EV point? If not, can someone explain how it would work?

Oryx March 25th, 2011 3:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by iMareth (Post 6534673)
Quick question.

Can I train EV train a pokemon by giving it an EXP share? I got some freshly bred pokes and it'll be very hard for the 1st couple of levels so I am wondering.

Ex - I give Axew the EXP share and Serperior kills a Patrat. Will Axew get the 1 EV point? If not, can someone explain how it would work?

From what I've been reading, it would work like that, the same as if you put your Pokemon in the front and then switched it out. Both Pokemon would get the EVs. As long as you get experience, you receive the same EVs.

Vrai March 25th, 2011 3:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by anonite (Post 6533355)
Anyone ever use two weather changes in one team?

I'm trying to use sunny and rain.

It seems really difficult to pull off. I'm assuming you have Politoed + two rain abusers and then Ninetales + two sun abusers? I mean, you cover two types of weather there but there's a third weather in sand (and another in hail). Plus, if you get stuck where you're down to Politoed + your sun abusers, it won't work. I think you'd be better off sticking to one theme, not two.

iMareth March 25th, 2011 3:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toujours (Post 6534682)


From what I've been reading, it would work like that, the same as if you put your Pokemon in the front and then switched it out. Both Pokemon would get the EVs. As long as you get experience, you receive the same EVs.

Ahh thank you. So pretty much both will get 1 EV point and it'll work. Thank you :)

MisterCool March 25th, 2011 6:22 PM

Need Help Breeding
 
I'm trying to breed the 'perfect' Hydreigon, perfect being in my eyes. I've been reading guides on how exactly to try and go about this and it seems very complicated. I understand how to EV train and what not. I'm more curious about the IV's.

How can I get the IV's where I want them? If at all possible?

Sorry if this is in the wrong area, I wasn't exactly sure where to put it. :[

crystalvelox March 25th, 2011 8:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by anonite (Post 6533355)
Anyone ever use two weather changes in one team?
I'm trying to use sunny and rain.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Syndrome (Post 6534378)
I don't know if that would be the best idea, you would virtually have to fit two different teams into one, and they are polar opposites, so I really don't think that would work.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vrai (Post 6534703)
It seems really difficult to pull off. I'm assuming you have Politoed + two rain abusers and then Ninetales + two sun abusers? I mean, you cover two types of weather there but there's a third weather in sand (and another in hail). Plus, if you get stuck where you're down to Politoed + your sun abusers, it won't work. I think you'd be better off sticking to one theme, not two.

Take their advice that dual weather on the same team won't turn out well. The better alternative to what your suggesting to do anonite might be to abuse the fact that your opponent might be running a weather team too. So, if you design your team around say water, then you add on a pokemon like garchomp. If you ever run into a sandstorm team, you have a pokemon to benefit from it in a way.

iMareth March 25th, 2011 9:32 PM

Correct me if I am wrong please or simply confirm my math.

I am EV training my Axew using an EXP share and fighting Basculins. I did not use any vitamins so I started from 0. Basculin gives 2 EV points per kill so I would need to kill 126 Basculins to get 252 EV stat in speed, right?

Raichupacabra March 25th, 2011 9:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by iMareth (Post 6535284)
Correct me if I am wrong please or simply confirm my math.

I am EV training my Axew using an EXP share and fighting Basculins. I did not use any vitamins so I started from 0. Basculin gives 2 EV points per kill so I would need to kill 126 Basculins to get 252 EV stat in speed, right?

Ask for Pokerus (x2) from Forever and get a Power Anklet (+4) so you will only need to fight 21.

2 + 4 = 6 x 2 = 12 x 21 = 252 (With PKRS and Anklet)

If you don't have access to this stuff. It's okay.

And yeah your calculations are correct.

crystalvelox March 26th, 2011 2:50 AM

Even though blaziken is suspect on our server, I was wondering about its moveset anyway.

Blaziken (F) @ Life Orb
Ability: Speed Boost
EV: 252 Atk/ 252 Spd/ 4 Hp
Jolly (+Spd/-SAtk)
- Baton Pass
- Sword Dance
- Brick Break
- Shadow Claw

As a physical sweeper, does this set-up enable to effectively sweep? Or do the move changes alter its abilty to sweep?

Vrai March 26th, 2011 5:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crystalvelox (Post 6535593)
Even though blaziken is suspect on our server, I was wondering about its moveset anyway.

Blaziken (F) @ Life Orb
Ability: Speed Boost
EV: 252 Atk/ 252 Spd/ 4 Hp
Jolly (+Spd/-SAtk)
- Baton Pass
- Sword Dance
- Brick Break
- Shadow Claw

As a physical sweeper, does this set-up enable to effectively sweep? Or do the move changes alter its abilty to sweep?

a) Baton Pass is illegal on Ken; b) Brick Break and Shadow Claw aren't nearly as powerful as Flare Blitz and Hi Jump Kick, plus they aren't STABbed (well, Brick Break is, but it's weak as hell).

TBH, my favorite set for Blaziken runs Leftovers, as well as Adamant and Protect > Baton Pass (because that's illegal haha). The two moves that you have left give perfect coverage, but they're still really weak and it won't really make an more of an effective sweep than running Flare Blitz and HJK. Remember, you do have five other team members to take out what resists Fire + Fighting. ;)

Anis March 26th, 2011 8:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anis (Post 6529324)
Thanks again. I wanted to confirm that if my pokemon e.g. Snivy battled wearing a macho brace, not only him but my pokemon with EXP Share would also get 2 EVs in whatever stat that corresponds with the pokemon battled. I say this, as I've read on 'serebii.net' that this is not the case and that the way to do this is to place the macho brace on the lower level pokemon (instead of the EXP Share) and send it out first and then change to my Snivy - meaning the lower level pokemon gets 2 EVs and the Snivy gets 1.

With regards to my team, I can't find a quick method to check the relevant IVs I want for my pokemon, so I may have to just EV train without knowing their IVs - Do you by any chance know where I could find a lv 1 Litwick, Deino andAxew with perfect/good IVs in SpAtk & Spd/Atk & Spd, so I could trade the pokemon for them.

Cheers :)

I sent this message a few days ago, but still haven't received a reply. I would be very grateful if anybody could share their thoughts on this topic.

Thank you :)

Detox March 26th, 2011 9:27 AM

Yeah, what serebii says is true: With exp share, you only get the normal amount of EV's, not modified amounts.

You would have to check the trade corner.

cartercr March 26th, 2011 9:56 AM

So I'm thinking about trying a Specs Victini set, please tell me what you think.

Victini @ Choice Specs
252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid

Fire Blast
Focus Blast
Thunder
Psychic

crystalvelox March 26th, 2011 11:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vrai (Post 6535786)
a) Baton Pass is illegal on Ken;

The OU banned list mentions blaziken, but it does not mention anything about baton pass being banned on it o.0

Vrai March 26th, 2011 12:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cartercr (Post 6536211)
So I'm thinking about trying a Specs Victini set, please tell me what you think.

Victini @ Choice Specs
252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid

Fire Blast
Focus Blast
Thunder
Psychic

It likely won't be effective. Choice insinuates that a Pokemon will have to switch in and out, and with Victini's massive weakness to entry hazards that's not really easy to do. Plus, Victini's speed isn't as good as it might be for an effective specs user (see: latios). Again, I really dunno what kind of merit this has over Latios who can do the same thing but hit harder, be faster, have more resistances, isn't entry hazard weak, and has better coverage.

Quote:

Originally Posted by crystalvelox (Post 6536381)
The OU banned list mentions blaziken, but it does not mention anything about baton pass being banned on it o.0

Baton Pass is illegal on DW (Speed Boost) Blaziken because it cannot legitimately get both that ability and the egg move Baton Pass without hacking at this point in time. It's like that because the only DW Blaziken released so far have been male, meaning that they can't get the move in question to be passed down (males pass down moves). So yeah, Baton Pass Ken is generally not allowed on any server, including our own.

crystalvelox March 26th, 2011 12:36 PM

Oh, so once a female has been released, the combination of baton pass and speed boost will be possible in-game. Therefore, legal. Unless proven to be banned in OU.

So once it is legal, you can run
Blaziken (F) @ Life Orb
Ability: Speed Boost
EV: 252 Atk/ 252 Spd/ 4 Hp
Jolly (+Spd/-SAtk)
- Baton Pass
- Sword Dance
- Hi Jump Kick
- Blaze Kick

which gets threatened by a switch-in by chandelure, slowbro, gyarados, starmie, tentacruel, jellicent, dragonite, salamence, and [email protected] after a single sword dance. Baton pass over to Mew

Mew @ Life Orb
Ability: Synchonize
EV: 252 Atk/ 252 Spd/ 4 Hp
Jolly (+Spd/-SAtk)
- Baton Pass
- Swords Dance
- IcePunch
- ThunderPunch

, then those threats to blaziken are somewhat nullifed since Mew should be able to take on those threats.

Vrai March 26th, 2011 12:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crystalvelox (Post 6536486)
Oh, so once a female has been released, the combination of baton pass and speed boost will be possible in-game. Therefore, legal. Unless proven to be banned in OU.

So once it is legal, you can run
Blaziken (F) @ Life Orb
Ability: Speed Boost
EV: 252 Atk/ 252 Spd/ 4 Hp
Jolly (+Spd/-SAtk)
- Baton Pass
- Sword Dance
- Hi Jump Kick
- Blaze Kick

which gets threatened by a switch-in by chandelure, slowbro, gyarados, starmie, tentacruel, jellicent, dragonite, salamence, and [email protected] after a single sword dance. Baton pass over to Mew

Mew @ Life Orb
Ability: Synchonize
EV: 252 Atk/ 252 Spd/ 4 Hp
Jolly (+Spd/-SAtk)
- Baton Pass
- Swords Dance
- IcePunch
- ThunderPunch

, then those threats to blaziken are somewhat nullifed since Mew should be able to take on those threats.

Right. However, a female hasn't been released yet so there's not much use theorymonning about it yet. :(

jigglyppuff8 March 26th, 2011 1:28 PM

I recently bred this amazing Larvesta (31/x/31/31/x/31), and was wondering how this set looked:

Volcarona @ Life Orb/Leftovers
Flame Body
Modest
252 Sp. atk / 252 Speed / 6 X
~Quiver Dance
~Firey Dance
~Bug Buzz
~Hidden Power [Dragon]

My main concern is the usefulness of Hidden Power. Does Dragon work, or should I consider Hurricane, Psychic, or some other move?

Perriechu March 26th, 2011 1:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jigglyppuff8 (Post 6536588)
I recently bred this amazing Larvesta (31/x/31/31/x/31), and was wondering how this set looked:

Volcarona @ Life Orb/Leftovers
Flame Body
Modest
252 Sp. atk / 252 Speed / 6 X
~Quiver Dance
~Firey Dance
~Bug Buzz
~Hidden Power [Dragon]

My main concern is the usefulness of Hidden Power. Does Dragon work, or should I consider Hurricane, Psychic, or some other move?

It really should have 31 in Special Defense to \: But W.E, Hidden Power Dragon should be replaced by HP Rock.

Rock is pretty much Flying types, that will try to KO you.

jigglyppuff8 March 26th, 2011 1:45 PM

It should, but :effort

So, my main concern for running Hidden Power Dragon or Hidden Power Rock are Flying types? Mind naming some Flying Type threats I should look out for? I haven't had much experience with Gen V battling yet.

Opposite Day March 26th, 2011 1:51 PM

eh, HP Rock lets you hit foe Volcorona as well as say Salamence, Dragonite (multiscale is so DAMN hard to kill) etc, while hitting Heatran for neutral. Heatran could also be covered by HP Fight (balloon tran is common as hell), or HP Ground I guess, but that leaves you open to D-nite/mence.

jigglyppuff8 March 26th, 2011 1:57 PM

I probably wouldn't even stay in on Tran, but still, you've convinced me. Rebreed it is.

Vrai March 26th, 2011 1:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Opposite Day (Post 6536631)
eh, HP Rock lets you hit foe Volcorona as well as say Salamence, Dragonite (multiscale is so DAMN hard to kill) etc, while hitting Heatran for neutral. Heatran could also be covered by HP Fight (balloon tran is common as hell), or HP Ground I guess, but that leaves you open to D-nite/mence.

Yep. HP Rock also gives you the best overall neutral coverage iirc. Gyarados is also a big threat that Rock lets you maul. :(

Quote:

Originally Posted by jigglyppuff8
I probably wouldn't even stay in on Tran, but still, you've convinced me. Rebreed it is.

You probably could if you have more than two-ish Quiver Dances.

Everyone Esplode Noaw March 26th, 2011 11:03 PM

So, does anyone have anything to say about my Chandelure?

Zaroas March 27th, 2011 2:59 AM

What's a good Pokemon to replace Reuniclus on a team, as it may be getting close to being an Uber? I'm essentially looking for something that lures Dark and Ghost types in as well as deals with Fighting types well. Psychic type is somehwta prefered, but Ghost type could work, too.

Perriechu March 27th, 2011 6:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zaroas (Post 6537624)
What's a good Pokemon to replace Reuniclus on a team, as it may be getting close to being an Uber? I'm essentially looking for something that lures Dark and Ghost types in as well as deals with Fighting types well. Psychic type is somehwta prefered, but Ghost type could work, too.

It may not be the same but I use; Beheeyem true his HP stat doesn't match up to Reuniclus his Defense & Special attack stat is the same as the Jelly Blob, his Special defense and Speed is higher to, he's not exactly a poor man's Reuniclus but he's not better. I'd give you a set I made, but it's for Trick Room teams ;o;

Volcom22 March 27th, 2011 10:11 AM

So after playing Pokemon for several years I finally decided to get into online batteling. My problem is because I don't "EV" train my Pokemon I tent to almost always lose. How do you EV train and how do you know if your EV training is going good? For example, I know that Patrats/Lilliups give you an attack bonus. I spent an hour killing these and I didn't notice no change in my Attack Stat. If anyone can help I'd truly appreciate it! :classic:

Weavile05 March 27th, 2011 10:16 AM

A good Gigalith Set?

Leadalith
Nature: Brave or Adamant for more power
Relaxed or Impish for more resistance
Naughty or Lax could also work

Ability: Sturdy

Item: Rocky Helmet

EVs: 252 Atk/ 252 Def

Moveset:
Stealth Rock
Explosion
Stone Edge
Earthquake

Strategy: Defense EVs and Sturdy ability garuntee it can set up Stealth Rock. Then, you either Explode, which will usually kill thanks to High Attack, or use Stone Edge or Earthquake (Edgequake combo). Rocky Helmet forces damage onto attacking foes, cancelling out the Sturdy ability of other pokemon.

Anis March 27th, 2011 2:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Syndrome (Post 6536160)
Yeah, what serebii says is true: With exp share, you only get the normal amount of EV's, not modified amounts.

You would have to check the trade corner.

Thank you for your message. I've just managed to get a Timid Litwick with Flash Fire, after having to go through hatching 45 eggs. I look forward to trying out EV training for the first time by using all the advice you have given me in the past week.

Thanks again :)

Vrai March 27th, 2011 4:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zaroas (Post 6537624)
What's a good Pokemon to replace Reuniclus on a team, as it may be getting close to being an Uber? I'm essentially looking for something that lures Dark and Ghost types in as well as deals with Fighting types well. Psychic type is somehwta prefered, but Ghost type could work, too.

Nothing can really fill the role of Reuniclus because it's so unique. The next best thing that you can probably get is Sigilyph. It gets Magic Guard like Reuniclus, as well as luring things like Tyranitar (it really lures Dark-types in particular) and can run a Cosmic Power + Assist Power (idk it's english name; I think it's Stored Power) set that can work really well. It's probably the closest you'll get to Reuniclus, though. :(

Quote:

Originally Posted by Volcom22 (Post 6538303)
So after playing Pokemon for several years I finally decided to get into online batteling. My problem is because I don't "EV" train my Pokemon I tent to almost always lose. How do you EV train and how do you know if your EV training is going good? For example, I know that Patrats/Lilliups give you an attack bonus. I spent an hour killing these and I didn't notice no change in my Attack Stat. If anyone can help I'd truly appreciate it! :classic:

Here's a solid link to help you.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Weavile05 (Post 6538314)
A good Gigalith Set?

Leadalith
Nature: Brave or Adamant for more power
Relaxed or Impish for more resistance
Naughty or Lax could also work

Ability: Sturdy

Item: Rocky Helmet

EVs: 252 Atk/ 252 Def

Moveset:
Stealth Rock
Explosion
Stone Edge
Earthquake

Strategy: Defense EVs and Sturdy ability garuntee it can set up Stealth Rock. Then, you either Explode, which will usually kill thanks to High Attack, or use Stone Edge or Earthquake (Edgequake combo). Rocky Helmet forces damage onto attacking foes, cancelling out the Sturdy ability of other pokemon.

That's standard Gigalith, though I believe it's 252 Atk / 252 HP and Custap Berry is preferred so that you can take a hit and priority Explosion on them. (Custap isn't released yet, though, so idk...)

akaKidder March 27th, 2011 11:06 PM

If I use EXP share to EV train a pokemon with PKRS does it still get the affect of PKRS?


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