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Dark Azelf November 17th, 2009 4:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FreakyLocz14 (Post 5328283)
Um doens't Dark Pulse=Shadow Ball as far as coverage goes. Dark and Ghost both are good against only Psychic and.

I was thinking more or an Agility passer Zapdos set.

Dark Pulse is resisted by Heracross (and Toxicroak..lol)and so is Aura Sphere, whilst Shadow Ball hits him neutral.

[email protected]
248 HP / 136 Def / 88 Sp.A / 36 Spe
Timid / Modest
- Agility
- Charge Beam / Thunderbolt
- Baton Pass
- Hidden Power Grass

Is the standard set, you can also pass Charge Beam boosts which is cool.

addam19 November 17th, 2009 10:59 AM

Chimchar @ EverStone
Nature : Impish
EV : HP 3 / 252 SpAtk / 252 Speed
- FlameThrower
- Grass Knot
- Rollout
- Focus Energy

Aurafire November 17th, 2009 11:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by addam19 (Post 5328842)
Chimchar @ EverStone
Nature : Impish
EV : HP 3 / 252 SpAtk / 252 Speed
- FlameThrower
- Grass Knot
- Rollout
- Focus Energy

EVs are ok, but the nature, items and moveset are in dire need of changing.

Focus Energy and Rollout are useless given Infernapes other option, and Everstone offers nothing beneficial as a hold item. Check out this page for some better options: http://www.smogon.com/dp/pokemon/infernape

Kendall November 17th, 2009 3:13 PM

Slowking
 
Wanting to EV train my Slowking, wanted to see if this was a good setup.

Slowking @ Leftovers
Nature: Sassy (+SpD -SpE)
Characteristic: Quick to Flee (+SpE)
Ability: Own Tempo

EV Spread: 192 HP/68 Def/44 SpA/200 SpD/6 SpE

Moveset: Surf, Ice Beam, Slack Off, Grass Knot/Fire Blast/Nasty Plot

I am unsure about the last slot, or if I should trade a move in a different slot. Any help much appreciated.

Thanks,
Ken

Dark Azelf November 17th, 2009 3:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kendall (Post 5329712)
Wanting to EV train my Slowking, wanted to see if this was a good setup.

Slowking @ Leftovers
Nature: Sassy (+SpD -SpE)
Characteristic: Quick to Flee (+SpE)
Ability: Own Tempo

EV Spread: 192 HP/68 Def/44 SpA/200 SpD/6 SpE

Moveset: Surf, Ice Beam, Slack Off, Grass Knot/Fire Blast/Nasty Plot

I am unsure about the last slot, or if I should trade a move in a different slot. Any help much appreciated.

Thanks,
Ken

If you are using Slowking as a tank which your nature and evs suggest then try this

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212 HP / 44 DEF / 252 S.DEF
Calm Nature
Own Tempo
- Surf
- Psychic / Ice Beam
- Thunderwave / Toxic
- Slack Off

The status is pretty much needed imo and Slowking is great at abusing it. Psychic is good for stab and the neutral coverage it grants and hits things hard so is preferable, though ice beam is ok for dragons and celebi and whatnot.

If you are using Nasty Plot, use Modest but use the evs i gave and put the sp,def into sp.att and use Nasty Plot over the status.

.Aero November 17th, 2009 6:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Griffinbane (Post 5323395)
RMT = Rate My Thread
OU = Overused

OU is a tier for competitive battling. There are 5 tiers, uber, OU, BL, UU, NU. Someone else will have to expand on that.

RMT =/= Rate My Thread

It stands for Rate My Team, otherwise we could just make rate my threads filled with nonsense.

Uber, OU, BL, UU, and NU are the five main tiers, but I believe there's two more:

Uber - Uber (OU ban list)
OU - Overused
BL - Borderline (UU ban list)
UU - Underused
NU - Neverused (not in the literal sense)

Anything in a lower tier can be used in any higher tier, but it cannot go vice versa.

The other two tiers are LC and NFE.

LC - Little Cup - consists of generally 1st stage pokemon at level 5, has its own little metagame that no one plays.

NFE - Not Fully Evolved - not so much a tier, but it's fun to face other NFE teams with your own. Some pokemon that are technically not fully evolved exist in higher tiers (such as Magneton and Porygon2) and therefore cannot be used in NFE teams.

Kendall November 17th, 2009 7:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dark Azelf (Post 5329758)
If you are using Slowking as a tank which your nature and evs suggest then try this

[email protected]
212 HP / 44 DEF / 252 S.DEF
Calm Nature
Own Tempo
- Surf
- Psychic / Ice Beam
- Thunderwave / Toxic
- Slack Off

The status is pretty much needed imo and Slowking is great at abusing it. Psychic is good for stab and the neutral coverage it grants and hits things hard so is preferable, though ice beam is ok for dragons and celebi and whatnot.

If you are using Nasty Plot, use Modest but use the evs i gave and put the sp,def into sp.att and use Nasty Plot over the status.

I used Sassy nature because I tried for quite a while to get Calm, but I figured that Slowking was slow enough as it is, so it wouldn't matter to have the 10% decrease in speed. Also, he is mostly a tank but I wanted to have some EVs in SpA anyways to boost those stats up a bit for his special attacks, and since he's already got a high SpD + the 10% boost from Sassy, I thought taking a few EVs from SpD wouldnt hurt. Also, since he can take a few hits I would think Calm Mind would help boost his stats and make a stronger attack/take even more hits. I also want to take Psychic away because I might also have Gardevoir or Latias on the team.

But those are just my thoughts, if you think differently please explain.

Thanks,
Ken

FreakyLocz14 November 18th, 2009 9:52 PM

Ampbipom @ Focus Sash
Technician ability
Jolly nature
EVs: 252 Atk/252 Spe
-Agility
-Baton Pass
-Fake Out
-Double Hit

Double Hit > Return is my choice for breaking Subs.

AsaQuilava November 19th, 2009 11:45 AM

I'm having a hard time working with my Ampharos. I have no clue what moveset to use; any suggestions would be /massively/ appreciated.

Chains November 19th, 2009 12:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AsaQuilava (Post 5333941)
I'm having a hard time working with my Ampharos. I have no clue what moveset to use; any suggestions would be /massively/ appreciated.

Heres a few sets
Ampharos
Modest
252 HP/ 252 Sp.Atk/ 4 Defense
Thunderbolt/ Discharge
Hidden Power Ice/ Hidden Power Grass
Focus Blast
Substitute/ Signal Beam
Now i would reccomend Discharge on this because Amhporos is really slow and could really use the extra paralysis support. Now i would use Hidden Power Ice so it has the "BoltBeam" combo which only Lanturn Shedinja and Magnezone family resist. Focus Blast is there for power and substitute is there for poke faster then it and pokes that can threaten it with earthquake. Or you could always give this thing Choice Specs for alot of power

Ampharos
Quiet
252 Sp.Atk/ 200 HP/ 58 Attack
Thunderbolt/Discharge
Hidden Power Ice/ Hidden Power Grass
Focus Punch
Substitute
Now if you plan on using this in OU then here is the set you wanna use as it lures in blissey and focus punch will take care of her

Ampharos
Calm
252 HP / 88 Def / 168 SpD
Light Screen
Reflect
ThunderBolt
Toxic/ Hidden Power Ice/ Grass
Now this is more of a tank set for Ampharos and is somewhat a supporter pokemon with the duel screens. Or you could always give it heal bell for even more of a supporter

natedogg November 19th, 2009 12:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AsaQuilava (Post 5333941)
I'm having a hard time working with my Ampharos. I have no clue what moveset to use; any suggestions would be /massively/ appreciated.


Depends on what you want Ampharos to do.

Ampharos @ Leftovers
Nature: Modest
Evs: 208hp/252sp.A/ 48spe
- T-Bolt
- Focus Blast/Focus Punch
- Hp Ice
- Sub

This is Ampharos most powerful set (Besides Specs). If you are planning to use this in OU go with Focus Punch over Focusblast and use a Quiet nature and shift 20 evs to att from hp. You can also use HP grass over ice.

http://www.smogon.com/dp/pokemon/ampharos You can also look here for more sets.

Edit: Looks like the person above me got to it first lol.

Kittyipawd November 19th, 2009 5:03 PM

What counters scizor and t-tar?

SmashBrony November 19th, 2009 5:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kittyipawd (Post 5334818)
What counters scizor and t-tar?

I've heard Vaporeon is good VS Tyranitar...
& also Machamp, & I think Hippowdon...
VS Scizor... I'm thinking Heatran...
But do ya need something to take them BOTH?

Dark Azelf November 19th, 2009 5:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stoney Kong (Post 5334891)
I've heard Vaporeon is good VS Tyranitar...
& also Machamp, & I think Hippowdon...
VS Scizor... I'm thinking Heatran...
But do ya need something to take them BOTH?

Vappy is bad vs Tar, the CBer destroys it and so does most its other sets.

Best counters vs Tar are bulky fighting types aka Hitmontop, Hariyama, Machamp etc. Specs Luke is an amazing check as it can switch in on both stabs and threaten to KO with Aura Sphere or Vaccum Wave is Tar is of the DD variety. Bulky grounds are excellent against it too, Hippowdon, Swampert, Gliscor etc Scarfers like Flygon are ok checks too and so is Scizor.

Scizor counters are Rotom-A, Gyarados, Heatran, Magnezone, Skarmory, Bulky Flamethrower Salamence, Zapdos etc. Just make sure you try to avoid Stealth Rock with some of these though as it really wears them down with U-Turn.

If you want something to deal with BOTH i reccomend Scarf Iron head/Fire Punch Jirachi though this SHOULD NOT be your first switch into Scizor as U-Turn REALLY hurts. Fire Fang Gliscor can deal with both decently too.

Inb4bulkyape lol

Chains November 19th, 2009 7:48 PM

Bulky Grounds counter Tyranitar, like Hippowdon, and Rhyperior, they both have excellent HP and Defense and can counter back with STABed Super Effective Earthquakes. Tyranitar also hates Scizor, with a 90 Base Power Bullet Punch with Choice Band and its Super Effective without a Bibari Berry its gunna take Tyranitar down, Scizor also has decent Defense and can use a Super Effective U-Turn as well.

Scizor's biggest counter is Magnezone (Scarfed is better counter) Magnezone can come in on Banded Scizor while its locked into Bullet Punch which Magnezone resists X4, and can OHKO back with a Super Effective HP Fire and Scizor is trapped due to Magnet Pull. Heatran is another counter but not as good as Magnezone because it cant trap it but it still can OHKO it deffinately

Alternative November 19th, 2009 8:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chains (Post 5335335)
Bulky Grounds counter Tyranitar, like Hippowdon, and Rhyperior, they both have excellent HP and Defense and can counter back with STABed Super Effective Earthquakes. Tyranitar also hates Scizor, with a 90 Base Power Bullet Punch with Choice Band and its Super Effective without a Bibari Berry its gunna take Tyranitar down, Scizor also has decent Defense and can use a Super Effective U-Turn as well.

You'd have to be an idiot to switch Scizor into T-Tar. Most T-Tar carry a Babiri berry now, and Jolly is faster than a standard CB Scizor, not to mention with Fre Punch

Chains November 19th, 2009 8:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hayley Williams (Post 5335351)
You'd have to be an idiot to switch Scizor into T-Tar. Most T-Tar carry a Babiri berry now, and Jolly is faster than a standard CB Scizor, not to mention with Fire Punch


Ummm ever hear of priority? It doesnt matter if Tyranitar is faster when Scizor is using Bullet Punch and whoever said that the Tyranitar wasnt Banded or was a Boah? No-one said it was Jolly and had a Bibari Berry, theres plenty of Tyranitar sets other then a Jolly DD Bibari Berry T-Tar. And even with a Bibari Berry Bullet Punch still does about 50% so all Tyranitar needs is alittle prior damage, and without a Bibari Berry Scizor can OHKO it with either Bullet Punch or U-Turn (SR would help) so get your facts straight.........

SebaSneakers November 20th, 2009 1:38 AM

what do you think of my heracross :

Heracross : METABEE
LV 40
Male
ADAMANTnature
somewhat stuborn
likes spicyfood

abilty : guts

HP128
Atk137
Def79
sAtk46
sDef93
Spd78

Close Combat 8/8
Sword Dance 30/30
Brick Break 15/15 (wil be chanced to Megahorn10/10
RockSlide 10/10

Chaostorm November 20th, 2009 6:33 AM

If im Opt to use the SkarmBliss combanition, what are the suitable movesets for both Skarmory and blissey ?

Dark Azelf November 20th, 2009 6:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chaostorm (Post 5335852)
If im Opt to use the SkarmBliss combanition, what are the suitable movesets for both Skarmory and blissey ?

[email protected] / Shed Shell
Impish Nature
252 HP / 64 Atk / 176 Def / 16 Spe
Trait : Keen Eye
- Spikes / Stealth Rock
- Roost
- Whirlwind
- Brave Bird


+

[email protected]
Calm Nature
252 Def / 80 SAtk / 176 SpD
Trait : Natural Cure
- Wish
- Protect / Softboiled
- Toxic
- Flamethrower / Seismic Toss / Ice Beam

OR

[email protected]
Calm Nature
252 Def / 80 SAtk / 176 SpD
Trait : Natural Cure
- Softboiled
- Thunderwave / Toxic
- Flamethrower / Ice Beam / Stealth Rock
- Seismic Toss / Stealth Rock

Toxic on stall and T-Wave on more offensive teams.

Also they dont work without support you need a spin blocker etc, so yeah.

Chaostorm November 20th, 2009 7:03 AM

if you said Spin blocker then I should use Rotom-A with them, but whats a good moveset for rotom-A if its gonna be a spin blocker ? ( Im thinking of the ResTalker ... )

Dark Azelf November 20th, 2009 7:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chaostorm (Post 5335906)
if you said Spin blocker then I should use Rotom-A with them, but whats a good moveset for rotom-A if its gonna be a spin blocker ? ( Im thinking of the ResTalker ... )

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252 HP / 176 DEF / 80 SPD
Bold Nature
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
- Discharge / Thunderbolt
- Will-o-Wisp / Reflect

[email protected]
252 HP / 176 DEF / 80 SPD
Bold Nature
- Pain Split
- Discharge
- Shadow Ball / <Signature Move>
- Will-O-Wisp / Reflect

Reflect if you are using T-Spikes since W-O-W conflicts with it.

Chaostorm November 20th, 2009 7:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dark Azelf (Post 5335909)
[email protected]
252 HP / 176 DEF / 80 SPD
Bold Nature
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
- Discharge / Thunderbolt
- Will-o-Wisp / Reflect

[email protected]
252 HP / 176 DEF / 80 SPD
Bold Nature
- Pain Split
- Discharge
- Shadow Ball / <Signature Move>
- Will-O-Wisp / Reflect

Reflect if you are using T-Spikes since W-O-W conflicts with it.

I guess I wil use the ResTaker as it absorbs status.

Darkhunter101 November 21st, 2009 12:18 AM

I thought of this idea for a Politoed tank that i'll be using in my UU RainDance Team, i'm not sure whether it will work and any feedback would be highly appreciated.

Kermit (Politoed) @Chesto Berry
Adamant Nature (+Attack, -Sp.A)
200 Sp.D, 252 Hp, 56 Attack
~Belly Drum
~Rest
~Ice Punch
~Waterfall

So what it's basically meant to do is to set up Belly Drum, then use rest. The Chesto Berry will then wake it up and it will proceed to cause massive damage to the opponent. What do you think?

Alternative November 21st, 2009 12:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darkhunter101 (Post 5337912)
I thought of this idea for a Politoed tank that i'll be using in my UU RainDance Team, i'm not sure whether it will work and any feedback would be highly appreciated.

Kermit (Politoed) @Chesto Berry
Adamant Nature (+Attack, -Sp.A)
200 Sp.D, 252 Hp, 56 Attack
~Belly Drum
~Rest
~Ice Punch
~Waterfall

So what it's basically meant to do is to set up Belly Drum, then use rest. The Chesto Berry will then wake it up and it will proceed to cause massive damage to the opponent. What do you think?

The whole point of a Belly Drum Politoed is to sweep, so there's no point using Rest, or a Chesto Berry, and, I don't really like Politoed in general, but if you insist on using one, use this set.

http://www.smogon.com/download/sprites/dp/186.png @ Salac Berry
Water Absorb
Jolly Nature (+Spe, -SpA)
252 Atk, 6 SpD, 252 Spe
30 HP IVs
- Belly Drum
- Substitute
- Waterfall
- Ice Punch/Return

This set allows you to Belly Drum, in a sub, trying to max your speed for a sweep.

Personally, I wouldn't use Politoed, especially in a Rain team, since there is plenty that can outrun this set, even with the max Speed and Salac berry. If you still need a Physical Attacker that needs to be fast, I'd Recommend using this thing.

http://www.smogon.com/download/sprites/dp/424.png @ Leftovers
Swift Swim
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SpA)
252 Atk, 6 Def, 252 Spe
- Bulk Up
- Waterfall
- Ice Punch
- Crunch/Brick Break

This thing still has minimal set-up but gets that much wanted speed boost in the rain.
Crunch or Brick Break is really up to personal preferance. Crunch gives you type coverage over Alakazam, but Brick Break stops others from ruining your sweep.

Darkhunter101 November 21st, 2009 12:45 AM

It's meant to be able to take strong Special hits and Deal out strong physical hits, it's a tank. I don't need a sweeper like the ones you posted. Also, i am Dead-Set on using Politoed.

Chaostorm November 21st, 2009 1:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darkhunter101 (Post 5337930)
It's meant to be able to take strong Special hits and Deal out strong physical hits, it's a tank. I don't need a sweeper like the ones you posted. Also, i am Dead-Set on using Politoed.

you're trying to say that your Politoed set works well =/ ?

Darkhunter101 November 21st, 2009 1:07 AM

No, i'm trying to say that i need a tank set that can do what i said i wanted it to do, not a sweeper set...

Chaostorm November 21st, 2009 1:30 AM

Well I guess its Muk which would help you :

Muk @ Black Sludge
Nature : Careful
Ability : Sticky Hold
EVs : 252 HP / 80 Def / 176 SpD
-Curse
-Poison Jab / Gunk Shot
-Brick Break / Ice Punch / Fire Punch
-Explosion / Shadow Sneak / Rest.

this is your ideal special tank for UU.

Alternative November 21st, 2009 1:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darkhunter101 (Post 5337930)
It's meant to be able to take strong Special hits and Deal out strong physical hits, it's a tank. I don't need a sweeper like the ones you posted. Also, i am Dead-Set on using Politoed.

Politoed doesn't really work that well as a tank while taking hits at the same time.
If you really want a tank, take a bulky water, like Gastrodon or Quagsire.

knobfire November 21st, 2009 5:37 AM

Hey, is this a good set for a PHYSICAL Shiftry:

[email protected] Sash
Adamant Nature
252/Atk 252/Spe 4/HP
-Swords Dance/ Substitute?
-Explosion
-Seed Bomb
-Sucker Punch

Feel free to leave any other suggestions!
BTW, It'll be used for Singles & Doubles

I NEED YOUR HELP PEOPLE! (PREFERABLY TODAY!)

Dark Azelf November 21st, 2009 8:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by knobfire (Post 5338237)
Hey, is this a good set for a PHYSICAL Shiftry:

[email protected] Sash
Adamant Nature
252/Atk 252/Spe 4/HP
-Swords Dance/ Substitute?
-Explosion
-Seed Bomb
-Sucker Punch

Feel free to leave any other suggestions!
BTW, It'll be used for Singles & Doubles

I NEED YOUR HELP PEOPLE! (PREFERABLY TODAY!)

Cant i wait untill next year to help you ? ~_~ lol

But yeah you want Low Kick, prolly >> Explosion or steel types and Cacturne etc totally shut you down.

Use a Life Orb, Sash sucks on anything bar leads (which shiftry should NOT be doing), SR, Spikes, T-Spikes, weather all make it useless.

zoster November 21st, 2009 11:59 AM

Hi! i would like you to give me an opinion about this moveset for cresselia:

Cresselia @ Leftovers
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 Hp/ 4 Sp.Atk/ 252 Def
modest nature
~ Ice beam
~ Charge beam/Psychic
~ Moonlight
~ Calm mind

Aurafire November 21st, 2009 12:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zoster (Post 5339033)
Hi! i would like you to give me an opinion about this moveset for cresselia:

Cresselia @ Leftovers
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 Hp/ 4 Sp.Atk/ 252 Def
modest nature
~ Ice beam
~ Charge beam/Psychic
~ Moonlight
~ Calm mind

Cress can't do Calm Mind and a defensive set at the same time, otherwise it's totally useless. Get rid of Calm Mind and Charge Beam/Psychic for Thunderwave and Reflect so it doesn't die to Pursuit or Scizor's U-Turn. Or if you still want to run Calm Mind, change your EVs to 96 HP / 252 Special Attack / 160 Speed with a Timid Nature to at least take advantage of the Calm Mind boosts.

Darkhunter101 November 21st, 2009 1:00 PM

Calm Mind adds on Sp. D too... So why can't he use it on a defensive spread? i use the same ev spread with calm mind on my Mesprit and it works perfectly, just remove some of the attacks and replace them with walling moves. Oh, and give it a defensive nature like Calm or Bold.

FreakyLocz14 November 21st, 2009 3:40 PM

How do you pass on natures via breeding?

Dark Azelf November 21st, 2009 3:43 PM

Everstone on the female or ditto.


Also dont use cress for CMing its like the worst Cmer ever, really utter set up fodder/pursuit bait. :/

FreakyLocz14 November 21st, 2009 4:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dark Azelf (Post 5339590)
Everstone on the female or ditto.


Also dont use cress for CMing its like the worst Cmer ever, really utter set up fodder/pursuit bait. :/

Oh I was wondering if Everstone would work when Ditto breeding.

P.S. wouldn't Charge Beam+Ice Beam be good on Cress?

zoster November 21st, 2009 4:38 PM

So, if i made this moveset?
-Ice Beam
-Psychic/Charge Beam
-Moonlight
-Reflect

I can understand why CM isn't the best choice... but why should i take off Charge Beam/psychic for thunder wave?

FreakyLocz14 November 21st, 2009 4:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zoster (Post 5339762)
So, if i made this moveset?
-Ice Beam
-Psychic/Charge Beam
-Moonlight
-Reflect

I can understand why CM isn't the best choice... but why should i take off Charge Beam/psychic for thunder wave?

That set looks like you're looking to tank. Charge Beam > Psychic so you can get SpA boosts and get that BoltBeam coverage. Moonlight to increase longetivity. To take care of TTar you need to get +2 HP Fighting or use Sunny Day to take away Tar's SpD boost from Sand and increase the usefulness of Moonlight.

T-Wave is more for a status set. T-Wave, Lunar Dance, Reflect, Light Screen, Magic Coat, and Gravity are all good support moves for a Cress.

Mogus November 22nd, 2009 8:26 AM

What would be the best moveset for a modest gyarados? Right now he knows Ice Fang Aqua Tail, Dragon Rage, and Twister

, and what about a hardy typhlosion? He knows Lava Plume Swift Flamethrower, and Quick attack

Thanks!

Ambient November 22nd, 2009 8:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mogus (Post 5341436)
What would be the best moveset for a modest gyarados? Right now he knows Ice Fang Aqua Tail, Dragon Rage, and Twister

, and what about a hardy typhlosion? He knows Lava Plume Swift Flamethrower, and Quick attack

Thanks!

Gyarados doesn't do Modest, because it's special attack is very bad. Go for an Adamant nature.

Most Typhlosion are Timid or Modest running either:

Overheat, Focus Blast, Fire Blast/Flamethrower, HP [Ice/Grass/Electric]
or
Sunny Day, Solarbeam, Fire Blast/Flamethrower/Eruption, HP [Ice/Electric]
with EVs: 4 HP/252 Sp.Atk/252 Speed

Neutral natures aren't good, it's better to decrease at stat by 10% you aren't using and increase one 10% that you are using than have them all grow based on their base stat and IV.

Peeky Chew November 22nd, 2009 1:03 PM

[email protected] Berry
Gentle
Don't know its precise EVs but at lv. 100:
Atk 178 Def 162 Sp. Atk 319 Sp. Def 185 Spd 281
-Dark Pulse
-Hypnosis
-Psychic
-Focus Blast

I need something that can perform basically the same task as this but just take hits a bit better. Most of the time Gengar either does really well or just gets 1/2 hko'd.
Thanks in advance :)

Aurafire November 22nd, 2009 1:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peeky Chew (Post 5342220)
[email protected] Berry
Gentle
Don't know its precise EVs but at lv. 100:
Atk 178 Def 162 Sp. Atk 319 Sp. Def 185 Spd 281
-Dark Pulse
-Hypnosis
-Psychic
-Focus Blast

I need something that can perform basically the same task as this but just take hits a bit better. Most of the time Gengar either does really well or just gets 1/2 hko'd.
Thanks in advance :)

Gengar @ Life Orb
Timid Nature
4 Def / 252 Special Attack / 252 Speed
- Shadow Ball
- Focus Blast
- Thunderbolt
- Hidden Power Fire / Hidden Power Ice / Protect / Hypnosis

For the most part, Gengar wants a set like this. Obviously you can play around with the last moveslot, but the first three moves are generally the most useful. Life Orb >>>> Micle Berry please, Micle Berry is useless for the most part and you want the extra power given by Life Orb.

Timid and max EVs in Speed and Special Attack will make him a lot more useful for you ;D

Peeky Chew November 22nd, 2009 1:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aurafire (Post 5342245)
Gengar @ Life Orb
Timid Nature
4 Def / 252 Special Attack / 252 Speed
- Shadow Ball
- Focus Blast
- Thunderbolt
- Hidden Power Fire / Hidden Power Ice / Protect / Hypnosis

For the most part, Gengar wants a set like this. Obviously you can play around with the last moveslot, but the first three moves are generally the most useful. Life Orb >>>> Micle Berry please, Micle Berry is useless for the most part and you want the extra power given by Life Orb.

Timid and max EVs in Speed and Special Attack will make him a lot more useful for you ;D

Thanks for the help. I aggree on the Life Orb, Shadow Ball and Focus Blast's but isn't having Tbolt a little predictable?

Aurafire November 22nd, 2009 1:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peeky Chew (Post 5342257)
Thanks for the help. I aggree on the Life Orb, Shadow Ball and Focus Blast's but isn't having Tbolt a little predictable?

Predictable, yes...But it gives you great type coverage and hitting bulky waters is always a good thing.

But if you already have insurance against Gyarados / Suicune and all the others, feel free to switch it for another attack. HP Fire is a good choice as well =P

Ryu-kun November 22nd, 2009 1:38 PM

How does a fully defensive Steelix sound? Pretty predictable?

Something like this:

http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/e/e7/Spr_4d_208_m.png
Impish nature
252 Def 252 SP.Def/ATK
Stone Edge
Earthquake
Ice/Fire/Thunder Fang
Taunt (My team choice to prevent people using SR or SD)

natedogg November 22nd, 2009 1:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ryu-kun (Post 5342348)
How does a fully defensive Steelix sound? Pretty predictable?

Something like this:

http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/e/e7/Spr_4d_208_m.png
Impish nature
252 Def 252 SP.Def/ATK
Stone Edge
Earthquake
Ice/Fire/Thunder Fang
Taunt (My team choice to prevent people using SR or SD)


You should use 252 HP evs over 252 def evs. Steelix still has 436 defense without def evs. So there is no real need for def evs. You want 252 sp.D evs to help take special attacks better. Taunt is bad on steelix as it is so slow. Use Roar or Explosion over that. And use SR in the third slot. Steelix causes many switches so getting up SR is pretty easy.

Ryu-kun November 22nd, 2009 11:11 PM

But yeah, I thought of maxing Def, as a Max Def Steelix is what no-one expects nowdays and then it (hopefully) has enough defense to withstand a couple of STAB EQ.

Taunt is for making people unable of spamming Swords Dance, because if that happens, Steelix is screwed, even after those defence EV:s

Dark Azelf November 23rd, 2009 12:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ryu-kun (Post 5343713)
But yeah, I thought of maxing Def, as a Max Def Steelix is what no-one expects nowdays and then it (hopefully) has enough defense to withstand a couple of STAB EQ.

Taunt is for making people unable of spamming Swords Dance, because if that happens, Steelix is screwed, even after those defence EV:s

No, that is a terrible way to ev something. You gain MORE defensive capabilities by maxing the hp i hope you realize this, use Nates spread.

Steelix is too slow for Taunt besides Roar forces them out of play anyway and they lose their swords dance boosts so is the better option.

zoster November 23rd, 2009 1:07 AM

Help me with this set :

Dusknoir @ Leftovers
Impish (+defense ; - Sp. Attack)
or
adamant (+attack ; - Sp. Attack)
252 Hp / (?) Attack / (?) Def
- Will-o-wisp
- Pain-split
- Earthquake
- Fire punch / ice punch / Thunder punch / Shadow sneak / pursuit / Sucker Punch

This pokemon will be in a Stall team without Sandstorm or Hail and will or as a Rapid Spin blocker and a tank, so i would like some Ev training in attack

FreakyLocz14 November 23rd, 2009 4:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aurafire (Post 5342277)
Predictable, yes...But it gives you great type coverage and hitting bulky waters is always a good thing.

But if you already have insurance against Gyarados / Suicune and all the others, feel free to switch it for another attack. HP Fire is a good choice as well =P

Laugh out loud @ Focus Blast's 70% accuracy.

Can anyone calculate if Cresselia (Modest nature, 32 SpA EVs) can OHKO Tyranitar using HP Fighting after +2 SpA boosts.

This is the set I'm thinking of:

Cresselia @ Leftovers
Modest nature
EVs: 252 HP/152 Def/32 SpA/72 SpD
-Charge Beam
-Ice Beam
-HP Fighting
-Lunar Dance / Moonlight

Split on what to use for last slot.

Ambient November 23rd, 2009 4:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zoster (Post 5343800)
Help me with this set :

Dusknoir @ Leftovers
Impish
252 HP/28 Atk/228 Def
- Will-o-Wisp
- Pain Split
- Earthquake/Fire Punch
- Ice Punch/Thunderpunch


This pokemon will be in a Stall team without Sandstorm or Hail and will or as a Rapid Spin blocker and a tank, so i would like some Ev training in attack

Fixes in bold in the quote

gee2k8 November 23rd, 2009 10:59 AM

I have read a few times that a impish natured hippowdon is arguably the best nature for a lead yet i have tried to breed for one and i have been having difficulties. I have just bred an adamant one with slack off and very nice ivs. Is there a way i can rework the following moveset/effort values to make a decent lead from an adamant nature or can anyone make a suggestion on a different moveset with this nature? thanks in advance

Hippowdon (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Sand Stream
EVs: 252 HP/88 Atk/168 Def
Impish nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- Slack Off
- Stealth Rock
- Roar

Dark Azelf November 23rd, 2009 3:48 PM

No, Hippowdon NEEDS Impish.

PhantomDraco November 23rd, 2009 4:13 PM

Could someone recommend EV spreads and Nature for:


Salamence @ Life Orb
Intimidate
-Dragon Dance
-Outrage
-Earthquake
-Fire Blast / Stone Edge (Leaning towards Fire Blast)

Thanks in advance.

Ambient November 23rd, 2009 4:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PhantomDraco (Post 5345366)
Could someone recommend EV spreads and Nature for:


Salamence @ Life Orb
Intimidate
-Dragon Dance
-Outrage
-Earthquake
-Fire Blast / Stone Edge (Leaning towards Fire Blast)

Thanks in advance.

Naughty/Naive nature
EVs: 232 Atk / 24 SpA / 252 Speed

FreakyLocz14 November 24th, 2009 4:50 PM

What are some good NU Pokemon for a Baton Pass team?

I'm thinking things like Girafarig and maybe a FriskTrick Bannette.

Kittyipawd November 24th, 2009 4:55 PM

What the gliscor lead set ,I cant find it on analsis?

Aurafire November 24th, 2009 5:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FreakyLocz14 (Post 5348167)
What are some good NU Pokemon for a Baton Pass team?

I'm thinking things like Girafarig and maybe a FriskTrick Bannette.

Pure Baton Pass isn't a very good idea for any tier, unless you're just doing it for fun of course. But uh...I'd just look through everything that can learn Baton Pass in NU and try to throw something together that isn't totally useless. It's hard to suggest specific pokemon because...either way it's probably not going to work very well =(

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kittyipawd (Post 5348184)
What the gliscor lead set ,I cant find it on analsis?

Gliscor @ Leftovers
Impish Nature
252 HP / 40 Defense / 216 Speed
- Taunt
- Stealth Rock
- U-Turn
- Earthquake / Roost

Or something like that iirc...

FreakyLocz14 November 24th, 2009 5:38 PM

[QUOTE=Aurafire;5348344]Pure Baton Pass isn't a very good idea for any tier, unless you're just doing it for fun of course. But uh...I'd just look through everything that can learn Baton Pass in NU and try to throw something together that isn't totally useless. It's hard to suggest specific pokemon because...either way it's probably not going to work very well =( [QUOTE]

What makes you say Baton Pass won't work well?

Jake♫ November 24th, 2009 5:44 PM

Baton Pass is one of the less viable strategies, mainly because it is so easy to counter. Any PHazer can do wonders (Unless you use Ingrain, but meh), plus Haze will work regardless (Since most BP teams are more focused on actually boosting and passing, Taunt isn't all that common in the first place). Plus, a single critical hit can ruin the entire process, plus it is just Toxic Spikes weak.

SmashBrony November 24th, 2009 6:40 PM

Would this set work?
& can someone complete it?
Celebi @ Leftovers/ Life Orb
Nature: Modest/ Timid
EVs:
~Heal Bell
~Leech Seed/ Recover
~Leaf Storm/ Grass Knot
~Psychic

Prince_of_Light November 24th, 2009 9:44 PM

If Wake-Up Slap is used in conjunction with Technician while the opponent is asleep, does the doubled base power still get an additional boost of 50% because of Technician?

This would make the final base power 180.

Operator3 November 25th, 2009 12:46 AM

Help an older player out.
 
I grew up on R/B/Y and G/S/C.

When Ruby and Sapphire came out, I was really dissapointed and never really put my heart into a Pokémon game after that.

Now Heart Gold is coming out, that's going to change. I want to make an amazing team and battle online.

Of course, my hopes and dreams where quickly shattered when my friend asked me "Do you know what EV training is?" and told me "You don't stand a chance if you don't."

I understand the basics to it now but could someone help me out?

What's the best way to start making your dream team? After you've finished the game?

What's the best way to learn new stratagies? Should I watch other battles or just through trial and error?

I would really appreciate it if someone could help me out. 8D

FreakyLocz14 November 25th, 2009 1:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Operator3 (Post 5349080)
I grew up on R/B/Y and G/S/C.

When Ruby and Sapphire came out, I was really dissapointed and never really put my heart into a Pokémon game after that.

Now Heart Gold is coming out, that's going to change. I want to make an amazing team and battle online.

Of course, my hopes and dreams where quickly shattered when my friend asked me "Do you know what EV training is?" and told me "You don't stand a chance if you don't."

I understand the basics to it now but could someone help me out?

What's the best way to start making your dream team? After you've finished the game?

What's the best way to learn new stratagies? Should I watch other battles or just through trial and error?

I would really appreciate it if someone could help me out. 8D

Get in touch with me I'll tell you everything.

Peeky Chew November 25th, 2009 7:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aurafire (Post 5348344)
Pure Baton Pass isn't a very good idea for any tier, unless you're just doing it for fun of course. But uh...I'd just look through everything that can learn Baton Pass in NU and try to throw something together that isn't totally useless. It's hard to suggest specific pokemon because...either way it's probably not going to work very well =(

Baton pass is good on Pokemon like Umbreon which can pass Wish over, but of course that is UU...

Aurafire November 25th, 2009 8:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stoney Kong (Post 5348527)
Would this set work?
& can someone complete it?
Celebi @ Leftovers/ Life Orb
Nature: Modest/ Timid
EVs:
~Heal Bell
~Leech Seed/ Recover
~Leaf Storm/ Grass Knot
~Psychic

Seems like you're trying to do too much with only 4 moveslots. Leech Seed and Heal bell work best with a defensive EV spread, aka 252 HP / 220 Def / 36 Speed, which is standard for Celebi. But, if you want to run a more offensive set, the EVs you have now are fine, just replace Heal Bell for another attack like Earth Power or HP Fire and put Recover > Leech Seed. Timid nature btw, and Life Orb is preferred for offensive sets.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prince_of_Light (Post 5348952)
If Wake-Up Slap is used in conjunction with Technician while the opponent is asleep, does the doubled base power still get an additional boost of 50% because of Technician?

This would make the final base power 180.

Since Technician takes effect first, Wake-Up Slap would have a base power of 90 if used normally, and would double if used on a sleeping foe. So yes, I believe you are correct.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peeky Chew (Post 5349486)
Baton pass is good on Pokemon like Umbreon which can pass Wish over, but of course that is UU...

We're not talking about Baton Pass in general. We're talking about pure Baton Pass team, which tend not to work too well.

Red_Star_Chris November 25th, 2009 8:47 AM

Hey everyone. Is this a good moveset for my Tangrowth I'm getting in the future? This Tangrowth is for my Sunny Day team

Nature: Naive
EV's: 200 Atk/96 Sp. Atk/214 Spe
Ability: Chlorophyll
Held Item: Expert Belt/Life Orb
Power Whip
Earthquake
Ancientpower
Hidden Power Fire/Sleep Powder

This one could really be a major threat to many team since Sunny Day is active. It's Speed doubles itself to break the 400 Speed limit. Imagine, a giant bush of vine going 400mph.

The Power Whip is it's main move. It's slaps the Pokemon rally hard in the face, even the Water, Rock and Ground types faint from it!

Earthquake tears open the ground for Fire and Electric types. And scraps Heatran into old iron if it has a chance.

Now you all might be wondering if AncientPower is U.S.E.L.E Double S. USELESS! Well, it's not actully. It's for Flying type like Charizard, Salamence, and even Gyarados. I've seen so many of these Pokemon now it's not even funny.

Now I'm not sure if I can put Hidden Power Fire on my Tangrowth...It's nearly impossible to get the right type and base power on the correct Tangrowth. Sigh...I wish there is someone that has a Hidden Power Fire on there Tangrowth. Therefore it'll be more brutal when Sunny Day is up.

Sleep Powder, is really reliable. It puts the Pokemon to sleepy time to make the opponent more annoyed. Plus, Chlorophyll makes Tangrowth super quick and puts Garchomp to sleep...if it's not Choice Scarfed, that is.

Well, that's my own Tangrowth moveset. What do you think? Any improvements? Perfect? Not so great? Please reply. Don't make me a lone wolf.

Fire Wolf November 25th, 2009 8:56 AM

Hmm, that set is impressive, just change the EV's to 200 Atk / 80 SpA / 228 Spe and give it a Life Orb.

Red_Star_Chris November 25th, 2009 9:05 AM

Okay, thank you. I'll try that.

FreakyLocz14 November 25th, 2009 12:07 PM

Can anyone reccomend a good lead that can set up Rocks and BP Agility.

Or maybe two Pokemon, one that can Taunt or Rapid Spin and set up Rocks and the other to BP Agility as long as they compliment eachother nicely.

Peeky Chew November 25th, 2009 1:13 PM

This is the start of a more def/sp. def oriented team I'm making. The lead is undecided and I'd like Relicanth to be the only sweeper. So what Pokemon would be good as other members?

http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/0/0e/Spr_4d_197.png
[email protected]
Sassy
252 HP / 200 Atk / 56 SpD
Toxic
Payback
Wish
Baton Pass

http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/2/25/Spr_4d_145.png
[email protected]
Bold
248 HP / 228 Def / 32 Spe
Discharge
Roost
Roar
Heat Wave

http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/f/fa/Spr_4d_369_m.png
[email protected] Scarf
Adament
6 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Head Smash
Waterfall
Earth Quake
Stealth Rock

natedogg November 25th, 2009 1:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FreakyLocz14 (Post 5350002)
Can anyone reccomend a good lead that can set up Rocks and BP Agility.

Or maybe two Pokemon, one that can Taunt or Rapid Spin and set up Rocks and the other to BP Agility as long as they compliment eachother nicely.

Gliscor could do that with rock polish.

Jiggles November 25th, 2009 1:43 PM

Is a rash natured ralts any good for a gardevoir? Just wondering because i chained a shiny one. I know ralts is a sp.attacker with good sp.def and rash is +sp.attack and -sp.def

So idk what to do...trade it to a friend or ev it for myself?

Detox November 25th, 2009 2:20 PM

I got a Modest Giratina-O.. Can someone suggest a possible moveset for it?

Dark Azelf November 25th, 2009 2:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by -Kairyu (Post 5350468)
I got a Modest Giratina-O.. Can someone suggest a possible moveset for it?

http://www.smogon.com/dp/pokemon/giratina-o

SmashBrony November 25th, 2009 3:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aurafire (Post 5349552)
Seems like you're trying to do too much with only 4 moveslots. Leech Seed and Heal bell work best with a defensive EV spread, aka 252 HP / 220 Def / 36 Speed, which is standard for Celebi. But, if you want to run a more offensive set, the EVs you have now are fine, just replace Heal Bell for another attack like Earth Power or HP Fire and put Recover > Leech Seed. Timid nature btw, and Life Orb is preferred for offensive sets.

I wanted a offensive Heal Bell support...
& I did not post any EVs...
Is this any better?:
Celebi @ Life Orb
Nature: Timid
EVs: (Help please)
~Heal Bell
~Recover/ Earth Power/ HP Fire
~Grass Knot/ Leaf Storm
~Psychic/ Recover
Ok, keep in mind that this'll have Wish support from 1 or 2 allies, & I don't know if I'll really need Psychic... 1 of my pokemon is Vaporeon, whom counters Infernape pretty good...
& For Wake-Up Slap...
It's base power is 60, so Technician will boost it to 90, but when used on a sleeping foe, the base power become 120, I belive, so then techinician wouldn't work... still pretty strong, though.

Peeky Chew November 26th, 2009 11:36 AM

http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/5/54/Spr_4d_227.png
(Lead) [email protected]
Impish
252 HP/252 Def/6 SpD
Spikes
Whirlwind
Stealth Rock
Roost

http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/0/0e/Spr_4d_197.png
[email protected]
Sassy
252 HP / 200 Atk / 56 SpD
Toxic
Payback
Wish
Baton Pass
http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/2/25/Spr_4d_145.png
[email protected]
Bold
248 HP / 228 Def / 32 Spe
Discharge
Roost
Roar
Heat Wave
http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/f/fa/Spr_4d_369_m.png
[email protected] Scarf
Adament
6 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Head Smash
Waterfall
Earth Quake
(undecided)


I've added Skarmory as a lead. So I have SR, Spikes, Wish and Toxic support as well as Zapdos' chance of parylasis. I want a curse user that would help with coverage and maybe one more sweeper? Heal Bell would be very usefull and Rapid Spin, but that isn't essential. I don't want more than one more OU btw.

FreakyLocz14 November 27th, 2009 3:19 AM

Need a 4th move for this Gliscor set also need a good nature and EV spread for leading.

Gliscor @ Focus Sash
-Rock Polish
-Baton Pass
-Stealth Rock
-???

Dark Azelf November 27th, 2009 3:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FreakyLocz14 (Post 5354542)
Need a 4th move for this Gliscor set also need a good nature and EV spread for leading.

Gliscor @ Focus Sash
-Rock Polish
-Baton Pass
-Stealth Rock
-???

No that will fail because you are trying to cram too much on it, stick to either Baton Passing OR SR support.

FreakyLocz14 November 27th, 2009 2:30 PM

How about...

Gliscor @ Focus Sash
Jolly nature
6 HP/252 Atk/252 Speed
-Stealth Rock
-Earthquake
-Roost
-Stone Edge

wolf November 27th, 2009 3:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FreakyLocz14 (Post 5355647)
How about...

Gliscor @ Focus Sash
Jolly nature
6 HP/252 Atk/252 Speed
-Stealth Rock
-Earthquake
-Roost
-Stone Edge

Gliscor @ Leftovers
Ability: Sand Veil
EVs: 192 HP / 96 Atk / 220 Speed
Jolly Nature (+ Speed / - SpA)
- Earthquake
- Roost
- Stealth Rock
- Taunt / U-turn

This is much better, the EV spread allows you to always 2HKO max HP / 12 Def Metagross with Earthquake, while outspeeding Jolly Lucario and enemy Gliscor (so they don't Taunt you first), and the rest is put into HP for bulk. If you are planning to use Gliscor offensively, I suggest not putting Stealth Rock on its moveset for better coverage. And using something like Swords Dance / Earthquake / Roost / Stone Edge with the EV spread of 252 HP / 40 Atk / 216 Speed (you can use move more EVs from HP to Attack if you want to) and change Gliscor's Ability to Hyper Cutter so Gyarados, Salamence, etc doesn't cut your Attack. Also, Focus Sash is not really good on something as bulky as Gliscor; you want to take advantage of its survivability by using Leftovers.

FreakyLocz14 November 27th, 2009 3:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wolf. (Post 5355749)
Gliscor @ Leftovers
Ability: Sand Veil
EVs: 192 HP / 96 Atk / 220 Speed
Jolly Nature (+ Speed / - SpA)
- Earthquake
- Roost
- Stealth Rock
- Taunt / U-turn

This is much better, the EV spread allows you to always 2HKO max HP / 12 Def Metagross with Earthquake, while outspeeding Jolly Lucario and enemy Gliscor (so they don't Taunt you first), and the rest is put into HP for bulk. If you are planning to use Gliscor offensively, I suggest not putting Stealth Rock on its moveset for better coverage. And using something like Swords Dance / Earthquake / Roost / Stone Edge with the EV spread of 252 HP / 40 Atk / 216 Speed (you can use move more EVs from HP to Attack if you want to) and change Gliscor's Ability to Hyper Cutter so Gyarados, Salamence, etc doesn't cut your Attack. Also, Focus Sash is not really good on something as bulky as Gliscor; you want to take advantage of its survivability by using Leftovers.

I'll use that and EV spread set just torn between Taunt and U-Turn I'll test both.
I'm keeping SR and my Focus Sash because this is a lead.

Anti November 27th, 2009 3:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FreakyLocz14 (Post 5355820)
I'll use that and EV spread set just torn between Taunt and U-Turn I'll test both.
I'm keeping SR and my Focus Sash because this is a lead.

Focus Sash doesn't help it against anything so you might as well use Leftovers. Swampert is the only thing and you should just switch out of that.

FreakyLocz14 November 27th, 2009 3:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anti (Post 5355827)
Focus Sash doesn't help it against anything so you might as well use Leftovers. Swampert is the only thing and you should just switch out of that.

What about Starmie's Ice Beam? And other fast Ice Beamers? I need to set up Rocks so when Sash activates I can get rocks in.

Peeky Chew November 27th, 2009 3:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FreakyLocz14 (Post 5355820)
I'll use that and EV spread set just torn between Taunt and U-Turn I'll test both.
I'm keeping SR and my Focus Sash because this is a lead.

What's the point of having a focus sash? Anything that could do that much damage could just do it again anytime. Meaning surviving for a roost would be pointless.
Edit: And what exactly would you do to that Starmie or fast Ice beamer once you had survived, only to then switch back in on SR/Spikes/Toxic Spikes/A priority move?
And I've now lost all hope of anyone ever replying to my post...

FreakyLocz14 November 27th, 2009 3:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peeky Chew (Post 5355839)
What's the point of having a focus sash? Anything that could do that much damage could just do it again anytime. Meaning surviving for a roost would be pointless.
Edit: And what exactly would you do to that Starmie or fast Ice beamer once you had survived, only to then switch back in on SR/Spikes/Toxic Spikes/A priority move?
And I've now lost all hope of anyone ever replying to my post...

Um, I'll set up Rocks on the turn Focus Sash activates the switch to my own Starmie for the Rapid Spin.

wolf November 27th, 2009 4:01 PM

You should be using Azelf for a suicide lead role who does it much better with higher Speed (and it can use Explosion). Gliscor is more of a defensive lead that returns later in the battle to check other Pokémon like Lucario.

Anti November 27th, 2009 4:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FreakyLocz14 (Post 5355835)
What about Starmie's Ice Beam? And other fast Ice Beamers? I need to set up Rocks so when Sash activates I can get rocks in.

If all you care about is a fast Stealth Rock then you should be using Aerodactyl anyway. The point of using Gliscor is to get up SR on most leads while having a good bulky Pokemon to use throughout the game. Focus Sash completely goes against that. You shouldn't leave it in on Starmie (which BTW is super uncommon). Just bring it in later. If Stealth Rock is all that matters to you, use Aerodactyl.

Detox November 27th, 2009 4:36 PM

How would I go by getting Selfdestruct on a baby Munch/Snorlax?

wolf November 27th, 2009 4:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by -Kairyu (Post 5355942)
How would I go by getting Selfdestruct on a baby Munch/Snorlax?

If I recall, you can teach it Selfdestruct from a tutor in XD.

SmashBrony November 27th, 2009 4:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stoney Kong (Post 5350758)
I wanted a offensive Heal Bell support...
& I did not post any EVs...
Is this any better?:
Celebi @ Life Orb
Nature: Timid
EVs: (Help please)
~Heal Bell
~Recover/ Earth Power/ HP Fire
~Grass Knot/ Leaf Storm
~Psychic/ Recover
Ok, keep in mind that this'll have Wish support from 1 or 2 allies, & I don't know if I'll really need Psychic... 1 of my pokemon is Vaporeon, whom counters Infernape pretty good...

I don't mean to be rude, but I'm still needing some help here...

Detox November 27th, 2009 4:52 PM

Ugh...and I just happen to not own a Gamecube.

Well how do I get Curse/Fire Punch on it?

SmashBrony November 27th, 2009 5:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by -Kairyu (Post 5355976)
Ugh...and I just happen to not own a Gamecube.

Well how do I get Curse/Fire Punch on it?

Hmm...
If I recall correctly, they are move tutor moves on D/P/Pt at the Battle Tower... hope ya got Battle Points!

Painter November 27th, 2009 5:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by -Kairyu (Post 5355976)
Ugh...and I just happen to not own a Gamecube.

Well how do I get Curse/Fire Punch on it?

curse is an egg move and fire punch is an emerald/platinum move tutor move

Jiggles November 27th, 2009 5:10 PM

Is a rash natured ralts any good for a gardevoir? Just wondering because i chained a shiny one. I know ralts is a sp.attacker with good sp.def and rash is +sp.attack and -sp.def

So idk what to do...trade it to a friend or ev it for myself?

Aurafire November 27th, 2009 5:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jiggles (Post 5356041)
Is a rash natured ralts any good for a gardevoir? Just wondering because i chained a shiny one. I know ralts is a sp.attacker with good sp.def and rash is +sp.attack and -sp.def

So idk what to do...trade it to a friend or ev it for myself?

Don't EV it...Rash isn't a very good nature for Gardevoir. Modest, Calm or Timid are probably your best bets.

SmashBrony November 27th, 2009 5:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Painter (Post 5356020)
curse is an egg move and fire punch is an emerald/platinum move tutor move

Ah, phooey, I didn't recall correctly...
Sorry dude!

Peeky Chew November 28th, 2009 2:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peeky Chew (Post 5352424)
http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/5/54/Spr_4d_227.png
(Lead) [email protected]
Impish
252 HP/252 Def/6 SpD
Spikes
Whirlwind
Stealth Rock
Roost

http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/0/0e/Spr_4d_197.png
[email protected]
Sassy
252 HP / 200 Atk / 56 SpD
Toxic
Payback
Wish
Baton Pass
http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/2/25/Spr_4d_145.png
[email protected]
Bold
248 HP / 228 Def / 32 Spe
Discharge
Roost
Roar
Heat Wave
http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/f/fa/Spr_4d_369_m.png
[email protected] Scarf
Adament
6 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Head Smash
Waterfall
Earth Quake
(undecided)


I've added Skarmory as a lead. So I have SR, Spikes, Wish and Toxic support as well as Zapdos' chance of parylasis. I want a curse user that would help with coverage and maybe one more sweeper? Heal Bell would be very usefull and Rapid Spin, but that isn't essential. I don't want more than one more OU btw.

I still need help with this one that everyone completely ignored :(


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