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Enigma Crystal & Rock Capsule - Discussion
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Two new items to discuss, nobody really knows any concrete information about them, and everybody is waiting on that information. So, for those of you who don't know, these are the items speculation is all about: Enigma Crystal: Spoiler:
Rock/Lock Capsule: Spoiler:
They were wrapped in spoilers for people who don't want to ruin any surprises lolol. So basically, this is just a speculation thread, and discussion, when more info is found it will be updated. ;) What do you think they are for? Which theory seems most appropriate? Current Theories: Spoiler:
Update: I have recently obtained both items but I am going to need help figuring out what to do with them. Stephen is nowhere to be found. And no idea with the Lock Capsule. XD |
Well. Enigma Crystal will make Latios or Latias roam around. Fer shur.
Rock Capsule sounds like a Rotom thing. o-o;; |
The Rock Capsule feels like it would unlock something in the future games. Think like a new Pokemon. Maybe if connected to HGSS, it would unlock something important.
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another person said it could be for carrying portable versions of the meteorites, to transform deoxys with. who knows really. |
I think the Rock Capsule might have something to do with the Regis maybe? Or else I have to agree with previous speculation of Deoxys.
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I doubt that they will include the Regis again so maybe it holds an item to unlock a new area????
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Deoxys already has an area to swap formes, I'm afraid, so that can't be it. As for holding the weather rocks, I highly doubt it. If we didn't need a special item to hold them in DPPt, then why would we need them in HGSS?
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or maybe it's for collecting pieces of rock ;) that eventually are constructed into some weird object that summons a legendary pokemon or something? |
Its funny the games have been out long enough for us to find out what it is. I think, purely on speculation that it is probably something for future games (maybe a spin-off game, or a new wii based game). But this is just theory.
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It is likely that they involve future Wi-Fi events..........
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Rock Capsule.
Perhaps it's an item needed to be owned by the player, whilst bring Eevee to either a firest or snowy area(Mt. Silver Top) to evolve into Leafeon and Glaceon respectively(for those who didn't/don't have D/P/Pt). Although that seems way too farfetched too me. Perhaps it has something to do with Regigigas? |
Having the Regis included doesn't seem likely even for the Rock Capsule. DPPt has already gotten them covered, and Platinum assured those who got the game would have every possible chance at catching the three and thus unlocking Regigigas at the end. So, I would think this out as if the Regis were to be included, then something what have been known about them up to now.
As for what it my do, there are many possibilities. However, it could be an item coded into the game, but not obtainable at all. This has occurred before and it is still possible. Seeing as no one may have it as yet and knowing nothing has been known as yet, then for me it serves no purpose at the moment. However, if I were to go with one of the theories already said before, then possibly a future Wi-Fi or similar related event could revolve around it. |
To me it seems like these games are to be paired with Platinum, so that people without GBA games could recieve every Pokemon not yet available by a common event (ie. the Legendary Birds, who havn't had a common event and are unatainable through Pal Park if the player doesn't own a DS, DSLite, or any GBA Pokemon Game.)
This statement leads me to believe that the Rock Capsule will help someone obtain a legendary or Pokemon that isn't available already through HGSS, DPPt, or common events. Are there any rare Pokemon like that? I'm not sure but maybe Jirachi or Mew or Celebi could be linked to this. |
Mew, Celebi, and Jirachi have events that all seem irrelevant to an item with the name rock capsule. None of them are even closely related to a rock, unless you count Mew transforming into Geodude.
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The item could be interpreted as "Rock Capsule" or "Lock Capsule".
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Exactly. Either rock or lock. I personally think its lock but whatever. It seems to be obtainalbe and tradable over WiFi so for me it seems to have a purpose for the future.
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Maybe it's just one of those useless items that you can sell in the games
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How the hell do you figure that Tatsujin. Its available through Wifi and tradeable with Wifi. We just have no idea how and what it does.
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maybe it just strenghens rock type moves!!! XD.
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then it must be having a secret item in it! |
Seeing as how both are Key Items, they must have noticeable importance in the game.
Did the items get discovered by hacking or using codes? If that is the case, then they are probably items which they decided to scrap later on, just like the Red Chain and Magma Rock in D/P/Pt. If it has been found in the games fair and square, then the ideas are different. For the Enigma Crystal, it has already been thought of that this is supposed to turn into Soul Dew and somehow help in the Latias/Latios sidequest. As for the Rock Capsule, I see nothing like a rock in the sprite, so it might be a Lock Capsule too, who knows? Maybe it really will unlock some area? Maybe even a new Pokemon? Maybe it's supposed to do something in the future games? Maybe there is an in-game event that requires this? |
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That's all I can think of. |
after what feelings said, even i feel they could be scrapped items. maybe getting it using a cheat.
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nobody would really have any idea about the lock capsule one so there'd be no point trying to figure that one out... |
All the secret is in the word "capsule".
My opinion is that it will unlock something never seen before. Ask yourself: Why it has to be a capsule and not an apple? |
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But back on topic, it IS all in the word capsule. |
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here are all the odd items i found: 1. Loot Sack (used to carry loot obtained in coal mine) perhaps its soot sack. 2. Old Charm (the one from D/p/pt) 3. red chain " " 4. magma stone 5. Parcel!!!! (d/p/pt) 6. coupon 1,2,3 7. unown note But there's no items mentioned in the first post.... |
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checking items, none. theres a soul dew already...
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I'd still like to see the lock capsule being fiddle with :3 (as you may have noticed I've started calling it that now) |
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The soul dew is just to be taken to Pewter to get the second [email protected] Its the Enigma Crystal I believe.
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And Mitchman makes a good point, would the Soul Dew by itself activate the other Lati, or would it specifically have to be the Enigma Crystal? |
You would need to get the Enigma Crystal bring it to Pewter and get the event activated. If anything the only thing unknown is the lock/rock capsule not the Enigma Crystal.
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I mean, how exactly would one find the Enigma Crystal? |
Downloadable through WiFi makes the most sense right now.
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My theory is that the Rock Capsule contains rocks from evolution places in Sinnoh. (=Moss, Icy and Coronet rocks?)
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no idea what to do about it....... will have to wait for some more clarification.
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They are very important, the Enigma rock summons either Latias, or Latios. The other one will be important when we know what it is for,
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Other than that, I wouldn't be surprised if it was just some scrapped idea as someone else mentioned. |
rndm makes the most sense of it, but I checked the unobtainable Pokemon in HGSS on Serebii, and sure enough, all the Pokemon that evolve in those places are listed. That, unfortunately, disproves that theory.
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I just came up with 2 new ideas:(2nd one is a bit lame)
1.It unlocks a special stage in the pokewalker 2.The rock has an amazing power and it has to be in a capsule for not to be unleashed.That power could be something related to the orb that deoxys have or something like that. |
You know, the Rock Capsule could just suffer the same fate as the Red Chain and Magma Rock like in DPPt. It could just be an item mentioned, but not obtained.
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This seems unlikely, but it could be something to do with that machop building the house in Vermilion City.
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JP's vessel theory sounds good. When linked to DPPt, the Capsule would arrive automatically. ...But that's highly unlikely. As stated by SilverSmeargleSplatter, Serebii lists Magnezone, Probopass, Leafeon and Glaceon unobtainable. But what if they haven't tried hacking the Rock Capsule in and somehow interracting it with the four pokemon above? Well, if it worked, a line of text relating to it would probably have been found from the game's data. Oh btw, I haven't seen Rock Capsule's in-game description on this thread. It's supposed to be this: "A tough capsule that must be opened with a special key." From Serebii's HG&SS Discovery thread. Coronis took that from the game's script. |
Very early on it was brought up that mew, celebi, and jirachi are not connected to a rock, this is false. Anime Canon leads me to believe that Jirachi was from the 'Millennium Comet' and needed to be returned to a cave in a region that was previously believed to be hoenn until it was made clear that there was no jirachi event/location in r/s. Perhaps the region was johto/kanto? although, it could be completely non-game-canon, i.e the town in 'the rise of darkrai'
If it's a lock capsule, perhaps it's a non-sinnoh way to get rotom? |
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Nope silph co. elevator activates Rotom. |
There is so much anime canon featured in HG/SS. That was a silly thing to say.
..and, though Silph.CO elevator leads to the new forme change room, it does not lead to a Rotom, does it? I was saying that it may be like a part for the power plant that leads to a room where a Rotom is kept, I may remind you, Rotom is not legendary, rare, not legendary. |
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I love it how, when put in the right order, quotes just answer themselves :3 There's still no word on serebii. |
Probably some weird Robot part that goes on a futur pokemon that will be in the next saga..
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Strange that its so hard to figure out. I thought it was related to Latios & Latias. Maybe it could be the whole evoulutionary rock theory or something we havent even though of yet.
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Enigma Crystal for Soul Dew i'd wager.
Now, the Rock Capsule, maybe some sort of new Rock type legendary? Or a new Deoxys forme? |
hmm... the lock capsule looks like something that silph. co would make, which means it probably has a useful or needed purpose, like the silph scope. in the last three years surely they must have invented something new?
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Yes, but i don't think they'd invent something that nobody knows how to work, would they? XD
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Well, whatever it is, it will probably revealed next summer in the movie. Or maybe they'll reveal something else.
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well it looks like something to do with silph. co... maybe if you go to them with it?
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Them inventing all the technologically enhanced items and stuff... If only someone could test this... :3 |
Why are people even bothering to suggest that they unlock new Pokemon, this is a remake and work on Gen. 5 hasn't openly begun yet; there are no new Pokemon to be had!
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I just wish we had some way of testing all of these theories... :( On the "Special Key" bit though, if it really does require a key like that, similar to Rotom's forme change room unlockage in Platinum no doubt, then wouldn't they have to have 2 events? That would make it silly, so, maybe you get the key ingame from Silph Co. once they see that you have the Lock Capsule? |
^ No, there's no key-like key items (lol) in the game, excluding the Underground Key of course. Which leads me to believe that a NPC opens the Capsule for you.
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Doubt anyone would open it for you in HGSS as no text for that has appeared. So its really truly a mystery.
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Rock capsule might be a key item to evolve Pokemons you could once only evolve in locations in Sinnoh. Aka Mt. Coronet, Moss rock, etc.
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The Rock Capsule is what intrigues me the most in all of this. I mean it could possibly be for a future event to be held unlocking something within the game. Except the question that receeds is, what? Other than this, I would go with the evolutionary theory. Currently it is unknown on where one can evolve their Pokémon such as Nosepass with trading back to DPPt and the Rock Capsule sounds as though it can fulfill that exact purpose.
Again, it is left a mystery until farther looked into. Though, it can very well be an unincluded item within the game like what has before done before in previous games. This possibility hasn't left my thoughts as yet either. |
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A new forme also sounds like a good theory. But for what pokemon? There aren't many options imo.
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You know what i think? Its just an item that will never be used and is not supposed to be in the game! Take r/s/e they had that unused legendery dog remix music? Maybe they put it in the game but decided not to and forgot to remove it compleatley? Also, serebii says its rock capsule, but im not going to put too much trust in a fan site... no matter how good it is!
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It should have a purpose. Its not like its gotten in game from anyone. Its from a WiFi event. Its not possible they would program a WiFi event not to use it. The game has only what, 5 Pokewalker courses and that's it.
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A thought just hit me, and it may sound off, but it is just something I added up while reading through the past few pages. Seeing as this item may not be found within in-game play, but more so Wi-Fi handed event, then what if it had possible connections with Celebi and the later story of Giovanni. It is a Rock Capsule, kind of similar in a way to a Time Capsule which Celebi controls [time]. So, if this item was given out as a Wi-Fi event to unlock Celebi for capture and later add in depth to Giovanni's return, then I think it could possibly work out well. Again, this is simply an idea that came to mind and is highly unlikely [but we'll see].
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Like, it being a 'lock' capsule it might contain something that awakens celebi that you must put into the shrine or something? |
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Probably holds like a fossil fiber or something (like contains a Pokémon only found in fossils; Cranidos, Sheildon, Kabuto, Omanyte, Anorith, Lileep, and Aerodactyl ▬ you could pick anyone of these to be the fossil fiber and revive into that Pokémon?). Or possibly a really rare item that you can only get via that Lock capsule...
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The Celebi used by Serebii Joe was a hacked one made to have come from a movie ie:classic ribbon. As I have stated there is no text for the item in the game how to be unlocked so its most likely to be used in a future game some how. Wind you can get fossils from rock smashing all over the place. I have tons of fossils tell you the truth.
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Now i understand 90% of the whole scene.
Have you heard about the next pokemon game for wii? Have you thought that the key to unlock the capsule may be found in this that game? In other words you have to combine 2 items from 2 different games. But it still remains a secret what is it purpose. |
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Im guessing its used for some sort of connection with the new PMD or a totally new game being developed.
Who knows, im just glad with all the hacking done, there is still mystery left on these games. |
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I have recently obtained the ingame items Enigma Crystal and Lock Capsule. But I don't know what to do with them. I am going to try going to Silph Co. and to try and find steven stone... yeah. XD UPDATE: steven stone is in the museum now... but i don't know what to do as he won't say anything that's important? I'm going to try taking my lati with me... UPDATE: Oh and he's also at silph co. and he wants me to show him a pokemon... UPDATE: And it doesn't seem like he wants my latios at the silph co so i'm gooing to try my hoenn starter... UPDATE: ok i'm stumped with the silph co part atm so i'm going to try pewter museum. UPDATE: So he's only at silph co now so i don't know what to do from there... i'll try elm. |
Homagawd! Im excited! XD It might just turn out to be nothing.
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Tried Oak... nothing... trying Elm now...
I WISH I COULD READ JAP! XD Argh, nothing. I'm totally stumped. I'm going to try showing stephen my hoenn legendary that i caught... actually, i'll go get rayquaza, then take both groudon and that. UPDATE: Hoenn legendary didn't do it... Okay, I'm totally stumped. XD would someone please download this pokesav and help out? please? (just for mod's sake, i'm not trying to advertise it) XD Agh, I"m so retarded... that was just his beldum trade but after that i'm going to do more research. UPDATE: I'm going to try making mystery gift cards... see if that triggers anything... although... i dont actually know how to do that... |
On bulbapedia, it says that a new pokemon wii game is being developed, and i cant help but think that these items might have something to do with it. but, who knows :S
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As for the new Wii Game said to come out, then yes, it could possibly have something to do with the Rock Capsule or even the Enigma Rock. We'll have to just wait and see as further information comes out. |
hello im new to this but what if it changes regigigas for a new form like the gracedia that trans morphs shaymin???????
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3 theores
1) Something to do with tracks of light 2)Involves the evolution of magnaton into magnazone/Nosepas to Propobass 3) Something in RSE RM or 5th Gen |
Please do not revive threads over a month old. We actually have an active discussion on the Rock Capsule going on over here that you may be interested in. :) It's always best you check the date of the last post made before replying to older threads.
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