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twocows September 26th, 2009 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by 22sa (Post 5159969)
I wonder if it's really a sad situation considering those girls probably already participate in such activities in their private lives and porn star men are probably just as hot or hotter their average experiences.

I didn't just say that.

I think you'd be surprised. I'm pretty sure that, given the choice, many porn stars would much prefer to have a different job, but simply can't find one.

Anyway, while I can understand why some (misguided) people would seek to ban hentai, I don't understand why any would move to ban hentai and NOT ban real pornography.

Zet September 27th, 2009 4:24 AM

hentai causes rape and violence towards women? How is that possible they make their breasts the size of torpedoes that defy gravity. Though let's not forget that real life porn has it's own "rape" genre... really makes me wonder what's causing rape... maybe it's eating too many oranges!

If the UN wants to stop rape and violence towards women, they just need to castrate every living male and problem solved.

Vanilla Kitsune September 27th, 2009 7:03 AM

Hentai has never been an interest to me. Porn, 2D characters, whatever, are a big turn off. I don't think banning hentai will do anything. We'll have the raging otakus and what not complaining about it. Anyone who actually watches the stuff will be in an uproar. Just like taking away pornography, it'll never happen. People enjoy the stuff too much. Its good they are taking a positive stand in this. Although Japan is a fairly safe and peaceful country, other countries aren't. It is good to promote woman's rights and try to sustain all the abuse.

Still, banning hentai won't do anything but get complaints from those who enjoy it, as well as the industry that sponsors/creates it.

Akio123 September 27th, 2009 6:35 PM

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Originally Posted by twocows (Post 5149868)
First off:
Secondly, news flash: those people are PREDISPOSED to being more violent. Correlation is NOT causation. Someone who bats someone's head in is likely to also enjoy things where they can virtually beat people's heads in. This DOESN'T mean that anyone that plays a game where you can bash someone's head in is going to go out and do it, and it certainly doesn't mean that violent games cause violent behavior. However, if we took away a means for those people to vent their violent tendencies, their real life behavior very well might change to reflect their violent natures. The same rules apply to pornography as to violent video games; there is no proven link, and even if there was, it would probably not be causal.


A. Look at any Social Psychology textbook. ANY psychology textbook and you will find that.
B. Did I say Correlation=Causation? Please don't misinterpret what people say. Human are naturally violent, but certain stimuli act as catalysts to activate said violent behavior.

Shion September 27th, 2009 6:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Akio123 (Post 5164377)
Did I say Correlation=Causation?

You implied so earlier (highlighted in bold):

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Originally Posted by Akio123 (Post 5164377)
Honestly, why does anyone care? It's hentai...in any case if they are trying to ban violent pornography then what's wrong with that? Psychologically and statistically speaking men who watch violent rape pornography and more likely to beat and or rape women so what is wrong with taking away a factor that can increase such a negative act?

Show us proof that there is any correlation in the first place. CITATION NEEDED.

Even if there is any correlation, just because it can (very unlikely) increase a negative act does not mean it should be banned. It is an irrational breach of human rights. Are you fine with all violent entertainment being banned just because it has a minuscule chance of making people aggressive?

kohei September 27th, 2009 7:07 PM

Equality Now lost meaning to me ever since they gave Illusion a bad name and tried banning an old game that wasn't even meant for the foreign market :/

speedinglight September 27th, 2009 9:55 PM

http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb278/makesomenoise865/MUGEN/iori2.gif

Sorry for doing that...

But anyways, are these people delusional?

If they wanted to ban games that promote violence against girls then they might as well ban fighting games and/or RPG's while they're at it -_-;

twocows September 28th, 2009 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Akio123 (Post 5164377)
A. Look at any Social Psychology textbook. ANY psychology textbook and you will find that.
B. Did I say Correlation=Causation? Please don't misinterpret what people say. Human are naturally violent, but certain stimuli act as catalysts to activate said violent behavior.

Shion pretty much covered what I was going to say, but I'll make one addendum. NAME ONE. I said cite your sources, not say that there are sources. I've looked at a number of psychological texts (seeing as how I took a few psychology and sociology courses in high school and my freshman year of college). I haven't seen anything that shows a relationship between violent entertainment and violent behavior, much less a causal link.

On the other hand, I have numerous sources I can name. Before you argue that these sources are mostly about video games, the argument is roughly the same: violent media inspires violence (not to mention a lot of hentai presents in the form of a video game). Games are generally considered to be more immersive than other mediums, so the link should be stronger for video games, right?

Vastag, B. “Does Video Game Violence Sow Aggression?” Journal of the American Medical Association. 2004.
Summary: "If video games do increase violent tendencies outside the laboratory, the explosion of gaming over the past decade from $3.2 billion in sales in 1995 to $7 billion in 2003, according to industry figures would suggest a parallel trend in youth violence. Instead, youth violence has been decreasing."

Baldaro, B., et al. “Aggressive and Non-Violent Videogames: Short-Term Psychological and Cardiovascular Effects on Habitual Players.” Stress and Health, Vol. 20, pp. 203-208. 2004.
Summary: study showed no correlation between playing violent games and hostile tendencies.

Bensley, L. & Van Eeenwyk, J. “Video Games and Real-Life Aggression: Review of the Literature.” Olympia, WA: Washington State Department of Health. 2002.
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(...)after controlling for psychosocial factors, association between aggression and playing video games was not statistically significant.
Self-explanatory.

Williams, D. & Skoric, M. “Internet Fantasy Violence: A Test of Aggression in an Online Games.” 2005.
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Research on violent video games suggests that play leads to aggressive behavior. A longitudinal study of an online violent video game with a control group tested for changes in aggressive cognitions and behaviors. The findings did not support the assertion that a violent game will cause substantial increases in real-world aggression.” The results determined that, “...game play controlling for gender, age, and time one aggression scores - was not a significant predictor of aggressive cognitions. Compared to the control group, participants after the experiment were not statistically different in their normative beliefs on aggression than they were before playing the game.
In other words, despite numerous claims to the contrary, there is no correlation between violent media and aggression. SURPRISE! But why is there no link? To answer that, let me give you a few more texts.

Sternheimer, K. “Do Video Games Kill?” Contexts, Vol. 6, Issue 1, pp. 13-17, Winter, 2007.
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“It is equally likely that more aggressive people seek out violent entertainment. Aggression includes a broad range of emotions and behaviors, and is not always synonymous with violence. Measures of aggression in media-effects research have varied widely, from observing play between children and inanimate objects to counting the number of speeding tickets a person received. Psychologist Jonathan Freedman reviewed every media-violence study published in English and concluded that “the majority of studies produced evidence that is inconsistent or even contradicts” the claim that exposure to media violence causes real violence.” (Page 15)
Violent people seek out violent entertainment. It's not the entertainment that makes them violent; they're already violent.

Tremblay, R. “Physical Aggression During Early Childhood: Trajectories and Predictors.” Pediatrics. 2004.
Summary: "Most children have initiated the use of physical aggression during infancy, and most will learn to use alternatives in the following years before they enter primary school. Humans seem to learn to regulate the use of physical aggression during the preschool years. Those who do not appear to be at highest risk of serious violent behavior during adolescence and adulthood."
Most people have some violent tendencies, but learn ways to cope with such urges. Violent media is one way of doing this.

Sternheimer, K. “It’s Not the Media: The Truth About Pop Culture’s Influence on Children.” 2003.
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“violent video games are a lot like dreams where we work out our fears or anxieties without actually ever engaging in them.” (p.114)
Self-explanatory. Replace "violent video games" with "violent sex simulators;" the concept is the same.

Zet September 29th, 2009 1:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Darachu (Post 5161501)
Hentai has never been an interest to me. Porn, 2D characters, whatever, are a big turn off. I don't think banning hentai will do anything. We'll have the raging otakus and what not complaining about it. Anyone who actually watches the stuff will be in an uproar. Just like taking away pornography, it'll never happen. People enjoy the stuff too much. Its good they are taking a positive stand in this. Although Japan is a fairly safe and peaceful country, other countries aren't. It is good to promote woman's rights and try to sustain all the abuse.

Still, banning hentai won't do anything but get complaints from those who enjoy it, as well as the industry that sponsors/creates it.

What about 3D porn? it's like real life except cartoonish

Vanilla Kitsune September 29th, 2009 9:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Shalon Rainsworth (Post 5168181)
What about 3D porn? it's like real life except cartoonish

I'm not sure where you are going with this. If its whether I like 3D porn, then the answer is no. Porn, in my opinion, is a waste of time. Its really the same stuff over and over again unless you have a particular fetish that is uncommon or not widely known. I just don't enjoy porn period. I'm not saying that viewing it or enjoying it makes you a bad or indecent person. If it helps with sexual urges, then its better that way. Of course, this is my opinion. Don't take it literally.

If this is about banning 3D porn, then, it probably won't happen. Porn will never be banned. You'd have to take down all those naughty statues placed around the world. (Like in Italy) ... Bad joke is bad.

twocows September 29th, 2009 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Darachu (Post 5168752)
I'm not sure where you are going with this. If its whether I like 3D porn, then the answer is no. Porn, in my opinion, is a waste of time. Its really the same stuff over and over again unless you have a particular fetish that is uncommon or not widely known. I just don't enjoy porn period. I'm not saying that viewing it or enjoying it makes you a bad or indecent person. If it helps with sexual urges, then its better that way. Of course, this is my opinion. Don't take it literally.

If this is about banning 3D porn, then, it probably won't happen. Porn will never be banned. You'd have to take down all those naughty statues placed around the world. (Like in Italy) ... Bad joke is bad.

I think you underestimate just how powerful governments can become. This sort of thing could easily happen in the 1984 world, and that world isn't exactly a far cry away away from places like North Korea.

Vanilla Kitsune September 29th, 2009 3:18 PM

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Originally Posted by twocows (Post 5169103)
I think you underestimate just how powerful governments can become. This sort of thing could easily happen in the 1984 world, and that world isn't exactly a far cry away away from places like North Korea.

I realize this. Still, people could easily get porn by means of illegal ways and what not. I wasn't trying to underestimate the government. I was merely stating my opinion of the fact that it probably won't happen. That doesn't mean it won't. Porn has always been around though, so I see it unlikely to be banned. And if I recall correctly, North Korea is very open about its pornography preference and laws. Whether it is relevant or not is up to you. I understand where you are coming from though.

http://news.newamericamedia.org/news/view_article.html?article_id=921c8d118eedb04f44a282ad6aecdf3c

ÇyänïdëÉX September 29th, 2009 4:45 PM

I am very surprised by the mature conversation going in this thread and by young people. I am very proud to see this going on. I will give my opinion on this as well. But keep in mind i am very proud of the mature minds we have in this thread, my hats off to you young'ns ^_^

Well my opinion is short, i don't even know why i am giving it. For one you shouldn't get to upset about dumb threats like this. I mean people do it all the time because they wanna be "christian" about it. This world is far from perfect and people should stop trying to change things like porn because it really can't be stopped. If it is stopped though, then people will find other ways around it. Its like taking drugs away from an addict, they will find a way to get them. Its the 21st century for gods sake, don't you think that we should be looking at more serious topics rather than "hentai causes negative effects on society". This is bull, its all dependent on the viewer, If its a person with low self control then of course they will go and do crap like this. But it mostly is of a psychological factor.

Some people are more prone to doing certain things than others, in a sense some people are biologicaly built to be more impulsive than others. Believe me if the person wasn't a rapist it would be either a killer, a thief, or some other type of crime.

In any case you cannot link hentai and rape, it just doesn't mix. Its like trying to pin the tail on the donkey. One thing though that i thought i should say is that before people go saying porn is bad and all that crap they should take a look at themselves. It makes people feel good, and is a stress reliever. Lets face it some people out there need it.

I am pretty sure my rant makes no sense at all, but i just thought i say that, since i am taking currently a class in psychology and therefore i can somewhat make a suggestion that part of it is boilogicaly built. All you really need is a trigger, or rather i should say, some of us have a shorter fuse than others, and not one of us know what will trigger that ignition.

Oh and again i am very surprised by the young surfers of this forum, very mature...it still is a shock to me from the stuff i see daily.

J October 1st, 2009 3:29 PM

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Originally Posted by ÇyänïdëÉX (Post 5170112)
Oh and again i am very surprised by the young surfers of this forum, very mature...it still is a shock to me from the stuff i see daily.

lol.

and yeah, i really don't like how they go around banning stuff left and right, on the pretense of "supporting oppressed individuals" and justifying their actions with that; surely they have bigger fish to fry than to deprive angsty young men of their output for sexual desires?
it's also kinda funny how everything was a-okay in the hentai industry/japanese society relationship before the foreigners decided to jump in (or did i not do enough research?)

well, it's simply not possible to solve discrimination entirely, so i guess the best they can do is to take a shallow approach at it, and make it seem that they're actually making progress.

("they" being whichever organization doing this, and stuff)

Shion October 5th, 2009 5:11 PM

Anyone who dislikes the trend toward bans on hentai should consider joining or at least looking at this website:

http://www.yestofreedom.org/

It contains some professionally prewritten arguments against hentai/lolicon ban that may be copied and used in e-mail.

Sulous June 27th, 2010 11:50 AM

Honestly? My opinion on this is that SOME hentai just shouldn't be made.
"Harmless" pleasures? .. In all honesty, some things just shouldn't be indulged in. Like... Say.. Child hentai? Rape hentai? I mean, honestly people, look what you're saying. You're defending cartoon pornography of all things.
If they ban it, there's really nothing you can do about it except complain and mope. I just really think they should do away with all of those sick little things people call "fetishes".

digi-kun June 27th, 2010 4:01 PM

Um...this is really old...like more than half a year old....

Oh, and the loli ban didn't go through. It flopped horribly.

/closed


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