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Iyo October 17th, 2009 2:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greene1516 (Post 5231094)
Is saying somebody is better than you saying you are crap??? No, it's not, but I expect no less an assumption from you since my only experience with you was to learn that you take things too personally.

And you can't train a team competitively without training EV's, because EV's are what make a Pokemon something and not something else. You can't train a sweeper without trainign EV's because without the concentration on attack and speed he can't sweep well.

And please God, do not tell me what competitive battling is about when you have no clue. The number one motto of competitive battling is that competitive battling in not the same as the in-game story. The Battle Pike is an in-game function. Clearly you have no idea of any of the clauses for competitive battling either, because there are several that prohibit items and moves that are based solely on luck. Because something is one way in-game, never assume that is what competitive battling is about, because Nintendo did not create competitive battling, the players did.

This is going nowhere, so i'm just going to drop it.

Piplup-Trainer October 17th, 2009 2:29 PM

Guys, I hope that you ev train the pokemons, or else the challengers will defeat us.
I°know what I`m talking about. I had a battle against greene in the past (he`s the Heart & Soul Rock Leader) and lost 0-4, because I had bad moves and my pokemon weren`t ev trained.

Lady Gaga October 17th, 2009 2:36 PM

Hey Piplup, you forgot to add my clauses (its on the other page now) to my form! D;

Exactly...this league wont work out unless it is good, unique, and its solid. I think only me, Piplup, and マイケル have the solid gyms. The rest are unoriginal and dont have any proper rules.


Lets make an effort!!!!!!!!!!

PorcelainDoll October 17th, 2009 2:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Piplup-Trainer (Post 5231131)
Guys, I hope that you ev train the pokemons, or else the challengers will defeat us.
I°know what I`m talking about. I had a battle against greene in the past (he`s the Heart & Soul Rock Leader) and lost 0-4, because I had bad moves and my pokemon weren`t ev trained.

I'm not planning on challenging this league, but whoever it is that has the "No Ev'd pokemon" is just being silly. Anyone who knows anything pokemon AND plans to competitively battle WILL EV their pokemon. Its life. Its not about having the upper edge it just makes a battle a battle. From what I've seen if you don't ev your pokes its like laying down in front of a truck and just waiting (albeit a short wait) for it to flatten you.

Iyo October 17th, 2009 2:39 PM

I find the lack of faith and support disturbing... Anyways... I'll try and come up with better rules...

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Originally Posted by PorcelainDoll (Post 5231185)
I'm not planning on challenging this league, but whoever it is that has the "No Ev'd pokemon" is just being silly. Anyone who knows anything pokemon AND plans to competitively battle WILL EV their pokemon. Its life. Its not about having the upper edge it just makes a battle a battle. From what I've seen if you don't ev your pokes its like laying down in front of a truck and just waiting (albeit a short wait) for it to flatten you.

Sounds like me... Suicidally-minded, but not enough to do it...

Piplup-Trainer October 17th, 2009 2:43 PM

Lady Gaga, I`ve added your rules =)

PS : Leading a league for the first time is hard...

The Roshi October 17th, 2009 2:54 PM

Lol yeah. Maybe you should reconsider what gyms are staying and who needs to change or revamp their gyms. And be more picky in the selection. Then again, it is YOUR league and whatever you have in mind for the league is what matters the most. Just a suggestion

@Iyo

If you don't know what EV training is or why it's useful, then you're never going to see Greene's point. His point is well made (and kind of obvious, sorry Iyo) and you should definitely think about what he's saying.

In competitive battling, it's not all about type effectiveness or all-powerful moves like it is in-game, it's about creating a team of pokemon with roles and abilities that complement each other and work towards a common goal or strategy. That's not to say that teams are built with one specific strategy in mind (although some are), rather that teams are built to strategically defend and attack threats and opponents of the team.

I'm no buff at competitive battling. But I have been watching youtube competitive battlers all summer long (and into the fall), played on Shoddy for a month now, and EV trained/ team built since the third generation. I'd like to say I understand the nature of competitive battling and basics of said battling.

If you need any help understanding the true importance of EV's in competitive battling then I'd be more than happy to explain. I really think that if you are to become a battler then you should look into guides on competitive battling and participate in the smogon tutoring. I myself am going to sign up for the next round of tutoring on smogon (I've missed it three times in a row now, but they are re-doing the system to make it easier for people to learn).

Don't be insulted by what he's saying, I think he's trying to help you but
A) He's saying it bluntly
B) You're taking the offensive and not really reading what he's saying
C) You have different values in the game than others

I personally think that the EV idea is novel, which matches the theme of the league, but it's not very plausible. It's not competitive battling without EV's. Anyone can just get some pokemon together and some moves and start battling. The next level is to find out what pokemon successfully uses what moveset and what EV stat spread and using it successfully and "correctly" (In the competitive battling sense of the word)

Sorry you've been upset bro =/

Piplup-Trainer October 17th, 2009 3:02 PM

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Originally Posted by マイケル (Post 5231241)
Lol yeah. Maybe you should reconsider what gyms are staying and who needs to change or revamp their gyms. And be more picky in the selection. Then again, it is YOUR league and whatever you have in mind for the league is what matters the most. Just a suggestion

I guess you mean that I shouldn`t have 5 gym leaders which all train pokemon in a different color (one is training yellow-colored, the other red-colored, the third blue-colored, etc.).

The Roshi October 17th, 2009 3:09 PM

No, I mean that if some gym's aren't very creative then you shouldn't just automatically accept them. Again, it's up to you and your standards. And maybe some of the gyms right now aren't very well thought out and half-assed and the gym leaders need to revamp their rules and conditions on battles to make it more creative and entice more people to battle.

Piplup-Trainer October 17th, 2009 3:14 PM

Okay.
BTW, I`ve updated my Gym with more details and a better design.
Do you like the design? If yes, then I can update yours too.

PokemonLeagueChamp October 17th, 2009 3:30 PM

Let me say something. Most of my experience in battling off PC has been against unEvd pokes. Unless you constantly hit your enemy over and over again without missing with a super effective move, beating them can take a while. I've had several epic un-EV'd battles. And with no OHKO or Sleep, and quick claw allowed, my challengers will see epic battles.

Edit: EVing takes time. New PC members and battlers often can't do it. They won't be alienated in my gym. EVing doesn't in the slightest more or less competitive, it just makes some Pokes go down quicker, some slower.

Piplup-Trainer October 17th, 2009 3:46 PM

EVing takes time, that`s right.
But I`m going to ev train some of my old/new pokemon, so they are more resistent against challengers.

If you don`t ev, then you could also go for a shoddy battle.
You can choose your pokemon, legal moves, legal stats, evs and ivs.
Ta-daaa! You`ve got a team with good pokemon.

But yeah, I`m going to bed now (1:47 AM).
Good night and have a good day =)

Greene1516 October 17th, 2009 3:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pokemonleaguechamp (Post 5231383)
Let me say something. Most of my experience in battling off PC has been against unEvd pokes. Unless you constantly hit your enemy over and over again without missing with a super effective move, beating them can take a while. I've had several epic un-EV'd battles. And with no OHKO or Sleep, and quick claw allowed, my challengers will see epic battles.

Edit: EVing takes time. New PC members and battlers often can't do it. They won't be alienated in my gym. EVing doesn't in the slightest more or less competitive, it just makes some Pokes go down quicker, some slower.

I'd love to know who these trainers are, 'cause I've battled pretty much every battler on this site with the exception of the ladder people. All the ladder people EV train. And out of every battle I've had here, maybe 8% of them didn't EV train. There's nothing epic about 6 monkeys hitting random attack moves and seeing who luckily got more attack EV's when training, or who the RNG favours best. That's the jungle mate, not Pokemon battling.

P.S. I love how so many people are making arguments about what battling is and how important EV's are when they really haven't a clue.

The Roshi October 17th, 2009 4:08 PM

Dude you're just all up on these people lmfao. Leave 'em be if they don't get it eh? ;D

You already made one person really upset haha quota is done for the day.

Greene1516 October 17th, 2009 4:09 PM

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Originally Posted by マイケル (Post 5231552)
Dude you're just all up on these people lmfao. Leave 'em be if they don't get it eh? ;D

You already made one person really upset haha quota is done for the day.

Since you asked then I guess I can oblige, since you clearly get me.

LilacLust October 17th, 2009 4:10 PM

basically, you should either use shoddy or start EV training.

PorcelainDoll October 17th, 2009 4:22 PM

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Originally Posted by LilacLust (Post 5231561)
basically, you should either use shoddy or start EV training.


Amen.




Pie Fillerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

leingodf8 October 17th, 2009 4:45 PM

Anyways id like to sign on as oneve the elite 4.

Ill try to think up some cool rule later but id like to reserve the position if at all possible. I can tell you that all battles will be doubles

edit: geezus this league has only been going for less than 24 hours and its got 5 pages of replies o.o... impressive i guess

and i guess i should fill this out...


- Dunno what kinda gym yet. Ill deffinatly let you know tomorow
- leingodf8
- Edge
- 4253 9864 9144
- Pacific Standard Time
- Doubles battles with.... well i guess i hafta do all other standards since itll be an e4 position, though id prefer it to be 3 UU/NU and 3 OU/BL
- Uhhh.... An ev'd pokemon of your choice (as in ill breed and trade you one once you win, may take a bit of time)

PokemonLeagueChamp October 17th, 2009 4:50 PM

Nah, EVing isn't important, non-EVd's still need strategy.

Lady Gaga October 17th, 2009 4:54 PM

Yes, I would like my form updated.

Turtle Gym
Leader : Lady Gaga


Status : Currently closed
Shoddy Name : TurtleGaga
Shoddy Server : Smogon University

Battle Time : I am usually busy, but PM me when you want to challenge me, and we will make a time.
Time Zone : EST (GMT -5) (Ontario, Canada)

Rules :

- Battles will be on Shoddy Battle
- No ubers, and only 1 OU Pokemon
- Fair IVs and EVs (read the Baby Gym's rules for examples)
- Only 3 main pokemon (I will only use 3 as well) ~ other 3 must be Bidoof. So once the main three pokemon are defeated, the preson defeated must forfeit the match.

Clauses :
- Uber Clause (Those Pokemon are not allowed :
http://www.smogon.com/dp/tiers/uber)
- OHKO Clause (Moves, which kill pokemon with one hit, are not allowed. Those are Horn Drill, Fissure, Guillotine and Sheer Cold)
- Evasion Clause ("Attack-Accuracy decreasing Moves" are not allowed. Those are Double Team, Sand-Attack and Minimize)
- Sleep Clause (You are allowed to make just one of the opponents pokemon sleep - oppenent pokemon using rest doesn`t count)
- Illegal Hacks Clause (Pokemon with 999 HP/ATK/DEF/SP.ATK/SP.DEF/SPD are not allowed)
- Hax Item Clause (Items like Focus Band are not allowed)

Prize : Shell Badge, 1 Turtwig Egg, 1 Squirtle Egg, 1 Mystery Egg (these are stored in my Pearl game. My FC will only be revealed to those who defeat me!)

Kamui October 17th, 2009 4:56 PM

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Originally Posted by pokemonleaguechamp (Post 5231734)
Nah, EVing isn't important, non-EVd's still need strategy.

Ev can make the difference of up to 63 stats points. Now you tell if it makes any difference or not ;)
+
Nature makes up another 10% difference =)

PokemonLeagueChamp October 17th, 2009 6:25 PM

That just makes battles longer, and postpones the inevitable.

Edit: Oh yeah, update my rules to include Evasion Clause.

Greene1516 October 17th, 2009 6:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pokemonleaguechamp (Post 5232056)
That just makes battles longer, and postpones the inevitable.

Dude seriously, quit while you are ahead, you have no idea what you are even talking about and you are making yourself look stupid and ultra-noobish. And the time you battled me should have been proof that your statement is a load of bull since all my guys are EV trained and I swept you in about 3minutes.

BTW, how you think EV training makes battles longer is beyond me, since when you don't EV train you still get those 63 extra stat points, just they are randomly scattered and usually in stats you don't use; basically it means your Pokemon is weaker.

All the same, I'm sigging these last two quotes from you because they are just so rofl lol any other stupid phrases that involve laughing.

crimsonstorm October 17th, 2009 8:29 PM

Hey Pip, I think I've decided on my gym.

Gym: Black Pyramid

Type: Pokemon that are creepy in appearance/monstrous

Rules: 6 verus 6 single, standard with item clause(no more than 1 of each item)
Teams must consist of 3 uu/nu and 3 ou, bl counts as ou. No entry hazard such as stealth rock, toxic spikes, or spikes. Sandstream and snow warning however is allowed.

Badge: Banshee's tear


I know the rules and type seem weird, but I wanted something a little off the wall for elite. :)

Code October 18th, 2009 1:52 AM

Wow, 5 pages when I was sleeping! XD
Just want to confirm that I'm still here, though I don't have my computer yet. :(
I will fill in the form later. :)


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