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Horus_21 December 28th, 2009 3:14 PM

wondering if anyone could help me, i have diamond, but i'm having trouble cloning pokemon =[

thegeneticway December 28th, 2009 8:16 PM

Sorry can't help you there.


But Hi!


I'm um, a person, and I'm bored.

Kudo December 28th, 2009 10:24 PM

Well, I finished obtaining 6 pokemon for someone. It was a real easy task but now I'm having a bit of trouble getting a time to trade setup. Besides just VM/PMing whenever it says they're on, anyone got any good tips for getting a proper time set-up of such coincidences seem so rare?

Also working on Battle Frontier stuff since I need enough points to teach a Sunflora Earth Power. I finish a 7 battle streak and then it has a yes/no option but since the question is in Japanese I don't know which to choose, I always seem to choose one and I get sent back to the bottom floor with only 2-3 BP...somehow this has happened 3 times...I swear I tried both, what am I to do?

And last, I have a Brave Bird Murkrow I promised someone...I'll get to messaging them later, although I may still have some work to do on it's IVs (and as far as I'm concerned, there's no RNG for HG/SS due to there being no pokewalker).

THAT REMINDS ME. Warning, mini-rant but I've kept the language family safe

Out of many of the trade threads, I see many offers of supposedly "legit" legendaries. Is nobody here doing the math?! For at least 2 decent IVs and proper nature with a Synchronizer I'd say it's 2/32 (choices 30 or 31 over 32 possible IVs, or 0-31) x 2/32 (2nd IV) x 1/2 (nature synchro, it might be less, it might be more, not sure but this is pushing it) = 1/512. Even if they have insane luck, are they really soft-resetting 200+ times? And they claim they're SHINY on top of it. NEWSFLASH they haven't cracked the RNG for normal capture so there's no legit trick to getting these. I smell all-encounter-shiny cheats all over. Keep in mind most people don't even encounter a single shiny throughout their ENTIRE play-through. So are they REALLY soft-reseting as many times as you've ran into a wild pokemon? If so, stop playing pokemon and buy some lottery tickets GEEZ. And 2 IVs and nature is the MINIMUM, what about those offering near perfect IVs? Notice this is only legendaries, normal shiny/perfect IV pokemon can be RNG.

But now, we have HG/SS. Where no RNG has been cracked and people claim to be able to give perfect IV+Nature pokemon WITH HG/SS BREED ONLY MOVES. Good IVs + Nature I can see, get the right ditto, or one you RNG in DPPt and use the proper breed item. But perfect with Shiny. No. Is it possible to get such? Yes. 1/754329085742380 is still a legit chance, BUT REALLY?

Actually, let me do the math for what some of you claim to have achieved for these legendaries:
(perfect IVs) 1/32 x 1/32 x 1/32 x 1/32 x 1/32 x 1/32 x (Nature, synchro) 1/2 x (Shiny) 1/8192 = 1/17,592,186,044,416

You know what can get you something like that to pass legit checkers? Just a few things, action replays and pokesav, preferably pokesav. As a matter a fact, it's been confirmed pokesav can create things that'll even pass Nintendo's hack checks. Stop lying to yourselves...it only looks legit.

Had to get that off my chest, sorry if it's the wrong place for it.

TwilightBlade December 29th, 2009 7:45 AM

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Well, I finished obtaining 6 pokemon for someone. It was a real easy task but now I'm having a bit of trouble getting a time to trade setup. Besides just VM/PMing whenever it says they're on, anyone got any good tips for getting a proper time set-up of such coincidences seem so rare?
Download an instant messenger, such as AIM, MSN, or Yahoo and talk to each other when you two are online? Do you know each others' timezones?

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Also working on Battle Frontier stuff since I need enough points to teach a Sunflora Earth Power. I finish a 7 battle streak and then it has a yes/no option but since the question is in Japanese I don't know which to choose, I always seem to choose one and I get sent back to the bottom floor with only 2-3 BP...somehow this has happened 3 times...I swear I tried both, what am I to do?
Lol, no idea about this... I'd have to look, but the last option would be something like, "Would you like to save the last battle in your Video Recorder?".

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And last, I have a Brave Bird Murkrow I promised someone...I'll get to messaging them later, although I may still have some work to do on it's IVs (and as far as I'm concerned, there's no RNG for HG/SS due to there being no pokewalker).
There is the PokeWalker for HGSS, but not PokeRadar. RNG abuse can be used in either regardless. I believe RNG is in many games, but in Pokemon, we are just aware of it and can manipulate the delay and frame to reach that shiny or flawless Pokemon hiding. However, if you attach a power item, the parent's IV will pass down. For example, Power Bracer EVs in Attack, so attaching it to the father would pass down his Attack IV.

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Even if they have insane luck, are they really soft-resetting 200+ times? And they claim they're SHINY on top of it. NEWSFLASH they haven't cracked the RNG for normal capture so there's no legit trick to getting these. I smell all-encounter-shiny cheats all over. Keep in mind most people don't even encounter a single shiny throughout their ENTIRE play-through. So are they REALLY soft-reseting as many times as you've ran into a wild pokemon? If so, stop playing pokemon and buy some lottery tickets GEEZ. And 2 IVs and nature is the MINIMUM, what about those offering near perfect IVs? Notice this is only legendaries, normal shiny/perfect IV pokemon can be RNG.
Uh, I have soft reset for 4 days for one shiny legendary... Then 11 months for another...It's not that hard, although their stats were bad. People are most likely RNGing, but you have to ask the original owner. If he/she seems knowledgeable and credible, it's best to give him/her the benefit of the doubt. ANYTHING can be RNGd, even wondercard Pokemon and Bebe's Eevee and stuff like that. If it's a monster, it can be RNG'd, although some wondercard events and stuff have an anti-shiny check.

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But now, we have HG/SS. Where no RNG has been cracked and people claim to be able to give perfect IV+Nature pokemon WITH HG/SS BREED ONLY MOVES.
RNG has been cracked by a select few on Smogon. One would advance the RNG by the radio.

You may be good at math, but you need to start using your eyes and look for the articles. :)

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You know what can get you something like that to pass legit checkers? Just a few things, action replays and pokesav, preferably pokesav.
You're right, several things I thought were hacked appeared to pass. The only thing that has failed legal.exe, in my experience, was a Tyranitar in a Cherish ball caught at level 100 in a city. Anyone could spot something so obvious, though. Legal.exe does not really check to see if a "forced shiny" code was used. It just checks simple values and information. :(

Kudo December 29th, 2009 9:26 AM

I appreciate this response immensely, finally some answers. This issue has been bothering me since I came to this forum.

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Originally Posted by TwilightBlade (Post 5430792)
Download an instant messenger, such as AIM, MSN, or Yahoo and talk to each other when you two are online? Do you know each others' timezones?

I have all three of those ._. I'll see if they have any, thanks for the tip.
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Lol, no idea about this... I'd have to look, but the last option would be something like, "Would you like to save the last battle in your Video Recorder?".
To youtube then! or Platinum, I'll get it done somehow.
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There is the PokeWalker for HGSS, but not PokeRadar. RNG abuse can be used in either regardless. I believe RNG is in many games, but in Pokemon, we are just aware of it and can manipulate the delay and frame to reach that shiny or flawless Pokemon hiding. However, if you attach a power item, the parent's IV will pass down. For example, Power Bracer EVs in Attack, so attaching it to the father would pass down his Attack IV.
How'd I screw that up? Yeah, my mistake, I meant the watch gear thing you get in Gen IV...whatever it's called. The one that has the coin flip app and happiness checker used for Dppt RNG.

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Uh, I have soft reset for 4 days for one shiny legendary... Then 11 months for another...It's not that hard, although their stats were bad. People are most likely RNGing, but you have to ask the original owner. If he/she seems knowledgeable and credible, it's best to give him/her the benefit of the doubt. ANYTHING can be RNGd, even wondercard Pokemon and Bebe's Eevee and stuff like that. If it's a monster, it can be RNG'd, although some wondercard events and stuff have an anti-shiny check.
That sounds around right, soft-reseting for a Shiny is much more probable than Stats, since for stats and IV's you'd have to catch it, check it, unlike Shinies which just...if they're shiny you'll know immediately. But even if you look at those numbers and if they did just soft reset for stats...make it a little more lenient to something more probable: 3/32 x 3/32 (2 near/are perfect Ivs) x 1/2 (apparently synchronize IS 50% after all, so I wasn't off yay) = 9/2048 or 0.44%. I could actually see that happening BUT, since you can't tell right away it's much longer than a normal soft reset for a shiny so it'd go half as fast due to checking (it's not like the IV checkers are perfect either, but I compared them with pokesav when I inputted everything exactly and they're still fairly accurate). Also, 11 months, that's dedication o_o. Again I'll have to look further into what RNG methods are being used.

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RNG has been cracked by a select few on Smogon. One would advance the RNG by the radio.
This is definitely the first I'm hearing about this, but is also the information I've been looking for to answer "HOW ARE THESE PEOPLE DOING IT?!" I'll take a look at this.

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You may be good at math, but you need to start using your eyes and look for the articles. :)
Awe, I did search pretty far for the information (including first hand pokesav experience with Platinum, I know there's one for Hg/ss but I'm not going to ruin that game)...although yes, it's rather clear I didn't search enough (specifically on HG/SS RNG). As for the math, naw, I just know how to use a calculator xD (actually an online one, the numbers were too big for my GRAPHING calculator..geez).
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You're right, several things I thought were hacked appeared to pass. The only thing that has failed legal.exe, in my experience, was a Tyranitar in a Cherish ball caught at level 100 in a city. Anyone could spot something so obvious, though. Legal.exe does not really check to see if a "forced shiny" code was used. It just checks simple values and information. :(
Well, sadly none of them are perfect. It's fairly easy to create something like a normal OU pokemon with only 2 perfect or near perfect IVs with the proper moveset and exact EVs that'll pass (I think there was something with putting it down as hatched that bypassed the checker but...I don't think I should discuss that further here) especially if you put it in a normal pokeball like a great/ultra/or dusk ball. At least the checker IS getting progressively better (I think). Although the only people I see that are caught are obviously the fools that say they have legit pokemon with illegal movesets

skaterdude6115 December 29th, 2009 10:15 PM

Is a pokemon obtained through RNG abuse considered a hacked pokemon?

Detox December 29th, 2009 11:02 PM

No, it's perfectly legit....

thegeneticway December 31st, 2009 7:15 PM

Happy New Years/New Year's Eve to everybody ~

Make any good trades lately?

I hope you did :3

ArmageddonAsh January 5th, 2010 10:41 AM

is there a way to trade Charmander from Fire Red to to someone with Pearl using WIFI?

Griffinbane January 5th, 2010 10:51 AM

Not directly, no. The only way you can do it is if you pal park it to Diamond/Pearl/Platinum then trade it to the person with Pearl.

ArmageddonAsh January 5th, 2010 10:54 AM

silly question but whats Pal Park?

Chains January 5th, 2010 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by ArmageddonAsh (Post 5452413)
silly question but whats Pal Park?

Its where you can Trade over Pokemon from Your GBA Pokemon Games such as Fire Red or Emerald and they get migrated to the Pal Parl and you can catch them there and then they will be on your DS Pokemon Game :)

ArmageddonAsh January 5th, 2010 11:29 AM

okay thanks. how do you get access to the Pal Park
do you have access to it from the start or late into the game?

Chains January 5th, 2010 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by ArmageddonAsh (Post 5452469)
okay thanks. how do you get access to the Pal Park
do you have access to it from the start or late into the game?

No you have to beat the Game and then go to Route 221 where it is Located, and obviously you have to have a GBA Pokemon Game with Pokemon on it to Migrate :)

OmegaLego January 13th, 2010 6:34 AM

I'm kind of a newbie so I didn't really know where to post this, but here goes...

Would anyone be looking for a "Trade Partner" when HeartGold and SoulSilver come out?

I'm getting Soulsilver, and I'd love to:

Help someone obtain version specific pokemon on a consistent basis,
--For example, if you had Heartgold but wanted a Vulpix with an adamant nature, I'd due my best to get it to you as soon as soon as possible. And on your part, trying to get me a Scyther. (since i'll have Soulsilver)

Offer evolutionary trades (tradebacks) for others and vice-versa
--Scizor and Machamp!!

and finally, just to meet a new friend!


Thanks and let me know :cool:

tommyhtc January 13th, 2010 6:50 AM

Ok then I'll get a heart gold.. it's always nice to have someone like that..
add me as friend.

OmegaLego January 13th, 2010 7:21 AM

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Originally Posted by tommyhtc (Post 5471218)
Ok then I'll get a heart gold.. it's always nice to have someone like that..
add me as friend.

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Originally Posted by OmegaLego (Post 5471199)
I'm kind of a newbie so I didn't really know where to post this, but here goes...

Would anyone be looking for a "Trade Partner" when HeartGold and SoulSilver come out?

I'm getting Soulsilver, and I'd love to:

Help someone obtain version specific pokemon on a consistent basis,
--For example, if you had Heartgold but wanted a Vulpix with an adamant nature, I'd due my best to get it to you as soon as soon as possible. And on your part, trying to get me a Scyther. (since i'll have Soulsilver)

Offer evolutionary trades (tradebacks) for others and vice-versa
--Scizor and Machamp!!

and finally, just to meet a new friend!


Thanks and let me know :cool:

Nice! Anybody else just let me know

pokedict January 13th, 2010 11:21 AM

kinda offtopic, but I saw no descrs of this
what does ev pokemon, iv pokemon or untouched pokemon actually mean =/

ArmageddonAsh January 13th, 2010 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by pokedict (Post 5471512)
kinda offtopic, but I saw no descrs of this
what does ev pokemon, iv pokemon or untouched pokemon actually mean =/

Untouched means that the pokemon still has all original moves
IV is the stats i think
EV is a specific kind of training to make them stronger then normal trainning

Anyone if any of this is wrong please correct
this is just from the limited knowledge that i have read about on here

pokedict January 13th, 2010 11:32 AM

what is that "specific way of training =/" and iv means which stats? like kinda a pure statted?

ArmageddonAsh January 13th, 2010 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by pokedict (Post 5471526)
what is that "specific way of training =/" and iv means which stats? like kinda a pure statted?

by that i mean training the pokemon to increase specific stats like health, defense or Special Attack

dont know alot about IV but its got something to do with determing the pokemons stats or something

check here for more info on IV : http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/IV

Troggy January 15th, 2010 5:06 PM

It has come to my attention that a lot of things being passed around here are hacked. Each thread says the Pokes are 'legit', but obviously the thread owners haven't tried checking. Here are a few I released tonight after finding that their IV / nature combinations had no legal PIDs (AKA they are hacked):

Shiny Rash Heatran Female 28/09/20/17/28/23
Shiny Modest Latias 24/05/20/30/25/27
Shiny Naive Deoxys 28/12/08/13/05/20

Those and many others like them are being cloned and offered at several places on PokeCommunity. I have seen many other shines and shiny legends offered that are suspect or hacked. I won't bother to recall every one, but please for everyone's sake be wary of these kinds of Pokes on here since the majority of users don't know well enough to determine their legitimacy. A lot of people simply take the word of others, which is often a mistake.

I say this as a service announcement, because nearly every legend/shiny/shiny legend I have gotten in a trade on PokeCommunity has turned out to be a hack. Chances are all of you have hacks without realizing it.

I would like to see those of us that claim to 'hate' hacks actually take a little more time to check what they are trading and receiving. A little diligence could go a long way.

Thanks.

On a happier note, the shiny Calm Mewtwo (18/11/27/06/09/02) I got from PC appears to be legit.

Neko-sama January 15th, 2010 5:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Troggy (Post 5476074)
It has come to my attention that a lot of things being passed around here are hacked. Each thread says the Pokes are 'legit', but obviously the thread owners haven't tried checking. Here are a few I released tonight after finding that their IV / nature combinations had no legal PIDs (AKA they are hacked):

Shiny Rash Heatran Female 28/09/20/17/28/23
Shiny Modest Latias 24/05/20/30/25/27
Shiny Naive Deoxys 28/12/08/13/05/20

Those and many others like them are being cloned and offered at several places on PokeCommunity. I have seen many other shines and shiny legends offered that are suspect or hacked. I won't bother to recall every one, but please for everyone's sake be wary of these kinds of Pokes on here since the majority of users don't know well enough to determine their legitimacy. A lot of people simply take the word of others, which is often a mistake.

I say this as a service announcement, because nearly every legend/shiny/shiny legend I have gotten in a trade on PokeCommunity has turned out to be a hack. Chances are all of you have hacks without realizing it.

I would like to see those of us that claim to 'hate' hacks actually take a little more time to check what they are trading and receiving. A little diligence could go a long way.

Thanks.

On a happier note, the shiny Calm Mewtwo (18/11/27/06/09/02) I got from PC appears to be legit.

Hiya Troggy, for a n00b to wi-fi trading like myself. Could you tell me the tells of a hack pokemon?

TwilightBlade January 15th, 2010 5:35 PM

Well, Neko, Troggy is using this website and inputting the IVs/natures of various Pokemon to see if they have a valid IV combination. This only applies to legendary or wild caught Pokemon - hatched Pokemon could have any combination of IVs.

I have some hack check cleaning to do myself... But I like to breed my own stuff anyways. >_>

Troggy January 15th, 2010 5:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Neko-sama (Post 5476096)
Hiya Troggy, for a n00b to wi-fi trading like myself. Could you tell me the tells of a hack pokemon?

That's a pretty big question, actually. It really depends on what the Pokemon is. Sometimes it's very obvious. Some hacks are obtained on routes where they are not found, hatched in places that don't exist, have stats that are impossible, or things like that. Those kinds of things are typical of kids who have Action Replay / Pokesav but don't really understand it or don't care if their hacks are easily detectable. I have seen kids say 'everything is legit except for the Route it was caught at', because they don't know how to do it properly.

There are many ways to hack a Pokemon where it is less detectable, though. Sometimes the only indication is an impossible combination of IVs and nature. It is especially difficult to identify hacked hatched Pokemon, provided there are no obvious warning signs.

As far as event Pokemon go, you can check closely to make sure they have the proper OT/ID number, moves, IVs, ball caught in, and ribbons. If anything seems amiss, it is likely a hack. You can look up lists on websites like Serebii or Bulbapedia that will list all the characteristics that event Pokemon has if it is legit.

If you are having trouble figuring one out, most boards have hack check threads where you can at least get a second opinion. It would take a lot to go through all the particulars but I hope this was helpful.


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