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mustyoshi November 3rd, 2009 5:54 AM

What ROM is the best for hacking?
 
I am thinking of making a hack but I don't know which ROM to use... Does anybody have any opinions of which one is best for starting a hack?

Banjora Marxvile November 3rd, 2009 10:43 AM

Before the annoying clamour of people saying "Use Firered", it really makes no difference.

All ROMs have their pros and cons. Pick whatever you want. (However, some tools have compatibility for Firered, Ruby and Emerald, but not Leafgreen and Sapphire, as they do not use the right Offsets. I'd choose 1 of them, but they all have differences)

SharpPoint November 3rd, 2009 10:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deviation (Post 5287334)
Before the annoying clamour of people saying "Use Firered", it really makes no difference.

All ROMs have their pros and cons. Pick whatever you want. (However, some tools have compatibility for Firered, Ruby and Emerald, but not Leafgreen and Sapphire, as they do not use the right Offsets. I'd choose 1 of them, but they all have differences)

I say 'Use Firered'. =D

I find FireRed my personal favorite. I tried hacking Ruby, and it didn't turn out too well. Not to mention, there are more tutorials that deal with only FireRed. It's really personal preference. There really is no 'best' ROM.

Masterge77 November 3rd, 2009 11:26 AM

Ruby, FireRed is hacked WAY too much anymore, and Ruby is barely hacked

Satoshi Ookami November 3rd, 2009 11:42 AM

Ruby or Fire Red... it all depends on type of hack.

Micael Alighieri November 3rd, 2009 11:46 AM

Use Emerald. This rom have no several glitches and it has a lot of music and other interesting and useful things.

Ruby is past, Emerald is future.

mustyoshi November 3rd, 2009 11:52 AM

Which one would be best for a hack that involved changing alot of pokemon? Like changing their names and stuff like that?

Micael Alighieri November 3rd, 2009 12:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mustyoshi (Post 5287410)
Which one would be best for a hack that involved changing alot of pokemon? Like changing their names and stuff like that?

Any rom would be good for that, but Pokemon Emerald have many new thing and there are many improvements.

I've hacked Fire Red, the worst rom for me because that rom has a lot of posible glitches. Emerald have no several glitches and it can be used without problems.

Ruby...yeah, is a good rom, it has a lot of space but it's the oldest, it has no new things and have some several glitches (sometimes the rom resets when you have a wild Pokémon encounter).

Bye.

mustyoshi November 3rd, 2009 12:17 PM

Emerald? Hmm, I think I will try Emerald...

Banjora Marxvile November 3rd, 2009 12:25 PM

OK, hack Emerald.

However, when Black pass listed the things that went wrong, that was after he edited it. If you edit it haphazardly, you will find bugs, and when 1 person hacks a ROM, their problems may not happen to another (Especially the Resetting in a Wild Battle one, never happened to me, and I expanded Tilesets into Free Space). All ROMs have bugs, especially when tools are used, due to offsets or the person editing the ROM. And if the ROMs were glitchy, like the Wild Battle thing, would Nintendo have released the game? It is just what you edit, and the wrong offsets in tools sometimes.

NarutoActor November 3rd, 2009 12:43 PM

why do we need this thread, these types of threads get created every week.
And to answer your question its all prefrence and skill of the hacker.
enough said~

Micael Alighieri November 3rd, 2009 1:35 PM

I'm hacking since five months and I know the 95% of glitches. The reset glitch only appears on Pokemon Ruby (nerverly ever on Pokemon Fire Red).

The ROM's initially are good made, the questions are these: Is this rom good for hacking? Will appear any glitch if I hack it?

They are two different things. As has said NarutoActor the rom we hack depends of preference of the rom hacker.

Bye.

→goon November 3rd, 2009 1:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Black pass (Post 5287675)
I'm hacking since five months and I know the 95% of glitches. The reset glitch only appears on Pokemon Ruby (nerverly ever on Pokemon Fire Red).

The ROM's initially are good made, the questions are these: Is this rom good for hacking? Will appear any glitch if I hack it?

They are two different things. As has said NarutoActor the rom we hack depends of preference of the rom hacker.

Bye.

Five months isn't a very long time to be hacking to be honest. Also, I'm fairly positive that the "reset glitch" you're talking about only appears on Ruby for you because of offsets. Editing essentially the same thing on different ROMs could produce completely different glitches.

Glitches are cause of the hacker, not the ROM itself.

NarutoActor November 3rd, 2009 2:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by →goon (Post 5287735)
Five months isn't a very long time to be hacking to be honest. Also, I'm fairly positive that the "reset glitch" you're talking about only appears on Ruby for you because of offsets. Editing essentially the same thing on different ROMs could produce completely different glitches.

Glitches are cause of the hacker, not the ROM itself.

yeah what fanking said the glitches you are talking about are your fault :C there is no one rom which was a in-game glitch. maby faulty tools caused it but not the atucal rom.

SharpPoint November 3rd, 2009 2:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by →goon (Post 5287735)
Five months isn't a very long time to be hacking to be honest.

What are you talking about? Not to get off-topic, but 5 months is plenty of time to be hacking. It only really takes about a month to start a good, successful hack. It took me 3 weeks after I joined PokeCommunity to start SacredFire, and I haven't experienced any non-fixable glitches. My ROM is fine.

The more time you've been here, doesn't mean you'll have more talent in hacking.

NarutoActor November 3rd, 2009 2:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SharpPoint (Post 5287901)
What are you talking about? Not to get off-topic, but 5 months is plenty of time to be hacking. It only really takes about a month to start a good, successful hack. It took me 3 weeks after I joined PokeCommunity to start SacredFire, and I haven't experienced any non-fixable glitches. My ROM is fine.

The more time you've been here, doesn't mean you'll have more talent in hacking.

no what he saing is 5months in rom hacking isnt something to brag about. obviously some people are faster than others but time brings expirence I have been hacking for a year now and I can easly say the longer you hack the better you will become.

and congrats sharpoint :D

SharpPoint November 3rd, 2009 3:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NarutoActor (Post 5287915)
no what he saing is 5months in rom hacking isnt something to brag about.

Oh lol. Then in that case, disregard my previous post. =)

Liquid Shadow November 3rd, 2009 7:51 PM

Ruby is my choice:

Why?

Ruby advantages against Firered:

The "bad" graphics can easily be changed by inserting new tiles.
It has a clock! HUGE ADVANTAGE (Meaning you can make time based stuff, like GSC. ZodiacDaGreat made an ASM function for this, and there are DayAndNight tools for Ruby as well)
It has more specials (I think)
It has more sprites (Even though you can add extra sprits into Firered and Ruby via hex editor. The tutorial for adding more sprites in FireRed works in Ruby, as do most other tutorials.. Just find the correct offsets if you can.)
The truck script CAN be removed (There are now tools that do this)
PokeNav
Many more extra features can't name atm..
Secret Bases
More Music (Even though you can extend the amount of music you can add in both Ruby and FireRed via hex editor)


Now FireRed's advantages against Ruby:

More tutorials for FireRed (as most people hack FireRed) (Many FR tuts are kind of the same as Ruby)
4 world maps! HUGE ADVANTAGE (Especially if you want more than one region)
No hassle of removing the truck script


They both have some songs from the GSC series.

In case you don't know, FireRed is same as LeafGreen, Ruby is same as Saphire (Advantages wise)

Emerald is just like R/S except it has more features (EX: Battle Tower, Animations for Pokemon in battle)
HOWEVER: I heard that Emerald is very unstable. I don't know how unstable it is and to what extent.

Overall, I would say Ruby is the best to choose. Even though there is only one world map, you can PROBABLY fit 2 or 3 regions on one map.

OH and IMO I think you should learn how to do some stuff in FR/LG then go on to R/S/E, because of the fact that there are more tutorials. FR/LG are easier for beginners.

SharpPoint November 3rd, 2009 8:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NeoNemesis (Post 5288978)
Ruby is my choice:

Why?

Ruby advantages against Firered:

The "bad" graphics can easily be changed by inserting new tiles.
It has a clock! HUGE ADVANTAGE (Meaning you can make time based stuff, like GSC. ZodiacDaGreat made an ASM function for this, and there are DayAndNight tools for Ruby as well)
It has more specials (I think)
It has more sprites (Even though you can add extra sprits into Firered and Ruby via hex editor. The tutorial for adding more sprites in FireRed works in Ruby, as do most other tutorials.. Just find the correct offsets if you can.)
The truck script CAN be removed (There are now tools that do this)
PokeNav
Many more extra features can't name atm..
Secret Bases
More Music (Even though you can extend the amount of music you can add in both Ruby and FireRed via hex editor)


Now FireRed's advantages against Ruby:

More tutorials for FireRed (as most people hack FireRed) (Many FR tuts are kind of the same as Ruby)
4 world maps! HUGE ADVANTAGE (Especially if you want more than one region)
No hassle of removing the truck script


They both have some songs from the GSC series.

In case you don't know, FireRed is same as LeafGreen, Ruby is same as Saphire (Advantages wise)

Emerald is just like R/S except it has more features (EX: Battle Tower, Animations for Pokemon in battle)
HOWEVER: I heard that Emerald is very unstable. I don't know how unstable it is and to what extent.

Overall, I would say Ruby is the best to choose. Even though there is only one world map, you can PROBABLY fit 2 or 3 regions on one map.

OH and IMO I think you should learn how to do some stuff in FR/LG then go on to R/S/E, because of the fact that there are more tutorials. FR/LG are easier for beginners.

Lol, you made Ruby look like a good ROM to hack. (No sarcasm)

.Seth November 3rd, 2009 8:21 PM

Anything in the ROM can be changed to what you want, so there is no matter in which rom. Unless you are adding things made for that rom, it makes no difference.

Of course, Ruby has RTC, though.

→goon November 3rd, 2009 8:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NeoNemesis (Post 5288978)
HOWEVER: I heard that Emerald is very unstable. I don't know how unstable it is and to what extent.

LOL UNSTABLE.

There is no unstable ROM. Different ROMs have different offsets. This is a common misconception because people don't read. Instead, they use a tool that isn't made for Emerald. Or an inexperienced tool maker uses the same offsets as Ruby because they believe them to be the same. People should at least think about what they are saying before they make a statement like that. Honestly, does anyone believe that Nintendo/Gamefreak would release an unstable game?

Vrai November 3rd, 2009 8:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NeoNemesis (Post 5288978)
No hassle of removing the truck script

If you're creative, perhaps you can utilize the truck script. Not everything should be looked on as a disadvantage.

Quote:

Originally Posted by NeoNemesis (Post 5288978)
HOWEVER: I heard that Emerald is very unstable. I don't know how unstable it is and to what extent.

No statement is more false than this one. Emerald is not unstable at all. It's the tools that are unstable, as they are basically programmed to search for specific offsets, which are different in Emerald than in R/S. If you'll notice, A-map, which I believe is offset-dynamic (meaning that it doesn't necessarily look for specific information in a specific offset), works just fine with Emerald.

Quote:

Originally Posted by NeoNemesis (Post 5288978)
OH and IMO I think you should learn how to do some stuff in FR/LG then go on to R/S/E, because of the fact that there are more tutorials. FR/LG are easier for beginners.

It's not easier for beginners. Both are equally the same. It's the same action in both ROMs to do just about everything. Most tutorials (Like the XSE tutorials?) are backwards-compatible with both Ruby and FireRed; I mean, they're essentially the same to hack. Picking one is simply a matter of personal preference. I mean, myself, I have struggles with graphical work. Since FireRed has overall better graphics and they appeal to me more, I work with FireRed. Take your pick, really.

I don't know how many times in these sorts of threads Ruby was recommended over FireRed. Nearly all of the advantages each has over the other can be made in the other by using some creative hacking.

EDIT: Why does everyone beat me to the punch and say exactly what I was saying? D:
I mean, seriously, both of you guys posted while I was typing this.


Micael Alighieri November 4th, 2009 9:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NarutoActor (Post 5287915)
no what he saing is 5months in rom hacking isnt something to brag about. obviously some people are faster than others but time brings expirence I have been hacking for a year now and I can easly say the longer you hack the better you will become.

and congrats sharpoint :D

I'm sorry, but I didn't say 5 months in rom hacking, I said 5 months with Pokemon Emerald. I'm on rom hacking since three years.

NarutoActor November 4th, 2009 12:56 PM

like I said it dosent matter how much time but how much skill. there are slow and fast learners ao you cant use that as a base.

Chaos Rush November 4th, 2009 2:34 PM

I don't know why some people hate hacking Emerald so much, it's just that there aren't as many tools for it. I think it's the best ROM to hack, since it's the most "up-to-date" GBA Pokemon game. It has everything that FireRed does, plus more, such as the PokeNav, the clock (and the clock means you can have Espeon and Umbreon), animations, and A LOT more music. The only thing that Emerald doesn't have over FireRed is 4 world maps, and that's not really a concern for me.


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