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Trade Corner Suggestion Thread
Okay, I've got a general idea of what I'm going to do here in the section overall, but I thought - hey, if I'm going to be making guidelines and whatnot, why not ask the members themselves? How democratic ~! ^-^
Well, if you have any suggestions [rules/guidelines, general suggestions, et cetera] for the Trade Corner, post them here. :D This thread will remain open until the end of November ~ |
I personally suggest creating a terminology thread; during my time here (which hasn't been so long...), I've seen a whole bunch of people who don't know what some of the more commonly used terms are or mean. Having a thread that describes what each term means could help out a bit.
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Quick Trade Thread looks messy....and there's a lot of topics(expired)
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I think there should be a system to stop the countless idiots who intentionally post new threads for quick trades thinking they will get a trade faster that way. There should also be a blacklist section for those who have been repeatedly reported for scamming.
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Not sure if this is too good an Idea But A "I need a Hack test" Sticky
A way to get impartial observers to hack test your pokemon I had a Trade with greene that went wrong This inspired me to make it xP still need the pokemon Hack tested as it looks legit apart from date it would be Real Useful to some people and earn others lods of respect for giving their time to Hack test pokemon |
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As for my suggestions...I would suggest consolidating the three rules/hacks threads into one. A common excuse for breaking the rules in the TC seems to be "there are so many rules threads I got bored reading them", which whilst is 100% the fault of the rule-breaker, taking away the fact there are so many at least leaves them without an excuse. Also, Britney's "Hay" announcement really needs to be "Hay you guys no clones plox" or something - not a lot of people have looked at it. D: |
I suggest we add a sticky, that has a how to make a trade thread form.. You know so everyone has the same basic layout so things won't seam to confusing...
I also suggest bringing this to the trade section.. http://www.pokecommunity.com/forumdisplay.php?f=185 I mean it's been a while and VIP's don't seam to be using it... |
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What we need is a thread telling noobs not to post threads that should be in the quick trade thread. Maybe a minimum inventory for a seperate thread, like 12 pokes. Quote:
At any rate, what are your ideas, Ursula? I'd like to know what may be coming. |
I support the Idea of making the hack check thread, but only with trusted people of PC... I want to check most of my pokemon to make sure they are trully legit...
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Oh yeah theres a problem in a hack thread will thry steal your pokes :/
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I like the blacklist idea (I started working on a hacked OT/ID list back in '08, which was never updated afterward... Speaking of UPDATES, hint hint event hint :x). Oh, it is difficult to update such things, but I think that these would serve more purpose than a terminology thread, which most do know the general terms (UT, EV, etc). Quote:
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I can see a rule emphasizing traders to provide at least species, nature, and level (while something like, "I have most Pokemon, PM me" is prohibited for ambiguity), but not every trader needs to provide OT, IVs, EVs, ribbons, etc. Thus, a basic layout cannot apply to all. Honestly, I like seeing different styled threads; as what pokemonleaguechamp said, the layout illustrates how dedicated and creative a trader is while making the shop aesthetically appealing, aka, more customers. And that's about my standpoint on the Trade Corner. =3= |
I'm not sure an 100% ban on hack checks and cloning is best. Some may need such services. As far as cloning goes, the ban will send newer users in the AR zone to clone, from where there may sprout hacked Pokes that will spread over PC. Then we'll need that hack check thread.
These things should be allowed, but only from more trusted traders like Moriarty or ckn. That's just what I think |
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Anyway on the Hack-Checking topic. It might just be better that instead of banning hack-checking and what not the mods just make a sticky on how to hack check pokemon. That way, people will be able to follow step by step on how to hack check their pokemon. Cloning can't be banned, even if you try. People will obviously still clone their pokemon even if the mods say theres a "ban on cloning". Just look at what mods say about offering cloning services in their threads! People still do it, and no offense to the mods or anything, but threads that were started six months still have cloning services. I do back up a Blacklist on people who make "Searching for x Pokemon" Threads without going in the Quick Trade Thread. They're just stupid ._. |
What if people who make threads that belong in quick trade get banned from PC until they donate some money xD
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Well, if they don't come back they won't be cluttering up the place will they?
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You know it was not a completely serious suggestion........
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Agreed with those suggestions...
and BTW,Maybe Mods should create a topic called "Hack Check Thread".I can help that with my knowledge,XD... |
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As for a hack check thread, well. It can be done by posting all the stats, can't it? ): I mean, if further testing needs to be done, but in general one can tell XD; Quote:
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What I want to do? Me? ^-^; Well, to say the least, I think in order to reform a section in such a way that's absolute, it is best to nip it at the bud. Otherwise, you're just going to have the same problems sprouting up. v-v; And, yes, I plan on making.. well not a template for creating trade threads, but definite guidelines. ;) |
This might sound like a ridiculous idea, but is it possible to make like a "Spotlight" for "Trade Thread of the Month"? Like, a thread has to get x amount of nominations and then people vote on what they believe is the best thread of the month based on activity and what not (sort of like the ROM Designing, how they have a Hack Showcase). There could be like a Hall of Fame that displays threads. I think this is a cool idea, but thats just me.
Or we could just make a Hall of Fame for threads that hit a specific amount of posts. Considering how if a thread is inactive for over a month and is as successful as "Professor Bob's Breeding Center", shouldn't it still be remembered then it dissapearing/deleted?. Just throwing some ideas out there :3 |
Well, I really don't see what the point of that would be. I think it would wind up only reflecting how many posts or trades in a thread and not its design.
And aren't there already thread guidelines? |
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On the note of the hack check thread, I don't see anyone can possibly get scammed. You don't need to actually trade the Pokemon to get it checked as just by being in the trade room or entering the data here someone can get full access to all necessary data without actually taking the Pokemon. It just isn't possible for someone to get scammed and I know how it all goes 'cause I hack check for people here all the time. |
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A hack-thread would be helpful, but if it's an issue on space I'm still all for a terminology thread. Several people have PM'd me to ask for details on certain terminology - they didn't want to ask on my thread itself because they're scared of being jumped on for being idiots. Which does happen on this forum. |
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As a suggestion, what if a seperate sub-forum was created so that those who have popular, well-made trade threads, and are known to be trustworthy, (i.e. Moriarity, Greene, Conan, meself, etc.) have their threads placed there so people don't have to sort through dead and junky posts to get to them. New threads can be put somewhere else until they become proven and are moved with the other trade threads. |
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I might say a little less, like 300+ I think thats still pretty reasonable because those other junk threads would never reach even that far... |
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Oh, and I forgot to add, Ursula - I think having basic guidelines would be great. So many threads are laid out in so many different ways that it's easy to get confused. :] |
I don't honestly believe theres any need for a sub-forum for other threads. Can you explain again why we should use them?
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I only joined PC two months ago so I can guarantee that it's pretty confusing when you first wander in and are hit by a wall of threads. So maybe it would be nice to have a sub-forum of the more 'serious' threads, or traders who have been around for a while (and who are actually going to stick around for a while longer) and who are known to be trusted, or who tend to deal in more rare Pokémon. Sort of like having department stores and flea markets in any town or city. |
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And Moriarty drop by my Emporium there is a post that concerns you |
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Ah, nothing.... yet
Is there something I should know about (= |
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Most people here that are new dont even take time to read the rules, even if it says read before posting. I know this because i have made this mistake.
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we should have a kinda GTS, where there is a long list of offers and wants :)
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I think that their should be a Pokemon Donation thread. Here people can donate some of their unwanted Pokemon and other people can have them. People who have obtained a Pokemon from the donator can train them and really take care of them. The donator could make a post of his unwanted Pokemon and someone will ask for them or a few of them. It would be easier than a giveaway aswell...
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Cloning should be allowed. Everyone was happy when it was
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1. Because everyone clones their own Pokes anyway. 2. Because frequent traders know who is trustworthy for such things. 3. Because some may need help because they don't know how to clone. |
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Just adding one more quick thing. They do allow it, if you've read the rules: Cloning threads... To avoid users from being stolen Pokémon, it's now against the rules to create cloning threads, so such threads will be closed instantly. If you see a thread offering to clone Pokémon, DO NOT ACCEPT, because that's the easiest way to steal Pokémon. Instead, report the thread. If you want someone to clone you a Pokémon, you may ask it through PM, but remember this is at your own risk, so make sure it's someone you know well. You may also not sneak cloning services into your threads. We WILL find it and remove it. Also, if someone offers you to clone Pokémon, never accept it from a new member |
cloning services should be allowed.
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Unless this is already implemented, I believe that anyone who responds to a bad/reported post should be warned. Guys, just report and ignore. Stop minimodding and intimidating newbies. :) |
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The blacklist is a much easier idea to execute than this, plus if there was a thread like this people would tend to trade with these people and no one else, whereas with a blacklist people will trade with anyone except those on the list. Might I add on the issue of stopping people posting quick trades as full threads, how about adding a 1 point infraction for someone who does it a second time after having their first thread already moved and warned. |
I would like to see a PC Blacklist...
With two sections one for Disconnectors in the Battle Threads, and one for the Trade forum for Hackers and Liars ( Lying about IV's/EV's/Nature ) Or people Distributing others stuff without permission EDIT: Maybe even a Thread like "Is my Pokemon Hacked?" So people unsure if there pokemon is hacked or not can post there and ask if there pokemon is hacked or not, would also be helpfull to get rid of some hacks in threads....... EDIT2: I Also think you should be Able to Double Post in your Threads, that way youll be able to Update it with new things you catch/breed. I know this is a problem for me as i catch 2 or 3 things a day and if i update my thread it still stays on page 3 or so :/ Anybody else think that? |
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Number 2 - I have also had this issue often- but how can we prevent people from abusing it to constantly bump their own threads? |
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And it doesnt count to post count so i see no porblem with it :/ |
People can have differing opinions on what is a good post....
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i liked the blacklist idea. many hackers are blacklisted from the most of the shops already so why not to have a forum blacklist?
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[QUOTE=Chains;5331064]And? Its not that hard to just listen to a Rule and the Rule would be You can only Update "good" Pokemon. Or here this is better idea If your Thread is on the First Page you cannot Update it, but if its on any other Page you can Double Post and Update it that sounds better.
The first page rule is a good idea- Though some people do have trouble reading rules... |
One thing I have been fighting for since Day 1 of my time here on PC is being able to edit your thread title yourself. Its just a hassle in my opinion for the person himself to go and find a moderator who is online and to ask him/her to edit your thread title. It also makes me feel noobish a little bit ._. This whole concept is a trust issue I believe on using vulgar in your title, but that could be in regular posts anyway. Does anyone else back up the idea that we should be able to edit our thread titles ourselves?
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I'm all for a general blacklist. Many of the more active/older? threads here tend to have some of the same people blacklisted over and over, especially when word gets out about what really happened. If there was a general blacklist for scammers and hackers, then we'll see a potential shrink in personal blacklists in threads, now reserved for rude and annoying people. Furthermore, with a trade-wide blacklist, everyone will know who to watch out for and get an idea to who is trustworthy. |
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Blacklisting will just end up as a failure because if I was Blacklisted, I would just make myself another account. Its that simple to get around it. |
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There is a Run Buttont you know? So if they have to leave they can simply click Run, and if they knew they were going t oleave before hand then they shouldnt be battleing......... And sometimes there are obvious Disconnects, like if theres no lag and theres 3 bars through the whole battle and they DC then thats an obvious DC so i dont know what your talking about And this is from the Rules You are not allowed to register accounts to create an illusion of more than one person. Also known as "sock puppetry", you may not use another account to vote on a poll or back up an argument, mislead other members, or evade a ban. Evasion of a ban, in particular may, depending on the offences a member commits, result in punishments such as the ban time being doubled and/or the timer reset. This does not prohibit having multiple accounts (for yourself or individuals in your family) in general. We will ban all accounts used for ban evasion without question. |
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On the account. Even though there is a rule for this, there is still no way that it will hold people back making a duplicate account (I know a few people who have done this). There is no way for an Admin to track this, plus if there was, you could say just go downstairs on your parents computer and make an account. |
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A few notes, firstly, elhero there is a way to rack multiple accounts, it's called an IP ban.
Secondly, blacklist enitely should be in though there should be certain criteria so that it remains fair. I also think there should be a blacklist for hacked Pokemon too, not just hackers. We all know that thanks to certain big trade threads that don't ever check what they trade, a lot of hacks get redistributed a lot around PC and sometimes when a particular hack is uncovered and distributed widely, it would be good to have a thread that says if you have this POkemon, know it is a hack. The DerekC Gallade from the summer is a good example, the thread would say something like: Gallade Level 100 Adamant OT: DerekC ID: 06378 Moves: Shaodw Sneak, LEaf Blade, Close Combat, Swords Dance etc |
My Gallade is lv 100,Adamant and's OT is DerekC
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You have a hacked Gallade then. The moves I used in that example were made up as an example, but the OT level and nature weren't.
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I think I understand a little bit on the IP Ban. A computer has a specific IP, so if a person notices it has the same number then anothers, then they're duplicate accounts. But thats the only problem though. Would an Admin/Moderator actually look at each and every new account to find a match? Unless they specifically ban the IP Adress from the beginning when they ban the person, it doesn't seem likely. |
IP Ban won't work either- ever heard of a proxy site?
Anyways, something needs to be done about the massive bombarding on people who don't read the rules-its starting to get bad..like ten threads have been made today like that, and some by people who have been told not to repeatedly. |
Proxy Sites can easily be identified by the staff.
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I got one quit moving my damn thread just a suggestion.
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Also so this isnt spam im suggesting a RNG Help thread? I know this isnt Smogon but a few people could need some help with it........ Is there anyone else here that knows how besides me though? |
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Im waiting for a reason but they keep moving my trade thread to the quick trades Ill just keep thowing it up until I get a reason. |
Mate, it's because your trade thread isn't well...big enough to warrant a thread of its own. Threads that are the size of yours is more a quick trade post.
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An RNG help thread..might be a pretty good idea but since Smogon has one, why not incorporate a PokeRadar chaining help thread? That might be helpful to some people who can't chain (ME!!) |
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I dont care at least Id get a reason. |
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And i see no point in chaining shinies.... It takes way less time breeding one or RNG Catching one imo but thats just me... Unless your trying to find your SID but that can be found using an AR or Poke.sav but yes it would be helpfull for those that cant RNG or have access to AR or poke.sav so yeah it would be a nice thread Quote:
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i also think that an RNG help thread would be good but only if we have enough members good at it
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Now that I've seen your "thread" blackwell, I can tell you exactly why it got put into quick trade. It has very little to no layout, you've only got 9 pokemon available to trade with no info on any of them, it's not very clear exactly what you're trading and, though it's optional, you don't have any clear objects that you are looking for. Expand your collection before you put up a thread and consider how you want it to look.
Back on topic, a pokeradar help thread would be nice but I'm not sure if it would generate enough posts to warrant its own thread. But yeah, it would be nice. I need help chaining as well. My chains always break in the twenties and thanks to that, I can't RNG even if I tried. D: Edit: Sniped. 3 times. Twice by one person. Oww, the pain! >.> Actually, I know that there are at least 3 people here who RNG. Two I know by name. The first doesn't have a thread here and her collection of pokemon is more or less the reverse of mine with superior stats. >.> The second, I believe her thread has sunk by now and she is no longer as active. But as far as I can remember, she was more interested in events and her regular RNG'd pokemon were mainly shinies and quite a few were given away free. Um, yeah, random ramblings by me. <.< |
Using the ridiculous "I can do whatever I want" attitude of Blackwell above as a perfect example I further push that there are 1-2 point infractions given for people who persist to break rules they have already been told off for, especially posting in the wrong place. The mods are always very clear on why they close threads and on the occasions they are not it is usually because there are already a barrage of posts by members saying "use the quick trade".
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Hoo Rah!! Not to mention it wastes the mods time when they might like to do something else. I mean sure they are there to enforce rules but after so many of the same people doing the same stuff it might get a bit tiring.. |
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Maybe there should be a light approval to trade threads. Traders offering a minimum of say, 15 pokes, can have threads. Those with quick trades get moved to quick trade thread. |
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Odd that you disagree with infracting people for intentionally disobeying the rules over and over when people get infracted for alot less, i.e. not posting 25 letters in posts.
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2.)...Sadly, thats true that I don't know much about IP addresses. I'm a quick learner though ^_^ |
A "directory system" to differentiate between:
~ Breeder / egg move only threads ~ EV'd / IV'd trade threads ~ "I have event Pokemon" trade threads ~ 'Items can be found here' threads ~ respected by the respected Considering this rule of thread limitation per person, a "directory" may aid in tracking. I know I wouldn't want a dozen pages worth of one persons threads to be my fault. |
The problem with that is, most people who open threads tend to be in more than 1 of those categories. It's difficult to sort out threads because of that. The only way I can think of is to have people state what is their main focus on the top of their threads.
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may i sugest that people opening up shops with EVd pokes or bred pokes are any pokemon besides events unless that event has valuable IVs, that they should post the pokes IVs? it kinda helps others grasp and understanding at first glance instead of multiple questioning?
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OMG YES!!!! It should be a rule for you to post all IV's!!!!!! Not only will it tell you if the poks is hacked or not (ie some Iv combinations for legendaries are illegal, which means there hacked) And on smogon this is a rule. I know this isnt Smogon but you should still have to list all IV's!!!! I do! |
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Of course that could cause an issue with people opening up breeding shops that really are worthless and junk for spam, so perhaps there should be some guidelines? Any ideas? |
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