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professor plum November 10th, 2009 5:11 PM

Trade Corner Suggestion Thread
 
Okay, I've got a general idea of what I'm going to do here in the section overall, but I thought - hey, if I'm going to be making guidelines and whatnot, why not ask the members themselves? How democratic ~! ^-^

Well, if you have any suggestions [rules/guidelines, general suggestions, et cetera] for the Trade Corner, post them here. :D

This thread will remain open until the end of November ~

TheAppleFreak November 10th, 2009 5:19 PM

I personally suggest creating a terminology thread; during my time here (which hasn't been so long...), I've seen a whole bunch of people who don't know what some of the more commonly used terms are or mean. Having a thread that describes what each term means could help out a bit.

El Héroe Oscuro November 10th, 2009 7:28 PM

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Originally Posted by TheAppleFreak (Post 5309729)
I personally suggest creating a terminology thread; during my time here (which hasn't been so long...), I've seen a whole bunch of people who don't know what some of the more commonly used terms are or mean. Having a thread that describes what each term means could help out a bit.

Technically, that should be the problem of the person in charge of their thread. All they have to do to fix the problem of people asking them about the terminology is place the abbreviations near the top of their thread and indicate what each means. Simple.

de_darkrai November 10th, 2009 8:00 PM

Quick Trade Thread looks messy....and there's a lot of topics(expired)

Greene1516 November 11th, 2009 4:42 AM

I think there should be a system to stop the countless idiots who intentionally post new threads for quick trades thinking they will get a trade faster that way. There should also be a blacklist section for those who have been repeatedly reported for scamming.

thomascallaghan November 11th, 2009 4:58 AM

Not sure if this is too good an Idea But A "I need a Hack test" Sticky
A way to get impartial observers to hack test your pokemon
I had a Trade with greene that went wrong This inspired me to make it xP still need the pokemon Hack tested as it looks legit apart from date
it would be Real Useful to some people and earn others lods of respect for giving their time to Hack test pokemon

SCV058 November 11th, 2009 5:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Greene1516 (Post 5310730)
I think there should be a system to stop the countless idiots who intentionally post new threads for quick trades thinking they will get a trade faster that way. There should also be a blacklist section for those who have been repeatedly reported for scamming.

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Originally Posted by thomascallaghan (Post 5310774)
Not sure if this is too good an Idea But A "I need a Hack test" Sticky
A way to get impartial observers to hack test your pokemon
I had a Trade with greene that went wrong This inspired me to make it xP still need the pokemon Hack tested as it looks legit apart from date
it would be Real Useful to some people and earn others lods of respect for giving their time to Hack test pokemon

I agree and support the above ideas. Perhaps we might also have an additional mod or two to enforce the rules around here.

Pokémon Ranger ✩ Moriarty November 11th, 2009 5:45 AM

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Originally Posted by TheAppleFreak (Post 5309729)
I personally suggest creating a terminology thread; during my time here (which hasn't been so long...), I've seen a whole bunch of people who don't know what some of the more commonly used terms are or mean. Having a thread that describes what each term means could help out a bit.

I think this is a great idea. The acronyms and terminology used on PokéCommunity tends to be very specific to this site, so it's not exactly like new users can go and look up phrases such as "CMT" or "LF" on Google and find what we mean. I've only been here two months and I'm still discovering phrases I have no idea about XD!

As for my suggestions...I would suggest consolidating the three rules/hacks threads into one. A common excuse for breaking the rules in the TC seems to be "there are so many rules threads I got bored reading them", which whilst is 100% the fault of the rule-breaker, taking away the fact there are so many at least leaves them without an excuse. Also, Britney's "Hay" announcement really needs to be "Hay you guys no clones plox" or something - not a lot of people have looked at it. D:

Angela November 11th, 2009 5:49 AM

I suggest we add a sticky, that has a how to make a trade thread form.. You know so everyone has the same basic layout so things won't seam to confusing...

I also suggest bringing this to the trade section..
http://www.pokecommunity.com/forumdisplay.php?f=185
I mean it's been a while and VIP's don't seam to be using it...

PokemonLeagueChamp November 11th, 2009 5:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Angela (Post 5310861)
I suggest we add a sticky, that has a how to make a trade thread form.. You know so everyone has the same basic layout so things won't seam to confusing...

Most threads have the same basic layout. Plus, we don't want threads to all be set up the same. How they are set up makes them unique and attract traders.
What we need is a thread telling noobs not to post threads that should be in the quick trade thread. Maybe a minimum inventory for a seperate thread, like 12 pokes.

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Originally Posted by elheroeoscuro (Post 5310083)
Technically, that should be the problem of the person in charge of their thread. All they have to do to fix the problem of people asking them about the terminology is place the abbreviations near the top of their thread and indicate what each means. Simple.

That shouldn't have to our concern. If someone doesn't know the terminology, they need to go look it up. I don't know about the rest of you, but I don't want to make my thread's first post longer with definitions, most of which I already know. Personally, I prefer the idea of a stickied thread with definitions.


At any rate, what are your ideas, Ursula? I'd like to know what may be coming.

shiny arceus November 11th, 2009 7:31 AM

I support the Idea of making the hack check thread, but only with trusted people of PC... I want to check most of my pokemon to make sure they are trully legit...

thomascallaghan November 11th, 2009 7:43 AM

Oh yeah theres a problem in a hack thread will thry steal your pokes :/

TwilightBlade November 11th, 2009 7:51 AM

tl;dr
Main points
  • No to terminology thread; traders can provide a key
  • Yes to revise/consolidate rules; specifically, reinforce Quick Trade use and no cloning services (announcement hardly does justice)
  • Yes to blacklist, possibly added with Event sticky
  • No to hack check services, as it is similar to offering cloning (may lead to scamming)
    • However, I could see both if designated and trustworthy members offer services instead of anyone (how to determine this?)
  • No to thread layout; a rule suggesting providing enough information is sufficient
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Originally Posted by TheAppleFreak (Post 5309729)
I personally suggest creating a terminology thread; during my time here (which hasn't been so long...), I've seen a whole bunch of people who don't know what some of the more commonly used terms are or mean. Having a thread that describes what each term means could help out a bit.

I agree with elheroeoscuro; the thread manager(s) can easily create a key to remedy confusion. The trader is responsible for being clear with his or her business. Also, not everyone uses the standard terminology. For example, you can express CMT as CML too, or Special Attack as SpA or SpAtk and whatnot. The jargon may change everyday for all we know (in reality, slang is totally changing too), and that would be a hassle to keep up and update.

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Originally Posted by de_darkrai (Post 5310163)
Quick Trade Thread looks messy....and there's a lot of topics(expired)

I agree with how messy Trade Corner can be, but what can mods really do if Quick Trade gets 10 new posts a day and there are hundreds of dead topics? In addition, old topics are not pruned, and they are not a problem until they are bumped, which is rare. Let dead topics rot. I still use my dead topics for reference, haha.

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Originally Posted by Greene1516 (Post 5310730)
I think there should be a system to stop the countless idiots who intentionally post new threads for quick trades thinking they will get a trade faster that way. There should also be a blacklist section for those who have been repeatedly reported for scamming.

Can such a forum feature that asks, "If you are trading less than 5 Pokemon, would you like your post to be redirected to the Quick Trade?" or whatever, be implemented at a low price, I am in... I do not know vB's features. :/

I like the blacklist idea (I started working on a hacked OT/ID list back in '08, which was never updated afterward... Speaking of UPDATES, hint hint event hint :x). Oh, it is difficult to update such things, but I think that these would serve more purpose than a terminology thread, which most do know the general terms (UT, EV, etc).

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Originally Posted by thomascallaghan (Post 5310774)
Not sure if this is too good an Idea But A "I need a Hack test" Sticky
A way to get impartial observers to hack test your pokemon
I had a Trade with greene that went wrong This inspired me to make it xP still need the pokemon Hack tested as it looks legit apart from date
it would be Real Useful to some people and earn others lods of respect for giving their time to Hack test pokemon

You may ask someone if your Pokemon looks legit or not in the Question sticky in the main DPPt forums; however, if you mean a literal hack check, then just as with cloning services, the other person can ask to "borrow" your Pokemon and possibly scam you. A thread like that is not wise, as it may attract scammers. Also, hack checking programs, such as legit.exe, are not perfect, and hatched Pokemon are difficult to check. Either way, to hack check, an external device is used, and such hacking services are prohibited publicly. Thus, request said service in your sig... D:

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Originally Posted by Moriarty (Post 5310853)

As for my suggestions...I would suggest consolidating the three rules/hacks threads into one. A common excuse for breaking the rules in the TC seems to be "there are so many rules threads I got bored reading them", which whilst is 100% the fault of the rule-breaker, taking away the fact there are so many at least leaves them without an excuse. Also, Britney's "Hay" announcement really needs to be "Hay you guys no clones plox" or something - not a lot of people have looked at it. D:[/FONT]

Haha, I honestly skimmed the rules and I behave. :3 Although the rules should be combined as one thread, I believe that the events should remain separate simply for being a HUGE post. Text walls already intimidate newbies, so let's keep the two mighty posts separate. I like Anthony La's layout for his sticky; huge bold header for a concise rule and a brief explanation below. Key rules that must be enforced are using the Quick Trade when necessary and no cloning services (Britney's announcement is not clear, lol).

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Originally Posted by Angela (Post 5310861)
I suggest we add a sticky, that has a how to make a trade thread form.. You know so everyone has the same basic layout so things won't seam to confusing...

I also suggest bringing this to the trade section..
http://www.pokecommunity.com/forumdisplay.php?f=185
I mean it's been a while and VIP's don't seam to be using it...

Dat's a secreet!!! :(

I can see a rule emphasizing traders to provide at least species, nature, and level (while something like, "I have most Pokemon, PM me" is prohibited for ambiguity), but not every trader needs to provide OT, IVs, EVs, ribbons, etc. Thus, a basic layout cannot apply to all. Honestly, I like seeing different styled threads; as what pokemonleaguechamp said, the layout illustrates how dedicated and creative a trader is while making the shop aesthetically appealing, aka, more customers.

And that's about my standpoint on the Trade Corner. =3=

PokemonLeagueChamp November 11th, 2009 8:47 AM

I'm not sure an 100% ban on hack checks and cloning is best. Some may need such services. As far as cloning goes, the ban will send newer users in the AR zone to clone, from where there may sprout hacked Pokes that will spread over PC. Then we'll need that hack check thread.
These things should be allowed, but only from more trusted traders like Moriarty or ckn. That's just what I think

Pokémon Ranger ✩ Moriarty November 11th, 2009 8:59 AM

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Originally Posted by pokemonleaguechamp (Post 5311266)
I'm not sure an 100% ban on hack checks and cloning is best.

I agree on the Hack-Checking front. Users are forever looking around for somebody to check their Pokémon, and there are only a few users who know how to check properly for such things. Having some official people, who are willing and OK-d to Hack-Check by the mods, would be a great system IMHO.

El Héroe Oscuro November 11th, 2009 9:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Moriarty (Post 5311295)
I agree on the Hack-Checking front. Users are forever looking around for somebody to check their Pokémon, and there are only a few users who know how to check properly for such things. Having some official people, who are willing and OK-d to Hack-Check by the mods, would be a great system IMHO.

First off, just like to state thank you to Twilight Blade for backing me up on the Terminology Topic (good man!)

Anyway on the Hack-Checking topic. It might just be better that instead of banning hack-checking and what not the mods just make a sticky on how to hack check pokemon. That way, people will be able to follow step by step on how to hack check their pokemon.

Cloning can't be banned, even if you try. People will obviously still clone their pokemon even if the mods say theres a "ban on cloning". Just look at what mods say about offering cloning services in their threads! People still do it, and no offense to the mods or anything, but threads that were started six months still have cloning services.

I do back up a Blacklist on people who make "Searching for x Pokemon" Threads without going in the Quick Trade Thread. They're just stupid ._.

SCV058 November 11th, 2009 9:36 AM

What if people who make threads that belong in quick trade get banned from PC until they donate some money xD

Charizard★ November 11th, 2009 9:38 AM

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Originally Posted by SCV058 (Post 5311411)
What if people who make threads that belong in quick trade get banned from PC until they donate some money xD

I don't see the point in that idea. it would make them less likely to come to PC ever again.

SCV058 November 11th, 2009 9:39 AM

Well, if they don't come back they won't be cluttering up the place will they?

Greene1516 November 11th, 2009 9:42 AM

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Originally Posted by SCV058 (Post 5311411)
What if people who make threads that belong in quick trade get banned from PC until they donate some money xD

That's pretty much scam and blackmail.

Charizard★ November 11th, 2009 9:44 AM

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Originally Posted by SCV058 (Post 5311421)
Well, if they don't come back they won't be cluttering up the place will they?

Still, that would be a bad idea in many ways.

SCV058 November 11th, 2009 9:44 AM

You know it was not a completely serious suggestion........

de_darkrai November 11th, 2009 3:12 PM

Agreed with those suggestions...

and BTW,Maybe Mods should create a topic called "Hack Check Thread".I can help that with my knowledge,XD...

professor plum November 11th, 2009 4:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greene1516 (Post 5310730)
I think there should be a system to stop the countless idiots who intentionally post new threads for quick trades thinking they will get a trade faster that way. There should also be a blacklist section for those who have been repeatedly reported for scamming.

Yes, we've got a perfect way to prevent the former ;)

And, I'll discuss the latter.

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Originally Posted by Angela (Post 5310861)
I also suggest bringing this to the trade section..
http://www.pokecommunity.com/forumdisplay.php?f=185
I mean it's been a while and VIP's don't seam to be using it...

It's not done yet, dear. :|

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I would suggest consolidating the three rules/hacks threads into one.
of course. ^-^

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I agree with elheroeoscuro; the thread manager(s) can easily create a key to remedy confusion. The trader is responsible for being clear with his or her business. Also, not everyone uses the standard terminology. For example, you can express CMT as CML too, or Special Attack as SpA or SpAtk and whatnot. The jargon may change everyday for all we know (in reality, slang is totally changing too), and that would be a hassle to keep up and update.
I was planning on making this a part of a FAQ, but if you guys think otherwise.. :\

As for a hack check thread, well.
It can be done by posting all the stats, can't it? ):
I mean, if further testing needs to be done, but in general one can tell XD;

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You know it was not a completely serious suggestion........
If it's not serious, then please don't post it. :|

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and BTW,Maybe Mods should create a topic called "Hack Check Thread".I can help that with my knowledge,XD...
Possibly. Eventually.

What I want to do? Me? ^-^;
Well, to say the least, I think in order to reform a section in such a way that's absolute, it is best to nip it at the bud.
Otherwise, you're just going to have the same problems sprouting up. v-v;

And, yes, I plan on making.. well not a template for creating trade threads, but definite guidelines. ;)

El Héroe Oscuro November 11th, 2009 7:47 PM

This might sound like a ridiculous idea, but is it possible to make like a "Spotlight" for "Trade Thread of the Month"? Like, a thread has to get x amount of nominations and then people vote on what they believe is the best thread of the month based on activity and what not (sort of like the ROM Designing, how they have a Hack Showcase). There could be like a Hall of Fame that displays threads. I think this is a cool idea, but thats just me.

Or we could just make a Hall of Fame for threads that hit a specific amount of posts. Considering how if a thread is inactive for over a month and is as successful as "Professor Bob's Breeding Center", shouldn't it still be remembered then it dissapearing/deleted?. Just throwing some ideas out there :3

PokemonLeagueChamp November 12th, 2009 3:13 AM

Well, I really don't see what the point of that would be. I think it would wind up only reflecting how many posts or trades in a thread and not its design.
And aren't there already thread guidelines?

El Héroe Oscuro November 12th, 2009 3:20 AM

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Originally Posted by pokemonleaguechamp (Post 5313394)
Well, I really don't see what the point of that would be. I think it would wind up only reflecting how many posts or trades in a thread and not its design.
And aren't there already thread guidelines?

It doesn't have to just be activity, it can be based on design also.Usually a good designed and well thought-out layout gets a good number of posts anyway.

Pokémon Ranger ✩ Moriarty November 12th, 2009 4:46 AM

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Originally Posted by elheroeoscuro (Post 5313401)
It doesn't have to just be activity, it can be based on design also.Usually a good designed and well thought-out layout gets a good number of posts anyway.

In the Other Chat forum they run a "Member of the Month" thing where a thread is created and you vote within that thread for your member, stating why you're voting for them. Perhaps the Trade Corner could run a similar idea? It would just make it feel more of a community and less a place where nobody really knows anybody else unless they do a trade with them. But that might just be my socialist side showing. xP

Greene1516 November 12th, 2009 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Moriarty (Post 5313437)
In the Other Chat forum they run a "Member of the Month" thing where a thread is created and you vote within that thread for your member, stating why you're voting for them. Perhaps the Trade Corner could run a similar idea? It would just make it feel more of a community and less a place where nobody really knows anybody else unless they do a trade with them. But that might just be my socialist side showing. xP

In a place where 50% of the posters intentionally break rules and try to scam others it wouldn't work out so well. The trade forums are unfortunately the part of the forums that get the most idiots, which really sucks because there are some awesome traders here.

On the note of the hack check thread, I don't see anyone can possibly get scammed. You don't need to actually trade the Pokemon to get it checked as just by being in the trade room or entering the data here someone can get full access to all necessary data without actually taking the Pokemon. It just isn't possible for someone to get scammed and I know how it all goes 'cause I hack check for people here all the time.

Pokémon Ranger ✩ Moriarty November 12th, 2009 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Greene1516 (Post 5313989)
It just isn't possible for someone to get scammed and I know how it all goes 'cause I hack check for people here all the time.

I disagree; people are scammed all the time, from newbies to experienced traders. You state that you hack-check for people - well, if all people are supposed to know exactly what to expect in a Pokémon, why do you have to check for them?

A hack-thread would be helpful, but if it's an issue on space I'm still all for a terminology thread. Several people have PM'd me to ask for details on certain terminology - they didn't want to ask on my thread itself because they're scared of being jumped on for being idiots. Which does happen on this forum.

SCV058 November 12th, 2009 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Moriarty (Post 5313999)
I disagree; people are scammed all the time, from newbies to experienced traders. You state that you hack-check for people - well, if all people are supposed to know exactly what to expect in a Pokémon, why do you have to check for them?

A hack-thread would be helpful, but if it's an issue on space I'm still all for a terminology thread. Several people have PM'd me to ask for details on certain terminology - they didn't want to ask on my thread itself because they're scared of being jumped on for being idiots. Which does happen on this forum.

I agree- I recieve many posts on such terminology as well as PMs.
As a suggestion, what if a seperate sub-forum was created so that those who have popular, well-made trade threads, and are known to be trustworthy, (i.e. Moriarity, Greene, Conan, meself, etc.) have their threads placed there so people don't have to sort through dead and junky posts to get to them.
New threads can be put somewhere else until they become proven and are moved with the other trade threads.

Pokémon Ranger ✩ Moriarty November 12th, 2009 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by SCV058 (Post 5314005)
I agree- I recieve many posts on such terminology as well as PMs.
As a suggestion, what if a seperate sub-forum was created so that those who have popular, well-made trade threads, and are known to be trustworthy, (i.e. Moriarity, Greene, Conan, meself, etc.) have their threads placed there so people don't have to sort through dead and junky posts to get to them.
New threads can be put somewhere else until they become proven and are moved with the other trade threads.

Or maybe once a thread reaches a benchmark (500 posts plus, say) it gets moved to that sub-forum? Otherwise if it's just an issue of popularity, other 'good' threads from good users could be overlooked.

SCV058 November 12th, 2009 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Moriarty (Post 5314009)
Or maybe once a thread reaches a benchmark (500 posts plus, say) it gets moved to that sub-forum? Otherwise if it's just an issue of popularity, other 'good' threads from good users could be overlooked.

500 + ...
I might say a little less, like 300+
I think thats still pretty reasonable because those other junk threads would never reach even that far...

Pokémon Ranger ✩ Moriarty November 12th, 2009 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by SCV058 (Post 5314028)
500 + ...
I might say a little less, like 300+
I think thats still pretty reasonable because those other junk threads would never reach even that far...

Very true. Most junk threads seem to hit 10 and then drop to the bottom.

Oh, and I forgot to add, Ursula - I think having basic guidelines would be great. So many threads are laid out in so many different ways that it's easy to get confused. :]

El Héroe Oscuro November 12th, 2009 11:52 AM

I don't honestly believe theres any need for a sub-forum for other threads. Can you explain again why we should use them?

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Originally Posted by Greene1516 (Post 5313989)
In a place where 50% of the posters intentionally break rules and try to scam others it wouldn't work out so well. The trade forums are unfortunately the part of the forums that get the most idiots, which really sucks because there are some awesome traders here.

On the note of the hack check thread, I don't see anyone can possibly get scammed. You don't need to actually trade the Pokemon to get it checked as just by being in the trade room or entering the data here someone can get full access to all necessary data without actually taking the Pokemon. It just isn't possible for someone to get scammed and I know how it all goes 'cause I hack check for people here all the time.

That is why you would have to be nominated by possibly five people to be put in the ballot.

Pokémon Ranger ✩ Moriarty November 12th, 2009 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by elheroeoscuro (Post 5314042)
I don't honestly believe theres any need for a sub-forum for other threads. Can you explain again why we should use them?

The Trade Centre is currently swamped with 'junk threads' - either threads created in error (should have been in the Quick Trade thread, for example) or threads which die pretty easily and sink. But these threads saturate the other, more 'popular' threads and push them onto pages two or three, despite the fact that the most they'll do is, say, ten trades. (Normally it's the thread creator who lets them die, as well - they'll either VM or PM their offers to people, and so the thread sinks due to inactivity.)

I only joined PC two months ago so I can guarantee that it's pretty confusing when you first wander in and are hit by a wall of threads. So maybe it would be nice to have a sub-forum of the more 'serious' threads, or traders who have been around for a while (and who are actually going to stick around for a while longer) and who are known to be trusted, or who tend to deal in more rare Pokémon. Sort of like having department stores and flea markets in any town or city.

El Héroe Oscuro November 12th, 2009 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Moriarty (Post 5314061)
The Trade Centre is currently swamped with 'junk threads' - either threads created in error (should have been in the Quick Trade thread, for example) or threads which die pretty easily and sink. But these threads saturate the other, more 'popular' threads and push them onto pages two or three, despite the fact that the most they'll do is, say, ten trades. (Normally it's the thread creator who lets them die, as well - they'll either VM or PM their offers to people, and so the thread sinks due to inactivity.)

I only joined PC two months ago so I can guarantee that it's pretty confusing when you first wander in and are hit by a wall of threads. So maybe it would be nice to have a sub-forum of the more 'serious' threads, or traders who have been around for a while (and who are actually going to stick around for a while longer) and who are known to be trusted, or who tend to deal in more rare Pokémon. Sort of like having department stores and flea markets in any town or city.

Alright. Theres still really no need for an unneccesary sub-forum. A.) The mods will get rid of the mistaken threads and B.) All you have to do to bring your thread back to the front page is bump it. Also, theres really no way to tell which threads are serious and which are not. A successful thread owner can continue for weeks and then quit suddenly.

SCV058 November 12th, 2009 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Moriarty (Post 5314061)
The Trade Centre is currently swamped with 'junk threads' - either threads created in error (should have been in the Quick Trade thread, for example) or threads which die pretty easily and sink. But these threads saturate the other, more 'popular' threads and push them onto pages two or three, despite the fact that the most they'll do is, say, ten trades. (Normally it's the thread creator who lets them die, as well - they'll either VM or PM their offers to people, and so the thread sinks due to inactivity.)

I only joined PC two months ago so I can guarantee that it's pretty confusing when you first wander in and are hit by a wall of threads. So maybe it would be nice to have a sub-forum of the more 'serious' threads, or traders who have been around for a while (and who are actually going to stick around for a while longer) and who are known to be trusted, or who tend to deal in more rare Pokémon. Sort of like having department stores and flea markets in any town or city.

An excellent explanation of what I am talking about.
And Moriarty drop by my Emporium there is a post that concerns you

Pokémon Ranger ✩ Moriarty November 12th, 2009 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by elheroeoscuro (Post 5314074)
Alright. Theres still really no need for an unneccesary sub-forum. A.) The mods will get rid of the mistaken threads and B.) All you have to do to bring your thread back to the front page is bump it. Also, theres really no way to tell which threads are serious and which are not. A successful thread owner can continue for weeks and then quit suddenly.

Hmmm, very true. But it was just a suggestion; Ursula asked for ideas and so SCV058 put one forward and I backed it. Its her decision overall. The only thing I'm really gunning for, like I said, is a terminology thread. :]

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Originally Posted by SCV058 (Post 5314079)
An excellent explanation of what I am talking about.
And Moriarty drop by my Emporium there is a post that concerns you

OH NOOOOO WHAT DID I DO D:

SCV058 November 12th, 2009 12:10 PM

Ah, nothing.... yet
Is there something I should know about (=

El Héroe Oscuro November 12th, 2009 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Moriarty (Post 5314080)
Hmmm, very true. But it was just a suggestion; Ursula asked for ideas and so SCV058 put one forward and I backed it. Its her decision overall. The only thing I'm really gunning for, like I said, is a terminology thread. :]

I'm not trying to call you out or anything if it seems like that, I'm just providing solutions to the problems at hand. I'm still backing up my claim for a "Hall of Fame" for Trades :3

Pokémon Ranger ✩ Moriarty November 12th, 2009 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by elheroeoscuro (Post 5314097)
I'm not trying to call you out or anything if it seems like that, I'm just providing solutions to the problems at hand. I'm still backing up my claim for a "Hall of Fame" for Trades :3

I like that idea too. It would make the TC feel more like a community.

dr4g0n12 November 14th, 2009 12:25 AM

Most people here that are new dont even take time to read the rules, even if it says read before posting. I know this because i have made this mistake.

LilacLust November 14th, 2009 2:00 AM

we should have a kinda GTS, where there is a long list of offers and wants :)

Pave Low November 14th, 2009 2:08 AM

I think that their should be a Pokemon Donation thread. Here people can donate some of their unwanted Pokemon and other people can have them. People who have obtained a Pokemon from the donator can train them and really take care of them. The donator could make a post of his unwanted Pokemon and someone will ask for them or a few of them. It would be easier than a giveaway aswell...

dr4g0n12 November 14th, 2009 2:35 AM

Cloning should be allowed. Everyone was happy when it was

Pave Low November 14th, 2009 2:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dr4g0n12 (Post 5318348)
Cloning should be allowed. Everyone was happy when it was

You should really write some reasons, the staff aren't gonna be lured in just with this...

PokemonLeagueChamp November 14th, 2009 4:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Demolition (Post 5318359)
You should really write some reasons, the staff aren't gonna be lured in just with this...

I can give reasons.
1. Because everyone clones their own Pokes anyway.
2. Because frequent traders know who is trustworthy for such things.
3. Because some may need help because they don't know how to clone.

Pokémon Ranger ✩ Moriarty November 14th, 2009 5:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pokemonleaguechamp (Post 5318445)
I can give reasons.
1. Because everyone clones their own Pokes anyway.
2. Because frequent traders know who is trustworthy for such things.
3. Because some may need help because they don't know how to clone.

4. I would rather see clones of legitimate Pokémon out there than out-and-out hacks.

El Héroe Oscuro November 14th, 2009 7:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Demolition (Post 5318326)
I think that their should be a Pokemon Donation thread. Here people can donate some of their unwanted Pokemon and other people can have them. People who have obtained a Pokemon from the donator can train them and really take care of them. The donator could make a post of his unwanted Pokemon and someone will ask for them or a few of them. It would be easier than a giveaway aswell...

Just wondering, you say donate pokemon but who would hold these pokemon? Are you just stating that your telling the person to write down what your donating and that the person must Vm/Pm you for it? Sounds a little bit of a hassle haha.

Quote:

Originally Posted by dr4g0n12 (Post 5318348)
Cloning should be allowed. Everyone was happy when it was

Technically, cloning is allowed, but you can't offer cloning services in your thread. I mean, you clone pokemon to offer to your customers, but you just can't say in your thread "Hey everybody, I'm offering cloning services, gimmee your pokemon!". Besides, everyone does cloning in secracy, and I honestly don't think that the mods are going to overule the "Cloning" rule even with those points your making

Just adding one more quick thing. They do allow it, if you've read the rules:
Cloning threads...
To avoid users from being stolen Pokémon, it's now against the rules to create cloning threads, so such threads will be closed instantly. If you see a thread offering to clone Pokémon, DO NOT ACCEPT, because that's the easiest way to steal Pokémon. Instead, report the thread. If you want someone to clone you a Pokémon, you may ask it through PM, but remember this is at your own risk, so make sure it's someone you know well. You may also not sneak cloning services into your threads. We WILL find it and remove it.
Also, if someone offers you to clone Pokémon, never accept it from a new member

dr4g0n12 November 14th, 2009 11:27 AM

cloning services should be allowed.

TwilightBlade November 15th, 2009 1:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elheroeoscuro (Post 5318863)
Just wondering, you say donate pokemon but who would hold these pokemon? Are you just stating that your telling the person to write down what your donating and that the person must Vm/Pm you for it? Sounds a little bit of a hassle haha.

Actually, there once was a member operated donation center found here. Several members held and distributed the Pokemon. It was shut down because it was spreading hacks. I did enjoy it, although it ruins the trade market if trader A could get a Pokemon for free, thus ruining trader B's business if he/she also has a similar Pokemon. Why trade for a shiny Mewtwo when you can get one for free, hm?

Unless this is already implemented, I believe that anyone who responds to a bad/reported post should be warned. Guys, just report and ignore. Stop minimodding and intimidating newbies. :)

Greene1516 November 17th, 2009 10:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Team Fail (Post 5328001)
I thought of a few ideas that might help the Trade threads:
1. Trusted Traders thread.
There should be a Sticky Thread of trusted traders. Although it seems like a bad idea, there are certain conditions that must be met. For example:
i. Have at least a 5-star rating from 20 different members
ii. Have a set amount of posts, like 450, to recommend a person
iii. Recommendations by satisfied traders that can give a good report on why they deserve to be on the list
iv. The overall quality of the trader's past and current threads (ie. Services, types of Pokémon offered, appearance of the thread, etc.)

One is impossible as you can only see a traders average rating and only a single trader here has a five average AFAIK. Two is bad criteria since most bad traders and hackers have a lot of SPAM in their posts and tend to conduct trades there rather than via VM. Three is good. Four is asking too much of the mods as it will take a lot of unnecessary research.

The blacklist is a much easier idea to execute than this, plus if there was a thread like this people would tend to trade with these people and no one else, whereas with a blacklist people will trade with anyone except those on the list.

Might I add on the issue of stopping people posting quick trades as full threads, how about adding a 1 point infraction for someone who does it a second time after having their first thread already moved and warned.

Chains November 17th, 2009 10:38 PM

I would like to see a PC Blacklist...
With two sections one for Disconnectors in the Battle Threads, and one for the Trade forum for Hackers and Liars ( Lying about IV's/EV's/Nature ) Or people Distributing others stuff without permission
EDIT: Maybe even a Thread like "Is my Pokemon Hacked?" So people unsure if there pokemon is hacked or not can post there and ask if there pokemon is hacked or not, would also be helpfull to get rid of some hacks in threads.......
EDIT2: I Also think you should be Able to Double Post in your Threads, that way youll be able to Update it with new things you catch/breed. I know this is a problem for me as i catch 2 or 3 things a day and if i update my thread it still stays on page 3 or so :/
Anybody else think that?

SCV058 November 18th, 2009 5:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chains (Post 5330652)
I would like to see a PC Blacklist...
With two sections one for Disconnectors in the Battle Threads, and one for the Trade forum for Hackers and Liars ( Lying about IV's/EV's/Nature ) Or people Distributing others stuff without permission
EDIT: Maybe even a Thread like "Is my Pokemon Hacked?" So people unsure if there pokemon is hacked or not can post there and ask if there pokemon is hacked or not, would also be helpfull to get rid of some hacks in threads.......
EDIT2: I Also think you should be Able to Double Post in your Threads, that way youll be able to Update it with new things you catch/breed. I know this is a problem for me as i catch 2 or 3 things a day and if i update my thread it still stays on page 3 or so :/
Anybody else think that?

I think Number 1 falls under the general idea of a hack check thread- its possible to asks about hacks but its hard to prove without checking.

Number 2 - I have also had this issue often- but how can we prevent people from abusing it to constantly bump their own threads?

Chains November 18th, 2009 7:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SCV058 (Post 5330936)
I think Number 1 falls under the general idea of a hack check thread- its possible to asks about hacks but its hard to prove without checking.

Number 2 - I have also had this issue often- but how can we prevent people from abusing it to constantly bump their own threads?

Well its not really hard to tell something's hacked, ive already found a few hacks people gave Juupton (like 5) And well as long as they have something good to update it with they can double post ie they just cant update it with a random bidoof catch...
And it doesnt count to post count so i see no porblem with it :/

SCV058 November 18th, 2009 7:44 AM

People can have differing opinions on what is a good post....

stavross November 18th, 2009 7:47 AM

i liked the blacklist idea. many hackers are blacklisted from the most of the shops already so why not to have a forum blacklist?

Chains November 18th, 2009 8:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SCV058 (Post 5331044)
People can have differing opinions on what is a good post....

And? Its not that hard to just listen to a Rule and the Rule would be You can only Update "good" Pokemon. Or here this is better idea If your Thread is on the First Page you cannot Update it, but if its on any other Page you can Double Post and Update it that sounds better.

Quote:

Originally Posted by stavross (Post 5331049)
i liked the blacklist idea. many hackers are blacklisted from the most of the shops already so why not to have a forum blacklist?

Yea i agree, there should be an Official Blacklist, not just a Blacklist on Trade Threads because that means i would have to check every Tarde Thread to see who hacks or not...... And if your on the Official Blacklist you cannot have a Trade Thread does anybody like that? It would help get rid of some hackers.....

SCV058 November 18th, 2009 8:03 AM

[QUOTE=Chains;5331064]And? Its not that hard to just listen to a Rule and the Rule would be You can only Update "good" Pokemon. Or here this is better idea If your Thread is on the First Page you cannot Update it, but if its on any other Page you can Double Post and Update it that sounds better.


The first page rule is a good idea-
Though some people do have trouble reading rules...

El Héroe Oscuro November 18th, 2009 8:59 AM

One thing I have been fighting for since Day 1 of my time here on PC is being able to edit your thread title yourself. Its just a hassle in my opinion for the person himself to go and find a moderator who is online and to ask him/her to edit your thread title. It also makes me feel noobish a little bit ._. This whole concept is a trust issue I believe on using vulgar in your title, but that could be in regular posts anyway. Does anyone else back up the idea that we should be able to edit our thread titles ourselves?

thomascallaghan November 18th, 2009 9:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elheroeoscuro (Post 5331132)
One thing I have been fighting for since Day 1 of my time here on PC is being able to edit your thread title yourself. Its just a hassle in my opinion for the person himself to go and find a moderator who is online and to ask him/her to edit your thread title. It also makes me feel noobish a little bit ._. This whole concept is a trust issue I believe on using vulgar in your title, but that could be in regular posts anyway. Does anyone else back up the idea that we should be able to edit our thread titles ourselves?

YES eh-hem I mean certainly It would be so much eisier and faster
anyone being an idiot would get a infraction simple as

dr4g0n12 November 18th, 2009 10:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dr4g0n12 (Post 5319466)
cloning services should be allowed.

i still think this
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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chains (Post 5330652)
I would like to see a PC Blacklist...
With two sections one for Disconnectors in the Battle Threads, and one for the Trade forum for Hackers and Liars ( Lying about IV's/EV's/Nature ) Or people Distributing others stuff without permission
EDIT: Maybe even a Thread like "Is my Pokemon Hacked?" So people unsure if there pokemon is hacked or not can post there and ask if there pokemon is hacked or not, would also be helpfull to get rid of some hacks in threads.......
EDIT2: I Also think you should be Able to Double Post in your Threads, that way youll be able to Update it with new things you catch/breed. I know this is a problem for me as i catch 2 or 3 things a day and if i update my thread it still stays on page 3 or so :/
Anybody else think that?

a blacklist is a horrible idea.
if someone creates a thread asking for a single trade (or any common mistake made by newcomers), they would get made fun of like this:
Quote:

HAHA! U R A NOOB!!
Not a lot of people like to be made fun of like that, do they?

Griffinbane November 20th, 2009 10:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dr4g0n12 (Post 5333109)
a blacklist is a horrible idea.
if someone creates a thread asking for a single trade (or any common mistake made by newcomers), they would get made fun of like this:

Not a lot of people like to be made fun of like that, do they?

No one really gets blacklisted for doing a stupid mistake like that unless that person is being unbearably rude and the one doing the blacklisting is really...something.

I'm all for a general blacklist. Many of the more active/older? threads here tend to have some of the same people blacklisted over and over, especially when word gets out about what really happened. If there was a general blacklist for scammers and hackers, then we'll see a potential shrink in personal blacklists in threads, now reserved for rude and annoying people. Furthermore, with a trade-wide blacklist, everyone will know who to watch out for and get an idea to who is trustworthy.

Chains November 20th, 2009 10:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dr4g0n12 (Post 5333109)
i still think this
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a blacklist is a horrible idea.
if someone creates a thread asking for a single trade (or any common mistake made by newcomers), they would get made fun of like this:

Not a lot of people like to be made fun of like that, do they?

They wouldnt be Blacklisted for stupid things they would be Put on the Blacklist for Trading Hacked Pokemon multiple Times, and there would also be another part to the Blacklist thats for Disconnectors, i think its a good idea to add to the Blacklist because who wants to Battle someone that DC's?

El Héroe Oscuro November 20th, 2009 3:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chains (Post 5336259)
They wouldnt be Blacklisted for stupid things they would be Put on the Blacklist for Trading Hacked Pokemon multiple Times, and there would also be another part to the Blacklist thats for Disconnectors, i think its a good idea to add to the Blacklist because who wants to Battle someone that DC's?

You can't prove the reason why a person disconnects, it could be possible that the person's internet connection is just horrible, or that the person had to leave the house at that time; if you declare he's wrong and your wrong, then you just look like a fool.

Blacklisting will just end up as a failure because if I was Blacklisted, I would just make myself another account. Its that simple to get around it.

Chains November 20th, 2009 3:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elheroeoscuro (Post 5336914)
You can't prove the reason why a person disconnects, it could be possible that the person's internet connection is just horrible, or that the person had to leave the house at that time; if you declare he's wrong and your wrong, then you just look like a fool.

Blacklisting will just end up as a failure because if I was Blacklisted, I would just make myself another account. Its that simple to get around it.


There is a Run Buttont you know? So if they have to leave they can simply click Run, and if they knew they were going t oleave before hand then they shouldnt be battleing.........
And sometimes there are obvious Disconnects, like if theres no lag and theres 3 bars through the whole battle and they DC then thats an obvious DC so i dont know what your talking about
And this is from the Rules
You are not allowed to register accounts to create an illusion of more than one person.
Also known as "sock puppetry", you may not use another account to vote on a poll or back up an argument, mislead other members, or evade a ban. Evasion of a ban, in particular may, depending on the offences a member commits, result in punishments such as the ban time being doubled and/or the timer reset. This does not prohibit having multiple accounts (for yourself or individuals in your family) in general. We will ban all accounts used for ban evasion without question.

Diabolico November 20th, 2009 4:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chains (Post 5330652)
I would like to see a PC Blacklist...
With two sections one for Disconnectors in the Battle Threads, and one for the Trade forum for Hackers and Liars ( Lying about IV's/EV's/Nature ) Or people Distributing others stuff without permission
EDIT: Maybe even a Thread like "Is my Pokemon Hacked?" So people unsure if there pokemon is hacked or not can post there and ask if there pokemon is hacked or not, would also be helpfull to get rid of some hacks in threads.......
EDIT2: I Also think you should be Able to Double Post in your Threads, that way youll be able to Update it with new things you catch/breed. I know this is a problem for me as i catch 2 or 3 things a day and if i update my thread it still stays on page 3 or so :/
Anybody else think that?

Well...... I agree on part of what Chains says. But if someone is a newbie on this site, if they are just learning, doesn't understand about hacking or other rules, and if they are victums of trading with other players who are hackers; I would say we help them, teach them, and give them a few chances when they are just learning.

El Héroe Oscuro November 21st, 2009 10:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chains (Post 5336976)
There is a Run Buttont you know? So if they have to leave they can simply click Run, and if they knew they were going t oleave before hand then they shouldnt be battleing.........
And sometimes there are obvious Disconnects, like if theres no lag and theres 3 bars through the whole battle and they DC then thats an obvious DC so i dont know what your talking about
And this is from the Rules
You are not allowed to register accounts to create an illusion of more than one person.
Also known as "sock puppetry", you may not use another account to vote on a poll or back up an argument, mislead other members, or evade a ban. Evasion of a ban, in particular may, depending on the offences a member commits, result in punishments such as the ban time being doubled and/or the timer reset. This does not prohibit having multiple accounts (for yourself or individuals in your family) in general. We will ban all accounts used for ban evasion without question.

I'm talking about if say you had to go on vacation, and your parents are yelling at you to get in the car. You immediately shut off your DS, therefore DC'ing with your opponent. The opponent then gets pissed off because there was no explanation why the person DC, plus he was winning, so he goes and tells a Mod to get the person blacklisted over DC. Person comes back week later, finds that he has been blacklisted.

On the account. Even though there is a rule for this, there is still no way that it will hold people back making a duplicate account (I know a few people who have done this). There is no way for an Admin to track this, plus if there was, you could say just go downstairs on your parents computer and make an account.

Ochigi November 21st, 2009 10:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elheroeoscuro (Post 5338846)
I'm talking about if say you had to go on vacation, and your parents are yelling at you to get in the car. You immediately shut off your DS, therefore DC'ing with your opponent. The opponent then gets pissed off because there was no explanation why the person DC, plus he was winning, so he goes and tells a Mod to get the person blacklisted over DC. Person comes back week later, finds that he has been blacklisted.

On the account. Even though there is a rule for this, there is still no way that it will hold people back making a duplicate account (I know a few people who have done this). There is no way for an Admin to track this, plus if there was, you could say just go downstairs on your parents computer and make an account.

That's true.You can only leave for like a week or how long if ur going on vacation and say ur leaving for (how long) and PM a mod or administrator for the forum.

Greene1516 November 21st, 2009 11:10 AM

A few notes, firstly, elhero there is a way to rack multiple accounts, it's called an IP ban.

Secondly, blacklist enitely should be in though there should be certain criteria so that it remains fair.

I also think there should be a blacklist for hacked Pokemon too, not just hackers. We all know that thanks to certain big trade threads that don't ever check what they trade, a lot of hacks get redistributed a lot around PC and sometimes when a particular hack is uncovered and distributed widely, it would be good to have a thread that says if you have this POkemon, know it is a hack. The DerekC Gallade from the summer is a good example, the thread would say something like:

Gallade Level 100 Adamant
OT: DerekC
ID: 06378
Moves: Shaodw Sneak, LEaf Blade, Close Combat, Swords Dance
etc

Ochigi November 21st, 2009 11:13 AM

My Gallade is lv 100,Adamant and's OT is DerekC
lol.

Greene1516 November 21st, 2009 11:14 AM

You have a hacked Gallade then. The moves I used in that example were made up as an example, but the OT level and nature weren't.

El Héroe Oscuro November 21st, 2009 11:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greene1516 (Post 5338886)
A few notes, firstly, elhero there is a way to rack multiple accounts, it's called an IP ban.

Secondly, blacklist enitely should be in though there should be certain criteria so that it remains fair.

I also think there should be a blacklist for hacked Pokemon too, not just hackers. We all know that thanks to certain big trade threads that don't ever check what they trade, a lot of hacks get redistributed a lot around PC and sometimes when a particular hack is uncovered and distributed widely, it would be good to have a thread that says if you have this POkemon, know it is a hack. The DerekC Gallade from the summer is a good example, the thread would say something like:

Gallade Level 100 Adamant
OT: DerekC
ID: 06378
Moves: Shaodw Sneak, LEaf Blade, Close Combat, Swords Dance
etc

Haha, I think that was actually my fault that the Gallade even got on this site. Got it from another site and brought it here >.<

I think I understand a little bit on the IP Ban. A computer has a specific IP, so if a person notices it has the same number then anothers, then they're duplicate accounts. But thats the only problem though. Would an Admin/Moderator actually look at each and every new account to find a match? Unless they specifically ban the IP Adress from the beginning when they ban the person, it doesn't seem likely.

SCV058 November 22nd, 2009 1:53 PM

IP Ban won't work either- ever heard of a proxy site?
Anyways, something needs to be done about the massive bombarding on people who don't read the rules-its starting to get bad..like ten threads have been made today like that, and some by people who have been told not to repeatedly.

yankeesrule3526 November 22nd, 2009 3:01 PM

Proxy Sites can easily be identified by the staff.

El Héroe Oscuro November 22nd, 2009 7:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SCV058 (Post 5342408)
IP Ban won't work either- ever heard of a proxy site?
Anyways, something needs to be done about the massive bombarding on people who don't read the rules-its starting to get bad..like ten threads have been made today like that, and some by people who have been told not to repeatedly.

I honestly don't remember if this is true, but isn't it when you join PC you get sent a PM from the main Admin welcoming you to the site? A cure for this problem could be that in the already made PM a list of links to all the rules of each forum of the site. That way, people can glance quickly through the desired forum.

blackwell November 23rd, 2009 1:18 PM

I got one quit moving my damn thread just a suggestion.

Chains November 23rd, 2009 1:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackwell (Post 5344658)
I got one quit moving my damn thread just a suggestion.

If it was moved it was obviously moved for a reason, and im sure the staff had a reason -__-

Also so this isnt spam im suggesting a RNG Help thread? I know this isnt Smogon but a few people could need some help with it........ Is there anyone else here that knows how besides me though?

blackwell November 23rd, 2009 1:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chains (Post 5344725)
If it was moved it was obviously moved for a reason, and im sure the staff had a reason -__-

Also so this isnt spam im suggesting a RNG Help thread? I know this isnt Smogon but a few people could need some help with it........ Is there anyone else here that knows how besides me though?


Im waiting for a reason but they keep moving my trade thread to the quick trades Ill just keep thowing it up until I get a reason.

Griffinbane November 23rd, 2009 1:42 PM

Mate, it's because your trade thread isn't well...big enough to warrant a thread of its own. Threads that are the size of yours is more a quick trade post.

Chains November 23rd, 2009 1:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackwell (Post 5344735)
Im waiting for a reason but they keep moving my trade thread to the quick trades Ill just keep thowing it up until I get a reason.

Thats not really a smart thing to do....... your just gunna get yourself an infraction :/

SCV058 November 23rd, 2009 1:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackwell (Post 5344735)
Im waiting for a reason but they keep moving my trade thread to the quick trades Ill just keep thowing it up until I get a reason.

Thats a nice attitude to go through life with.

An RNG help thread..might be a pretty good idea but since Smogon has one, why not incorporate a PokeRadar chaining help thread?
That might be helpful to some people who can't chain (ME!!)

blackwell November 23rd, 2009 1:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chains (Post 5344754)
Thats not really a smart thing to do....... your just gunna get yourself an infraction :/


I dont care at least Id get a reason.

Chains November 23rd, 2009 1:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SCV058 (Post 5344756)
Thats a nice attitude to go through life with.

An RNG help thread..might be a pretty good idea but since Smogon has one, why not incorporate a PokeRadar chaining help thread?
That might be helpful to some people who can't chain (ME!!)

Yeah but some mebers here arent members of smogon and once again this isnt smogon :/
And i see no point in chaining shinies.... It takes way less time breeding one or RNG Catching one imo but thats just me... Unless your trying to find your SID but that can be found using an AR or Poke.sav but yes it would be helpfull for those that cant RNG or have access to AR or poke.sav so yeah it would be a nice thread

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackwell (Post 5344760)
I dont care at least Id get a reason.

Well good luck with infractions :D

Painter November 23rd, 2009 1:50 PM

i also think that an RNG help thread would be good but only if we have enough members good at it

Chains November 23rd, 2009 1:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Painter (Post 5344781)
i also think that an RNG help thread would be good but only if we have enough members good at it

Thats the problem i seen.... I (not trying to be cocky or anything) but im the only person on here that i know of that can.... and i dont think a thread can be managed by 1 person!

Griffinbane November 23rd, 2009 1:53 PM

Now that I've seen your "thread" blackwell, I can tell you exactly why it got put into quick trade. It has very little to no layout, you've only got 9 pokemon available to trade with no info on any of them, it's not very clear exactly what you're trading and, though it's optional, you don't have any clear objects that you are looking for. Expand your collection before you put up a thread and consider how you want it to look.

Back on topic, a pokeradar help thread would be nice but I'm not sure if it would generate enough posts to warrant its own thread. But yeah, it would be nice. I need help chaining as well. My chains always break in the twenties and thanks to that, I can't RNG even if I tried. D:

Edit: Sniped. 3 times. Twice by one person. Oww, the pain! >.>

Actually, I know that there are at least 3 people here who RNG. Two I know by name. The first doesn't have a thread here and her collection of pokemon is more or less the reverse of mine with superior stats. >.>
The second, I believe her thread has sunk by now and she is no longer as active. But as far as I can remember, she was more interested in events and her regular RNG'd pokemon were mainly shinies and quite a few were given away free. Um, yeah, random ramblings by me. <.<

Greene1516 November 23rd, 2009 4:56 PM

Using the ridiculous "I can do whatever I want" attitude of Blackwell above as a perfect example I further push that there are 1-2 point infractions given for people who persist to break rules they have already been told off for, especially posting in the wrong place. The mods are always very clear on why they close threads and on the occasions they are not it is usually because there are already a barrage of posts by members saying "use the quick trade".

SCV058 November 23rd, 2009 6:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greene1516 (Post 5345511)
Using the ridiculous "I can do whatever I want" attitude of Blackwell above as a perfect example I further push that there are 1-2 point infractions given for people who persist to break rules they have already been told off for, especially posting in the wrong place. The mods are always very clear on why they close threads and on the occasions they are not it is usually because there are already a barrage of posts by members saying "use the quick trade".

Hear Hear!!
Hoo Rah!!

Not to mention it wastes the mods time when they might like to do something else. I mean sure they are there to enforce rules but after so many of the same people doing the same stuff it might get a bit tiring..

PokemonLeagueChamp November 24th, 2009 3:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greene1516 (Post 5345511)
Using the ridiculous "I can do whatever I want" attitude of Blackwell above as a perfect example I further push that there are 1-2 point infractions given for people who persist to break rules they have already been told off for, especially posting in the wrong place. The mods are always very clear on why they close threads and on the occasions they are not it is usually because there are already a barrage of posts by members saying "use the quick trade".

Greene has spoken!
Maybe there should be a light approval to trade threads. Traders offering a minimum of say, 15 pokes, can have threads. Those with quick trades get moved to quick trade thread.

Greene1516 November 24th, 2009 1:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pokemonleaguechamp (Post 5346412)
Greene has spoken!
Maybe there should be a light approval to trade threads. Traders offering a minimum of say, 15 pokes, can have threads. Those with quick trades get moved to quick trade thread.

I personally think it is a good idea, but more mods would need to be assigned to the trade section to make it viable.

professor plum November 24th, 2009 2:43 PM

Quote:

cloning services should be allowed.
Not gonna happen.
Quote:

Might I add on the issue of stopping people posting quick trades as full threads, how about adding a 1 point infraction for someone who does it a second time after having their first thread already moved and warned.
No.
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One thing I have been fighting for since Day 1 of my time here on PC is being able to edit your thread title yourself. Its just a hassle in my opinion for the person himself to go and find a moderator who is online and to ask him/her to edit your thread title. It also makes me feel noobish a little bit ._. This whole concept is a trust issue I believe on using vulgar in your title, but that could be in regular posts anyway. Does anyone else back up the idea that we should be able to edit our thread titles ourselves?
Not my choice - that's something only administrators can change. I'll see what they think.

Blacklists, eh? Hmm.

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Blacklisting will just end up as a failure because if I was Blacklisted, I would just make myself another account. Its that simple to get around it.
Your FC would be noted though. n_n;

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On the account. Even though there is a rule for this, there is still no way that it will hold people back making a duplicate account (I know a few people who have done this). There is no way for an Admin to track this, plus if there was, you could say just go downstairs on your parents computer and make an account.
Clearly you've never heard of IP addresses u_u;

Greene1516 November 24th, 2009 2:49 PM

Odd that you disagree with infracting people for intentionally disobeying the rules over and over when people get infracted for alot less, i.e. not posting 25 letters in posts.

El Héroe Oscuro November 24th, 2009 3:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Ursula (Post 5347642)

Your FC would be noted though. n_n;


Clearly you've never heard of IP addresses u_u;

1.) By FC do you mean your Pokemon FC, because people could easily change it in the game.

2.)...Sadly, thats true that I don't know much about IP addresses. I'm a quick learner though ^_^

Xebelleon November 24th, 2009 4:36 PM

A "directory system" to differentiate between:

~ Breeder / egg move only threads
~ EV'd / IV'd trade threads
~ "I have event Pokemon" trade threads
~ 'Items can be found here' threads
~ respected by the respected

Considering this rule of thread limitation per person, a "directory" may aid in tracking. I know I wouldn't want a dozen pages worth of one persons threads to be my fault.

Griffinbane November 24th, 2009 4:57 PM

The problem with that is, most people who open threads tend to be in more than 1 of those categories. It's difficult to sort out threads because of that. The only way I can think of is to have people state what is their main focus on the top of their threads.

ckn November 24th, 2009 5:02 PM

may i sugest that people opening up shops with EVd pokes or bred pokes are any pokemon besides events unless that event has valuable IVs, that they should post the pokes IVs? it kinda helps others grasp and understanding at first glance instead of multiple questioning?

Chains November 24th, 2009 5:53 PM

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Originally Posted by ckn (Post 5348219)
may i sugest that people opening up shops with EVd pokes or bred pokes are any pokemon besides events unless that event has valuable IVs, that they should post the pokes IVs? it kinda helps others grasp and understanding at first glance instead of multiple questioning?


OMG YES!!!! It should be a rule for you to post all IV's!!!!!! Not only will it tell you if the poks is hacked or not (ie some Iv combinations for legendaries are illegal, which means there hacked) And on smogon this is a rule. I know this isnt Smogon but you should still have to list all IV's!!!! I do!

SCV058 November 24th, 2009 6:01 PM

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Originally Posted by pokemonleaguechamp (Post 5346412)
Greene has spoken!
Maybe there should be a light approval to trade threads. Traders offering a minimum of say, 15 pokes, can have threads. Those with quick trades get moved to quick trade thread.

What about those that run breeding shops? I run one and I have less than 15 pokes actually listed. Should exceptions be made to such a shop?

Of course that could cause an issue with people opening up breeding shops that really are worthless and junk for spam, so perhaps there should be some guidelines? Any ideas?


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