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dr4g0n12 November 14th, 2009 11:27 AM

cloning services should be allowed.

TwilightBlade November 15th, 2009 1:34 PM

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Originally Posted by elheroeoscuro (Post 5318863)
Just wondering, you say donate pokemon but who would hold these pokemon? Are you just stating that your telling the person to write down what your donating and that the person must Vm/Pm you for it? Sounds a little bit of a hassle haha.

Actually, there once was a member operated donation center found here. Several members held and distributed the Pokemon. It was shut down because it was spreading hacks. I did enjoy it, although it ruins the trade market if trader A could get a Pokemon for free, thus ruining trader B's business if he/she also has a similar Pokemon. Why trade for a shiny Mewtwo when you can get one for free, hm?

Unless this is already implemented, I believe that anyone who responds to a bad/reported post should be warned. Guys, just report and ignore. Stop minimodding and intimidating newbies. :)

Greene1516 November 17th, 2009 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Team Fail (Post 5328001)
I thought of a few ideas that might help the Trade threads:
1. Trusted Traders thread.
There should be a Sticky Thread of trusted traders. Although it seems like a bad idea, there are certain conditions that must be met. For example:
i. Have at least a 5-star rating from 20 different members
ii. Have a set amount of posts, like 450, to recommend a person
iii. Recommendations by satisfied traders that can give a good report on why they deserve to be on the list
iv. The overall quality of the trader's past and current threads (ie. Services, types of Pokémon offered, appearance of the thread, etc.)

One is impossible as you can only see a traders average rating and only a single trader here has a five average AFAIK. Two is bad criteria since most bad traders and hackers have a lot of SPAM in their posts and tend to conduct trades there rather than via VM. Three is good. Four is asking too much of the mods as it will take a lot of unnecessary research.

The blacklist is a much easier idea to execute than this, plus if there was a thread like this people would tend to trade with these people and no one else, whereas with a blacklist people will trade with anyone except those on the list.

Might I add on the issue of stopping people posting quick trades as full threads, how about adding a 1 point infraction for someone who does it a second time after having their first thread already moved and warned.

Chains November 17th, 2009 10:38 PM

I would like to see a PC Blacklist...
With two sections one for Disconnectors in the Battle Threads, and one for the Trade forum for Hackers and Liars ( Lying about IV's/EV's/Nature ) Or people Distributing others stuff without permission
EDIT: Maybe even a Thread like "Is my Pokemon Hacked?" So people unsure if there pokemon is hacked or not can post there and ask if there pokemon is hacked or not, would also be helpfull to get rid of some hacks in threads.......
EDIT2: I Also think you should be Able to Double Post in your Threads, that way youll be able to Update it with new things you catch/breed. I know this is a problem for me as i catch 2 or 3 things a day and if i update my thread it still stays on page 3 or so :/
Anybody else think that?

SCV058 November 18th, 2009 5:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Chains (Post 5330652)
I would like to see a PC Blacklist...
With two sections one for Disconnectors in the Battle Threads, and one for the Trade forum for Hackers and Liars ( Lying about IV's/EV's/Nature ) Or people Distributing others stuff without permission
EDIT: Maybe even a Thread like "Is my Pokemon Hacked?" So people unsure if there pokemon is hacked or not can post there and ask if there pokemon is hacked or not, would also be helpfull to get rid of some hacks in threads.......
EDIT2: I Also think you should be Able to Double Post in your Threads, that way youll be able to Update it with new things you catch/breed. I know this is a problem for me as i catch 2 or 3 things a day and if i update my thread it still stays on page 3 or so :/
Anybody else think that?

I think Number 1 falls under the general idea of a hack check thread- its possible to asks about hacks but its hard to prove without checking.

Number 2 - I have also had this issue often- but how can we prevent people from abusing it to constantly bump their own threads?

Chains November 18th, 2009 7:42 AM

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Originally Posted by SCV058 (Post 5330936)
I think Number 1 falls under the general idea of a hack check thread- its possible to asks about hacks but its hard to prove without checking.

Number 2 - I have also had this issue often- but how can we prevent people from abusing it to constantly bump their own threads?

Well its not really hard to tell something's hacked, ive already found a few hacks people gave Juupton (like 5) And well as long as they have something good to update it with they can double post ie they just cant update it with a random bidoof catch...
And it doesnt count to post count so i see no porblem with it :/

SCV058 November 18th, 2009 7:44 AM

People can have differing opinions on what is a good post....

stavross November 18th, 2009 7:47 AM

i liked the blacklist idea. many hackers are blacklisted from the most of the shops already so why not to have a forum blacklist?

Chains November 18th, 2009 8:01 AM

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Originally Posted by SCV058 (Post 5331044)
People can have differing opinions on what is a good post....

And? Its not that hard to just listen to a Rule and the Rule would be You can only Update "good" Pokemon. Or here this is better idea If your Thread is on the First Page you cannot Update it, but if its on any other Page you can Double Post and Update it that sounds better.

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Originally Posted by stavross (Post 5331049)
i liked the blacklist idea. many hackers are blacklisted from the most of the shops already so why not to have a forum blacklist?

Yea i agree, there should be an Official Blacklist, not just a Blacklist on Trade Threads because that means i would have to check every Tarde Thread to see who hacks or not...... And if your on the Official Blacklist you cannot have a Trade Thread does anybody like that? It would help get rid of some hackers.....

SCV058 November 18th, 2009 8:03 AM

[QUOTE=Chains;5331064]And? Its not that hard to just listen to a Rule and the Rule would be You can only Update "good" Pokemon. Or here this is better idea If your Thread is on the First Page you cannot Update it, but if its on any other Page you can Double Post and Update it that sounds better.


The first page rule is a good idea-
Though some people do have trouble reading rules...

El Héroe Oscuro November 18th, 2009 8:59 AM

One thing I have been fighting for since Day 1 of my time here on PC is being able to edit your thread title yourself. Its just a hassle in my opinion for the person himself to go and find a moderator who is online and to ask him/her to edit your thread title. It also makes me feel noobish a little bit ._. This whole concept is a trust issue I believe on using vulgar in your title, but that could be in regular posts anyway. Does anyone else back up the idea that we should be able to edit our thread titles ourselves?

thomascallaghan November 18th, 2009 9:04 AM

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Originally Posted by elheroeoscuro (Post 5331132)
One thing I have been fighting for since Day 1 of my time here on PC is being able to edit your thread title yourself. Its just a hassle in my opinion for the person himself to go and find a moderator who is online and to ask him/her to edit your thread title. It also makes me feel noobish a little bit ._. This whole concept is a trust issue I believe on using vulgar in your title, but that could be in regular posts anyway. Does anyone else back up the idea that we should be able to edit our thread titles ourselves?

YES eh-hem I mean certainly It would be so much eisier and faster
anyone being an idiot would get a infraction simple as

dr4g0n12 November 18th, 2009 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by dr4g0n12 (Post 5319466)
cloning services should be allowed.

i still think this
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Originally Posted by Chains (Post 5330652)
I would like to see a PC Blacklist...
With two sections one for Disconnectors in the Battle Threads, and one for the Trade forum for Hackers and Liars ( Lying about IV's/EV's/Nature ) Or people Distributing others stuff without permission
EDIT: Maybe even a Thread like "Is my Pokemon Hacked?" So people unsure if there pokemon is hacked or not can post there and ask if there pokemon is hacked or not, would also be helpfull to get rid of some hacks in threads.......
EDIT2: I Also think you should be Able to Double Post in your Threads, that way youll be able to Update it with new things you catch/breed. I know this is a problem for me as i catch 2 or 3 things a day and if i update my thread it still stays on page 3 or so :/
Anybody else think that?

a blacklist is a horrible idea.
if someone creates a thread asking for a single trade (or any common mistake made by newcomers), they would get made fun of like this:
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HAHA! U R A NOOB!!
Not a lot of people like to be made fun of like that, do they?

Griffinbane November 20th, 2009 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by dr4g0n12 (Post 5333109)
a blacklist is a horrible idea.
if someone creates a thread asking for a single trade (or any common mistake made by newcomers), they would get made fun of like this:

Not a lot of people like to be made fun of like that, do they?

No one really gets blacklisted for doing a stupid mistake like that unless that person is being unbearably rude and the one doing the blacklisting is really...something.

I'm all for a general blacklist. Many of the more active/older? threads here tend to have some of the same people blacklisted over and over, especially when word gets out about what really happened. If there was a general blacklist for scammers and hackers, then we'll see a potential shrink in personal blacklists in threads, now reserved for rude and annoying people. Furthermore, with a trade-wide blacklist, everyone will know who to watch out for and get an idea to who is trustworthy.

Chains November 20th, 2009 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by dr4g0n12 (Post 5333109)
i still think this
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a blacklist is a horrible idea.
if someone creates a thread asking for a single trade (or any common mistake made by newcomers), they would get made fun of like this:

Not a lot of people like to be made fun of like that, do they?

They wouldnt be Blacklisted for stupid things they would be Put on the Blacklist for Trading Hacked Pokemon multiple Times, and there would also be another part to the Blacklist thats for Disconnectors, i think its a good idea to add to the Blacklist because who wants to Battle someone that DC's?

El Héroe Oscuro November 20th, 2009 3:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Chains (Post 5336259)
They wouldnt be Blacklisted for stupid things they would be Put on the Blacklist for Trading Hacked Pokemon multiple Times, and there would also be another part to the Blacklist thats for Disconnectors, i think its a good idea to add to the Blacklist because who wants to Battle someone that DC's?

You can't prove the reason why a person disconnects, it could be possible that the person's internet connection is just horrible, or that the person had to leave the house at that time; if you declare he's wrong and your wrong, then you just look like a fool.

Blacklisting will just end up as a failure because if I was Blacklisted, I would just make myself another account. Its that simple to get around it.

Chains November 20th, 2009 3:47 PM

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Originally Posted by elheroeoscuro (Post 5336914)
You can't prove the reason why a person disconnects, it could be possible that the person's internet connection is just horrible, or that the person had to leave the house at that time; if you declare he's wrong and your wrong, then you just look like a fool.

Blacklisting will just end up as a failure because if I was Blacklisted, I would just make myself another account. Its that simple to get around it.


There is a Run Buttont you know? So if they have to leave they can simply click Run, and if they knew they were going t oleave before hand then they shouldnt be battleing.........
And sometimes there are obvious Disconnects, like if theres no lag and theres 3 bars through the whole battle and they DC then thats an obvious DC so i dont know what your talking about
And this is from the Rules
You are not allowed to register accounts to create an illusion of more than one person.
Also known as "sock puppetry", you may not use another account to vote on a poll or back up an argument, mislead other members, or evade a ban. Evasion of a ban, in particular may, depending on the offences a member commits, result in punishments such as the ban time being doubled and/or the timer reset. This does not prohibit having multiple accounts (for yourself or individuals in your family) in general. We will ban all accounts used for ban evasion without question.

Diabolico November 20th, 2009 4:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chains (Post 5330652)
I would like to see a PC Blacklist...
With two sections one for Disconnectors in the Battle Threads, and one for the Trade forum for Hackers and Liars ( Lying about IV's/EV's/Nature ) Or people Distributing others stuff without permission
EDIT: Maybe even a Thread like "Is my Pokemon Hacked?" So people unsure if there pokemon is hacked or not can post there and ask if there pokemon is hacked or not, would also be helpfull to get rid of some hacks in threads.......
EDIT2: I Also think you should be Able to Double Post in your Threads, that way youll be able to Update it with new things you catch/breed. I know this is a problem for me as i catch 2 or 3 things a day and if i update my thread it still stays on page 3 or so :/
Anybody else think that?

Well...... I agree on part of what Chains says. But if someone is a newbie on this site, if they are just learning, doesn't understand about hacking or other rules, and if they are victums of trading with other players who are hackers; I would say we help them, teach them, and give them a few chances when they are just learning.

El Héroe Oscuro November 21st, 2009 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Chains (Post 5336976)
There is a Run Buttont you know? So if they have to leave they can simply click Run, and if they knew they were going t oleave before hand then they shouldnt be battleing.........
And sometimes there are obvious Disconnects, like if theres no lag and theres 3 bars through the whole battle and they DC then thats an obvious DC so i dont know what your talking about
And this is from the Rules
You are not allowed to register accounts to create an illusion of more than one person.
Also known as "sock puppetry", you may not use another account to vote on a poll or back up an argument, mislead other members, or evade a ban. Evasion of a ban, in particular may, depending on the offences a member commits, result in punishments such as the ban time being doubled and/or the timer reset. This does not prohibit having multiple accounts (for yourself or individuals in your family) in general. We will ban all accounts used for ban evasion without question.

I'm talking about if say you had to go on vacation, and your parents are yelling at you to get in the car. You immediately shut off your DS, therefore DC'ing with your opponent. The opponent then gets pissed off because there was no explanation why the person DC, plus he was winning, so he goes and tells a Mod to get the person blacklisted over DC. Person comes back week later, finds that he has been blacklisted.

On the account. Even though there is a rule for this, there is still no way that it will hold people back making a duplicate account (I know a few people who have done this). There is no way for an Admin to track this, plus if there was, you could say just go downstairs on your parents computer and make an account.

Ochigi November 21st, 2009 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by elheroeoscuro (Post 5338846)
I'm talking about if say you had to go on vacation, and your parents are yelling at you to get in the car. You immediately shut off your DS, therefore DC'ing with your opponent. The opponent then gets pissed off because there was no explanation why the person DC, plus he was winning, so he goes and tells a Mod to get the person blacklisted over DC. Person comes back week later, finds that he has been blacklisted.

On the account. Even though there is a rule for this, there is still no way that it will hold people back making a duplicate account (I know a few people who have done this). There is no way for an Admin to track this, plus if there was, you could say just go downstairs on your parents computer and make an account.

That's true.You can only leave for like a week or how long if ur going on vacation and say ur leaving for (how long) and PM a mod or administrator for the forum.

Greene1516 November 21st, 2009 11:10 AM

A few notes, firstly, elhero there is a way to rack multiple accounts, it's called an IP ban.

Secondly, blacklist enitely should be in though there should be certain criteria so that it remains fair.

I also think there should be a blacklist for hacked Pokemon too, not just hackers. We all know that thanks to certain big trade threads that don't ever check what they trade, a lot of hacks get redistributed a lot around PC and sometimes when a particular hack is uncovered and distributed widely, it would be good to have a thread that says if you have this POkemon, know it is a hack. The DerekC Gallade from the summer is a good example, the thread would say something like:

Gallade Level 100 Adamant
OT: DerekC
ID: 06378
Moves: Shaodw Sneak, LEaf Blade, Close Combat, Swords Dance
etc

Ochigi November 21st, 2009 11:13 AM

My Gallade is lv 100,Adamant and's OT is DerekC
lol.

Greene1516 November 21st, 2009 11:14 AM

You have a hacked Gallade then. The moves I used in that example were made up as an example, but the OT level and nature weren't.

El Héroe Oscuro November 21st, 2009 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Greene1516 (Post 5338886)
A few notes, firstly, elhero there is a way to rack multiple accounts, it's called an IP ban.

Secondly, blacklist enitely should be in though there should be certain criteria so that it remains fair.

I also think there should be a blacklist for hacked Pokemon too, not just hackers. We all know that thanks to certain big trade threads that don't ever check what they trade, a lot of hacks get redistributed a lot around PC and sometimes when a particular hack is uncovered and distributed widely, it would be good to have a thread that says if you have this POkemon, know it is a hack. The DerekC Gallade from the summer is a good example, the thread would say something like:

Gallade Level 100 Adamant
OT: DerekC
ID: 06378
Moves: Shaodw Sneak, LEaf Blade, Close Combat, Swords Dance
etc

Haha, I think that was actually my fault that the Gallade even got on this site. Got it from another site and brought it here >.<

I think I understand a little bit on the IP Ban. A computer has a specific IP, so if a person notices it has the same number then anothers, then they're duplicate accounts. But thats the only problem though. Would an Admin/Moderator actually look at each and every new account to find a match? Unless they specifically ban the IP Adress from the beginning when they ban the person, it doesn't seem likely.

SCV058 November 22nd, 2009 1:53 PM

IP Ban won't work either- ever heard of a proxy site?
Anyways, something needs to be done about the massive bombarding on people who don't read the rules-its starting to get bad..like ten threads have been made today like that, and some by people who have been told not to repeatedly.


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