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SCV058 December 4th, 2009 11:52 AM

Notice that when both those problems occured it was not the thread mods but Super-Mods. I understand perhaps that the thread mods can't be on 24/7, I really do, but it is just plain annoying when something happens and neither of them are on..

I think it further reinforces my requests for additional mods...

PokemonLeagueChamp December 4th, 2009 12:49 PM

I'd have to agree, the section needs more mods. I have rarely seen Horizon on. Most flame-wartorn threads (like many that could've been avoided by just saying "use QTT next time")are dealt with by Ursula. Other times, a super mod gets involved. This section only has 2 mods(only 1 of which is on frequently)and that's why so much flaming goes on without anything being done.

Personally, I disagree with having to post IVs and natures. In my noobiness, I don't know how to find IVs. As far as posting natures for each Poke, it'd just be too much of a bother. How I do things is if you want a Poke's nature, ask and I'll tell you. This seems to work.

Valen December 4th, 2009 1:16 PM

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Originally Posted by pokemonleaguechamp (Post 5371783)
I'd have to agree, the section needs more mods. I have rarely seen Horizon on. Most flame-wartorn threads (like many that could've been avoided by just saying "use QTT next time")are dealt with by Ursula. Other times, a super mod gets involved. This section only has 2 mods(only 1 of which is on frequently)and that's why so much flaming goes on without anything being done.

Personally, I disagree with having to post IVs and natures. In my noobiness, I don't know how to find IVs. As far as posting natures for each Poke, it'd just be too much of a bother. How I do things is if you want a Poke's nature, ask and I'll tell you. This seems to work.

its not a bother to post natures ur lazy no offense as far as ivs goes it is kinda a pain having to post them but i myself might start putting them down

PokemonLeagueChamp December 4th, 2009 1:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Valen (Post 5371849)
its not a bother to post natures ur lazy no offense as far as ivs goes it is kinda a pain having to post them but i myself might start putting them down

Ya, it's a bother especially if you breed like me and have to list natures of 15 different Pokes of the same species.

professor plum December 5th, 2009 9:12 AM

Well, you could just list the natures by a Pokemon indicating you have like x Pokemon available in the following natures.

Detox December 5th, 2009 9:33 AM

I think we need an official blacklist around here...ive been getting to many trades or attempted trades from members I found out were hackers. We could Just sticky a thread and update it when needed....Just so people wont get scammed, traded hacks or anything of the sort.

Neptune December 5th, 2009 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by -Kairyu (Post 5374094)
I think we need an official blacklist around here...ive been getting to many trades or attempted trades from members I found out were hackers. We could Just sticky a thread and update it when needed....Just so people wont get scammed, traded hacks or anything of the sort.

I totally agree.
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ckn December 5th, 2009 6:30 PM

things we need around here and need to make rules in my opinion.

1. Sticky blacklist
2. Threads need to post natures
3. Threads need to post IV's
4. More than 2 mods

IMO i think adding these rules will make this place more classy and sophistacated. The way this place is now it's more of a breeding grounds for idiots/annoying traders and hackers. we have few ground rules, i understand that you guys want this place to be more of a friendly/not stuck-up trading grounds but to be honest sometimes more rules are needed to make things run better and so that childish people wont take advantage of the leeway you give them.

Chains December 5th, 2009 7:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ckn (Post 5375396)
things we need around here and need to make rules in my opinion.

1. Sticky blacklist
2. Threads need to post natures
3. Threads need to post IV's
4. More than 2 mods

IMO i think adding these rules will make this place more classy and sophistacated. The way this place is now it's more of a breeding grounds for idiots/annoying traders and hackers. we have few ground rules, i understand that you guys want this place to be more of a friendly/not stuck-up trading grounds but to be honest sometimes more rules are needed to make things run better and so that childish people wont take advantage of the leeway you give them.

100% Agree with you on this one and everything you said. Blacklist is needed to show all the hackers around here, you could add there FC beside it to show that its them and then if they make a new acount you can always tell by there IP Adress *cough* its gunna be a long list * cough* Natures and IV's are the most important info to a Pokemon, Most of these people have trade threads and then later to find out i find out they have an Illegal IV Combination, this would prevent so many Hacks around here because everything is just traded around.... And i cant stress how many times i have seen such obvious hacks such as 3rd Generation Shiny Raikou/Suicune/Entei/Lugia/Rayquayza/Ho-Oh now some of these are legit to get bar the legendary dogs but i doubt they are and i cant tell because no-one lists Natures/EV's/IV's anybody get my point and see how important these are? And for competitive battlers IV's show how good the Pokemon and its maximum stat will be...
More then two mods would be nice also, because so many threads go unnoticed and then a flame war starts and theres no Mod to lock it..... And in CKN's last part i agree as well this place looks childish and noobish not competitive, And the Threads are full of people that just say i have shiny _____ or ill trade you a Latias * Hello IV's Please!!!!! * And yes people here get way too much leeway, they'll trade a hack and then they will be like oh it wasnt my fault someone else traded it to me or i didnt know, i think thats (Insert Swareword here) And you should only get 1 chance and thats the problem, and people just trade anything here you should make sure that everything is legit and if it doesnt come as your OT take further precaution to this its that simple, thats all i have to say and all this i have said is the reason i have closed my thread, i know this isnt smogon but come on some info/rules are needed

El Héroe Oscuro December 6th, 2009 6:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chains (Post 5375564)
100% Agree with you on this one and everything you said. Blacklist is needed to show all the hackers around here, you could add there FC beside it to show that its them and then if they make a new acount you can always tell by there IP Adress *cough* its gunna be a long list * cough* Natures and IV's are the most important info to a Pokemon, Most of these people have trade threads and then later to find out i find out they have an Illegal IV Combination, this would prevent so many Hacks around here because everything is just traded around.... And i cant stress how many times i have seen such obvious hacks such as 3rd Generation Shiny Raikou/Suicune/Entei/Lugia/Rayquayza/Ho-Oh now some of these are legit to get bar the legendary dogs but i doubt they are and i cant tell because no-one lists Natures/EV's/IV's anybody get my point and see how important these are? And for competitive battlers IV's show how good the Pokemon and its maximum stat will be...
More then two mods would be nice also, because so many threads go unnoticed and then a flame war starts and theres no Mod to lock it..... And in CKN's last part i agree as well this place looks childish and noobish not competitive, And the Threads are full of people that just say i have shiny _____ or ill trade you a Latias * Hello IV's Please!!!!! * And yes people here get way too much leeway, they'll trade a hack and then they will be like oh it wasnt my fault someone else traded it to me or i didnt know, i think thats (Insert Swareword here) And you should only get 1 chance and thats the problem, and people just trade anything here you should make sure that everything is legit and if it doesnt come as your OT take further precaution to this its that simple, thats all i have to say and all this i have said is the reason i have closed my thread, i know this isnt smogon but come on some info/rules are needed

Yeah, I agree on most of this stuff. Iv's are going to be a pain in the ass for me though; I have to reduce Ev's on over 240 Pokemon -_-" But I'm going to do this feat because hopefully people will look at me as an example and it will show that it can be done, but it will just take some time out of your day.

Users should always post Natures on their pokemon, their really shouldn't be any if's or but's about it. Maybe Breeding would be the only exception, but that can easily be fixed by giving a mass quantity of say Calm Mareeps x10 or something.

Blacklisting is alright I guess, but I don't really believe that we need it for Trainers. Maybe it could be possible that there is a Blacklisting for Pokemon instead? I honestly don't give a hoot about hackers because it shows that they have to cheat to gain success.

Lastly, we do need more Moderators swarming the forum. Nothing personally against you Ursula (:3), but I don't think that you should have the whole duty on yourself. Thats all I believe in.

Detox December 6th, 2009 8:54 AM

A blacklist for pokemon would be s bit too long don't you think? Users would be a heck of a lot easier

Chains December 6th, 2009 1:12 PM

Yea i think if there were to be a Blacklist (which there should) It should be listed by Username
Like this
Username
There Friend Code
The Reason why
Blacklist would get rid of Hackers here and instead of people flaming in threads about hacks they could just post it there :/ But seriously the other day i found out TwilightBlade was trading two hacked Pokemon, and nothing was done, nothing but take them off your thread please, thats rediculous, if you trade hacks your thread should be closed and you shouldnt be able to make a new one, you are responsible for what you trade

Diabolico December 6th, 2009 1:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chains (Post 5377404)
Yea i think if there were to be a Blacklist (which there should) It should be listed by Username
Like this
Username
There Friend Code
The Reason why
Blacklist would get rid of Hackers here and instead of people flaming in threads about hacks they could just post it there :/ But seriously the other day i found out TwilightBlade was trading two hacked Pokemon, and nothing was done, nothing but take them off your thread please, thats rediculous, if you trade hacks your thread should be closed and you shouldnt be able to make a new one, you are responsible for what you trade

I agree part of what you all say. People are responsible for what they trade and they should be more careful on what they trade just like the smogoners said they should, However, I disagree on what the said and what they do. When players like me, my friends, every member on this site, and you guys are victums trading with players who are the original hackers, we should help the victums (instead of the hackers who own the hacks), give them chances, allow them to make refunds with us, and teach them to be aware of the hacked pokemon they're offering. Just like chains, my friends, all the members of the PC, and the moderators helped me to be aware of the hacked pokemon. That's why we all come this site, right? Because this site has players who are more friendly than smogon. Smogon maybe a reliable site, but the smogoners should give people a chance even if they are newbies. If we all want to make PC a better site, we have to help players to be more careful on what they trade and learn to be aware of hacked pokemon, because we all don't want to be the kind of people who treat people exactly how the smogoners do, Right?

Detox December 6th, 2009 1:47 PM

We should also have a guide discussing RNG and how it is not hacking -.-

Diabolico December 6th, 2009 1:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by -Kairyu (Post 5377561)
We should also have a guide discussing RNG and how it is not hacking -.-

Hmmm..... I think agree with Kairyu on this one as well.

Detox December 6th, 2009 1:51 PM

I mean, You can RNG legends, and random pokemon. Not just the ones you breed -.-

professor plum December 6th, 2009 3:39 PM

Well, I wouldn't mind having a blacklist, but everyone makes mistakes now and then. I mean, one can be an excellent trader, and then, accidentally, a hacked Pokemon comes under radar. I mean, if it's not intentional, then I understand and one shouldn't be blacklisted for that.
However, if one is intentionally scamming members by trading hacked Pokemon repeatedly, then yes, it's a bad thing.
On that note, it's also possible for one to merely lie about whether or not they knew a Pokemon was hacked or not. So.. yeah D:

However, I don't think that a person's reputation from another forum should carry over - that was there, this is here. Sure, there's a possibility that they could do it here, but there's also a chance they've changed. ):

Hmm. What do you guys think? :)

Edit to Add: And guys, keep in mind, PC is PC. It's not BMGf, SPPf, or Smogon. :)

No, you fail December 6th, 2009 3:43 PM

I would like a Hack-Checking Sticky.

It's not like you assume where one person says they will hack-check your pokemon and they trade it over and 50% of the time get scammed.

The person who wants their pokemon hack-checked post all the information about the pokemon in the thread and one of the seasoned traders here confirms to them whether their pokemon is legit or not.

This is already going on in the DCC and a sticky for it would just reduce SPAM and encourage members unsure about their pokemon to get it hack-checked therefore getting rid of hacks in members trade threads.

Chains December 6th, 2009 3:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by -Kairyu (Post 5377579)
I mean, You can RNG legends, and random pokemon. Not just the ones you breed -.-

I see a RNG Thread as a good idea, but i dont know who would help others other then myself...... And yes you can RNG Wild Pokemon and Legends my old thread is proof of that and legends are easy too, Basically you can RNG Abuse anything Wondercards, Gift Pokemon such as the Eevee Bebe gives you or the Starter Pokemon the Professer gives you, and you can even RNG Abuse Fossil Pokemon......

Detox December 6th, 2009 4:45 PM

Ursula, maybe if you don't want to make a blacklst of hacked pokemon instead? People could report them and you just update the first post.

We could just use smogons RNG guide and give them credit like a bunch of other forums do.

Make new prefixes like

Event shop

EV'd Shop

Breeder shop

mixed shop

or something to help people determine what kind of shop they will click on

Painter December 6th, 2009 4:47 PM

Quote:

Ursula, maybe if you don't want to make a blacklst of hacked pokemon instead? People could report them and you just update the first post.
personally i think that would be a bad idea
it would be way to long and get out of hand

Detox December 6th, 2009 4:57 PM

Well what else are we going to do with all the hacked pokemon around here?

Chains December 6th, 2009 5:00 PM

How about a Blacklist with a Point System
Heres how it would work
First time you get caught trading hacks no amtter who it came form or if you knew or not You would be given a Warning and given 1 Point
The second time you are caught trading hacks you will recieve another Point and that would put you onto the Blacklist because you were already given a warning
If there is a Third time you will recieve 1 more point and that makes 3 a Mod locks your thread and you get put onto the Blacklist and arent allowed to make another trade thread..... Opinions?

So heres what it would be

Username
Friend Code
Points
1: Reason
2: Reason
3: Reason

Detox December 6th, 2009 5:03 PM

And you earn points if a member reports you on the blacklist as doing x? Thats actually a good idea....

Instead of not letting them make another thread though, maybe ban them from making one until x amount of time is up? and then if they dont stop ban all threads by them permanently.

Painter December 6th, 2009 5:05 PM

i like that
nice idea chains =)


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