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Jesus oƒ Suburbia November 14th, 2009 5:00 AM

It's Official: Water Found on the Moon.
 
Anybody remember how NASA was planning to 'drill' into the moon?
Well it's official now, they've got what they wanted, they've struck frozen water with the impact.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33912611/ns/technology_and_science-space/

What are your thoughts on this, think it's a step towards progress?
Or are there way too many other factors in effect to sustain life on the Moon?

Correct me if I've got something wrong.

Stronkadonk November 14th, 2009 5:02 AM

I heard about this yesterday. Kinda reminds me of Dan Brown's Deception Point for all who have read it. I really don't care what they do up there, because I will never - NEVER - go up there. Something bad is bound to happen, plus, I like to be down here on Earth, where we have GRAVITY and WARMTH. The moon is too cold and too lightweight for me.

♣Gawain♣ November 14th, 2009 5:05 AM

Well there is one. The "extremes", as what scientist would say. There are complications when establishing moon bases, the cost, and the time and sacrifice it would take to make it there.

There may be water there, but it could sustain us there? For how long? The best bet for colonization is Mars.

Jesus oƒ Suburbia November 14th, 2009 5:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Doctor Richtofen (Post 5318528)
I heard about this yesterday. Kinda reminds me of Dan Brown's Deception Point for all who have read it. I really don't care what they do up there, because I will never - NEVER - go up there. Something bad is bound to happen, plus, I like to be down here on Earth, where we have GRAVITY and WARMTH. The moon is too cold and too lightweight for me.

For now perhaps.....

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Originally Posted by benthekid (Post 5318535)
did u know as a random fact,god belivers dont belive in gravity

Some might beg to differ.
But how is it related to this?

The Moon might turn out to be a very nice place, IMO.

Spherical Ice November 14th, 2009 6:43 AM

HAI RUSEL T DAIVEES I FINK U SHUD RENAIM IT 2 TEH WATRZ OF TEH MUN!

Sorry.
Anyway, so they found ice. Was it round? What does that matter? Why would we move to the Moon, anyway? What's wrong with Earth?

I'm confused.

TRIFORCE89 November 14th, 2009 6:58 AM

I'll be interested when they put a pool on the moon.

Lambo November 14th, 2009 6:58 AM

I've seen it on google i wasn't interested

Swift! November 14th, 2009 7:11 AM

I saw it earlier today. Just shrugged it off. Lol.

Miz en Scène November 14th, 2009 7:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Doctor Richtofen (Post 5318528)
I heard about this yesterday. Kinda reminds me of Dan Brown's Deception Point for all who have read it. I really don't care what they do up there, because I will never - NEVER - go up there. Something bad is bound to happen, plus, I like to be down here on Earth, where we have GRAVITY and WARMTH. The moon is too cold and too lightweight for me.

Contrary to popular belief, the mooon does indeed have Gravity. Objects on the moon weigh in at around 16.7% of what they weigh on Earth. The moon also has warmth. Seeing as the moon and earth are the same distance from the sun, they receive the same amount of heat. Coupled with the moon's lack of an atmospheric layer, it's actually fairly warm on the moon. It should be noted that temperatures drop during lunar nights.

Back to the topic, I believe that we can now finally begin to take our first steps to conquering the Galaxyinterplanetary exploration. Once a base has been established on the moon, we can use the moons lower gravity to launch rockets to mars with less fuel required for take-off.

The Moon Rocks!(pun intended)

Corvus of the Black Night November 14th, 2009 7:32 AM

"It's like saying 'we're almost to Disneyland' when you pull out of the driveway."

Pokémon Ranger ✩ Moriarty November 14th, 2009 7:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Doctor Richtofen (Post 5318528)
I heard about this yesterday. Kinda reminds me of Dan Brown's Deception Point for all who have read it. I really don't care what they do up there, because I will never - NEVER - go up there. Something bad is bound to happen, plus, I like to be down here on Earth, where we have GRAVITY and WARMTH. The moon is too cold and too lightweight for me.

*high-five* I love Dan Brown's Deception Point. The writing was sloppier than Angels & Demons (his best book IMHO) but I liked the plot better.

Anyway, on topic: I think it's kind-of exciting, really, but I don't expect anything to come from it. I recently attended a lecture with an ex-BBC Science Correspondent and Rick Stroud (it was at the Cheltenham Literature Festival, and they were both promoting their new books) and both of them were adamant that we should concentrate on exploring the moon instead of heading out into deeper space, which I agree with - but again, I don't think we'll find a lot. It's exciting all the same though.

/long rambly.

TheAppleFreak November 14th, 2009 7:53 AM

If they honestly think that they can build a moon base now that they found water there, I'll point out one possible occurance: A little kid of an astronaut is playing with something, and he throws it. It crashes into a window and fractures the glass. The decreased level of protection causes the other layers of glass to crack from the pressure, and a hole into space is formed. The vacuum of space sucks everything in the base outside, and everyone dies. The end.

Corvus of the Black Night November 14th, 2009 7:57 AM

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Originally Posted by TheAppleFreak (Post 5318924)
If they honestly think that they can build a moon base now that they found water there, I'll point out one possible occurance: A little kid of an astronaut is playing with something, and he throws it. It crashes into a window and fractures the glass. The decreased level of protection causes the other layers of glass to crack from the pressure, and a hole into space is formed. The vacuum of space sucks everything in the base outside, and everyone dies. The end.

I think we found a positive person here!

Chaos Uxie November 14th, 2009 8:14 AM

yeah right life sustainable on the moon??!?!?!?!thats one thing that mankind wont be able to do i guarantee u that

GengarNightmare November 14th, 2009 8:51 AM

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Originally Posted by TheAppleFreak (Post 5318924)
If they honestly think that they can build a moon base now that they found water there, I'll point out one possible occurance: A little kid of an astronaut is playing with something, and he throws it. It crashes into a window and fractures the glass. The decreased level of protection causes the other layers of glass to crack from the pressure, and a hole into space is formed. The vacuum of space sucks everything in the base outside, and everyone dies. The end.

lol wut? Since they would use the same glass that the windows on your house are made of......./sarcasm
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Originally Posted by benthekid (Post 5318933)
and god belivers dont belive in space or dinosaurs

in a nutshell they don't believe in science.so my post is not of topic

Oh, but it is. The topic is: "It's Official, Water Found on the Moon", NOT "It's Official, TEH cHRistiANS DonT LeiK TEh sCEInce LOLZ."
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Originally Posted by Viceroy Gawain (Post 5318537)
There may be water there, but it could sustain us there? For how long? The best bet for colonization is Mars.

^Finally, a post that makes sense. I think the hope is that putting a base on the moon will make it easier to get to Mars, but I'm not sure if it's worth the money. All they spend on a base could be spent building on Mars to begin with. You want water? Mars has plenty of it.

Corvus of the Black Night November 14th, 2009 8:51 AM

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Originally Posted by benthekid (Post 5318933)
and god belivers dont belive in space or dinosaurs

in a nutshell they don't believe in science.so my post is not of topic

Thanks for proving to us that you're a closed minded prick. Moving on now...

/troll

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Originally Posted by friendly_trainer (Post 5318978)
yeah right life sustainable on the moon??!?!?!?!thats one thing that mankind wont be able to do i guarantee u that

Yeah, I know, right? Just like we can't possibly have life in volcanic craters or pools of sulfur or the very tips of the atmosphere...

Wait! Life DOES exist there, it's just that it's very primitive!

D: OMIGOSH NOWAI

Jesus oƒ Suburbia November 14th, 2009 9:17 AM

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Originally Posted by GengarNightmare (Post 5319078)
Oh, but it is. The topic is: "It's Official, Water Found on the Moon", NOT "It's Official, TEH cHRistiANS DonT LeiK TEh sCEInce LOLZ."

^Finally, a post that makes sense. I think the hope is that putting a base on the moon will make it easier to get to Mars, but I'm not sure if it's worth the money. All they spend on a base could be spent building on Mars to begin with. You want water? Mars has plenty of it.

1.Thanks for pointing that out to him my good Sir. ;D
2:
It won't help a lot, since you would have to take out time and effort to develop a base on the moon, the distance isn't too much so I would say to direct all that capital and effort into planning a direct route to Mars.

Tacogeddon November 14th, 2009 10:07 AM

Oh you crazy carbon-based bipeds and your water.

Stronkadonk November 14th, 2009 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by TRIFORCE89 (Post 5318787)
I'll be interested when they put a pool on the moon.

Hot tub. I will go when there's a hot tub on the moon.

GengarNightmare November 14th, 2009 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Christian's Inferno (Post 5319134)

1.Thanks for pointing that out to him my good Sir. ;D

Someone needed to.....
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It won't help a lot, since you would have to take out time and effort to develop a base on the moon, the distance isn't too much so I would say to direct all that capital and effort into planning a direct route to Mars.
Kinda what I thought. Which spawns the question, "What's the big deal, then?" Why would they need a base and/or water on the moon?

It's a rock.
A big rock.
Just add water. XD

(BTW, I really am curious when I ask 'what's the deal'. I'm not being sarcastic. Enlighten me.)

Corvus of the Black Night November 14th, 2009 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by benthekid (Post 5319392)
if i did not say it,then u lot would all be ******

/interrupttroll

I think its just the fact that where there's water, there's life, and it makes those scientists all giddy inside.

Chibi Robo November 14th, 2009 11:14 AM

Wait why would anybody want to live on the moon?
I dont see anything wrong where we are now >:

GengarNightmare November 14th, 2009 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by benthekid (Post 5319392)
if i did not say it,then u lot would all be ******

Are your other 10 posts as pointless and devoid of grammar as your last 3?

*looks*

Yup.

I'll attempt to ignore any further idiotisms.

EDIT: Lol, the posts were deleted. Thanks Chibi-chan.
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Originally Posted by Charon the Ferryman (Post 5319394)
I think its just the fact that where there's water, there's life, and it makes those scientists all giddy inside.

LOL, that's a given. :) I was hoping that there was some miraculous meaning to finding water on the moon. It's neat it its own right, but doesn't really mean much other than tiny organisms on the moon. Meh. Let me know when they find some Hollywood aliens. "OMG IT'S TEH PREDATOR ON TEH MOON!!!"

Corvus of the Black Night November 14th, 2009 11:29 AM

Considering how common Hydrogen is in the universe, water and hydrocarbons are probably all over the place in the universe. It's no surprise to find it on Mars or on the moon, really. Now advanced life... that's a bit different XD

GengarNightmare November 14th, 2009 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Chibi Robo (Post 5319414)
Wait why would anybody want to live on the moon?
I dont see anything wrong where we are now >:

It's not that they want to go to the moon, it's setting up a base on the moon so that they could possibly get to Mars. But we've already discussed that it would be inefficient, anyway. We'll probably never live on the moon. The eventual question is "How long will the Earth's resources hold out?" And eventually, from what I understand, billions of years from now, the Sun will eventually go into a "Red Giant" stage and swallow the Earth.

*surfs web for Sun cycle stuff*

Actually, scratch that; they're saying that the Sun won't encompass the Earth during the Red Giant stage, but rather, another stage afterward will release a lot of solar flares. And if that doesn't get us, the loss of gravitational pull from the Sun will.

The End of Earth Life Astronomy discussion (part II)

So it's all irrelavent really.

Ah, there's nothing like talking about the inevatable end of the world to make one feel better.....:\

Imah shut up, now, k?
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Originally Posted by Charon the Ferryman (Post 5319469)
Considering how common Hydrogen is in the universe, water and hydrocarbons are probably all over the place in the universe. It's no surprise to find it on Mars or on the moon, really. Now advanced life... that's a bit different XD

Just a bit. XD

FreaKryptid November 14th, 2009 12:40 PM

I think they should use the moon only for a last resort just in case something bad ever does happen to the Earth.

Ayselipera November 14th, 2009 2:01 PM

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Originally Posted by FreaKryptid (Post 5319694)
I think they should use the moon only for a last resort just in case something bad ever does happen to the Earth.


Maybe so, but theres no way everyone could go. The moon's surface area is 37.9 million square kilometers while the Continent of Asia is 44.4 million square kilometers.

Corvus of the Black Night November 14th, 2009 4:53 PM

Guys, it's not like they found oceans of it :p

Luck November 14th, 2009 5:23 PM

Not surprised, I heard about this on world news.
Now how about we get an atmosphere for the moon too?
10 Chinese hummers should do the trick if we only drive them for 5 Earth days.

txteclipse November 14th, 2009 6:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Luck (Post 5320812)
Not surprised, I heard about this on world news.
Now how about we get an atmosphere for the moon too?
10 Chinese hummers should do the trick if we only drive them for 5 Earth days.

I do believe that the Moon's gravity is insufficient to support a breathable atmosphere, but it may be enough to support plants. What kind of atmospheric pressure do you think we could achieve?

Charizard★ November 14th, 2009 6:33 PM

I think there might be very small life forms since they have water on the moon. It is likely since the earth started out like that.

Legobricks November 14th, 2009 11:43 PM

I'm reminded of the X3TC description for the ice ware...
"Water in the form of ice is harvested from asteroids [some tosh I don't specifically recall about supply of planetary colonies and Earth water retrictions imposed by the ATF]."

Water is really quite a basic compound, so I actually expected it to be on the Moon as well as many other places.

Synaesthesia November 14th, 2009 11:51 PM

This is amazing. It makes me sad that I will never be able to see any significant change compared to what's happened today. Maybe centuries from now, organisms and life forms will be able to inhabit the Moon, but I'll never know about it.

However, I kind of don't think that should happen. The Moon isn't meant to be inhabited. I'm not too sure what this discovery of water will mean for the future of the Moon, but humans sure have effed some stuff up down here... hopefully they don't take the Moon too.

Jesus oƒ Suburbia November 14th, 2009 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Synaesthesia (Post 5321924)
This is amazing. It makes me sad that I will never be able to see any significant change compared to what's happened today. Maybe centuries from now, organisms and life forms will be able to inhabit the Moon, but I'll never know about it.

However, I kind of don't think that should happen. The Moon isn't meant to be inhabited. I'm not too sure what this discovery of water will mean for the future of the Moon, but humans sure have effed some stuff up down here... hopefully they don't take the Moon too.

That's just one of the boundaries we're not willing to understand, even if it were true. It's in human nature to be skeptical, to question and to keep moving forward.
The Moon will be take up some day.

Sorry to tell you, but that is what we plan on doing, why else would we be searching for water?
For teh lulz?, nope.

Agent Cobalt November 15th, 2009 12:05 AM

Hey, we already planted our flag up there. It's just a matter of time until we formally move in.

Manifest Destiny FTW!!! <=P

Rich Boy Rob November 15th, 2009 1:20 AM

I think it's quite cool that they found water. It means that we're 1 step closer to off world colonisation, and that's got to be a good thing right? I mean one day, either some great catastrophe will happen on Earth, so the people living off world may have to carry on the human race, or the more likely option, Earth will get over crowded, so people should be given the option to leave. Besides anything else, expansion = greater chance of meeting discovering aliens.

Corvus of the Black Night November 15th, 2009 7:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Agent Cobalt (Post 5321940)
Hey, we already planted our flag up there. It's just a matter of time until we formally move in.

Manifest Destiny FTW!!! <=P

I think us Yanks should dominate the world before we do that, because we're that awesome.

/lolsarcasm

Rich Boy Rob November 15th, 2009 8:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Charon the Ferryman (Post 5322500)
I think us Yanks should dominate the world before we do that, because we're that awesome.

/lolsarcasm

Never! Earth will soon be known as Greater Britain and once we start expanding of world we will call our collection of colonies The New Great British Empire!
Because Britain is win.

Esper November 15th, 2009 9:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Rich Boy Rob (Post 5322648)
Never! Earth will soon be known as Greater Britain and once we start expanding of world we will call our collection of colonies The New Great British Empire!
Because Britain is win.

Been there, done that, didn't last.

Seriously though, every piece of information we gain about the universe helps us understand it better. We can form better theories about other big space rocks we haven't studied as thoroughly. It helps keep us from assuming too many things we don't really know that much about.

Agent Cobalt November 15th, 2009 1:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Charon the Ferryman (Post 5322500)
I think us Yanks should dominate the world before we do that, because we're that awesome.

/lolsarcasm

Uh, we already kind of do. <=/

Guillermo November 15th, 2009 10:38 PM

We've made discoveries greater than this. And besides, life on the moon isn't going to happen. It's a quarter of the Earth's size, so unless half of us die on the way there, we're not going to fit. Like everyone else stated, if we're going anywhere, and unless we find somewhere much like Earth, it's going to be Mars.

Too much money is going into space travel, in my opinion. We should at least share it around evenly.

♣Gawain♣ November 16th, 2009 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Mizan Nix Zamnie (Post 5318841)

Back to the topic, I believe that we can now finally begin to take our first steps to conquering the Galaxyinterplanetary exploration. Once a base has been established on the moon, we can use the moons lower gravity to launch rockets to mars with less fuel required for take-off.

The Moon Rocks!(pun intended)

If that's the case, we could send explorers from the Moon to the Mars to colonize there.
Believe me, Mars is way better than the moon(and they have found water on Mars too).

Miz en Scène November 16th, 2009 8:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Viceroy Gawain (Post 5325786)
If that's the case, we could send explorers from the Moon to the Mars to colonize there.
Believe me, Mars is way better than the moon(and they have found water on Mars too).

I think that was the general idea. There isn't sufficient gravity on the moon for it to sustain a dense enough breathable atmosphere. We might however, be able to artificially create an atmosphere on mars by using the greenhouse effect. Although, i wonder how the pioneers would cope with the dust storms...

lx_theo November 16th, 2009 8:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Viceroy Gawain (Post 5325786)
If that's the case, we could send explorers from the Moon to the Mars to colonize there.
Believe me, Mars is way better than the moon(and they have found water on Mars too).

Well the point behind making the moon habitable is the transit time between it and the Earth in comparison to Mars or anywhere else.

Syrex November 16th, 2009 8:45 PM

Alrighttt!!!

now make a big air dome and I'm ready to move. haha.

Ineffable~ November 20th, 2009 5:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Agent Cobalt (Post 5321940)
Hey, we already planted our flag up there. It's just a matter of time until we formally move in.

Manifest Destiny FTW!!! <=P

If I remember correctly, the Moon's land is split up and owned by a bunch of celebrities and other rich people. :O

Fire Eagle November 20th, 2009 9:34 AM

I would say that if something does go wrong in the year 2012, the will and the strong survived should life on the moon.

MidnightMoon November 20th, 2009 9:50 AM

I think it would be pointless haveing a base on the moon because what in gods name are they going to do up their besides seeing how far they could jump. I think it would be a waste of money. But I would like to live up their.

Miz en Scène November 20th, 2009 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by MidnightMoon (Post 5336184)
I think it would be pointless haveing a base on the moon because what in gods name are they going to do up their besides seeing how far they could jump. I think it would be a waste of money. But I would like to live up their.

I've explained this before so I'll explain it again.

We could use the moon's lower gravity to launch rockets to other planets without wasting to much fuel in escaping the gravitational pull of the moon. That means, we can travel further on more fuel. Also, some scientists believe that the abundant Helium 3 present on the moon can be used to fuel the rockets as an alternative.

Yes, it would be nice to live there.
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But I would like to live up their
Up whose what exactly?

I lol'ed. XD
No offense.

MidnightMoon November 20th, 2009 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Mizan Nix Zamnie (Post 5336234)
I've explained this before so I'll explain it again.

We could use the moon's lower gravity to launch rockets to other planets without wasting to much fuel in escaping the gravitational pull of the moon. That means, we can travel further on more fuel. Also, some scientists believe that the abundant Helium 3 present on the moon can be used to fuel the rockets as an alternative.

Yes, it would be nice to live there.

Up whose what exactly?

I lol'ed. XD
No offense.


You know what I meant XD. Besides I like the moon because thats my last name MidnightMoon. I would like to go on the moon then look at earth and then moon everybody down their lol XD

PyrgusMalvae December 4th, 2009 4:38 PM

I'm not all that surprised. I mean, Hydrogen is a really common element, and Oxygen isn't terribly scarce, so H2O can form in a lot of places. There's water on Mars too. I mean, it's really cool news, but not a mind-numbing shocker.

.little monster December 5th, 2009 8:25 AM

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Originally Posted by PyrgusMalvae (Post 5372405)
I'm not all that surprised. I mean, Hydrogen is a really common element, and Oxygen isn't terribly scarce, so H2O can form in a lot of places. There's water on Mars too. I mean, it's really cool news, but not a mind-numbing shocker.

Water-ice.

People need to start saying water-ice. There is difference between liquid water and water-ice. D:

There is also water vapor in the atmospheres of Venus and Jupiter and there is a liquid ocean under Jupiter's moon Europa, which has a high possibility of supporting life. O:

But yeah, this is neat. Moon base? : 3 Not a colony though! The Moon's gravity is not strong enough to keep calcium and other nutrients in our body. So people who stay there long enough will either:

1. Become too weak to come back to Earth.
2. Die.

: D

Not to mention cancer, unless they put a foot of led into the walls/build the base underground.

Captain Hobo. December 5th, 2009 9:35 AM

I would not move there because you would have to a space sute all the time.

Rich Boy Rob December 5th, 2009 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Sillypillz (Post 5374099)
I would not move there because you would have to a space sute all the time.

Not if they pressurised the base and made biomes to produce oxygen.

GreenStorm December 6th, 2009 2:18 PM

I think it's great. I don't know what else to say than more water for us.

.little monster December 6th, 2009 2:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Rich Boy Rob (Post 5374581)
Not if they pressurised the base and made biomes to produce oxygen.

Actually, what they would do is install a machine that turns water into oxygen, then a filter system for the C02. It's cheaper than a bio-dome.

Rich Boy Rob December 7th, 2009 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by t.A.T.u (Post 5377732)
Actually, what they would do is install a machine that turns water into oxygen, then a filter system for the C02. It's cheaper than a bio-dome.

True, but a biome could also produce food for the colonists.

Rabbit December 7th, 2009 8:25 PM

I'm waiting for them to drill a little deeper and discover that the Moon is actually hollow inside due to being an ancient alien spaceship. Yep. Any day now...

Spearow December 7th, 2009 9:01 PM

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I don't know what else to say than more water for us.
Okay. When we have to transport hunks of moon ice to Earth for drinking purposes, that's when we'll know we're really hard up. At that point it'd probably more economically practical to desalinate ocean water, although I won't deny that drinking space water would be totally frickin awesome

Nincada December 7th, 2009 9:03 PM

Is there anything that, in the mind of America, explosives won't solve? XD

I am so thrilled about this news, although the water was mainly extracted from the plume of stuff shot up by the boom.

Agent Cobalt December 7th, 2009 9:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Nincada (Post 5380932)
Is there anything that, in the mind of America, explosives won't solve?

NO.

Don't you ever try to take that from us... Ever...

Rabbit December 8th, 2009 10:38 AM

Transporting water from the moon is waaaay too expensive as a solution to the water problem. Before we did that we would first use up all our hydrogen & oxygen to produce h2o.

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The Moon's gravity is not strong enough to keep calcium and other nutrients in our body.
Reeeally? Where did you read that? I can't find anything related to nutrients and weightlessness. Your muscles and bones deteriorate, we know that, but excersize can minimize that.

But yeah, moon colonists would have a very hard time coming back to Earth. The gravity would flatten them. Maybe it could be used as...a penal colony?

Virtual Chatot December 8th, 2009 2:20 PM

Unless they can give me undeniable proof that the Moon exists, I won't believe there is water on it.

kcrew January 1st, 2010 2:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Rabbit (Post 5381657)
But yeah, moon colonists would have a very hard time coming back to Earth. The gravity would flatten them. Maybe it could be used as...a penal colony?

That's one problem as to moon life. And also, as for the air problem, terraforming would not help. You need gravity to prevent air from floating off...

Rich Boy Rob January 2nd, 2010 2:05 PM

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Originally Posted by kcrew (Post 5441609)
That's one problem as to moon life. And also, as for the air problem, terraforming would not help. You need gravity to prevent air from floating off...

Which is why you seal the colony in an airtight biodome.

Gary, the Magic Fairy January 2nd, 2010 3:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Rich Boy Rob (Post 5444368)
Which is why you seal the colony in an airtight biodome.

Why would anyone want to live on the moon, anyways? The moon sucks. Why don't you just move to Antarctica? It's warmer than the part of the moon not lit by the sun. Plus, it doesn't get up past the boiling point of water when the sun is shining. Also there's penguins, instead of... you know, rocks and moon dust or whatever the hell is up there.

twocows January 2nd, 2010 3:46 PM

This is certainly an interesting development. I wouldn't get your space suits on yet, but I can certainly imagine this being a huge step forward toward colonizing the moon. It's certainly possible that within one or two lifetimes, what we've previously only seen in sci-fi may become the stuff of reality.

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Originally Posted by Doctor Richtofen (Post 5318528)
I heard about this yesterday. Kinda reminds me of Dan Brown's Deception Point for all who have read it. I really don't care what they do up there, because I will never - NEVER - go up there. Something bad is bound to happen, plus, I like to be down here on Earth, where we have GRAVITY and WARMTH. The moon is too cold and too lightweight for me.

Uh, why? Because somebody wrote a story about it? There have been plenty of fictional stories about crap going wrong right here on this very planet, it's not a valid reason to stay away from it. Also, the moon has gravity, it's just less than the earth's (technically, anything with mass has a gravitational force). As for heat, if we have water on the moon, we can, in isolated areas, (a) make air with oxygen, and (b) get electricity, which when coupled with solar power, we can use to produce heat. The main problem I see is one of monetary resources; we'd need some of the most advanced technology available, and even NASA's budget wouldn't be able to afford it all.

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Originally Posted by Virtual Chatot (Post 5382048)
Unless they can give me undeniable proof that the Moon exists, I won't believe there is water on it.

Hahaha, good one. That was more sophisticated than I expected. xD

Rolling Pichu January 2nd, 2010 6:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Doctor Richtofen (Post 5318528)
I heard about this yesterday. Kinda reminds me of Dan Brown's Deception Point for all who have read it. I really don't care what they do up there, because I will never - NEVER - go up there. Something bad is bound to happen, plus, I like to be down here on Earth, where we have GRAVITY and WARMTH. The moon is too cold and too lightweight for me.

I'd worry about the day heat rather than the cold. Like this fella up there said, there's a way around cold temperatures. It's gonna be harder surviving the lunar day comfortably.

.little monster January 2nd, 2010 6:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Rabbit (Post 5381657)
Transporting water from the moon is waaaay too expensive as a solution to the water problem. Before we did that we would first use up all our hydrogen & oxygen to produce h2o.



Reeeally? Where did you read that? I can't find anything related to nutrients and weightlessness. Your muscles and bones deteriorate, we know that, but excersize can minimize that.

But yeah, moon colonists would have a very hard time coming back to Earth. The gravity would flatten them. Maybe it could be used as...a penal colony?

Um, why do you think the bones deteriorate? Do little bits and pieces float away? o:

Now, I know this is hard, but let's try and use some common sense to answer that.

Rolling Pichu January 2nd, 2010 6:16 PM

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Reeeally? Where did you read that? I can't find anything related to nutrients and weightlessness. Your muscles and bones deteriorate, we know that, but excersize can minimize that.
In lower gravity it's harder for the intestines to absorb nutrients. That includes Calcium. Do your math.

True Reign January 2nd, 2010 11:46 PM

I would rather scientists focusing more on Europa then the Moon imo.

Rolling Pichu January 3rd, 2010 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Accursed (Post 5446138)
I would rather scientists focusing more on Europa then the Moon imo.

I don't think you have a notion of what "scientists in general" focus on... you'd probably want to blame the media instead.

Rocket_Executive January 3rd, 2010 12:08 AM

The amount of water found on the moon was actually negligable, i.e. molecules-worth. It's also frozen; liquid water can't exist there because there isn't enough pressure, so it's not as big of a deal as NASA is letting everyone believe.
I think NASA is hyping the whole water-on-the-moon thing because they want the government to think there is a sensible reason to give NASA a larger budget, and they have been looking for a reason for another moon-landing. As long as the economy is doing poorly and tax money is being spent on other things, NASA will have to get creative in its endeavor to seem deserving of funding.

.little monster January 3rd, 2010 1:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Accursed (Post 5446138)
I would rather scientists focusing more on Europa then the Moon imo.

Well, without a lunar base for re-fueling and easy take-off, we wont get to Europa quickly with the equipment we need.

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Originally Posted by Rocket_Executive (Post 5446181)
The amount of water found on the moon was actually negligable, i.e. molecules-worth. It's also frozen; liquid water can't exist there because there isn't enough pressure, so it's not as big of a deal as NASA is letting everyone believe.
I think NASA is hyping the whole water-on-the-moon thing because they want the government to think there is a sensible reason to give NASA a larger budget, and they have been looking for a reason for another moon-landing. As long as the economy is doing poorly and tax money is being spent on other things, NASA will have to get creative in its endeavor to seem deserving of funding.

Um, you obviously don't understand the point. There is actually more water than you're letting on. However, there isn't a lot compared to Earth, it is enough to fuel a base and create fuel, which is all we really can use it for.

Haza January 3rd, 2010 1:52 AM

I thought it was confirmed before? Or was that Mars when they found a peice of ice in the dirt? Eithger way I wont be impressed until a Moon Fish is found d:

Anti-Hero January 4th, 2010 10:23 PM

When we move to the moon, we can then move to other planets, because everything'll be easier. But, then, we'll have wars on the moon. People'll conquer planets :/.

I'd live on the moon though, I'd weigh like 8 pounds I think, maybe less. I did a thing a science... and I'm fat on the sun :p.

True Reign January 6th, 2010 5:16 PM

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Originally Posted by t.A.T.u (Post 5446326)
Well, without a lunar base for re-fueling and easy take-off, we wont get to Europa quickly with the equipment we need.

You don't understand do you?

I want them to focus more of their attention onto exploring Europa through a hydrobot.

ThornPython4 January 7th, 2010 1:26 PM

First of all, water wasn't just "discovered" on the moon, IT WAS ALREADY THERE! We will never get anything on the moon, because we have never been there in the first place. The moon landing was all a hoax, I watched a documentary on it. And I did an Essay on the subject, getting perfect. lol.

True Reign January 8th, 2010 8:31 PM

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Originally Posted by ThornPython4 (Post 5457616)
First of all, water wasn't just "discovered" on the moon, IT WAS ALREADY THERE! We will never get anything on the moon, because we have never been there in the first place. The moon landing was all a hoax, I watched a documentary on it. And I did an Essay on the subject, getting perfect. lol.

Clearly you don't know the meaning of the verb discover. It means to gain knowledge of.

So we gained the knowledge of water on the surface of the Moon. Get it? Also I can see why you believe the Moon landing was a hoax, but to be simple - it's not.

kjmj14 January 8th, 2010 11:42 PM

wow!
I can't believe that there is water found in the moon...
I'm very curious where did the water come from.

True Reign January 9th, 2010 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by kjmj14 (Post 5461542)
wow!
I can't believe that there is water found in the moon...
I'm very curious where did the water come from.

Hydrogen is an extremely common element in the Universe. Actually you shouldn't be surprised at all.

Griffinbane January 9th, 2010 12:02 AM

Actually, I think with the technology we have today, building a biodome on the moon is very possible. There are already underwater hotels. Those hotels were built to withstand water pressure, so if we can withstand more pressure, what's so hard to withstand less pressure? This is just the biodome though. Human bodies are a totally different story I'm sure.

As for living on the moon...I think we're better off living on Mars. The gravity difference isn't by much and so we'll be able to adjust to it. The moon would probably be best to farm plants for food and with the human population constantly growing, I think eventually we're gonna collapse Earth. It can't support us indefinitely, not with a growing population with growing need for food, water and shelter.

I wonder if scientists have tried creating water.

kjmj14 January 9th, 2010 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Accursed (Post 5461553)
Hydrogen is an extremely common element in the Universe. Actually you shouldn't be surprised at all.

Oh i see, but how can i water be ound on the moon if there is no gravity on it?

Griffinbane January 9th, 2010 12:07 AM

The moon DOES have gravity. It has less than Earth, but it definitely does have enough gravity to hold down pebbles, rocks and ice. How water got on the moon in the first place is a different story. There's a lot of theories floating about trying to explain it but there's no definite conclusion. One theory is that comets that are flying nearby the moon melt somewhat when approaching the sun and the icemelt lands on the moon and accumulates there.

kjmj14 January 9th, 2010 12:13 AM

Oh men, hope national geographic channel will tackle one of this issue. Maybe on their show just like "Naked Science" and much more... :D

Blue Nocturne January 9th, 2010 1:05 AM

Don't drink the moon water, don't even touch it. Not. One. Drop

Back on topic, the moon is quite frankly inhospitable, it has low gravity, which is fine if you just can't reach the cupcake on top of the cupboard but a nuisance for everything else, if we COULD build a bio-dome, then i agree with Griffinbane that it should be used for farming. Mars on the other hand.... It does have quite a few more attractive features than the moon.

Dukey January 9th, 2010 1:24 AM

I've got dibbs on president :D

ThornPython4 January 9th, 2010 1:33 PM

The Moon landing was the biggest hoax ever. I don't care who argues with me. The USA only did that to say they 'landed' on the moon first. It was all filmed in a place called Area 51 in arizona.

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Originally Posted by kjmj14 (Post 5461560)
Oh i see, but how can i water be ound on the moon if there is no gravity on it?

It's called Ice. The water is frozen on the surface.

Rolling Pichu January 9th, 2010 1:52 PM

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Originally Posted by ThornPython4 (Post 5462785)
The Moon landing was the biggest hoax ever. I don't care who argues with me. The USA only did that to say they 'landed' on the moon first. It was all filmed in a place called Area 51 in arizona.



It's called Ice. The water is frozen on the surface.

You don't exist, I don't care what you say. You're obviously a bot sent here by conspirators in order to convince us the thing was a hoax.

True Reign January 9th, 2010 4:39 PM

I've always assumed the Moon came to become our moon through two ways. The first is that a large collision occured in the cooling of Earth, which would also explain the water on the surface of the Moon. Another is that the Moon came from somewhere else and was caught in the Earth's gravitational field.
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Originally Posted by Ramen! (Post 5461642)
I've got dibbs on president :D

Not if I get there first :P

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Originally Posted by ThornPython4
The Moon landing was the biggest hoax ever. I don't care who argues with me. The USA only did that to say they 'landed' on the moon first. It was all filmed in a place called Area 51 in arizona.

Can someone get any more ignorant than you? If you want to say why it was a hoax, then just give us some evidence to help your 'hoax' idea crap.

Also Area 51 is in southern Nevada. Not Arizona.

Rolling Pichu January 9th, 2010 4:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Accursed (Post 5463221)
I've always assumed the Moon came to become our moon through two ways. The first is that a large collision occured in the cooling of Earth, which would also explain the water on the surface of the Moon. Another is that the Moon came from somewhere else and was caught in the Earth's gravitational field.

Not if I get there first :P

The collision theory is the one, dude. Among lots of things that explains why there are many compounds in the outer layers of the Moon that are found on Earth and couldn't exist up there otherwise. It also explains why the axis of the Earth is tilted.

Anyways, I think we're closer to colonize Mars than the Moon. It has more water, the days last almost the same, and more gravity than the moon. If we could only thicken its atmosphere in some way, it would have a very similar temperature range to the Earth's.

True Reign January 9th, 2010 4:49 PM

Yeah, I just posted the two most possible ways for the Moon to form. Obviously it's the collision theory because of the evidence (the Pacific Ocean).


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