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Luck November 24th, 2009 5:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Agent Cobalt (Post 5347924)
Cue Luck in 3... 2... 1...

lolno.

I won't repeat myself yet another time when no good will come of it.

txteclipse November 24th, 2009 5:03 PM

Protestant Christian here. I affiliate most with Assemblies of God and Baptist, but I consider my philosophies specifically mine. I don't accept things without being sure they make sense to me personally, and I'm comfortable disagreeing with certain beliefs those groups have. I think that's a healthy attitude.

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Originally Posted by Luck
I won't repeat myself yet another time when no good will come of it.

Also a healthy attitude. And dang you for stealing first-of-page.

Vigilante November 24th, 2009 5:40 PM

Honestly, I don't know what to believe in. I can't find the flaws every where. I would like to believe that there might be some magical man in the sky, it just ins't supported by evidence. Neither is any the science theories really.

So, I guess you could say that I am an Athiest.

It is not that I don't believe in him, it is just that I need proof. I can't touch him, smell him, hear him, taste him, see him, or anything else. So, yeah.

machinegun777 November 26th, 2009 7:40 AM

No, I'm not an atheist. I believe in God, and that Jesus died on the cross for us.

Blue Nocturne November 26th, 2009 8:49 AM

I am an atheist. I personally find religion absurd, irrational and obsolete. Its something about a being about an all-powerful being that sees all, created all and has power over all that doesn't make sense to me. I also find religion to hypocritical, vile and very logically flawed. Im sorry to offend anyone, its just my opinion.

Ineffable~ November 26th, 2009 8:54 AM

I am a semi-igtheistic, agnostic, panprotoexperientialistic, henotheistic, henophysitistic, pantheistic, skeptically holistic protestant Lutheran, if it means anything to you. ;3

Blaniel November 26th, 2009 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Superficial Mycosis (Post 5335759)
I am an athiest, but I also follow a religion.

Umm... then ur not really atheist.........Ur Agnostic....
Meaning you dont believe in any particular religion...

Agent Cobalt November 26th, 2009 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Blaniel (Post 5352438)
Umm... then ur not really atheist.........Ur Agnostic....
Meaning you dont believe in any particular religion...

No, he's an atheist because he doesn't believe in a deity, but still of a religion. Buddhists have a religion but are atheist. It's a religion without a god. It's not impossible. <=/

Corvus of the Black Night November 26th, 2009 12:20 PM

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU------dge.

Nope, but I can understand why people are. :3

Ineffable~ November 26th, 2009 4:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Blaniel (Post 5352438)
Umm... then ur not really atheist.........Ur Agnostic....
Meaning you dont believe in any particular religion...

Wait what? She's religious, yet she doesn't believe in any religion? 8S
Agnosticism (not necessarily religious, by the way) is actually the belief that certain questions cannot be answered with certainty. I'm a religiously agnostic theist. Id est, I am agnostic and religious at the same time. Not impossible. D:

She is a nontheist.

lx_theo November 26th, 2009 5:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Decapitated Goat (Post 5353104)

Wait what? She's religious, yet she doesn't believe in any religion? 8S
Agnosticism (not necessarily religious, by the way) is actually the belief that certain questions cannot be answered with certainty. I'm a religiously agnostic theist. Id est, I am agnostic and religious at the same time. Not impossible. D:

She is a nontheist.

Just pointing out, its not nontheist, its atheist

Sneg November 26th, 2009 6:19 PM

I don't know.

It's better to believe than to not believe, this is because the believer gets all in the end if God exists, but if you don't really care and God ends up not existing, you loose nothing.

Ineffable~ November 26th, 2009 7:43 PM

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Originally Posted by lx_theo (Post 5353307)
Just pointing out, its not nontheist, its atheist

All atheists are nontheists. :/
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Originally Posted by Sneg (Post 5353415)
I don't know.

It's better to believe than to not believe, this is because the believer gets all in the end if God exists, but if you don't really care and God ends up not existing, you loose nothing.

lol Pascal's gambit. :P

Åzurε November 26th, 2009 8:09 PM

-__-"" Yes, we've already figured that out. And I've been thinking about that. And it still holds a relevant point. But I won't get into that now.

Goat, when I looked up "semi-igtheistic" on Google, this topic was the top result. =P

Why do people think that others generally adopt religion on the basis of our parents? Many faithful people I know come from atheistic families, or turned from it early on because they "realized it was stupid", and then returned.

It's just too far against the odds for everything to be orderless. I've seen far too many... uncanny things happen to too many people too many times to think existence is entirely unstructured and without an overseer.

Agent Cobalt November 26th, 2009 8:32 PM

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Originally Posted by mOOG (Post 5353887)
Why do people think that others generally adopt religion on the basis of our parents?

Because it's an easy way for non-believers to rationalize the majority of people being believers. If everyone but the minority of enlightened atheists is a brainwashed zombie then they're almost of a higher intellectual standing. You see yourself from a few of the posts here the words used to describe faith- absurd, irrational, obsolete, hypocritical, vile, very logically flawed, fairy tales, et al.

I know the child indoctrination point certainly doesn't apply to me.

lx_theo November 26th, 2009 9:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Decapitated Goat (Post 5353793)
All atheists are nontheists. :/

No, I meant the term for the opposite of a theist (believes in God) is called an atheists, not nontheist.

Luck November 26th, 2009 9:19 PM

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Why do people think that others generally adopt religion on the basis of our parents?
Because no religion wouldn't last long at all if a younger audience wasn't targeted. Infants are not only more gullible, but they also believe that their parents are near infallible. Why do children get baptised much more than adults? I honestly doubt 6 and 10 year olds are capable of such philosophical thinking on that big of a scale.

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It's just too far against the odds for everything to be orderless. I've seen far too many... uncanny things happen to too many people too many times to think existence is entirely unstructured and without an overseer.
Other people see things differently. Complexity≠Creation, or at least to me.

Ineffable~ November 26th, 2009 9:39 PM

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Originally Posted by mOOG (Post 5353887)
Goat, when I looked up "semi-igtheistic" on Google, this topic was the top result. =P
Spoiler:


Why do people think that others generally adopt religion on the basis of our parents? Many faithful people I know come from atheistic families, or turned from it early on because they "realized it was stupid", and then returned.

It's just too far against the odds for everything to be orderless. I've seen far too many... uncanny things happen to too many people too many times to think existence is entirely unstructured and without an overseer.

Where did you see that? :S I got my own post when I searched.
:3

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Originally Posted by lx_theo (Post 5354025)
No, I meant the term for the opposite of a theist (believes in God) is called an atheists, not nontheist.

I can't tell if you don't know the word "nontheist" and are implying I'm not familiar with the term "atheist", or if you are saying something separate completely, so I'll just say that, within my knowledge, nontheism is an ideology that includes atheism.
:3 So the term is not incorrect.

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Originally Posted by Luck (Post 5354034)
Other people see things differently. Complexity≠Creation, or at least to me.

Ever heard of pantheism? :P

s0nido November 26th, 2009 9:47 PM

I'm a firm Muslim, and nothing can shake my faith. I was a Muslim since birth, and I will always be one, no matter what. There is no faith alternative to Islam that I believe is 100% true.

GymLeaderMisty November 26th, 2009 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Cassino (Post 5337030)
I believe what I want; science bores me.
To that end I am a magickal Shinto apatheist.

You said it yourself best in this post:

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a god? if there is one it's nothing to do with me
a faith? only in myself
a religion? i don't need, want or have one
a destiny? life is the present, memories are the past, mysteries are the future
a reason? a star explodes, the pieces form planets and new stars, which by chance could grow life, and our star (the sun) will die someday...
and me? i'm just an entity of carbon based life, a mere fruit of nature
http://www.pokecommunity.com/showthread.php?t=74338&page=2

I made another thread based on that post more than 3 years ago...

http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?p=1605590

(I got banned on that forum for talking about Paul Ehrlich and the Mexico City Policy a year ago)

Nyu~♥! November 27th, 2009 4:49 PM

oooh no. I believe in the Holy Spirit, Jesus, and God.
Really, I don't really think it's very good to be atheist. When you are in grave danger, who can you talk to that will solve your roblems? Anyway, don't think I hate atheists - I don't. I'm Christian, so being racist, antisemitic or whatever, is totally wrong. Just an opinion. I believe that everyone one is equal whether they believe in God or not.

- In the name of the Father, in the name of the Son, and in the Holy Spirit, Amen! :< -

Katria November 28th, 2009 5:27 AM

I'm a Protestant but I have friends from all walks of religion. I believe in God and that we'll Him when we die.

Skreamish November 30th, 2009 2:40 PM

Yes, but I am not against any one who believes in any sort of god or higher power or some sort. Believe whatever you feel is right.

ANARCHit3cht November 30th, 2009 7:32 PM

Yes. But it isn't that I don't believe in god it is just that I need proof that he exists. I can't smell him, can I? No? Well, how do I know he exists? I can smell the person next to me, I can see them, I can hear them, I could feel them, and heck, I could even taste them if I really wanted to do. But can I do anything like that to this God?

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When you are in grave danger, who can you talk to that will solve your roblems?
When you are in grave danger and someone busts down the door and shoots the murderer in the face who is it? Definitely not god, it is usually the police.

Cherrim November 30th, 2009 9:51 PM

I'm not sure what I am aside from a dedicated Lightningist. I was raised Catholic but the religion has never struck a chord with me and I really don't believe in it. I suppose if I had to categorize my beliefs, I'd be an atheist but apathy is probably a better fit.

There are so many religions and picking the right one just kind of seems hit-and-miss to me. The idea that I could dedicate my life to following some sort of faith only for it to be the "wrong" one doesn't really appeal to me so I'd rather just follow none of it and do my own thing instead of fretting over religion. If I die and it turns out one religion was right, oops. I'll worry about that then. Furthermore, I don't mind if any of my friends are overly religious or not, so long as they don't force their beliefs or lack thereof on me.

So for me, it's more: I can't prove that a God exists, nor can I prove a God doesn't exist, so I'm just gonna ignore the whole thing or decalre myself as God because I don't really care.

Mika December 1st, 2009 12:09 AM

I'm a Calvinist. n3n

I'm the purest form of evil there is so by no means am I an Atheist because I am a Calvinist which is far superior to a Lightningist but I'm not against Atheists or anything like that. I think more and more our world is turning into "You believe what you want, I'll believe what I want and instead of beating each other up with 2 x 4s, we can talk academically about our differences" I honestly believe nothing good comes from people saying to others 'my religion is better than your religion'. If people are open to hearing you blabber about your faith, then have fun. If they're not, no sense in beating them over the head with a weapon until they fall unconscious and or submit to your line of thinking. n3n

~Teh Panda~ December 1st, 2009 12:11 AM

I would count myself as an atheist. Yet unlike a lot of atheists I really don't care of religion. Yet a lot of atheists hate it which I can understand. But an "eye for an eye makes the whole world blind". Sometimes I am heckled for my beliefs (even by teachers >.>). But whatever...

ssj5goku5 December 1st, 2009 12:28 AM

well to say the least i dont fully utterly believe in the bible no not at all in the least but i do believe that there is something, couldnt anywhere near tell you what, but there is something out there that is "immortal" so to speak if you will.

Rich Boy Rob December 1st, 2009 8:00 AM

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Originally Posted by ~Teh Panda~ (Post 5364687)
I would count myself as an atheist. Yet unlike a lot of atheists I really don't care of religion. Yet a lot of atheists hate it which I can understand. But an "eye for an eye makes the whole world blind". Sometimes I am heckled for my beliefs (even by teachers >.>). But whatever...

You really get heckled by teachers? And for being an Atheist? In my school it's the other way around. If you are religious people will very likely make fun of you a little. Besides I only know of 1 teacher at the moment who is religious, even the other RE teachers are atheist.

Aurafire December 1st, 2009 8:23 AM

Man, these threads usually end horribly, but on it marches :O

Anywho, yes, I am an atheist. I simply do not have faith in any higher beings, and I don't need this faith to rationalize life or death. I'm comfortable with my belief that we are all going to the same place after we die (wherever that may be), regardless of our individual beliefs.

In addition, I think there are huge shortcomings when it comes to organized religion. I have no problem with the fact people need religion for personal reasons or to help better the community, but once people start chucking bombs at each other because they believe in different gods, you kinda have to take a step back and ask yourself if it's really worth it. I'm also not too fond of the guilt trip most religions give you if you don't buy into what they're preaching, aka I don't believe in God so I'm going to hell or my soul won't be at rest or whatever. My life is going just fine, thank you very much >:

poopnoodle December 1st, 2009 11:47 AM

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You really get heckled by teachers?
That's how it is for me for not being religious. I don't get "heckled" (except by my mother), but I get plenty of disapproving facial expressions from teachers and students and I'm constantly supplied with church brochures.

Uecil December 1st, 2009 11:53 AM

i believe in a way i believe in heaven and hell my dad tells me were livin in hell at the moment but i went to a christian school for about 2 yrs so i guess so i am not a athesist

chikorita125 December 1st, 2009 11:57 AM

i am not an athesist because i beleive that theres a heaven and hell

twocows December 1st, 2009 2:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Wish (Post 5347483)
I've always thought the same for every Religion thread that popped up on PC.

I do believe in my Catholic beliefs. In short: It's better to die believing in God and be wrong about his whole existence than to die not believing God and burning in eternal Hell.

That's my belief at least.

Pascal's argument always bothers me. First of all, it's entirely self-serving. You really think that if your reason for believing in God is to prevent yourself from going to Hell, you're not going to go anyway? You don't think the all-knowing God would be smart enough to see through your clever plan? Give me a break.

And then there's the question of WHICH religion to believe, as I've already brought up. There are thousands of religions on this planet, and nearly every one has a clause that says that if you don't believe in that religion exclusively, bad things will happen to you. So why should anyone pick one religion over any other? They all seem to offer the same things to me, anyway.

Finally, the smoking gun against Pascal's argument is the fact that you may very well lose out if you believe in a religion that promises an afterlife if you're wrong. Why? Many people that believe in an afterlife structure their lives preparing for the next, which as we all know is far more important than the current life. This is all just a test anyway, right? It's not as though there isn't a whole new life waiting for me, so I won't bother trying to enjoy this one. Great plan, if there actually is an afterlife. If there isn't, those people threw away a big portion of their lives. The atheist, on the other hand, will live his or her life knowing that this is all there is, and try to make it count for something.

I live with the near-certainty that there's nothing after this, so I do what I can to make this life good for myself and others. If I thought there was some afterlife waiting for me, I'd probably be a lot more apathetic about my life.

angelsavoir December 1st, 2009 3:42 PM

No Im not a atheist. Im catholic, and I believe in God. But Im not the kinda of catholic that goes to church every sunday. I dont even go to a catholic church when I do go. My dad plays drums at a church thats for anyone who believes in Jesus/God.

Converge December 1st, 2009 4:42 PM

Personally i have no faith in any religion

Imo its just a waste of time.

So i guess technically i am an atheist

Åzurε December 1st, 2009 10:28 PM

On the note of Pascal again, It has a point to it (living a moral life and finding a neutral death isn't a big deal, but living an immoral or unacceptable life and finding a good-and-evil death would be a problem), but (using Christianity as an example once more) If the only reason for your faith is a self-serving one, it means nothing.

Of course, living religiously does not necessarily mean wasting your life. As far as personal comfort, church and religious events can actually make you feel really good. Socializing with people who are all on the same page is great, and many people enjoy singing. Being a moral person isn't a waste of time either. If you want a good nation, you need good people, and people are influenced by other people. Apathy is not universal.

twocows December 2nd, 2009 8:18 AM

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Originally Posted by mOOG (Post 5367003)
On the note of Pascal again, It has a point to it (living a moral life and finding a neutral death isn't a big deal, but living an immoral or unacceptable life and finding a good-and-evil death would be a problem), but (using Christianity as an example once more) If the only reason for your faith is a self-serving one, it means nothing.

Of course, living religiously does not necessarily mean wasting your life. As far as personal comfort, church and religious events can actually make you feel really good. Socializing with people who are all on the same page is great, and many people enjoy singing. Being a moral person isn't a waste of time either. If you want a good nation, you need good people, and people are influenced by other people. Apathy is not universal.

I didn't say morality is a waste of time at all; in fact, I find it's an extremely interesting and applicable study. My meaning was that spending your time preparing for a next life that isn't there is, to me, much worse than living this life fully and finding out that there's something afterward. There are so many things in this world to be done; missing out on any of that in favor of rituals that turn out to be meaningless seems tragic to me.

ruby December 2nd, 2009 9:04 AM

I don't necessarily believe in God, but recently in a sort of half jokey way I question coincidences and would could be signs to myself.

Rich Boy Rob December 2nd, 2009 9:07 AM

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Originally Posted by mOOG (Post 5367003)
On the note of Pascal again, It has a point to it (living a moral life and finding a neutral death isn't a big deal, but living an immoral or unacceptable life and finding a good-and-evil death would be a problem), but (using Christianity as an example once more) If the only reason for your faith is a self-serving one, it means nothing.

Of course, living religiously does not necessarily mean wasting your life. As far as personal comfort, church and religious events can actually make you feel really good. Socializing with people who are all on the same page is great, and many people enjoy singing. Being a moral person isn't a waste of time either. If you want a good nation, you need good people, and people are influenced by other people. Apathy is not universal.

I think the main problem with this is that if you want to join a religion so you don't go to hell if there turns out to be one, then which religion do you choose, I mean there are thousands, probably millions of them out there that say if you don't follow theirs you will be condemned to eternal damnation. The possibility is so low that you pick the right one that you may as well not even bother. In my opinion anyways.

Merzbau December 2nd, 2009 10:55 PM

I'm not an atheist.
I used to be, and understand it fully.
I'm a pagan, primarily.
No, I'm not a Wiccan.

I follow an idiosyncratic path.

And I like it that way.

Someone on the first page asked why we didn't have a controversial debate forum for stuff like this, and I assume wished for an answer. Well, here it is: we did. We had one of those a few years ago, called the T-Dome. I'm one of the few people on this site old enough to remember this. In short, it was a good premise that immature people devolved into nothing but stupid pre-adolescent sexuality and bickering.

Until people learn how to be mature, you can forget about that coming back, I'd say.
So you can forget about it coming back ever.

PyrgusMalvae December 3rd, 2009 6:35 AM

Just for the record, in relation to the opening post: not believing in Jesus doesn't make you an atheist, it just means that you're any religion other than Christian. Or Messianic Judaism.

I'm Christian. I was raised Roman Catholic but I think my current practices/beliefs are more Methodist than Roman Catholic. I don't go to church either, but I feel that religion is a private matter that we don't have to critique each other on it.

Rogue planet December 3rd, 2009 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Metatron (Post 5338665)
Not only the sheer ridiculousness of faith (which is, by definition, belief without evidence), but all the atrocious acts committed by religious groups are what made not only an atheist, but an anti-theist as well.

This.
I was not brought up in a religious family and I was not brought up in an anti-religious family, I was not taught about any form of religion until I was around 10 years old, by that age I could think for myself and decided that it was something that I held no interest or belief in. It seems silly to me really, an obscure attempt to justify one's existence or explain things that happen throughout the world. I'm not sure why people are captivated by it.
It's been prominent throughout history so has managed to survive up until now, but more people are declaring themselves atheist in the modern world (in this country anyway) so I can only (hope to) see it beggining to subside throughout the UK and perhaps Europe in the future.

Åzurε December 3rd, 2009 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Rich Boy Rob (Post 5367404)
I think the main problem with this is that if you want to join a religion so you don't go to hell if there turns out to be one, then which religion do you choose, I mean there are thousands, probably millions of them out there that say if you don't follow theirs you will be condemned to eternal damnation. The possibility is so low that you pick the right one that you may as well not even bother. In my opinion anyways.

Even though there are so many different religions to choose from there are things you can do to exclude what is obviously wrong from what there is. Internal consistency, external consistency, and moral logic all bring down choices dramatically.

Dukey December 3rd, 2009 12:32 PM

Don't really believe in God and Jesus at all, funny enough Catholic school kinda did that to me by saying that the christian holidays were all based around Paegan holidays XD

But I wouldn't call myself an athiest I don't think.

Jijaba December 3rd, 2009 1:03 PM

Yes,I beleive I`m an atheist.
I see no evidence of being a god or jesus,or some senior citizen gathering up two of EVERY animal in the entire world and putting them on a boat.If he could,it would take too long.It`s common logic.
If there is a god I just didn`t see any evidence.No signs,nothing from the sky.And explain space.If there was a god he would have to deal with space.Heaven (if there was one)probably has oxygen,but space has none.
And yes this is weird but,I am an atheist that believes in the after-life.I also believe in ghosts,sasquatch,loch ness monster,and all that.
So yes I`m pretty sure I`m atheist.

lx_theo December 3rd, 2009 1:05 PM

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Originally Posted by mOOG (Post 5369652)
Even though there are so many different religions to choose from there are things you can do to exclude what is obviously wrong from what there is. Internal consistency, external consistency, and moral logic all bring down choices dramatically.

You also have to keep in mind the idea of a individual perspective. Even for the major religions, being taught it while growing will cause it to seem to make more sense and be more plausible than the usually more reasonable, outside logical analysis of it.

Devil's Guitarist December 3rd, 2009 4:45 PM

I've been one for a long time, I didn't believe anything. but right now I'm mroe religious since my girlfriend goes to church and all that.
I really belive in God now =D

Shedinja8 December 3rd, 2009 6:00 PM

I think at heart I am Christian, but I don't follow everything the bible. Not to mention I disagree with a lot of it too. It teachs good lessons it does, but people just sometimes get to obsessed with religion...

The Cynic December 9th, 2009 4:19 PM

I am a true atheist. many people who call themselves aethoiest are in fact agnostics who would believe if the evidence prooved that god exsisted. I however, would still refuse to worship such a malicious and cruel entity.

processr December 9th, 2009 5:09 PM

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Originally Posted by ~Teh Panda~ (Post 5364687)
I would count myself as an atheist. Yet unlike a lot of atheists I really don't care of religion. Yet a lot of atheists hate it which I can understand. But an "eye for an eye makes the whole world blind". Sometimes I am heckled for my beliefs (even by teachers >.>). But whatever...

More like apatheism, really. Unless you categorically believe that God does not exist.

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Originally Posted by ssj5goku5 (Post 5364697)
well to say the least i dont fully utterly believe in the bible no not at all in the least but i do believe that there is something, couldnt anywhere near tell you what, but there is something out there that is "immortal" so to speak if you will.

If you're interested in putting a name to your belief, I believe ietsism covers you nicely. :3

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Originally Posted by Rich Boy Rob (Post 5365039)
even the other RE teachers are atheist.

You don't have to be religious to teach religious education/studies.

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Originally Posted by chikorita125 (Post 5365403)
i am not an athesist because i beleive that theres a heaven and hell

Atheism is the rejection of God's existence, not a belief in heaven and hell.

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Originally Posted by Converge (Post 5366163)
Personally i have no faith in any religion

Imo its just a waste of time.

So i guess technically i am an atheist

That's more like irreligion, really, bordering into apatheism. Atheism is the categorical denial of God's existence, and neither apathy towards religion nor a lack of faith will necessarily infer atheism.

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Originally Posted by The Cynic (Post 5384854)
I am a true atheist. many people who call themselves aethoiest are in fact agnostics who would believe if the evidence prooved that god exsisted. I however, would still refuse to worship such a malicious and cruel entity.

If evidence proved that God existed (and I mean proved here, not provided evidence - actual, living, breathing proof) then it would be impossible to not believe in His existence. Therefore, atheism would be impossible; it'd be like refusing to believe in the existence of an everyday item. Like cheese, or something. In that case, your position would be one that refuses to acknowledge God - that would be misotheism, if my knowledge of religious viewpoints is correct. The concepts of theism and atheism would be invalid in such a time, as it would be mad to believe God does not exist and redundant to believe that He does exist. Also, while I do agree with your observation about many self-professed atheists being nearer to agnosticism, it works both ways. A lot of people think "ooh, 'agnosticism' is a fancy word, I'll be that" despite the fact that they believe God cannot exist.

I explained my agnosticism here, so most of that applies in this topic also. :3

Haza December 10th, 2009 7:44 AM

I dont believe in God or the entire concept of gods. It seems way too priimitive and exactly the same as acient civilization practicing rituals and sacrifices for th Sun God and such. Its easier to believe in aliens than God. I just dont trust basing my lifes choices on what people tell you and what you dont know is true. Its brain washing and ignorance in my opinion but I respect those who do believe in religions. And also, I hate it when people call themselves or consider themeselves a devil worshipper and dont beleive in God when if you believe in Satan then you believe in God. :/ Its all just as real as fairy tales to me...

The Cynic December 10th, 2009 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Apophenia (Post 5385029)
If evidence proved that God existed (and I mean proved here, not provided evidence - actual, living, breathing proof) then it would be impossible to not believe in His existence. Therefore, atheism would be impossible; it'd be like refusing to believe in the existence of an everyday item. Like cheese, or something. In that case, your position would be one that refuses to acknowledge God - that would be misotheism, if my knowledge of religious viewpoints is correct. The concepts of theism and atheism would be invalid in such a time, as it would be mad to believe God does not exist and redundant to believe that He does exist. Also, while I do agree with your observation about many self-professed atheists being nearer to agnosticism, it works both ways. A lot of people think "ooh, 'agnosticism' is a fancy word, I'll be that" despite the fact that they believe God cannot exist.

Yes, but what im say is that even if god exsisted I'd not worship him due to a general dislike of him. I mean surely you shouldnt burden people with disabilities and how can the devil/sin exsist if god is omnipotent/omniscient, surely he could just vanquish sin completely? I guess you could call me a dysteleologist.

processr December 10th, 2009 2:07 PM

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Originally Posted by The Cynic (Post 5386272)
Yes, but what im say is that even if god exsisted I'd not worship him due to a general dislike of him. I mean surely you shouldnt burden people with disabilities and how can the devil/sin exsist if god is omnipotent/omniscient, surely he could just vanquish sin completely? I guess you could call me a dysteleologist.

I'm not questioning your atheism - I'm just saying that if it was conclusively proved to everyone in the world that God existed, the notions of theism and atheism (and everything in between) would be completely destroyed. Atheism is purely the belief that God does not exist; if he did exist, it would be delusional to even suggest that you believe otherwise. My point wasn't to start a debate about God's existence. Believe me, it's been done a hundred times on these forums alone, and all that happens is the hardcore atheists childishly insult those who believe in religion ("fairy tales" is a common word I see used - clearly such people are incapable of showing even an ounce of respect to their peers), while the fundamentalists tell them they're going to Hell/Gehenna/Jahannam/whatever. It's stupid, it's pointless, and it can only end badly. My remark was nearly throwaway, really - your post just seemed to infer that you would remain atheistic even if you had conclusive proof of God. Everyone would be theist, technically, but it'd be a moot point. New terms would presumably arise; I guess 'antiestablishmentarianism' would be the closest equivalent we have now (antitheism carries different connotations).

But really, we shouldn't be talking so much on what was simply a small point. xD;

Åzurε December 11th, 2009 3:45 AM

I could get into quite the lengthy explanation of aforementioned points, but I won't now. What I will say is this.

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If evidence proved that God existed, then it would be impossible to not believe in His existence. Therefore, atheism would be impossible; it'd be like refusing to believe in the existence of an everyday item. Like cheese, or something.
You say "impossible"... Objectivity, espcially when combined with irrationality is a powerful influence. How many people do you think would, realistically, even with so much proof in a specific god, would desert what they have been taught and held to as truth for so much time? Not to make this a big fat hairy deal, but think about it. All of you.

Corvus of the Black Night December 11th, 2009 7:54 AM

Can't say I am. Atheism doesn't necesarily cut it for me but I personally feel that if they had proven that a divine being cannot exist with definitive scientific evidence, then I wouldn't mind switching over.

Rich Boy Rob December 11th, 2009 8:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Apophenia (Post 5385029)
You don't have to be religious to teach religious education/studies.

I know... what's your point? I was just replying to someone else's post about his teachers teasing him about his atheism.

Corvus of the Black Night December 11th, 2009 8:07 AM

Seems like someone was epically confused.

I think personally it's wrong to criticize others either way when it comes to personal beliefs, since it is something so personal, but then again, many people are taught that "what they believe in is right" (which, to be honest, I don't believe anything we currently have is 100% "right" due to bias and self intrest), which is one of the reasons I really hate religious debates. Atheists are just as much to blame for arrogance as any zealous Christian, Muslim, Jew, or anything else for that matter. Religion (or lack of it) is a part of your personal definition, and telling someone is "wholesomely wrong" is attempting to change that definition, change their identity. :p

The Cynic December 11th, 2009 8:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Apophenia (Post 5386470)
I'm not questioning your atheism - I'm just saying that if it was conclusively proved to everyone in the world that God existed, the notions of theism and atheism (and everything in between) would be completely destroyed. Atheism is purely the belief that God does not exist; if he did exist, it would be delusional to even suggest that you believe otherwise. My point wasn't to start a debate about God's existence. Believe me, it's been done a hundred times on these forums alone, and all that happens is the hardcore atheists childishly insult those who believe in religion ("fairy tales" is a common word I see used - clearly such people are incapable of showing even an ounce of respect to their peers), while the fundamentalists tell them they're going to Hell/Gehenna/Jahannam/whatever. It's stupid, it's pointless, and it can only end badly. My remark was nearly throwaway, really - your post just seemed to infer that you would remain atheistic even if you had conclusive proof of God. Everyone would be theist, technically, but it'd be a moot point. New terms would presumably arise; I guess 'antiestablishmentarianism' would be the closest equivalent we have now (antitheism carries different connotations).

But really, we shouldn't be talking so much on what was simply a small point. xD;

I no your not questioning my beliefs but what Im trying to say is that REGARDLESS OF WHETHER OR NOT I KNEW GOD EXSISTED, I WOULD NOT WORSHIP HIM. I DONT BELIEVE IN GOD. IF HE WAS PROVEN TO EXSIST I WOULD OBVIOUSLY BELIEVE AS BEING A PHYSICS STUDENT I AM A SLAVE TO FACT. BUT I WOULD NOT WORSHIP HIM AS A DEITY.

Sorry for being so blunt, i just dont like being misunderstood.

GymLeaderMisty December 12th, 2009 1:56 AM

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If I were to give a considered opinion, I'd say it was more likely that God does not exist, mainly because scientific evidence and philosophical evidence from people like Hume, Russell and Singer.
I did not bump that thread.

Apophenia? What Singer are you talking about? Peter Singer? I idolize him... but I do not think he has said anything insightful (as a philosopher about the existence of God.) He is an insightful ethicist though.

GreenStorm December 12th, 2009 7:04 AM

I do believe in God, but I'm not Christian; I'm Muslim. I don't really shove my religion down people's throats. I just believe in what I want.

.little monster December 12th, 2009 8:29 AM

I am not an Atheist, as it is illogical. As well as blind faith.

This is what I believe:

The person who believes in God but is skeptical and understands the possibility of God not existing and existing will be ultimately rewarded in the end if there is a God, while he looses nothing if God does not exist. <- Me

The person who believes in God without a doubt and refuses to listen to the possibility of God not existing will be ultimately rewarded in the end as well. But they will loose everything (as in, the basis for their mentality) if God does not exist.

The person who doesn't believe in God and doubts and refuses to listen to the possibility of God existing will not be ultimately rewarded in the end. But, they will loos nothing if God does not exist.

There is an actual term for this, and it is technically Agnostic, but there is another name for it..

The Cynic December 12th, 2009 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by t.A.T.u (Post 5389731)
But, they will loos nothing if God does not exist.

They loose out on the chance to live life to the full and to know the truth.

Virtual Chatot December 12th, 2009 11:30 AM

In my experience, Atheists tend to just poke fun and harass people who actually have religious beliefs. Very rarely do I ever find one that actually tries to have a friendly argument with someone over the existence of God, and almost always it is the Atheist who makes the arguments turn sour.

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Originally Posted by The Cynic (Post 5390096)
They loose out on the chance to live life to the full and to know the truth.

Living life to the fullest? How is trying to live a moral life inhibiting you from living life to the fullest? Having sex with everyone and everything fulfils your existence in the universe?

Jordan December 12th, 2009 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by The Cynic (Post 5390096)
They lose out on the chance to live life to the full and to know the truth.

It's debatable whether the atheist standpoint is the truth or not, just saying.

.little monster December 12th, 2009 1:28 PM

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Originally Posted by The Cynic (Post 5390096)
They loose out on the chance to live life to the full and to know the truth.

Whether or not Atheism or devotion is the truth is up to interpretation, and no one person can know which is the truth.

poopnoodle December 12th, 2009 1:45 PM

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Living life to the fullest? How is trying to live a moral life inhibiting you from living life to the fullest? Having sex with everyone and everything fulfils your existence in the universe?
=3=

Perhaps what The Cynic is trying to say is, that having confidence in a god and having certainty of where you came from and where you're going after death, is to miss out on the opportunity to revel in possibility.

The Cynic December 12th, 2009 1:46 PM

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Originally Posted by t.A.T.u (Post 5390226)
Whether or not Atheism or devotion is the truth is up to interpretation, and no one person can know which is the truth.

I agree, until us scientists can prove otherwise. In the mean time I think us aethiests and you theists should just co-exsist so long as religious beliefs are not forced upon individuals and people retain their free will. My point about living life to the full is about not spending time worshipping something that I don't believe exsists or not having freedom of sexual expression, freedom to write and say what you want, carry out scientific research etc. Although I guess if you wanted those things and did still believe in a magical bearded man who lives in the sky and makes bad things happen then you could be a Deist. But would your Desim take you to the point where you recognise the irrationality or religion and particularly religious law? Eventually yes.

.little monster December 12th, 2009 1:55 PM

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Originally Posted by The Cynic (Post 5390260)
I agree, until us scientists can prove otherwise. In the mean time I think us aethiests and you theists should just co-exsist so long as religious beliefs are not forced upon individuals and people retain their free will. My point about living life to the full is about not spending time worshipping something that I don't believe exsists or not having freedom of sexual expression, freedom to write and say what you want, carry out scientific research etc. Although I guess if you wanted those things and did still believe in a magical bearded man who lives in the sky and makes bad things happen then you could be a Deist. But would your Desim take you to the point where you recognise the irrationality or religion and particularly religious law? Eventually yes.

You cant prove God doesn't exist because he is supposed to live in a realm that humans cant see or discover.

Virtual Chatot December 12th, 2009 2:09 PM

I'm still not understanding how one's belief in no higher spirituality makes one any more free than the theist. Do you feel any more free? Do you feel like you've ascertained any kind of higher knowledge or thought? Or do you feel nothing, which drives you to try to prove to yourself that there is no God by arguing with others who do believe?

The Cynic December 12th, 2009 2:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Virtual Chatot (Post 5390316)
I'm still not understanding how one's belief in no higher spirituality makes one any more free than the theist. Do you feel any more free? Do you feel like you've ascertained any kind of higher knowledge or thought? Or do you feel nothing, which drives you to try to prove to yourself that there is no God by arguing with others who do believe?

OK I'm not trying to be petty and insult your faith. I feel more free because if I wanted to be homosexual or bisexual or even pansexual I could be without fear of burning in hell. I don't need to follow religious law for fear of not going to heaven. I can have complete freedom of thought because lets face it freedom of thought cannot exsist under an omniscient god. I do not have to plan my life in order to have a better afterlife. I will live, and I will die. Dawn to dusk. So I make the most of the day. I have travelled much of the world and wish to do so again once I finish with university. I visited a mosque in Egypt. I saw the people worship and did not have hate for them and was not threatened by them. They were good people. The kindest people I met on my travels were from Egypt. So why in the media do we see such people as violent and evil? Because people use religion as an excuse for the aquisition of power. Religion exploits peoples uncertainties about life and fear of death and uses it to obtain more wealth. Islamic fundamentalism is an example of this. But these are good people blinded by the light and doing this because religion has brainwashed them into thinking if they dont do this then in the afterlife they will be punished. They dont reap the benefits, their so-called religious leaders do. The Klu Klux Klan, The Lord's Resistance Army and the Freedomites are other examples. The deluded individuals who are low down in these organisations are exploited and forced into horrible situations by their leaders who sit back and enjoy what they've gained. Money, power, respect and most importantly total control of other human beings. That is why I believe without religion I am much more free.

Sorry for making such a serious point on a usually lighthearted forum, I just like to make myself clear.

lx_theo December 12th, 2009 4:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Virtual Chatot (Post 5390316)
I'm still not understanding how one's belief in no higher spirituality makes one any more free than the theist. Do you feel any more free? Do you feel like you've ascertained any kind of higher knowledge or thought? Or do you feel nothing, which drives you to try to prove to yourself that there is no God by arguing with others who do believe?

It really depends of how much of a hold it has on the person. If the religion makes the person center their life around it and the promised eternal existence that comes after death, then they'll be bound to living their life for the afterlife rather than for the here and now. People who just believe in it often have a much smaller effect of living for their afterlife than other. Now atheistic people who don't believe in that afterlife can live in the here and now and make the most of their life.

Lana. December 12th, 2009 7:17 PM

In the sense that I'm skeptical about the existence of deities, I suppose. I believe in evolution and the Big Bang Theory. So, in short, yes.

(You have no idea how much I wanted to go on longer for this. xDD)

FlameShocker December 12th, 2009 8:16 PM

Nah, I can't say that I'm an atheist. I'm far from it, since I'm Roman Catholic (meaning I believe in the Pope; deal with it if you don't).

Spinor December 13th, 2009 12:21 AM

If I ever count myself as an atheist that severely reduces my chances of getting with any girl.

With that in mind, I don't think I'll be chasing atheism, thank you very much.

The Cynic December 13th, 2009 2:14 AM

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Originally Posted by AdvancedK47 (Post 5391499)
If I ever count myself as an atheist that severely reduces my chances of getting with any girl.

With that in mind, I don't think I'll be chasing atheism, thank you very much.

What? How does being an aethiest reduce your chances of being with a girl? Surely the opposite would be true as aethiests generally don't believe in chastity?

processr December 13th, 2009 3:30 AM

[QUOTE=mOOG;5387692You say "impossible"... Objectivity, espcially when combined with irrationality is a powerful influence. How many people do you think would, realistically, even with so much proof in a specific god, would desert what they have been taught and held to as truth for so much time? Not to make this a big fat hairy deal, but think about it. All of you.[/QUOTE]

The situation I had described was an idealised one wherein there was conclusive proof of God's existence revealed to everyone. I know there are people who would choose not to abandon the tenets of their faith - see Shouty McCapsLock below me - but it was a completely hypothetical statement. Really, people are taking the tiniest little piece of information from what I was saying and blowing it well out of proportion.

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Originally Posted by The Cynic (Post 5387930)
I no your not questioning my beliefs but what Im trying to say is that REGARDLESS OF WHETHER OR NOT I KNEW GOD EXSISTED, I WOULD NOT WORSHIP HIM. I DONT BELIEVE IN GOD. IF HE WAS PROVEN TO EXSIST I WOULD OBVIOUSLY BELIEVE AS BEING A PHYSICS STUDENT I AM A SLAVE TO FACT. BUT I WOULD NOT WORSHIP HIM AS A DEITY.

Sorry for being so blunt, i just dont like being misunderstood.

I wasn't even arguing against your point. :| Jeez, lighten up.

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Originally Posted by ribozyme (Post 5389355)
Apophenia? What Singer are you talking about? Peter Singer? I idolize him... but I do not think he has said anything insightful (as a philosopher about the existence of God.) He is an insightful ethicist though.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/may/17/goodgod

He is much more renowned for his work in the field of ethics, but he has dabbled in philosophy.

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Originally Posted by Virtual Chatot (Post 5390101)
In my experience, Atheists tend to just poke fun and harass people who actually have religious beliefs. Very rarely do I ever find one that actually tries to have a friendly argument with someone over the existence of God, and almost always it is the Atheist who makes the arguments turn sour.

This.

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Originally Posted by FlameShocker (Post 5391161)
(meaning I believe in the Pope; deal with it if you don't)

Surely you can't not believe in the Pope? xD I've seen him on TV, I know he exists, but I'm not Roman Catholic. o3o I think you mean that you believe in papal infallibility. :3

.little monster December 13th, 2009 6:29 AM

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Originally Posted by The Cynic (Post 5391588)
What? How does being an aethiest reduce your chances of being with a girl? Surely the opposite would be true as aethiests generally don't believe in chastity?

I can see that being true for multiple reasons, all of which stem from her knowing you're atheist:

1. She thinks you have lower morals and therefore might do something bad.
2. She thinks you will push her faith unto you.
3. She wants to raise her children religiously, and you being athiest would cause tension.
4. She doesn't want to date someone of another religion. hick

And more

BUG♥CATCHER★BREEZE December 13th, 2009 11:54 AM

Personally, I don't have any religion. Living in Ireland and hearing about what all the priests did to those children, as well as all the brainwashing in Primary Schools makes me never want to be involved in Catholicism. Also, everyone here hypocrites. They all go and have their first communion, and get confirmed just to make money, as far I tell, as they never go to mass! That said, there are loads of people who do good because the influence of their religion, and the chaplain in my school is just in a state of complete serenity 24/7, which I'm sure makes a lot of people very envious(!)

I Laugh at your Misfortune! December 13th, 2009 4:07 PM

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Originally Posted by t.A.T.u (Post 5391812)
I can see that being true for multiple reasons, all of which stem from her knowing you're atheist:

1. She thinks you have lower morals and therefore might do something bad.
2. She thinks you will push her faith unto you.
3. She wants to raise her children religiously, and you being athiest would cause tension.
4. She doesn't want to date someone of another religion. hick

And more

That would surely depend entirely on the girl in question. There are (shock and awe) female atheists and surely you could make a case that she would prefer an atheist boyfriend to a religious one.

twocows December 14th, 2009 7:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Armoire of Invincibility (Post 5393246)
That would surely depend entirely on the girl in question. There are (shock and awe) female atheists and surely you could make a case that she would prefer an atheist boyfriend to a religious one.

Not to mention that choosing a religion so you can "get the chicks" is offensive both to the religion and to women in general. Of course, it makes for a great troll.

GymLeaderMisty December 14th, 2009 8:40 PM

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Originally Posted by twocows (Post 5394434)
Not to mention that choosing a religion so you can "get the chicks" is offensive both to the religion and to women in general. Of course, it makes for a great troll.

I do not want to follow a religion to impress members of the opposite gender, but I want to imitate the religion of my role models. So what is Ash Ketchum's religion? I am too dumb to think for myself as I find it easier to imitate people. I do not want to think about the morality, epistemology ,evidence, and other philosophical issues about religion; maybe Ash thought this through.

Lickitung2009 December 25th, 2009 9:08 PM

I don't really ever go to church, and I don't really beleive in god so i guess i'm an atheist. but i don't think being one would lower your chance of being with a girl, but it really depends on the girl.

Akio123 December 26th, 2009 6:13 PM

Um, I'm an athiest...I don't really know what else to say other than that.

Trap-Eds December 26th, 2009 9:47 PM

The below is just my opinion; I mean no offense to anyone else or to their values.

I wouldn't say I'm an atheist. Over the past year I've come to the conclusion that religion is merely traditions and values people follow to understand the world and how it works, and I just think I don't need to believe in something or live my life a certain way to understand the world. But I'm also not going to say that none of the former is true/false/impossible since I just can't know for sure. I just choose not to bother myself with religious affairs.

.Fenris December 27th, 2009 11:55 AM

Uh, I guess a general Christian, Myownism.

Oh, yeah and keep up the immature passing shots, people, makes me proud to consider myself a human being... >.<

Noone can just say "I'm Catholic/Agnostic/Atheist/Whatever."

Harmonie December 27th, 2009 12:53 PM

I'm not an atheist, although I was pretty much one in 11th and 12th grade.

It wasn't me, though, and I became kind of a jerk about it. I told one girl in band class that she was living a lie because she was a Christian. lol. She was being annoying to me, though. She always made a big deal about it and always had to tell me that "Jesus loves me." everyday. Still what I said was uncalled for.

Still I don't go to church, and I have my own beliefs. I never want to be seen as one of those Christians that hates on the LGBT community, because really I do not believe that they are right at all... Plus when they do that it just shows me what kind of people they are, to find a few random verses in an ancient book to hate on people.

Speetz December 27th, 2009 2:04 PM

I've practiced Buddhism for the past four years or so now, and it's gotten me through alot, including a heroin addiction. And reason being is it is a religion not about traditions or faith, but about training ones mind and living a moral life. Most Eastern religions follow a similar vein and make waaaay more sense to me than Western ones, especially what many people have turned Western religion into, especially Christianity. It's sad to see so many people take a religion that was once beautiful and turn it into some hate-fest filled with nonsensical codes of conduct. And no I'm not trying to say Christianity is nonsensical, but the way a mass majority of people interpret it is. Or maybe they just use it as an excuse, I'm not really sure.

But anyway, in Eastern thought, Buddhism especially, it's about taking the teachings and trying them out for ones self to find the validity in them. That's what really turned me onto the whole thing.

Kitty! December 27th, 2009 3:00 PM

I'm atheist yes. I wasn't always though. Years ago I believed that there was some kinda of God, and slowly I stopped believing, because nothing ever went well for me, even though I asked for help. I just couldn't believe anymore. And I always listed myself as agnostic, because I had no clue what to believe.

About two years ago, I finally listed myself as Atheist, because I truly don't believe in anything and I really don't want to tbh.

MastaMind December 29th, 2009 3:56 PM

Where does "I believe in god, but don't go to church" person fit in the whole... religious catagory?

Åzurε December 29th, 2009 5:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Apophenia (Post 5391651)
The situation I had described was an idealised one wherein there was conclusive proof of God's existence revealed to everyone. I know there are people who would choose not to abandon the tenets of their faith - see Shouty McCapsLock below me - but it was a completely hypothetical statement. Really, people are taking the tiniest little piece of information from what I was saying and blowing it well out of proportion.

Feh, I understand that was an idealized circumstance. I simply don't like absolutes, and I was making a point which, at it's core, was meant to be unrelated to your post. Notice it was actually directed at everyone. That was a while ago anyhow. One of those things that seemed like a good idea at the time.




Poor Shouty McCapsLock...

aurevesque December 29th, 2009 5:24 PM

Oh wow... that's a lot of arguments!
well, I"m not aetheist. I'm Chrisitian. But, i'm not gonna go around knocking people over the head with the Bible just 'cause they dont' share my beliefs.

jkid101094 December 29th, 2009 7:39 PM

I probably should've thrown this in my intro......

Yes, yes i'm athiest.

yaminokaitou December 30th, 2009 6:09 AM

I am a Christian. I have been nearly my entire life. As are my parents, who sent me to religious private schools since I was a kid (Christian schools are a BIG thing in my denomination). I still follow the faith I grew up and attend church quite regularly, as well as pray and read the Bible.

Whimsy December 30th, 2009 8:46 PM

Yes, I am an Atheist.
I don't personally care about religion, I just choose to ignore it.

Iron Maiden December 31st, 2009 9:56 AM

Im an atheist. I dont believe in any God or higher being, ive never been to church and there are a lot of aspects of organised religion that i dont agree with, but wont go into that here.

Of course i respect other peoples right to a religion, just provided that they in turn respect others right not to have one.

Deoxys Ribonuke December 31st, 2009 11:14 AM

Well, I think I'd personally consider myself an atheist, in the tense that I don't follow any sort of religious dogma.

However, I do hold a belief that there may be some sort of external force that could have ignited the spark that is life: I mean, there are so many things and creatures that just cam BAM! right the heck outta nowhere, so much so that I doubt it was just happenstance and straight-up natural evolution.

Sometimes I wonder if we're not just a science experiment of some alien race. If one thinks about it, it could be feasible... For example, whenever we govern an ecosystem of small creatures of sourts, say an antfarm, the creatures are barely sentient enough to even know that we humans are even there. Who is to say that we are fully aware of what is governing us? How do we know there isn't some strange alien presence watching over us?

This, for all intents and purposes, could BE a god or deity of sourts. People can interpret it whatever way they wish, and I rightfully respect their opinion.

My problem with religion, though, is that some people use it to control the lives of other people. For example, there are still some who discriminate against homosexuals and other 'deviants' simply because 'God' forbids it. How are we to know what 'God' forbids and permits? Do we present rules for the ants in our antfarm, or do we just watch them in wonderment for what they are, fascinated at their society and function?

Ahh, enough of my blathering; I felt it necessary to reflect upon my own beliefs and such, for this post was intended to incite thought in its readers, not argument. ^^;;

Bianca Paragon December 31st, 2009 5:57 PM

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Originally Posted by AdvancedK47 (Post 5391499)
If I ever count myself as an atheist that severely reduces my chances of getting with any girl.

With that in mind, I don't think I'll be chasing atheism, thank you very much.

And the award for the most unbelievably nonsensical comment of the DECADE goes to...YOU!

Cheesymitten January 1st, 2010 6:53 AM

I was baptised a Christian.
However I don't get much of it. I have my own choice and I don't believe in God or anything.
But that's just what I think.

Uecil January 1st, 2010 7:14 AM

i am not an athesist, i believe in god,satan and jesus i believe in it all im a christian really


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