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gummybarz November 21st, 2009 6:42 PM

Are Spanish hacks better then English hacks?
 
Over the year I have been hacking I have seen many hacks, some hacks that are good, bad, amazing, and awful. When I first started hacking I guess you could say I was a "NOOB" I went to youtube after I already found out what rom emulation was and I typed in rom hacking. I watched a brief video on map hacking then in the description it gave me a link to this site called "Whack a hack" it sounded a bit out of the ordinary to me. I clicked the link and it took me to the site, there I found some very good hacks such as Pokemon shiny gold, liquid crystal, ruby destiney, etc. After that I decided to check out there forum but there forum was in spanish, I went to a couple of hacks and seen how much they edited the backgrounds, the title screens, and tiles. At that time I didn't know how to do any of those things I barely even knew how to map out a town. Then I found great sites such as pokemon board and pokemon hackers online and then I finally found poke community. I then created an account because when I tried to download some tools it wouldn't let me. I then went to the emulation section and then to the rom hacking section there I seen some of the hacks people have posted on this site and they were good but I still thought wah's hacks were better. So then that made me ask my self a question, were spanish hackers better then english hackers? And were spahish hacks better edited then english hacks? These questions has been in my head for some time now and now I finally posted this thread to see your views on this matter.

In my option I would say spanish hacks have great potential, such as in the tiles they have edited the scipts and the events within the game. When it comes right down to it I would say spanish hacks have better graphics then english hacks. I'm not saying spanish hacks are better i'm just saying they have better graphics then english one's. I'm undecided, I don't really think it matters if your spanish, english, german, british, italy, australlian, or an alien, what matters is how much time and effort is spent on hack and your dedication to a hack that's what really matters.

But I would like your own personal opinion on this, do you think spanish hacks that you have played are better or more planned out then english hacks?

sky_queen3 November 22nd, 2009 3:24 AM

You know the one problem with Spanish/Itallian hacks? They're not English! How am I supposed to play the awesome hacks if I can't speak the language? :(

Logan November 22nd, 2009 4:05 AM

Lol what is this I don't even. :/ Um, yeah, Spanish hacks may be good, but so are English hacks. I wouldn't say every Spanish hack was more outstanding than an English one.

Banjora Marxvile November 22nd, 2009 4:19 AM

It isn't the language, but the creator, and time put in. The extremely good hacks have had TONNES of time put into them. Regardless of language. Basically, it isn't the language, but the effort and enthusiasm.

sab November 22nd, 2009 4:21 AM

In general they are. that's because a lot of them still learn how to hex edit things. this is a big help because then they know how things actually work, and not just that "it when I click this big button in this tool" I'm not saying that they don't have as many tools in their language as we have in ours, I'm saying that the difference is that they take more time and can impliment really cool features.

Tropical Sunlight November 22nd, 2009 4:53 AM

They sure are graphics-wise! :P

Co500 November 22nd, 2009 5:02 AM

its not really if there Spanish or English its how much effort you put into your hack, alos shiny gold isnt Spanish I believe

Ivysaur November 22nd, 2009 5:04 AM

It's not the language, it's the hacker that matters.

There are some great Spanish hackers, but, as far as I know, people like Coolboyman aren't Spanish, precisely.

Matteron (96) November 22nd, 2009 5:13 AM

It really depends on how much time the hacker puts into the hack.

P.S. what about Italian hackers huh? *starts to mumble*

Pokepal17 November 22nd, 2009 5:46 AM

It depends on the hacker's ability, not the hacker's nationality.

HackMew November 22nd, 2009 6:35 AM

You know, you pretty much said it:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sakari (Post 5340166)
I'm undecided, I don't really think it matters if your spanish, english, german, british, italy, australlian, or an alien, what matters is how much time and effort is spent on hack and your dedication to a hack that's what really matters.


Satoshi Ookami November 22nd, 2009 7:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sky_queen3 (Post 5341016)
You know the one problem with Spanish/Itallian hacks? They're not English! How am I supposed to play the awesome hacks if I can't speak the language? :(

That's why we have PC where are translators ;)

On topic. As others mentioned the nationality does NOT matter, if the Spanish/Brazil/Italian and so on hackers have better hacks when you compare it it's your own opinion.
As for me I'd like to understand the hack not just in script way but also in NPC's speech way so I need ones which have language I understand. (of course if it's not hack I'm translating to English xD)

Masterge77 November 22nd, 2009 7:46 AM

No, Engish hacks are the best, GO AMERICA!!!!!!!!!!

Aliens November 22nd, 2009 7:54 AM

Well I usually don't care where the hack I'm playing is from as long as I can play it. Even if it eventually turns out to be an awful one, I never try to find it out and then discriminate against the hacks from that country. It's simply wrong to do that. Making a bad hack does not mean that every hack from that country is supposedly terrible.

Vrai November 22nd, 2009 9:00 PM

Saying that English hacks are better than Spanish hacks or vice versa is just like saying that Ruby hacks are better than FireRed hacks, when they are obviously dependent upon the hacker's skills, determination, etc. Also, I'm thinking that part of the reason why it seems that Spanish hacks would be better is that English people tend to jump the gun a bit, and release a "hack" that's nowhere near the quality it could be if they spent more time before trying to become popular. ):

Alice November 22nd, 2009 9:31 PM

Language has nothing to do with it... -.-

Zeffy November 24th, 2009 4:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by QuilavaKing (Post 5343619)
Language has nothing to do with it... -.-

I second this notion, the hacker's skills is what matters. Also, like Vrai said, saying Spanish hacks are better than English ones is like saying Ruby hacks are better than Fire Red hacks.

Clasico November 24th, 2009 9:17 AM

Well, I am Spanish and I can say you that I HATE Spanish hackers (well, not ALL the Spanish hackers). Why? Well, they create a lot of fantastic hacks... (irony) and if you can't create a hacker as good as their, you cannot do any hack.
PS: That occurs me... I published a hack in Spanish in a Spanish webside (it was a parody of Pokemon Yellow, that had all text changed to be humoristic. ONLY I edited the texts...) and they said that it was the WORST hack ever. Ok, it wasn't marvelous, but... The WORST?? And what were their reasons?
...
Because I didn't edit any map. Oh, and also said me that the hacks of 1st and 2nd generation are worst than the hacks of 3rd generation. That's the reason that I hack 1st and 2nd generation games (yes).
Well, the panorama is very different. I think, the English hackers give more importance to the history (Pokemon BROWN), and the Spanish hackers give more importance to the "graffics" (Pokemon SHINY GOLD).

Pokepal17 November 24th, 2009 1:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clasico (Post 5346797)
Well, I am Spanish and I can say you that I HATE Spanish hackers (well, not ALL the Spanish hackers). Why? Well, they create a lot of fantastic hacks... (irony) and if you can't create a hacker as good as their, you cannot do any hack.
PS: That occurs me... I published a hack in Spanish in a Spanish webside (it was a parody of Pokemon Yellow, that had all text changed to be humoristic. ONLY I edited the texts...) and they said that it was the WORST hack ever. Ok, it wasn't marvelous, but... The WORST?? And what were their reasons?
...
Because I didn't edit any map. Oh, and also said me that the hacks of 1st and 2nd generation are worst than the hacks of 3rd generation. That's the reason that I hack 1st and 2nd generation games (yes).
Well, the panorama is very different. I think, the English hackers give more importance to the history (Pokemon BROWN), and the Spanish hackers give more importance to the "graffics" (Pokemon SHINY GOLD).

I see what you're tyring to say.

But I think it's just sterotyping Spanish hackers.

And Zel focuses on scripting, not graphics, so you're wrong there. :3

edes November 24th, 2009 3:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sky_queen3 (Post 5341016)
You know the one problem with Spanish/Itallian hacks? They're not English! How am I supposed to play the awesome hacks if I can't speak the language? :(

But I do understand them :D

Ninja Caterpie November 24th, 2009 9:22 PM

The reason everyone likes Spanish hackers is the graphics. Graphix this, graphix that. Most of the Spanish hackers care way too much about graphics.

Luck November 24th, 2009 9:33 PM

You are right when it comes to hackers in general. However, I do think that non-Spanish hackers usually make great hacks, especially when comparing them to some of the garbage you see here that says 'I need help because I can't hack!!1!11!11oneshift'. Spanish hacks overall are good, but barely any of them are great from what I've seen.
I do like how none of you even answered the last question. I personally found Spanish hacks to be more enjoyable overall, but maybe that is just me.

Sarcastic Prince November 25th, 2009 12:30 AM

No, they aren't.
It just matters how the Hacker spends the time and effort on the Hack.
Language doesn't matter, they'll eventully turn into
a language you understand anyways. And that's what I do to Hacks.

The only reason that some people seem to think that Spanish Hacks
are better than English Hacks is because of the Graphics,
OWs, etc.

You can do the same thing to English Hacks, in my opinion.
Both of them rock, in my opinion.
But language isn't one thing you have to matter.

IAMYourReason November 25th, 2009 9:44 PM

Man I'm glad I speak Spanish as a second language. WaH was the first place I visited too, and I was surprised to see that it was in spanish.

l0l20r2 November 26th, 2009 11:59 AM

When i read the topic i just knew that throughout the whole thread people would just be repeating eachother. The answer was kind of obvious from the very beginning imo. Only someone who is prejudice or racist would disagree and say that race matters lmao....

-Smash November 27th, 2009 3:33 PM

Looks like it might be a good idea to check the place out, and not limit myself to the tools section this time.


But why would it matter to me? My native language is spanish, and I can equally understand english like if it also was. : P

BrokenRoses November 27th, 2009 11:07 PM

OK ppl STOP reposting this same question!
EVERYONE IS EQUAL! No mater what age, color or race, everyone can hack just as good as the other if they try. Plus my hacks are super good and im British so I dont know where I land in this topic lol. But suriously is u have a question like this topic, read the others already posted and stop spaming the same question. Haha 3Inferations for you lol

Ninja Caterpie November 27th, 2009 11:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BrokenRoses (Post 5356645)
OK ppl STOP reposting this same question!
EVERYONE IS EQUAL! No mater what age, color or race, everyone can hack just as good as the other if they try. Plus my hacks are super good and im British so I dont know where I land in this topic lol. But suriously is u have a question like this topic, read the others already posted and stop spaming the same question. Haha 3Inferations for you lol

what is this i don't even.

Luck November 27th, 2009 11:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ninja Caterpie (Post 5356661)
what is this i don't even.

Well, it works like this. Even though everyone is equal, some are more equal than others. I think BrokenRoses is leading us to a quote from Animal Farm, a very good movie if I say so myself =P


Quote:

OK ppl STOP reposting this same question!
EVERYONE IS EQUAL! No mater what age, color or race, everyone can hack just as good as the other if they try. Plus my hacks are super good and im British so I dont know where I land in this topic lol. But suriously is u have a question like this topic
Ego much?
Quote:

read the others already posted and stop spaming the same question. Haha 3Inferations for you lol
You are basically doing the same thing by regurgitating what everyone else said. Everyone is equal, regardless of features, yadda, yadda, yadda.

.Seth November 27th, 2009 11:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Luck (Post 5356672)

Well, it works like this. Even though everyone is equal, some are more equal than others.

How can you be more equal than equal? o.o
I really don't understand; I'm sorry.

Luck November 27th, 2009 11:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by .Seth (Post 5356674)


How can you be more equal than equal? o.o
I really don't understand; I'm sorry.

That was the whole point of what I said.
Anyone who is more than something is clearly unequal, and that was the point of Animal Farm. To show the flaws in communism and the like.
Alright BrokenRoses, I have a question. Are you saying that one of the Kalahari Bushmen have the exact same chance of being a successful hacker as a Ivy League Professor?

BrokenRoses November 28th, 2009 12:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Luck (Post 5356676)

That was the whole point of what I said.
Anyone who is more than something is clearly unequal, and that was the point of Animal Farm. To show the flaws in communism and the like.
Alright BrokenRoses, I have a question. Are you saying that one of the Kalahari Bushmen have the exact same chance of being a successful hacker as a Ivy League Professor?

If they care then yes they do. I was a noob and now i know everything so it doesnt mean that anyone else cant learn as well. Understand what Im saying.

Ray Maverick November 29th, 2009 10:44 AM

I noticed that Spanish hackers are making hacks with pretty good appearance, while English hackers are making good hacks - scripting wise.
Maybe Spanish/ Italian hackers are the best artists, but we can't say they are BETTER than English hackers.

~Teh Panda~ November 29th, 2009 11:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BrokenRoses (Post 5356733)
If they care then yes they do. I was a noob and now i know everything so it doesnt mean that anyone else cant learn as well. Understand what Im saying.

Umm, you still are a noob if you talk like that... you don't even know CLOSE to everything...

Anyways... Spanish hacks are mainly graphical. They mainly use whack a hck which basically is all thr gfx skills you need. While generally english peoplr use pc to hack and gain different skills from the info here.

TAKUORO November 29th, 2009 8:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clasico (Post 5346797)
Well, I am Spanish and I can say you that I HATE Spanish hackers (well, not ALL the Spanish hackers). Why? Well, they create a lot of fantastic hacks... (irony) and if you can't create a hacker as good as their, you cannot do any hack.
PS: That occurs me... I published a hack in Spanish in a Spanish webside (it was a parody of Pokemon Yellow, that had all text changed to be humoristic. ONLY I edited the texts...) and they said that it was the WORST hack ever. Ok, it wasn't marvelous, but... The WORST?? And what were their reasons?
...
Because I didn't edit any map. Oh, and also said me that the hacks of 1st and 2nd generation are worst than the hacks of 3rd generation. That's the reason that I hack 1st and 2nd generation games (yes).
Well, the panorama is very different. I think, the English hackers give more importance to the history (Pokemon BROWN), and the Spanish hackers give more importance to the "graffics" (Pokemon SHINY GOLD).

none of us said you that, just one or two that sayed that you should change other thing, the page is going in a lot of trouble because the forum translated, some hackers are very angry at this and they get mad at everything.
2 of the really say that the hack was bad, but as I said before, they're mad because of the forum translation

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ninja Caterpie (Post 5348918)
The reason everyone likes Spanish hackers is the graphics. Graphix this, graphix that. Most of the Spanish hackers care way too much about graphics.

Unfortunaly, that´s true, well some hackers prefer graphics, but the 90% looks for scripts,mapping and graphics in that order.
Rarely, the other 10% are the ones that are mad
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Now, about the tread...

No, A hack depends on the hacker ability and creative ability, not he's nationalite.
and btw, shiny gold isn't spanish -.-

And another thing, the english hacking gets more people, the spanish get new people, but they almost always quit after a month or two, and the most that stays, they just learn to insert tiles and mappping because they say that is the easiest part

And for million time, please excuse my english

Satoshi Ookami November 30th, 2009 8:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TAKUORO (Post 5362422)

and btw, shiny gold isn't spanish -.-

I think those said it 'cause Zel is from Argentina where is Spanish native language.

Pokepal17 November 30th, 2009 1:15 PM

Guys, this is sterotyping people because their nationality has no impact on the way they hack. You say Spanish hackers focus on graphics. Well, so do English hackers and Italian hackers and French hackers, so we're practically all the same. Also, Spanish hacks may have more distinct and pleasing grpahics because they get them from WAH, which is a spanish forum.

Alistair November 30th, 2009 5:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ninja Caterpie (Post 5348918)
The reason everyone likes Spanish hackers is the graphics. Graphix this, graphix that. Most of the Spanish hackers care way too much about graphics.

I agree with this, but not fully. As I have only been to Wack-a-Hack, I cannot fully pass judgment on the situation.

It seems that this is what they care about most, at WaH. I would disagree on many counts of graphics usage, being a graphics artist myself, but that is up to the eyes of the viewer, I suppose. Tangent aside, the Spanish demos I have played always felt a little... empty. Sure, there was plenty of scenery, but there seemed to be no life in the hacks. While I do not speak Spanish, I can roughly figure out what the text is (and use Babelfish, haha), and it usually only seems like filler. In addition, because the people at WaH seem to care about aesthetics more than anything else, most of the maps were very broken. Some were nearly unplayable.

Besides, English hacks were getting to that point until some people stepped in and decided to say that there needs to be a balance of aesthetics and gameplay, and writing is still empty on our end of the rope, too.

But really, it's not a case of nationality or the hacker. It's really a case of the community. Hackers generally follow what are considered to be norms in each community, and some execute them better than others.

But then again, everyone has different opinions, so it's really up to the player to decide what is better.

--End Rant

DemonParia December 2nd, 2009 3:47 AM

A person that speaks a different language has no better aptitude at ROM Hacking than someone who speaks yet another language.

It is all about learning how to hack, making a QUALITY hack, and releasing it upon the world so it can eat people.

It doesn't matter what language it is in, it's the MAD SKILLZ required to make it that causes the hack to be liked.

chrunch December 3rd, 2009 1:35 AM

Spanish hacks do always seem to have better graphics...
But in my opinion, language doesn't matter, time and effort do.

Chimchar 9 December 3rd, 2009 10:25 AM

You know what? We're about the same. But at the moment I can say that Dante is Italian, and Wesley is Brazilian. I think these two hackers have made a lot of progress. So watch out! Because their might be a few more of these great Italian & Brazilian hackers that we haven't even heard about. And yet they might become the two best hacking countries.

Xaddion December 4th, 2009 3:27 PM

There are more english ROM users and english translations are used more, so english translations are inherently more important regardless of quality.

Don't say it doesn't matter to you. It does. If there is a Spanish/Italian/French Hack with extremely good graphics, the first thing you would think is "This hack had awesome graphics. It should be translated in English for me."

I Laugh at your Misfortune! December 4th, 2009 3:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Masterge77 (Post 5341363)
No, English hacks are the best, GO AMERICA!!!!!!!!!!

lol irony :P

Anyway, I have to say that well, although I'm not a major player of hacks, the best ones I've played have been made by Spanish-speaking hackers. I'm not saying that nationality affects your skill or that people who speak spanish are better than anyone else. I'm just saying that the best hack I've played have been made by Spanish speakers. Make of that what you will.

.Seth December 4th, 2009 3:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cheryl Cole ♥ (Post 5369600)
You know what? We're about the same. But at the moment I can say that Dante is Italian, and Wesley is Brazilian. I think these two hackers have made a lot of progress. So watch out! Because their might be a few more of these great Italian & Brazilian hackers that we haven't even heard about. And yet they might become the two best hacking countries.

If you'll notice, most real hackers (the ones who steal credit card numbers, etc) are not from English-speaking countries. I'm not saying WesleyFG or Dante are credit card stealers, I'm just saying that your point is rather flawed.

If only two people are the best ROM Hackers of their country, does that mean they represent their country as a whole? Of course not. ROM Hacking is a leisure, not a sport, although, that's almost what it's turning out to be, with elitist levels on the rise and more complete n00bs. It's a whoever-can-make-the-best-is-win-and-everyone-else-is-fail world almost.

It's sickening, really.

Chimchar 9 December 6th, 2009 4:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by .Seth (Post 5372254)


If you'll notice, most real hackers (the ones who steal credit card numbers, etc) are not from English-speaking countries. I'm not saying WesleyFG or Dante are credit card stealers, I'm just saying that your point is rather flawed.

If only two people are the best ROM Hackers of their country, does that mean they represent their country as a whole? Of course not. ROM Hacking is a leisure, not a sport, although, that's almost what it's turning out to be, with elitist levels on the rise and more complete n00bs. It's a whoever-can-make-the-best-is-win-and-everyone-else-is-fail world almost.

It's sickening, really.

I guess that makes sence.

pokemonhackers January 3rd, 2010 9:05 PM

Well i think so but if you do not know spanish then it is difficult using them thats why i like english better.But it is just me.

kingsven January 4th, 2010 3:36 AM

i also saw many cool looking spanish hacks but yeah tthey are spanish xD so i cant read it :p

Sora's Nobody January 11th, 2010 10:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Masterge77 (Post 5341363)
No, Engish hacks are the best, GO AMERICA!!!!!!!!!!

You know america isnt the only english speeking country and there are other english speeking countrys who hack

Co500 January 11th, 2010 11:08 AM

I agree with sora on that one as the language "english" comes from "england" because im and english hacker from england :)

Zeturic January 11th, 2010 1:59 PM

There are great hacks in both languages. There are down-right awful hacks in both languages. Neither is inherently, or even on average, better than the other.

It all comes down to the fact that there are both good hackers and bad hackers. This does not change even when culture and language changes.

Also, to the people complaining about not being able to read Spanish: this doesn't make the hack bad. Some games are fun without having any clue what they're talking about, but if it bothers you, then take the obvious route. Learn Spanish! (That's what Dora the Explorer is for.)

Cartmic January 12th, 2010 12:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Co500 (Post 5467356)
I agree with sora on that one as the language "english" comes from "england" because im and english hacker from england :)

Heya fellow English hacker! I'd like to know how many of us are active in the community.

Nonsense January 12th, 2010 4:40 AM

For me, i would say they are.

Argent Crusader January 13th, 2010 9:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sora's Nobody (Post 5467303)
You know america isnt the only english speeking country and there are other english speeking countrys who hack

And do you realize that America isn't even a country, but a continent?

And not exactly, Spanish hacks aren't better. They just tend to spam your eyes with any fancy tilesets or sprites they find. They don't care to make them all look alright in a map, they just put a little bit of everything around you.
While some English hacks aren't really revolutionary in terms of graphics, most of them looks just alright. All maps make sense and looks nice. That's pretty much of a flaw in Spanish hacks.

Esmas January 14th, 2010 12:26 PM

I agree with you, Kike. Spanish hacks aren't necessarily better than English hacks, though a lot of them are. It just depends on the overall gameplay of the hack. I've noticed that a lot of Spanish hacks use incorrect spelling, punctuation and capitalization, but then again so do some English hacks.

Graphic-wise, most Spanish hacks have solid tilesets and nice colours, but some of them lack in actual professionalism. English hacks have decent tilesets with little or no changes (some even making changes for the worse), but they have professional scripts.

But if I were to look through a list of either Spanish or English hacks, I'd choose Spanish. They almost never have the same graphics as on another, and just the fact that it's in another language makes the game look more flashy. For example, it's fun to see or play a Japanese game because it's got some cool fonts that you can't understand!

And yes, I do think that races have something to do with it. It's the way you think, and most people that come from the same place think the same way, because they speak the same language and were brought up the same way. It's like a trend. If you've seen American hackers versus Spanish, German, Italian, Filipino or other hackers, you'll see.

mattman324 January 22nd, 2010 12:27 PM

This whole topic is about racism. Someone who answers either is being racistic, wheather they like it or not.

In truth, most hacks are bad, and a lot of them are english. But there's NO way that you can say spanish, because that's forgetting the great things hackers such as Coolboyman (like it or not, Brown was possibly the first "Good" hack, that was back in the early 2000s.) or Zel (who really started the ball with hacking, along with the spanish Baro)

It all depends on the hacker. A good hacker goes over their work and makes sure it is good. Examples? Coolboyman, Zel, Baro (If it weren't for the sprites, Quartz would be brilliant), Destindjagold, Miksy91... there are also some newer ones who might become good, but haven't yet. And then there are the "Oooh, squirtle's in route 101, let's call it 'Awesomeruby'!" Now, it isn't as bad as Mario world hacks, but still...

But that doesn't mean that all bad hacks are from bad hackers. Miksy91, for example, started out with the buggy and odd Crystal World. CBM had Fukumon. You have to learn from your mistakes, learn how to make good mapping, spriting, story, ect.

So in the end? The hacker is the determining factor.

Ghost January 26th, 2010 7:19 PM

This is somewhat a worthless topic. I don't see why it matters. Were all the same just different race, and it depends on how much they practice wouldn't you think, it just doesn't come.

XCHAMPX January 26th, 2010 7:29 PM

No spanish is ALWAYS worse

Germaniac January 26th, 2010 9:24 PM

Well, it depends, Spanish hack is more beautiful

Ghost March 23rd, 2010 10:37 AM

whack a hack, i think their better than most here, but we have like a grup of talented hackers

Christos March 24th, 2010 4:05 AM

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