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I still find it easier and quicker to make image-based, but I think I'll make a CSS-Based one for NC. ^_^
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DIVs are actually not as easy as tables, that's just a fact. Tables are better constructed, more logical, and have better cross browser compatibility. Yes, you MAY see some slowness. Now with broadband though, that point is negligible.
So I know it sounds cool to say "Oh, DIVs are much easier for me then tables." but it's just not. And yes, Dragonfree will complain to me. But it's true. She also uses ASP over PHP, and I can't see the reason =P So nyah. I still respect her a lot as a webmaster though. |
I'm gonna learn how to make table layouts! I need a decent layout. I love my one, but it's too small, the text doesn't fit in it.
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Table-based layouts fail at life. :p
What do you guys think of the layout I have been working on for quite some time now? http://www.pokebeach.com/haha |
Sorry, but I hate the banner, it doesn't fit the colour scheme, and if I were you, make the background gray. =)
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The banner is a placeholder. I'm asking for opinions on the LAYOUT. :p
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Tables may be easier for basic layouts, but I find that CSS tends to be a lot more powerful - when working with images in tables, it's really easy to break stuff.
WPM, tbh I don't see a great deal of difference between this new one and the current one, but yeah, it looks fine. It's readable and functional, which is the main thing. |
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Nice job making the news prettier though, that did stand out for me. And you did a good job making a usable stretch layout. |
Well, it's not new, but it's "updated."
How else can I improve it, if I were to remake it? :p |
For the most part, I stay away from beach because I think it's fugly. Think the same with the new layout.
And CSS may be more powerful, but the idiots that still use IE5 can't see your site at all. Yeah, their fault, but there are the grandparents that don't know any better. For that reason and that reason alone, tables will help you along. |
Well, I doubt grandparents are visiting my site. Not only that, but according to site statistics, less than 1% of people who visit it use IE 5 or 5.5. Most use IE 6/7 and Firefox.
And no, tables suck. No one should use them, ever, except for tabular data. Sites who separate CSS and HTML are the way to go. Your comment on the layout being "fugly" was a very productive statement. |
Koroku, sorry, don't mean to flame you, but that comment was totally not-needed, you could have atleast said...
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I'm not backseat modding, it's just my two cents. Back on topic, how about a splash page with a style switcher, one could be tables, the other could be CSS? On the splash, explain what each one is good for? |
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Wooow, totally unneeded.
Not coming here anymore. Or is that what you two are trying to accomplish with your purposefully rude comments? |
Look, you guys, can we all just try and be less.. whats the right word... not rude... blunt? It can really hurt people feelings. We're starting fights over a layout, which I think is pretty good!
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WPM: In IE6, part of the bullet point list in the middle section goes beneath the layout, so you may wanna rectify that.
Anyway, I've only ever done layouts with tables (as of yet). I've been meaning to start trying CSS, but yeah, as of yet I've had no real problem with them ^^; |
I use PokeBeach, and I think that if you want to talk about bad layouts, look at Serebii.
His content rocks, he just needs to update the look of his site. |
Phrase, I totally agree with you!
I love you're sit layout, apart from the very top, with the Minimise, Maximise and Close buttons, it's better suited for a techno-site IMO. I should be getting a new layout soon, I'm hosting a contest on MMC. |
You realize that I ripped my layout from Windows Media Player 11? It's supposed to have those buttons ;D The bottom copyright background is the exact same as the background WMP uses. The border is also correct.
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Really? Wow, I never knew that! XD ^^;
I really should make a new layout for mine. =( |
Koroku and Thomas-san, there's no need to use such terms when talking about someone else's site. They obviously put effort into it and using that sort of phrasing doesn't serve any purpose except to incite a flame war.
Remember that at PC we expect everyone to respect other members' feelings. Keep everything civil and your criticism constructive, not rude. --FG |
Which isn't what I was attempting to say atall XD, thaks Forest for getting it through. =)
What do you think my new layout should look like? |
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I guess PC is a much different place, and that's a compliment (especially after being on Pokemon forums for over 7 years now and seeing the rise and fall of many). I only know of two other forum who have mods who care about the members and who are not corrupt. It's mine and the Gym's. :p If you are just like all the other mods here, then it will be added to my internal list. :D Gracias. Anyways, I just re-installed Immerse CMS and it's going pretty well. I still need to learn how to post news in it and make the templates more organized, but it seems like an awesome piece of help. Thanks to whoever suggested it to me here! |
I reported their posts, which is why a moderator addressed the issue~
Anyways, I believe it was Faltzer who suggested Immerse. And maybe NCharge could use a yellow and black layout. That's more electricity-looking IMO. And the splash page could definitely use a background and CSS effects, such as something other than TNR for a font. Good luck~ |
Yellow and black? It'll be hard to put together, but I could give it a shot, thanks, Phrase! And thanks for looking at it!
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Thanks for stepping in FG, I've been out all day. XD;
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When I had a layout switcher, I used two different layouts that included the content. If a user picked a different layout while on a content page, I had PHP pull the id, so that they'd be redirected to the same page. Else { index.php } if you know what I mean.
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God, this place has died and it's fustrating. Serebii's rubbish, MMC's isn't very active, as it doesn't have as many members as here, and I can't find any more! =(
Anyway... I need help on making a decent layout, I can't do it! |
Actually, Paul, PJN didn't have an actual style switcher, in my opinion. It was more like a "different style per different page.". Example:
http://pokejungle.net/wii.php3 http://pokejungle.net/index.php3 He laid his URLs as "?id=urlhere" to match with the current page, wii.php3, and so every URL had wii.php3?id=urlhere. Unless a user clicked a layout to choose, he was directed to the index itself, and not the page the user was currently in when applying the layout. I don't think I made any sense there, but yeah, pretty much what I think happens in scientific computer terms. |
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I get no problems with it. |
That's what I meant by the non-CSS styleswitcher - it's just including the same content into a different page. Not great for search engines either.
Caddug, this place's been dead for years. It probably had its heyday when Simone, Greg and I were running it... then it just went downhill. D: |
It's a big shame really. =(
Right, I am DETERMINED to make my own layout today! |
Good luck with that~
I hate making my own layouts. I'm a coder, not a graphics personz. |
What's up guys! I notice a lot of people saying that they aren't much of a designer, and more of a programmer. Well, I'm both! I've studied both design and programming, so I'm here to assist ;)
If anyone needs any suggestions or idea, drop me a line. just don't expect me to design a whole layout for you or program a script for you, coz that would be a big no no :P |
Yay! All the webmaster forums got merged into one!
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Not surprising. It was long overdue.
Matt is the best at design and XHTML~ go him. |
I'm starting to get fustrated with my site... the nav-bar's still messed up! =( I'm getting help on it though... =)
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Someone suggested it over in CQ&F, and I was happy with that - I assume Matt was too - so they merged them back. We split the forum when it was active; now that it's so inactive, we didn't need the subforums.
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So if it becomes active again, it'll be split back?
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You're using ?id= for it to work right, that's how it's a page-switcher, instead of an actual style switcher. |
I'd have to be really active for it to be split back.
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Somehow I don't see this place ever attaining the same activity level it had way back when. ._. Sad, but I guess things change.
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Pochama, you've changed you're name to Jedi_Amara again! (I've been looking around here ages!)
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I went back to my old username for awhile, but for now I like Phrase~
Nice to see JA back though. And yeah, she's right, it was a style switcher based on two different layouts including content, and the user could pick either one. |
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Yes, that's where I was getting to. I just couldn't find the right words to explain this 100% proper while making sense. My Pokedex script is working. Yes! Now all I have to do is find out how to make evolution chains. >_<; |
Evolution chains are a *****. I did mine manually (Digidex, but same kind of system). XD; I'm sure there's a better way, but I couldn't be bothered figuring it out.
I kept meaning to change my name back but never got round to it. XD |
Good good. XD
God, I can't think of anything to put on my site! Any ideas? |
Content perhaps? >D Seriously, you need to think of original content to have an even mildly successful Pokémon site these days. And it's no good asking us because if we have ideas we'll be using them ourselves. XD;
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Touché, my friend, touché.
I've got 1 or 2 ideas, and I can do that for the other generations of games, so that gives me what... 9 pages? But I can't do 3 of them untill I get Diamond. It comes out 27th July in England... =/, but it's only 25 quid. |
gah!!! Somebody please help me!!! I need someone to write some reviews for me...I got one person working, but he never comes online...
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I have to point out that Reviews are not incredibly hard to write.
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I've written reviews before, and they're not hard at all. Not even the minimum of hard.
I've just added an Admin CP on to the dex, mainly because phpMyAdmin is just a pain to work with, if you know what I mean. Hmm, I've greatly excelled on PHP and mySQL, ever since I've used "include" and "echo". |
gah, you guys are right. It's better to get reviews after my site opens now that I think about how my review system works.
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The old crew went through the place and left, and what they were replaced with was n00b webmasters. That's pretty much why it went inactive. -_-
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You better not be calling me a n00b web master. >:(... XD
Anyways, what's you're favorite scripting language? I'm HTML forever, dude. |
.... No comment on HTML, caddug ....
I'm all for Python, no question about it. |
I love PHP coding, Im working on a cool php script for my site.
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I think its about time to make a new Webmasters Lounge it takes forever to post and just to open this thread for me
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HTML is not a scripting language. >_>
I'm in favour of PHP for server-side scripting, even if it is relatively insecure; one just needs to be careful when programming in it, same as for any other web-based application. Ruby on Rails is very nice and becoming more popular, too. Javascript is really the only option for client-side scripting these days. As for starting a new thread, I did suggest it a few pages ago. 200+ pages is too big for me, too. If others agree I'll lock this one and start up a new one. |
Damn, I was reading a page about programming, I meant type of code. XD Sorry. ^^;
Oh, I also agree on a new thread, but can I start it please?! I don't really care if I can't, but it'd be nice. I guess lots of people want to as well... |
Whats the most secure scripting language?
Yea just to post this took 10 minutes!! |
In my opinion, the most secure languages in order:
Python Ruby on Rails Perl PHP |
We don't need a new thread. This is history.
And if anyone makes it, it should be one of the older webmasters that actually understands the original significance of this thread. Security is up to the coder. They all can be coded with bugs, or like an ironclad ship. It doesn't matter. |
lol, I'm the one that suggested the split, and then I'm the one that advocated the merge. It's all one big circle, isn't it?
And if a new thread gets started... the one good thing left in this sad forum that remains from the good ole days will be gone. That'd be damn sad, wouldn't it? Especially if one of our new n00bs started the new thread. And the warning about insulting WPM's layout? That was BS, and just shows how this place has gone to the dogs. In other news, my four year mark is coming up. You may now all begin to fight over who gets to make my thread. |
It really doesnt matter if we close a thread just keeped it pinned so everyone can still go in it, we can still start a new one, even if you dont like, its not our problem.
Yea and you really cant call me a nOOb, if you were i dont know, but ive been here for about 2 years now and i dont think it would be nice calling me a noob. |
Wasn't talking about you Tyler, wasn't talking about you. :)...
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Just a suggestion / opinion, not a bashing. ;) You don't have to listen to me, obviously. |
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But for the record, WPM, there's a four year history here that you can't understand. And so your input will not be well received with you having no background about how this place works. We are a hard group to please. |
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Look, Koroku... 1) Get Some Manners, calling a site "fugly" is just mean, he spent ages on it. You could have put it another way. It was breaking the rules, just because you're "older" on PC, doesn't mean you can evade getting warnings. 2) Learn you're Internet terms... N00b: One who doesn't know/refuses to follow the rules, resulting in being unpopular. Newb or Newbie: A new person who hasn't really done anything wrong. So please, just drop it. Some people here, and on any forum, really annoy me. You're just as bad as Serebii... well... no one is as egotistical as Serebii... 3) READ THE DAMN POST. I said if I could, fine, but if someone didn't want me to, I don't care. By someone I mean someone who can actually be civil. Anyway, if you'd read that, none of this wouldn't have happened. Don't you DARE blame it on us. And yes, I know I'm the "n00b" as you so crudely called it, and I don't appreciate it. You're the n00b in my eyes. Phrase, Jedi_Amara, and HM are waaayyy better than you IMHO. Don't be so imposing. |
Technically, I'm extremely egotistical. People just don't realize how much :]
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Ah, but not as much so as Serebii, plus you own an awesome site, so you have the right to.
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Koroku, you're the main reason as to why I was banned for the first time in PC, and I will never forget anything like that. You tend to act like the professional webmaster, but yet your vision doesn't realize that the only n00b here bringing this place to the dogs is you and your negativism. Webmasters Lounge doesn't need a cocky webmaster with an ego such as yours to be roaming about and randomly insulting peoples works, when your works have yet to even make progress, or succeed in any projects that you've run. And I really am one to know what's CC, and what's not it...
I end my part in this argument, and I will not have anything to do with it anymore. <? echo "New topic"; ?> ----------------------------------------------- A new topic wouldn't be too bad, as the loading of this topic is really the fault of the server, since I've been to forums where pages are higher than 208, and the server loading is excellent. |
OK, well i'm on my computer and it loads really fast so i guess that's what it is.
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MMC's Daily Spam is 8x as big as this thread, and it loads in a snap.
No need for another thread. It's the server. |
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Faltzer, your banner has 'their' instead of 'there'.
And speaking of who's fault for bannings, it was your fault I got banned Faltzer >O [bad joke] |
I am tempted to start a new forum...
"PokéCommunity Webmasters" Ok, I've got it all registered, I'm just doing it on invisionfree. If people like it, it'll stay. =) I haven't been banned! *claps* |
Not really, PJN.
My banner seems alright, but I think I misspelled something... |
Their is spelled right, as it belongs to someone. I always remember it tHEIR, they are going to have it eventually.
Sorting out the skin, I'll get a link up in at least 30 minuets into my sig. |
Awww. I missed the drama. :(!
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Thanks for totally ignoring me XD.
I think Phrase is trying to trick us. -_- |
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I saw it, but I still wanted to reply anyway. |
dude, no forum advertising. -JA Presenting, hopefully, the next generation of PC webmasters...
PCWebmasters! (Rubbish name XD) I'm in love with the skin. Anyway, this might conquer the current lag in the forums. |
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And Caddug, no one will join. |
Caddug? That's forum advertising. No matter what kind of forum, you're still promoting one, which isn't allowed here. You've been here long enough to know the rules, so consider this an unofficial warning.
I'd appreciate it if we didn't have flame wars, thanks. In particular, Greg, you should know better, really. I know you're not staff anymore, and I know how many times PC's screwed you over (remember, it happened to me too), but that doesn't change that you're one of the webmasters who's been around longest and should set a good example for the n00bs. |
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Well, technically, I'm an older member than you. Unless your ID code was 4 or 5 or maybe 6 on the original PC. Because I had either 7 or possibly 6, and I recall only one person older than me at that time who wasn't a site admin/mod. And I'm also a professional webmaster. Granted I was gone a few years, but I'm still older. No, seriously, your argument is stupid. Sorry to mention this closed subject everything, I just couldn't help but brag about my being the oldest member :laugh: P.S. anyone seen my newest topic? :cheeky: Hihi, sorry can't help it. I'm so childish :D |
Fine then, if you don't want it. Thanks for a thank you anyway...
Jedi, sorry, I thought seeing as it is completely related to PC... |
Gecko? Cut it. Caddug, it's OK, just remember for next time. A forum is a forum, no matter what the topic.
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Yay! PC is fast again! First time in like a year. :D
Anyone have last minute opinions / comments / feedback / suggestions for this updated layout?: http://www.pokebeach.com/immerse |
Hmm. Most of it's fine. I don't like the background on the banner/the bit just under it, it makes the text too hard to read. I guess it's OK on the banner, though it seems too "realistic" to fit with the style of the rest, but not on that line of text underneath. Also, a bit of extra padding above and below said text would be nice.
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Cartoonish picture on real-life background is like the signature look for PokeBeach.
A-DUH ;D [MN joke, sorry] |
This is noobish on my part but I'm doing it the fast way.
If someone can, copy/paste the ?id= php include script. I'm brain dead atm. |
http://www.pokecommunity.com/showthread.php?t=29287
I hope you're not thinking of keeping this (http://www.pokebeach.com/immerse/beachy2.jpg) as your banner background, because I'm not liking it too much. Good job on using Immerse. First user I find in PC that uses it except me. |
Yeah, it took a loooong time to adapt it to my site. I think I posted more threads on their forums asking for help than they had threads in total before I got there. :)
Why does no one like the background? I love it so much! I took it myself. What's so bad about it? :D I appreciate your guys' comments, too! |
It just looks so real life... XD.... I don't like the gray scale, that's all.
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I like the real world and cartoon together, it's unique.
Anyways...is it just me or does TP switch layouts like every day now? |
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