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WonderGirl December 13th, 2009 7:06 AM

Improvements in the anime?
 
I think that if Pokémon just had a bit more of a story in it and maybe a tiny bit of blood (a bit like naruto) it wouldnt be considered babyish. because the video games are so cool but if you talk to a paerson that doesnt know anything about them they think that you're childish and its frustrating.

Haza December 13th, 2009 7:19 AM

If there we an alternate series like Naruto Shippudden when all of the characters are older it would open doors for an extremely attractive seires. There could be blood and more mature themes and it would grow a little as the fans are instead of constantly reliving the same scenario region by region. Also, just imagine how cool Ash would be as a 16-18 yr old, or even his female companions. But til then with the current franchise it would help if he traveled with more trainers. I liked it a lot better when it was four instead of three in Hoenn.

WonderGirl December 13th, 2009 7:40 AM

yeah instead of staying a 10 year old kid for...ten years xD
they could also make a constant story like in naruto, instead of making new episodes that dont (always) fit with the last one so you can see them in any order. and everytime you can practically guess whats gonna happen. theres an event, team rocket ambushes, ash saves the day and the episode is over, whereas in naruto you just cannot guess what kishimoto (the creator) is going to do next. they could keep this kid version of pokemon, but adding another better one would make a hit.

processr December 13th, 2009 7:53 AM

You don't mess with a formula that's worked for twelve and a half years. An alternative series would be unable to avoid ties to the original anime, so it will doubtlessly attract the same viewers. With the level of blood and violence people seem to want in the anime, there'd be hundreds of complaints. And before anyone counters that the companies should broadcast the series later, they aren't going to sacrifice primetime slots for a spin-off from an anime series aimed at preteens to young teens.

theonexd December 13th, 2009 8:26 AM

yea thats true too. but at least if people knew how great the video games are.

Haza December 13th, 2009 8:52 AM

It would be no different then how the spin off games are to the originals.

Spinor December 13th, 2009 9:10 AM

A spin-off anime for older viewers?



Worked for the games. Why not our tubes? You see Pikachu get its ass kicked epically in this game and apparently our children are not complaining

Spoiler:
Because there's a new awesome thing called ratings and overprotective parents + vChip.


Thinking of the idea that a spin-off anime for older teens would not work is ridiculous.

Haza December 13th, 2009 9:22 AM

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Originally Posted by AdvancedK47 (Post 5392060)
A spin-off anime for older viewers?



Worked for the games. Why not our tubes? You see Pikachu get its ass kicked epically in this game and apparently our children are not complaining

Spoiler:
Because there's a new awesome thing called ratings and overprotective parents + vChip.


Thinking of the idea that a spin-off anime for older teens would not work is ridiculous.

Exactly. There is nothing wrong with having a franchise adjust to other audiences. Other franchises do just the same like Marvel with that annoying show Super Hero League. The other away around is just the same.

randomspot555 December 13th, 2009 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by rN Haza (Post 5392074)
Exactly. There is nothing wrong with having a franchise adjust to other audiences. Other franchises do just the same like Marvel with that annoying show Super Hero League. The other away around is just the same.

Uhuh.

Pokemon isn't Super Smash Bros or Naruot.

It's Pokemon. After 10+ years, the anime and the games have barely changed at all. They still have good ratings and great sales. Why change what isn't broken?

Haza December 13th, 2009 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by randomspot555 (Post 5392581)
Uhuh.

Pokemon isn't Super Smash Bros or Naruot.

It's Pokemon. After 10+ years, the anime and the games have barely changed at all. They still have good ratings and great sales. Why change what isn't broken?

We are not saying completely erase the show you have come to know and love. I said their should be a spin off.

Vernikova December 13th, 2009 12:09 PM

No, there shouldn't be a spin-off of any kind. Pokémon is a series aimed at 6-12 year old kids and any spin-off would certainly be aimed at the same audiance since they're just to advertise the games anyway. Think Pokémon Mystery Dungeon like. I can't believe anyone would actually consider one of these.

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Originally Posted by AdvancedK47
Worked for the games. Why not our tubes?

Um, what? Can you actually be relevant? Pokémon isn't Super Smash Brothers Brawl and the only thing it took from Pokémon are a few characters.

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Thinking of the idea that a spin-off anime for older teens would not work is ridiculous.
Thinking that one would be considered is even more ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by rN Haza
It would be no different then how the spin off games are to the originals.

Except, the spin-off games are aimed at children too.

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Originally Posted by theonexd
yea thats true too. but at least if people knew how great the video games are.

That wouldn't change anything.

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Originally Posted by wonder_girl
they could also make a constant story like in naruto,

Naruto doesn't advertise a popular game series and is shonen. They don'y need to be restricted by what their original purpose is.

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instead of making new episodes that dont (always) fit with the last one so you can see them in any order. and everytime you can practically guess whats gonna happen. theres an event, team rocket ambushes, ash saves the day and the episode is over,
Blame the games.

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whereas in naruto you just cannot guess what kishimoto (the creator) is going to do next. they could keep this kid version of pokemon, but adding another better one would make a hit.
You can't predict what's going to happen in Naruto because it's not based on anything other than a manga which is based on nothing.

Seriously, put your thinking hats on people. Pokémon is kodomo and nothing is going to change that because it's still successful.

Poco Loco December 13th, 2009 12:17 PM

honestly @ this point...they should just stop, things got rlly old rlly fast, after season 2 it went downhill

I agree with an alternate series where they are older and not so childish, and the weakest attacks don't look severely over-powered, lets not forget putting those team rocket morons on EVERY SINGLE FREAKIN' EPISODE!!!! ugh

idk yo I stopped watching it years ago, when I saw an episode with my nephew, ugh I swear most of us here can make better looking Pokemon instead of resulting 2 most of the 3rd n 4th generation looking like they r on PCP lmao

yossarian December 13th, 2009 3:42 PM

Why are people so obsessed with seeing blood and violence?

SBaby December 13th, 2009 5:25 PM

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Originally Posted by yossarian (Post 5393171)
Why are people so obsessed with seeing blood and violence?

I have no idea. I've seen cartoons with epic storylines that had no blood in them at all. Bucky O'Hare, SatAM, and The Dreamstone are three that come to mind. Especially SatAM and The Dreamstone, which are surprisingly dark for their targeted age group.

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Originally Posted by wonder_girl (Post 5391850)
I think that if Pokémon just had a bit more of a story in it and maybe a tiny bit of blood (a bit like naruto) it wouldnt be considered babyish. because the video games are so cool but if you talk to a paerson that doesnt know anything about them they think that you're childish and its frustrating.

First of all, I wouldn't call making Pokemon more like Naruto an improvement. We're trying to upgrade the series, not downgrade it.

You want to improve Pokemon? Use cartoons like SatAM, Bucky O'Hare and The Dreamstone as examples. They are dark, they have deep plots, and there is almost no blood or gore in any of them. I think The Dreamstone might have an episode where he goes into a crypt that has skeletons lying around inside of it, but that's about as violent as the show gets.

>Feelings< December 14th, 2009 9:24 PM

So blood is a necessity to make things cool now? Wow people...

*Charizard* December 14th, 2009 9:43 PM

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Originally Posted by rN Haza (Post 5391875)
If there we an alternate series like Naruto Shippudden when all of the characters are older it would open doors for an extremely attractive seires. There could be blood and more mature themes and it would grow a little as the fans are instead of constantly reliving the same scenario region by region. Also, just imagine how cool Ash would be as a 16-18 yr old, or even his female companions. But til then with the current franchise it would help if he traveled with more trainers. I liked it a lot better when it was four instead of three in Hoenn.

If the characters did actually age throughout the cartoon as stated above I think it would be great. It would change the way Pokemon is portrayed (Childish) But then again it would never never happen.

Jolene December 15th, 2009 6:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Apophenia (Post 5391916)
You don't mess with a formula that's worked for twelve and a half years. An alternative series would be unable to avoid ties to the original anime, so it will doubtlessly attract the same viewers. With the level of blood and violence people seem to want in the anime, there'd be hundreds of complaints. And before anyone counters that the companies should broadcast the series later, they aren't going to sacrifice primetime slots for a spin-off from an anime series aimed at preteens to young teens.

In the UK, there is a TV series called Doctor Who which is a prime-time family drama and is mainly watched by children. But there's also a spin-off series called Torchwood which airs post-watershed at at a different time of year, and it's aimed at more adult audiences. They both have their own audiences and they're both really successful.

So stuff like this can work. I personally wouldn't want it to happen to Pokemon though. The world doesn't need another generic shonen anime.

Haza December 15th, 2009 7:13 AM

All Im saying is, Nintendo/Gamefreak and the animation studio are not oblivious to the fact that a large part of their original fans are a lot older now and are still fans and it would be extremely considerate of them to compensate us with better anime aimed at us.

Jolene December 15th, 2009 7:15 AM

It's not really Nintendo's decision. It depends on whether an animation studio wants to buy the rights to this kind of project, and nobody does, obviously.

Vernikova December 15th, 2009 1:59 PM

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Originally Posted by rN Haza
All Im saying is, Nintendo/Gamefreak and the animation studio are not oblivious to the fact that a large part of their original fans are a lot older now and are still fans and it would be extremely considerate of them to compensate us with better anime aimed at us.

Nintendo, OLM, etc expect that anyone over the target demographic that still play the games or watch the show to actually enjoy it since they're still playing or watching. Essentially if you're still involved and are over the age, you don't have much right to complain.

Pokeyomom December 15th, 2009 3:06 PM

Agreed. The themes get kind of redundant, and the producers need to "spice" things up. Giving James b00bs was a start. Now we're ready for the big leagues.

Wolfwhispers December 15th, 2009 3:38 PM

While it would be interesting to see a more mature spin off of pokemon, it'll never happen. They have made spin off's before. With that one guy who is supposed to be Gold. I could never remember his name in the show, but they had some episodes based off other characters, so that's as much as a spin off as you're gonna get.

If you really want to look for a more mature form of pokemon (blood, violence, cursing, bizarre storyline), stick with fanfiction. I seriously recommend Pokemon Master by Ace Sanchez.

Sarru December 15th, 2009 11:24 PM

I don't need blood (That would be weird)
Or even older characters (Though it would be nice)
Just give me an ACTUAL FREAKING PLOT.
In between gyms....give Ash and the gang something other to do then get into shennanigans with Team Rocket (Though I love TR dearly)
I don't want to see the same thing over and over and over and over again :/ (I'm sure even younger kids agree on that)
Though I have to admit that the way they battle is getting interesting..since well...they are starting to give pokemon other options then just blasting crap at each other :P
Like all the new spinning moves. Another thing...don't have them settle EVERYTHING with Pokemon...if someone insults me I'm not gonna say "Ya well I can beat you in a pokemon battle! D<"
Heck no...Imma deck the guy >( (Though there doesn't have to be blood....I'd just like for some of the encounters to be more...realistic?)

Ilitsa December 16th, 2009 2:08 AM

I remember reading on a wiki about Pokemon red/blue this:

Spoiler:
The concept of the Pokémon saga stems from the hobby of , a popular pastime which game designer Satoshi Tajiri enjoyed as a child.[26] While growing up, however, he observed more urbanization taking place in the town where he lived and as a result, the insect population declined. Tajiri noticed that kids now played in their homes instead of outside and he came up with the idea of a video game, containing creatures that resembled insects, called Pokémon. He thought kids could relate with the Pokémon by individually naming them, and then controlling them to represent fear or anger as a good way of relieving stress. However, Pokémon never bleed or die in battle, only faint – this was a very touchy subject to Tajiri, as he did not want to further fill the gaming world with "pointless violence."


I'm not sure if its all the same people making the anime/games/etc from back then, but considering this, I doubt pokemon would ever have blood... Which is a good thing in my eyes.

Edit: I'm not even sure of how much of said statement is true, really, but yeah, a more "mature" themed series would be cool, though I'd like to see it done without blood. I don't think blood is needed for something to be "mature" Just the general themes of the show, could dabble more into love, etc, maybe give Ash a love interest and see how that developed.

Giratina ♀ December 16th, 2009 2:49 PM

I'm very sorry guys, and I do believe a spin-off of Pokémon with a well-developed plot - I don't care, the protagonists can be Brawly and Mr. Contesta, just as long as it has plot - would be a glorious thing, but the fact of the matter is that it won't happen. Kids won't look at the ratings for shows, and parents rarely-if-ever doubt the childishness of a series such as Pokémon. They've taken a postive step with the handling of Sinnoh and its inhabitants, but if you want Pokémon media with Doduos spurting blood all over the place, there's actually this really cool off-shoot of the main series. It's called fanfiction.


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