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interdpth December 30th, 2009 10:10 AM

Can we get a new variety of hacks, please?
 
I see tons of Johto remakes.
Tons of just simple recolors.
Tons of "I MAKE THIS" then it dies and and is never heard from again.
I see tons and tons of well, poo. Of course we get several diamonds in the rough that are just amazing.

But come on people, get original, like that Mechamon hack, and Azure Horizons, my hack, and the other great ones.

WORK ON SOMETHING GREAT, YO.

MAKE YOURSELF PROUD.

STOP PRODUCING POO. :)

Chibi Robo December 30th, 2009 1:19 PM

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Originally Posted by interdpth (Post 5434389)
STOP PRODUCING POO. :)

I have been doing exactly that for a week now, should I call a doctor?

No but really hacks these days are like you've said "are poo"
People need to put lots of time and effort into their hacks and settle for nothing less. Learn how to script or map or even how to sprite. I promise you if you practice long enough and hard enough you will become much better then you were before. (b'')b

NarutoActor December 30th, 2009 1:53 PM

I see tons of Johto remakes.- yes an it's over used. Even Some of the great hackers(and your friend) Make Johto hacks.
Tons of just simple recolors.- I don't even waist my time with those hacks.
Tons of "I MAKE THIS" then it dies and and is never heard from again.-that's usaly the scarpbox that's why I never go there anymore, it's depressing.
I see tons and tons of well, poo. Of course we get several diamonds in the rough that are just amazing.- I argue the ability to get into the progressive hack section is way to easy. My hack Got in the progressive hack section with only a weeks worth of work.

But come on people, get original, like that Mechamon hack, and Azure Horizons, my hack, and the other great ones. ( why, aren't you a little prideful XD)

WORK ON SOMETHING GREAT, YO.

MAKE YOURSELF PROUD.

STOP PRODUCING POO. :)- I will take that into consideration, I guess. :P (but why so silly if you really want people to change you should act more serious or they will think it was a joke.

interdpth December 30th, 2009 2:11 PM

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Originally Posted by colcolstyles (Post 5435180)
Oh yeah man, totally! Let's all complain about everyone else and refuse the fix the problem ourselves!

Look, I understand that you are a very capable hacker, better than the vast majority of members here at PC. However, that doesn't give you the right to prance around and rip on everyone else's work. True, a lot of people think that they can make an amazing hack in a day. Those types of people will always come to this forum and leave within a week. So why even bother to criticize them? If you want to influence them, then you should go out and create a truly revolutionary hack. As a competent hacker, the power to change the state of hacking lies in your hands, not the n00bs'.

I'm criticizing on things that NEED to be criticized upon. Nothing lies in my hands that could change the way of the hacking state, short of me making a small hack and that getting spread into x number of poo hacks, even I wasn't agreed with, then this thread wouldn't have been approved.

No?

ZodiacDaGreat December 30th, 2009 2:15 PM

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I see tons of Johto remakes.- yes an it's over used. Even Some of the great hackers(and your friend) Make Johto hacks.
I see what you mean there :P I guess it's quality and not quantity ^^

colcolstyles December 30th, 2009 2:19 PM

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Originally Posted by interdpth (Post 5435215)
I'm criticizing on things that NEED to be criticized upon. Nothing lies in my hands that could change the way of the hacking state, short of me making a small hack and that getting spread into x number of poo hacks, even I wasn't agreed with, then this thread wouldn't have been approved.

No?

I agree that the hacking scene needs to change. I just don't see how complaining about how bad things are helps to mitigate the problem. Do you honestly believe that one of the members you are describing is going to 1) even notice this; and 2) actually make any changes to their hacking (though I'm sure you wouldn't even call it "hacking")? There has and always will be low quality hacks, just like there will always be low quality movies, video games, books, you name it. You'd best accept it and move on.

interdpth December 30th, 2009 2:30 PM

No, they won't in all 6 years i've been doing this they haven't. But the mods can wipe them off the board until they do.

HINT HINT.

interdpth December 30th, 2009 2:40 PM

That would be very sexy to start off with.

NarutoActor December 30th, 2009 2:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Anthony La (Post 5435294)
If waving goodbye to the crapbox does it then there's half your solution.

I agree with interdpth that the majority of hacks from the scrapbox don't go far, and I agree I would be happier with out it.

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Originally Posted by colcolstyles (Post 5435240)
I agree that the hacking scene needs to change. I just don't see how complaining about how bad things are helps to mitigate the problem. Do you honestly believe that one of the members you are describing is going to 1) even notice this; and 2) actually make any changes to their hacking (though I'm sure you wouldn't even call it "hacking")? There has and always will be low quality hacks, just like there will always be low quality movies, video games, books, you name it. You'd best accept it and move on.

interdpth he is 100% right. In everything there will be low, and high quaility. All we can do is change the standereds. Higher standers higher quality hacks. (hint hint :P stronger polices on the progressive hacks section)

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Originally Posted by ZodiacDaGreat (Post 5435226)
I see what you mean there :P I guess it's quality and not quantity ^^

Yup, and I was referring to you lol.

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Originally Posted by interdpth (Post 5435317)
That would be very sexy to start off with.

Like I said if you joke around with all this all it will be is a failed attempt. If you want something done takes things more seriously.

Toxicroak December 30th, 2009 3:17 PM

I have a great idea for a hack, but im having a lot of trouble with the HEX codes etc...

i wanted the hole region to be like the great marsh, and it would have had bridges running over the mud...


the starters are croagunk, stunky and skorupi.

interdpth December 30th, 2009 3:19 PM

I have no clue how you think I was joking, I use "sexy" instead of "great" everywhere I go.

558122_DG December 30th, 2009 4:20 PM

kk, but as you said before there are diamonds out there... and it is up to those gamers out there to find those diamonds just as it is to us hackers who produce those diamonds...as you know diamonds take millions of years to be produced :)

but personally i think my hack will become a diamond one day :) well I hope it will :) Alot of hack ideas have the potential to succeed but they all fail cause of the lack in skill the hackers possess. We must help those who are less experienced then ourselves, nnot just ignore they're repeated PMs begging for help or just say "I don't have time", when half the time ur just sitting there...

well you do carry a point in saying alot of hacks these days are crap, but thats olny cause we get lazy and make'em crap. If everyhacker went out there and took the time to learn and practise instead of saying I NEED HELP!!!, then hacks and hackers will be diamonds :)

イーブイ December 30th, 2009 7:11 PM

Sturgeon's Law: 90% of everything is crap.

You can't stop the untalented from creating crap. The best you can do is try to teach them (gently) why their creations are crap, or create non-crap yourself. Both are difficult tasks.

Rabbit December 30th, 2009 7:39 PM

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Originally Posted by interdpth (Post 5435282)
No, they won't in all 6 years i've been doing this they haven't. But the mods can wipe them off the board until they do.

HINT HINT.

*** yes. The Scrapbox desperately needs moderation. It would only take some ground rules. No more "I MAKE THIS" (as you so eloquently put it) unless you have skills, team members, and a working plan. The Scrapbox is filled with rubbish. So many noobs pull a storyline out of their orifices and make a thread about it, and half a dozen people show up and call it a great hack. IT'S NOT A HACK. IT'S AN IDEA FOR A HACK. AN IDEA THAT WILL NEVER GET ANYWHERE BECAUSE YOU HAVE NO HACKING SKILLS. RANT RANT RANT RANT

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What I want to see in a hack is a complete deviation from the standard Pokemon game. I don't understand why people would choose to labour so hard, for such a long time, and produce something that's a variation of Ruby, or Fire Red, or Silver. The maps are different, the evil team has a different name and goal, maybe the Pokemon are changed, but it's still the exact same formula. You run through the region, levelling your Pokes, battling gym leaders, rivals, and evil dudes, and best the Elite Four. There's a lot of mindless clicking involved. Only self-imposed restrictions can make it challenging.

But maybe that's just me. After all, Diamond and Pearl use that formula, and they seem pretty popular. :|

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Originally Posted by Toxicroak (Post 5435430)
I have a great idea for a hack, but im having a lot of trouble with the HEX codes etc...

i wanted the hole region to be like the great marsh, and it would have had bridges running over the mud...


the starters are croagunk, stunky and skorupi.

So...you want to change the maps and starters. And you can't script. What makes your idea brilliant?

Zeffy December 30th, 2009 8:03 PM

Mostly of the hackers that posts in the scrapbox are untalented at hacking. They just post an say "I mehk dis, if u stil my aydiya i will repurt u." The scrapbox needs stricter moderation, or it should be removed.

chrunch December 30th, 2009 8:24 PM

Yeah, A lot of hacks in the scrapbox are crap...
But you can't stop the noobs...
The scrapbox needs better moderation, say each hack in there needs atleast one screenie...

Toxicroak December 30th, 2009 9:56 PM

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So...you want to change the maps and starters. And you can't script. What makes your idea brilliant?
My idea is briliant because the scenery of the great marsh is awsome :)

anyways i game up on that and im making a new rom hack as we speak.

im devamping every pokemon :)

im about 5% done

Tropical Sunlight December 31st, 2009 1:39 AM

No. Simply no. What makes you post this? I started in the Scrapbox. I tried, 2 times. Wouldn't work. I tried the third time. Now I did it. I made it to the Progressing Hacks (Actually before there was no Progressing Hacks, just the Scrapbox and the Hacks Showcase.). I agree with you that there are just some idiotic people. But not all of them. Say, how many of you already finished your hack? Did you ever release an alpha, or a beta? You can't just do that. What I'm trying to say is, people need to start somewhere. If there's no Scrapbox, even higher standards, you'll decrease the popoularity of the ROM Hacking section.

Please. You're making it harder for everybody.

Banjora Marxvile December 31st, 2009 4:41 AM

The idea of getting rid of the scrapbox is... Absurd, to say the least. yes, there are a load of crap hacks, and bad hackers, but some really do shine. All these hackers need is patience, motivation, and support, not endless amount of complaints. This demotivates, and really doesn't help anything. if we gave constructive criticism more often, and stopped people give false hope to hacks that need vast improvement, then less of these worse hacks will arrive.

Actually, here's an idea to get rid of bad hacking - ban hacking. True you get no hacks at all, but no news is good news. THAT is basically what you are doing with the Scrapbox being... Scrapped. It is a place for beginnings, and those improvements you learn there pay off in the long run most of the time. Don't like the bad hacks that are there, don't go there, focus on the other areas.

interdpth December 31st, 2009 9:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Toxicroak (Post 5436505)
My idea is briliant because the scenery of the great marsh is awsome :)

anyways i game up on that and im making a new rom hack as we speak.

im devamping every pokemon :)

im about 5% done

This post stands for everything my first post said.

NarutoActor December 31st, 2009 9:11 AM

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Originally Posted by psychicboy (Post 5436321)
Wow.. I guess I shall give you guys a simple response..


http://www.pokecommunity.com/showthread.php?t=196223
^This.

You know guys, if you want to see a nice variety of unique hacks, you gotta do it yourself.

although I agree that if you want a variety you have to START with yourself, but there will still be people making crapy hacks, that's why you need to have a higher standard.

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Originally Posted by Toxicroak (Post 5436505)
My idea is briliant because the scenery of the great marsh is awsome :)

anyways i game up on that and im making a new rom hack as we speak.

im devamping every pokemon :)

im about 5% done

The idea is not that briliant, your not going to win an acedemy award. :P(JK) I wish you the best of luck, but please stop advertising your hack your just spamming, and making your self sound stupid (sorry for being blunt)

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Originally Posted by H2O Turquoise (Post 5436814)
No. Simply no. What makes you post this? I started in the Scrapbox. I tried, 2 times. Wouldn't work. I tried the third time. Now I did it. I made it to the Progressing Hacks (Actually before there was no Progressing Hacks, just the Scrapbox and the Hacks Showcase.). I agree with you that there are just some idiotic people. But not all of them. Say, how many of you already finished your hack? Did you ever release an alpha, or a beta? You can't just do that. What I'm trying to say is, people need to start somewhere. If there's no Scrapbox, even higher standards, you'll decrease the popoularity of the ROM Hacking section.

Please. You're making it harder for everybody.

no, you would not decrease the popoularity. There is something about rom hacking that draws people even if they can't make there own hack they can still play hacks. What will happen is the population of hacks whould decrease. All the bad hacks that would be taking up space would disappear and there would be more space for the good hacks.(That's why there are more hacks then ever. It's now easier to make a hack. It used to be harder and if someone really wanted to make a hack and they where serious, then they would have to do there homework. )

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Originally Posted by Deviation (Post 5437016)
The idea of getting rid of the scrapbox is... Absurd, to say the least. yes, there are a load of crap hacks, and bad hackers, but some really do shine. All these hackers need is patience, motivation, and support, not endless amount of complaints. This demotivates, and really doesn't help anything. if we gave constructive criticism more often, and stopped people give false hope to hacks that need vast improvement, then less of these worse hacks will arrive.

Actually, here's an idea to get rid of bad hacking - ban hacking. True you get no hacks at all, but no news is good news. THAT is basically what you are doing with the Scrapbox being... Scrapped. It is a place for beginnings, and those improvements you learn there pay off in the long run most of the time. Don't like the bad hacks that are there, don't go there, focus on the other areas.

The progressive hacks is a great place to start. you only need 4 screen shots and I was able to get in quite easily. Sure it takes some work to get 4 screen shots but it shows work and gives them a goal. It also shows that they are serious about rom hacking. It is to easy to get into a scrapbox no work is needed. Any body who is bored can just start a hack and then cancel it in a weeks. Also why do people need a forum to start off? If you don't have any screen shots then there's nothing to criticized.(hence defeats the purpose to even post a starting hack) Get some work done on your computer before posting your hack.

Banjora Marxvile December 31st, 2009 9:29 AM

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Originally Posted by NarutoActor (Post 5437619)
The progressive hacks is a great place to start. you only need 4 screen shots and I was able to get in quite easily. Sure it takes some work to get 4 screen shots but it shows work and gives them a goal. It also shows that they are serious about rom hacking. It is to easy to get into a scrapbox no work is needed. Any body who is bored can just start a hack and then cancel it in a weeks. Also why do people need a forum to start off? If you don't have any screen shots then there's nothing to criticized.(hence defeats the purpose to even post a starting hack) Get some work done on your computer before posting your hack.

You fail to see the point of the Scrapbox. Some people create IDEAS, right? And post them. THEY are to be rated. Some hack creators post their IDEAS before screenshots, to see how they could change it. SOME hackers want a pretty solid idea on their story, and then see if it is liked, then tweak it BEFORE working on anything, as your idea leads to your scripts, and your story leads to your hack.

NarutoActor December 31st, 2009 9:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Deviation (Post 5437661)


You fail to see the point of the Scrapbox. Some people create IDEAS, right? And post them. THEY are to be rated. Some hack creators post their IDEAS before screenshots, to see how they could change it. SOME hackers want a pretty solid idea on their story, and then see if it is liked, then tweak it BEFORE working on anything, as your idea leads to your scripts, and your story leads to your hack.

what ever happened to hacking for just hacking. Do you seriously think you can just jump into the rom hacking scene and decide to make a hack? If your Idea is not good then just start over on a new clean rom. Your new knowledge on rom hacking will help you make your Idea into a reality. It's like wrighting an essay, you need to pre wright first. So your mom/peer/teacher can tell you if A) continue your idea and wright the essay or B) create a new idea.

interdpth December 31st, 2009 9:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Deviation (Post 5437661)


You fail to see the point of the Scrapbox. Some people create IDEAS, right? And post them. THEY are to be rated. Some hack creators post their IDEAS before screenshots, to see how they could change it. SOME hackers want a pretty solid idea on their story, and then see if it is liked, then tweak it BEFORE working on anything, as your idea leads to your scripts, and your story leads to your hack.

So shouldn't there just a be a THREAD for that instead of a whole subforum?

Makes more sense.

Banjora Marxvile December 31st, 2009 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by interdpth (Post 5437678)
So shouldn't there just a be a THREAD for that instead of a whole subforum?

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Originally Posted by interdpth (Post 5437678)

Makes more sense.

If there was a big thread, it would be harder to be specific with which hack we mean, it will get really hard to search in after a while, and would require re-posting to get our new ideas across. As well as searching for any criticism is WAY harder for that. And all the subforums are there for a reason. The scrapbox is made for criticism in early stages and ideas, as we cannot follow what we think is right without other people helping and guiding. That is where many leaders go wrong (Not just hack leaders...) Our ideas need improving before scripting begins, as if there is a flaw early on, and you've scripted it, you need to redo it. Better to finalise with a thread before starting, to make sure things are perfect for later on.

Threads for each specific hack in a scrapbox part is easier to me, as it is easier to search, easier to post updates, and criticism. Also, the threads allow it to be easily moved when required. Posting ideas in threads helps hackers, EVERY hack starts somewhere, and begins with many problems, mostly a newby owner. You used to be a newb, you overcame it. Stop complaining about something that will never ever change, as it is the law of nature. People start new, produce ideas, then they work on them, and improve them, and become better, slowly, but surely. All they need is time, motivation, and encouragement, similar to what you had when you started at a guess, and similar as the rest of you. I will probably not even change your opinions, but at least understand that even the newbiest of hackers can become something great if motivated, given time, and forced to improve.


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