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Kishijoten January 2nd, 2010 1:17 PM

Do you believe in magic?.
 
When you were little did you ever believed that magic exsist?.
Or even now do you believe that magic has a exsistance? Do you believe it because of magicians or shows that revolves around magic?.

Yamikarasu January 2nd, 2010 1:23 PM

I believe there are probably forces that we have not discovered yet that might seem like magic when we do discover them, but will ultimately be explained by science. I also think things can be 'magical' without actually having anything to do with the supernatural.

SilverStilletto January 2nd, 2010 1:28 PM

i believe in magic. its only logical. i believe that, even if magic doest exist on earth, it must exist elsewhere in the universe. we have no way of determining the size of the universe, and so we can assume it is infinitely large. in an infinite amount of time, everything WILL happen, even that which we cannot dream of. thus, in an infinite amount of space, everything imaginable and unimaginalble is. thus, magic simply HAS to exist.

poopnoodle January 2nd, 2010 1:42 PM

I like to think there is a mystical side to things like love and nature. I don't necessarily believe in that sort of thing, but to pretend it's there makes reality somewhat bearable.

Åzurε January 2nd, 2010 2:00 PM

I wish magic existed, to a point. But sadly, I don't think the truly supernatural is any longer accessible to humankind. Not like it was a good idea back in the day anyhow.

Burn the witch!

Black Ice January 2nd, 2010 2:10 PM

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Originally Posted by SilverStilletto (Post 5444231)
i believe in magic. its only logical. i believe that, even if magic doest exist on earth, it must exist elsewhere in the universe. we have no way of determining the size of the universe, and so we can assume it is infinitely large. in an infinite amount of time, everything WILL happen, even that which we cannot dream of. thus, in an infinite amount of space, everything imaginable and unimaginalble is. thus, magic simply HAS to exist.

The universe has existed for 14 billion years or something and has been expanding ever since. The speed of light is blah blah blah. Nothing goes faster than the speed of light. That's your limit for the current size of the universe. Your "infinite possibilities" logic doesn't sound perfect anymore, does it? You're also assuming that time (or at least, in our universe) will go on forever. What happens if the universe decides to collapse? Ever heard of the Big Crunch or Big Rip theories? You're making too many assumptions.

Also that kind of logic can't work since infinity isn't a value; it's a mathematical concept. There's no such thing as infinite area or volume. Not in the physical world, at least.

As for being on topic, no I don't believe in magic. I believe that everything can be explained scientifically or logically, even though it may not appear so at first. I'm sure you could've guessed that already :p I did believe in it when I was a little kid though. Admit it, everyone did.

Haza January 2nd, 2010 2:13 PM

I dont believe in anything supernatural or godly though I wish it was real.

Ayselipera January 2nd, 2010 3:03 PM

I like to believe that there is magic out there somewhere. I guess I do kind of believe in it or atleast try to.

Anxiety. January 2nd, 2010 3:33 PM

Hm. Well, its a possiblity. But unless it can be proved with facts, then I can't belive it.

BHwolfgang January 2nd, 2010 3:37 PM

No, my thought of magic being real was shattered when I saw a guy in a fake mustache pull a rabbit out of his top-hat.

Hiidoran January 2nd, 2010 4:16 PM

Magic, in a historical context at least, seems to be anything that happens that we're yet unable to understand. People are able to somehow do something "magical" or something exists that is "magic" only because we do not yet have the means to explain them logically. For instance, people used to think the ability to swim was magic in some parts of the world - that it was even the work of evil to overcome such a powerful force of nature with your own body.

So yeah, I believe in magic in that sense. In every definition of the word, things that we don't understand do seem to have "magical" qualities about them, right?

Besides, that rabbit-pulling, mustached man seems pretty amazing to me. 8D

Corvus of the Black Night January 2nd, 2010 4:20 PM

It's called an optical illusion... o.o

Surely we can't understand everything, but just saying it's "Maaaaaaaaagiiiic" is kind of... stupid...

Legobricks January 2nd, 2010 4:32 PM

* I assume that by magic you mean paganistic rituals and the like, ie not simply pulling rabbits out of a tophat.
When I was wee... I didn't take to any beliefs well, I just saw the world as is. I still do pretty much, but I would say I've come to believe in some semblance of magick.

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Originally Posted by Black Ice (Post 5444380)
The universe has existed for 14 billion years

That's a presumption based on the presumptions (or 'theories' as you'd probably style it) that nothing can go faster than light and that a big explosion began everything; the 'explosion' itself is an apparently baseless notion (merely the only way we can express it? reminds me of the abrahamic god) and as I understand the universe's expansion is based on how things appear more blue when going away and mroe red coming towards — an idea I'm not convinced of in the first place. I'm not to say the men in white coats are lying, just somewhat fond of starting fantasy trains which go a little far; and that you fail to cite any of your own claims whilst disparaging another's.

Jordan January 2nd, 2010 4:37 PM

I don't believe in magic. Or if rituals that allowed one to defy the logic of the universe (such as creating something out of nothing at will) ever existed, it is dead.

Black Ice January 2nd, 2010 4:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Cassino (Post 5444812)
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Originally Posted by Black Ice (Post 5444380)
The universe has existed for 14 billion years

That's a presumption based on the presumptions (or 'theories' as you'd probably style it) that nothing can go faster than light and that a big explosion began everything; the 'explosion' itself is an apparently baseless notion (merely the only way we can express it? reminds me of the abrahamic god) and as I understand the universe's expansion is based on how things appear more blue when going away and mroe red coming towards — an idea I'm not convinced of in the first place. I'm not to say the men in white coats are lying, just somewhat fond of starting fantasy trains which go a little far; and that you fail to cite any of your own claims whilst disparaging another's.

That wasn't really my point though; my point was that the universe DOES have a limit on its size and that it isn't infinitely large :/ The universe could be well over 9000 (heh) trillion years, and my point would still be valid. And even if it could go faster than the speed of light. The universe surely couldn't have expanded at infinity miles per hour or something, which is the only way the universe would be infinitely large.

Real numbers multiplied by real numbers can never equal infinity. Is that enough of a true statement? Then that's my proof and every other point I've made before can just be forgotten about.


Anyways, I think we're derailing this topic. If you wanna continue debating then PM me or something. I don't want either of us to get warnings.

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Originally Posted by Hark! It's the Ferryman Charon (Post 5444836)
14 billion's pretty silly considering the earth is approaching 5 billion (based on studying the rock, not light). 13 trillion, the other estimate, makes more sense.

I would just go ahead and trust the "men in white coats", as Cassino put it. They're the experts, not anyone else. They do this for a living.

Corvus of the Black Night January 2nd, 2010 4:38 PM

14 billion's pretty silly considering the earth is approaching 5 billion (based on studying the rock, not light). 13 trillion, the other estimate, makes more sense.

Legobricks January 2nd, 2010 6:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Miniryu (Post 5444829)
I don't believe in magic. Or if rituals that allowed one to defy the logic of the universe (such as creating something out of nothing at will) ever existed, it is dead.

You merely get out of it what you put in, only wherein the effort spent on the endeavour is turned to a favourable end... or, as misfortune for others. (like the conversion of energy! :D)

Gummy January 2nd, 2010 6:21 PM

These days I try not to believe any one thing is truly non-existent. The universe is a big place, after all.

Jordan January 2nd, 2010 6:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Cassino (Post 5445125)
You merely get out of it what you put in, only wherein the effort spent on the endeavour is turned to a favourable end... or, as misfortune for others. (like the conversion of energy! :D)

I also don't believe in alchemy. XD

Eucliffe January 2nd, 2010 6:40 PM

If you consider supernatural stuff to be a form of "magic", then sure, I believe in it.

Legobricks January 2nd, 2010 7:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Miniryu (Post 5445155)

I also don't believe in alchemy. XD

... Fullmetal Alchemist? Not really what I was getting at.

Captain Hobo. January 2nd, 2010 7:25 PM

I kinda do like god can turn nothing into the world and that kind of stuff.

Esper January 2nd, 2010 7:27 PM

I tried being Wiccan for short time (don't ask) and I suppose you could say I believed in magic then. I don't believe in it anymore, but I do believe in the Doppler effect which is the first step toward showing that the universe is expanding and that it is about 14 billions years old which means that we can only see what exists within 14 billion light years of Earth and that there is no way of knowing what exists beyond that limit. I'm fairly confident magic doesn't exist there, but it's fun to let your imagination run wild sometimes.

Jordan January 2nd, 2010 7:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Cassino (Post 5445308)
... Fullmetal Alchemist? Not really what I was getting at.

I just meant alchemy in general. Turning one substance into another (random example: Silver into Gold), that sort of thing.

Gummy January 2nd, 2010 7:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Miniryu (Post 5445369)

I just meant alchemy in general. Turning one substance into another (random example: Silver into Gold), that sort of thing.

Isn't turning one substance into another technically possible through radioactivity? o_o

Nick January 2nd, 2010 8:28 PM

This thread has generated a lot of discussion for just being a thread in Other Voting Polls, since this forum is usually used for threads with simple answers. Granted these are simple answers, a lot of users show interest in actually discussing the belief of magic and its turned into more of a discussion thread than anything.

I'm going to leave the poll up so people can continue to vote on their opinion, but seeing as how discussion has come from this topic, I'm going to move it to Other Chat, where threads with such discussion are often kept. n_n

Halberdier January 2nd, 2010 8:32 PM

No, and I wish there was a more concrete option such as a clear "no" to state so.

Rolling Pichu January 2nd, 2010 11:07 PM

I don't believe in magic, I believe in illusion... like the illusion that PC is entertaining. :D

Jordan January 3rd, 2010 9:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Baromega (Post 5445492)


Isn't turning one substance into another technically possible through radioactivity? o_o

That I'm not sure about, but alchemy also involved a bit of the "Earth, Fire, Water, and Air" elements idea, which is not actual chemistry. I won't delve too much into it now since alchemy's not really magic per se, but rather philosophy and pseudoscience.

ÇyänïdëÉX January 3rd, 2010 9:11 PM

Nah its all a sleigh of hand or smoke and mirrors. Nothing like that any more. I don't remember if as a kid i bought into it much.

Rolling Pichu January 3rd, 2010 9:22 PM

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Isn't turning one substance into another technically possible through radioactivity? o_o
I don't I need radioactivity to burn paper.

Unforgettable January 3rd, 2010 10:53 PM

I guess I would say I believe in "magic" But I wouldn't really call it that. I'm just one of those people who are open minded about everything. And There is the Wiccan magic out there, stuff like that. And I do believe in it.

Idiot! January 3rd, 2010 11:32 PM

I'll believe it if I see it

kohei January 4th, 2010 2:09 AM

I'm a level 12 paladin, of course I believe in magic.

Rolling Pichu January 4th, 2010 9:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Unforgettable (Post 5449119)
I guess I would say I believe in "magic" But I wouldn't really call it that. I'm just one of those people who are open minded about everything. And There is the Wiccan magic out there, stuff like that. And I do believe in it.

Open-mindedness is one thing and naiveté is another.

Now, I'm not accusing you of anything, I'm not entitled to... I just hope people know enough about Wicca to believe in it (and what it implies) more than Wikipedia would tell anyone.

Elite Overlord LeSabre™ January 4th, 2010 3:17 PM

I'll believe in magic when I see scientific proof of its existence. Until then...

Aether January 4th, 2010 7:17 PM

I don't believe in magical spells and wizards, but I do believe in a "feeling" or "presence" of magic when in a certain state of mind.

Guillermo January 4th, 2010 7:51 PM

oh my god what's with all the friggin' titles with crappy grammar in them?

And yes, I do. Though I don't consider it magic. I believe in hypnotism and all that stuff, but not like making a rabbit appear in a hat.

Anti-Hero January 4th, 2010 8:01 PM

Yes. Err, not magic magic, but mind tricks and things. I've hypnotized myself, so yeah. I also believe in Witch Craft. I'ma Wiccan, err atleast, I want to be. :P.

Harmonie January 4th, 2010 9:04 PM

There are people aside from kids that actually believe in magic?

Andyflower January 5th, 2010 11:52 PM

All unexplainable phenomenons cannot be termed a magic. For eg. Our existence itself is Magic. No one knows how we all came into existence. Did we all come into existence by Magic? What about Bermuda Triangle?

Magic is more about tricks and illusions. So, there is nothing wrong in believing it..

Ash~The Purifying Prince~ January 6th, 2010 6:32 PM

Thats a very good question and I will say; yes I do believe in magic, if there were dinosaurs, then why not dragons? xD all the talk about unicorns and othet mystical creatures and places, people say its all just in myths and stuff people once made up years ago. But personally I've always said "You just never know what could be out there" After all no one in this entire world knows every single little detail about it and all its places, so who knows. But yeah I believe in magic as well as supernatural things ^^ as crazy as that may sound xD

devilicious January 6th, 2010 6:38 PM

Magic itself is a Devil's Proof, so it can't be denied.

But ahh, it's useless, it's all useless! I won't ever surrender!

kjmj14 January 7th, 2010 9:55 PM

Not really believe in magic.
Magic is just playing tricks on our eyes believing that there's really magic... :D

ÇyänïdëÉX January 8th, 2010 5:46 PM

Sorry to be a bit off topic but the topic name always makes me laugh because it reminds me of that dexters lab episode were they go to chubby cheese for his birthday or something and then the mechanical animals start singing about magic and stuff and well you get my point i think XD

Saltare. January 8th, 2010 5:49 PM

I did. When I was about five.

nameslot January 8th, 2010 8:45 PM

Yes, I believe in the magic.

♣Gawain♣ January 9th, 2010 3:15 AM

I don't believe in magic, it's all tricks and stuff. Although I wish it's real.

But I do believe in psychics, since I've experienced it.

Kotone January 9th, 2010 11:10 AM

im sure there is magic in the world, we jus tneed to find it. so yes, i do.

.little monster January 9th, 2010 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Black Ice (Post 5444380)
The universe has existed for 14 billion years or something and has been expanding ever since. The speed of light is blah blah blah. Nothing goes faster than the speed of light. That's your limit for the current size of the universe. Your "infinite possibilities" logic doesn't sound perfect anymore, does it? You're also assuming that time (or at least, in our universe) will go on forever. What happens if the universe decides to collapse? Ever heard of the Big Crunch or Big Rip theories? You're making too many assumptions.

Also that kind of logic can't work since infinity isn't a value; it's a mathematical concept. There's no such thing as infinite area or volume. Not in the physical world, at least.

As for being on topic, no I don't believe in magic. I believe that everything can be explained scientifically or logically, even though it may not appear so at first. I'm sure you could've guessed that already :p I did believe in it when I was a little kid though. Admit it, everyone did.

Nothing goes faster than the speed of light that we know of. However, scientists are experimenting to confirm a particle that goes faster than the speed of light. :3

I do not believe in magic, I believe in illusions. There might be things that might appear to be magic, but are not.

Making medicine out of herbs was considered magic in medieval times, but is it really magic? No, you're just dropping plants into a stew.

Honest January 10th, 2010 9:18 AM

I used to love magic when I was little, and belive in it as well.

Nowadays, not so. Dunno why. :P

marc8358 January 10th, 2010 7:47 PM

I don't believe so much but i enjoy it.........

sims796 January 11th, 2010 8:10 AM

I believe in a religion, simply because I believe in a higher power.

That said, I don't believe in magic. Ironic, huh? But yeah, I'm kinda like "I won't just believe anything just like that, bring proof & yada yada", but still believe in something more than what I see or can be proven.

Basically, I don't believe in magic, but if by some chance it turns out true, I won't be suprised.


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