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Haza January 6th, 2010 5:19 PM

New Pokemon or Forme Confirmed!
 
http://pokebeach.com/news/0210/corocoro-zorua-zoroark-2.jpg
Earlier today PokeBeach posted this

http://pokebeach.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/first-hint.jpg
Pokebeach:
A 13th movie product advertisement for Poke Ball projectors may contain hints for new Pokemon. The ad, which displays Pokemon that are known to be in The Ruler of Illusion: Z such as Celebi, Entei, Suicune, and Raikou, purposefully hides two of the Poke Ball Pokemon with question marks. The text above each question marks says "A Pokemon that will be in the movie."
When discussing the advertisement last night, we thought the question mark Pokemon may be Lugia and Ho-Oh since they were shown in the first teaser trailer for the 13th movie and are in Master Balls like Celebi (with Ho-Oh's creations in Ultra Balls, since they are of lesser status). However, it is not often that these types of products purposefully hide known Pokemon. In the past, these question marks turned out to be Pokemon like Shaymin Sky Forme, Giratina Origin Forme, and Spiky Ear Pichu, though on rare occasions they were in fact Pokemon that were already known. So, we can't really tell either way what the question marks mean until the products are released.
While the Pokemon may turn out to be just Lugia and Ho-Oh, as posted a few days ago, the "master of illusion" ("Z") may be a new Pokemon or Pokemon Forme that could be revealed in CoroCoro magazine this month (or within the next few months). We have run out of known Legendary Pokemon to use in movies, so it's probably time to reveal a new Pokemon or Pokemon forme anyway!

And was later updated with this
http://pokebeach.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/second-hint.jpg
In lieu of the previous news story posted here, a second 13th movie advertisement specifically mentions that new Pokemon will be in The Master of Illusion: Z. The advertisement, which is for a "Pokemon Seal Battle Piece Collection DP 2010 set," lists the names of Pokemon that will be released in sets of stickers ("seals"). The ad lists the names of the Pokemon to be included in each sticker set, and at the end of each bullet point, it says, "plus a newly-created Pokemon that's introduced in the movie."
Additionally, under Piplup's image above the list, the advertisement states, "The Pokemon (plural) introduced in 2010's Master of Illusion: Z are in the (sticker) lineup." This of course implies that more than one new Pokemon (or Pokemon Forme) will be shown for the first time in the movie!



It is important to note that Giratina's Origin Forme and Shaymin's Sky Forme were originally codenamed "new Pokemon" in advertisements, meaning it's possible that these Pokemon could be new Formes as opposed to brand new Pokemon. Thanks go to Frugrow for the image and Bangiras for translating! All of the evidence now points to there being new Pokemon in the movie!
  • Capsule 1 Master Ball (Entei, Tangrowth, Ninjask, plus a newly-created Pokemon that's introduced in the movie)
  • Capsule 2 Hyper Ball (Suicune, Piplup, Croagunk, Shuppet, plus a newly-created Pokemon that's introduced in the movie)
  • Capsule 3 Super Ball (Pikachu, Raikou, Happiny, Bronzor, plus a newly-created Pokemon that's introduced in the movie)
  • Capsule 4 Monster Ball (Celebi, Mismagius, Mightyena, Togekiss, plus a newly-created Pokemon that's introduced in the movie)
  • Capsule 5 Monster Ball (Celebi, Torterra, Scizor, Infernape, plus a newly-created Pokemon that's introduced in the movie)
Update: Fixed some of the translations and clarified some of the information. Note that there will most likely not be five new Pokemon, but probably two or so represented in multiple sticker sets.

Verkaufer January 6th, 2010 5:23 PM

Nice find. It would be strange for them to release a new forme unless they plan on releasing an updated Pokemon Crystal version.

But perhaps they're gearing up for Gen5?

Spikey-Eared Pichu January 6th, 2010 5:29 PM

This is great ^.^ We're getting Gen. 5! Hahah, I'm sooo happy now!

Kendall January 6th, 2010 5:32 PM

Woohoo finally. It's about time we started seeing hints and confirmation of new pokemon/formes.

Farlace January 6th, 2010 6:43 PM

I have a feeling its a dark version of Celebi

kittykitten January 6th, 2010 7:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Typhlosion157 (Post 5455762)
I have a feeling its a dark version of Celebi

They may also include a new legendary dog.

Haza January 6th, 2010 7:26 PM

Finally Pokemon is giving me a reason to be excited again. Lol, Im kind of surviving on PoP Culture & Pokemon...

Personally I think it will be alternate formes such as Celebi Z and maybe a PikaPal of the 5th generation...

Farlace January 6th, 2010 7:36 PM

well I edited my post cause I thought it was a dumb theory Xb but take a look at pokemon-movies.jp and use google translate. im investigating now lol

Åzurε January 6th, 2010 8:17 PM

Hmm. I thought it a possibility that Celebi would get a new Form. This whole deal reminds me of Marril and Elekid from when Johto was being introduced. Excitement!

GoldvsRed January 6th, 2010 8:22 PM

I WANT A SQUID POKEMON. /capsrape

Haza January 6th, 2010 8:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoldvsRed (Post 5456025)
I WANT A SQUID POKEMON. /capsrape

LOLz, RANDOM! :/

I'm certain they are not going to revelal a 5th gen legendary in this film so its either something similar to how Shaymin (Sky Forme) and Giratina (Origin Forme) were revealed being a new forme or like Snubull and Marill being regular new pokemon making initial 5th Gen debut.

Toxicroak January 6th, 2010 10:13 PM

god help us all if its a Celebi form :(

enough forms already, i wanna see new pokemon, not the same one with wings or tentacles

Haza January 6th, 2010 10:16 PM

A Celebi forme with Grass/Dark typing would be a pleasant surprise if you ask me...

Toxicroak January 6th, 2010 10:19 PM

it would be cool yeah, but to be representing the 5th gen with an older pokemon on roids isn't

they should be sneak peaking the starters :)

i dont know if this was implyed in the post but since the dogs are in ultra balls and are legendary, the pokemon in masterballs could be beyond legendary and could be similar to arceus?

The Red Chain January 6th, 2010 10:54 PM

-crosses fingers- DarkCelebiDarkCelebiDarkCelebi >.<

Uh oh, I see Ape and Ninjask in the sticker set.
I wonder if this means Ash's Monferno is gonna evolve? 8D
.. Then does that mean someone is gonna get a Ninjask? o.e
First Ash gets a Gible that is undoubtedly gonna evolve to Garchomp.. now we have evidence a Ninjask may join the main cast?
For god sake.. anyway, moving on.

Yay, it's about freakin' time we start seeing some new hopefully not formes unless it's DC Pokemon. <3


[jq]i dont know if this was implyed in the post but since the dogs are in ultra balls and are legendary, the pokemon in masterballs could be beyond legendary and could be similar to arceus?[/jq]

Oh please no. x.x;
There's already a Pokemon god for everything, what more could they possibly make? D:


Toxicroak January 6th, 2010 11:09 PM

[jq]i dont know if this was implyed in the post but since the dogs are in ultra balls and are legendary, the pokemon in masterballs could be beyond legendary and could be similar to arceus?[/jq]

Quote:

Oh please no. x.x;
There's already a Pokemon god for everything, what more could they possibly make? D:[/FONT]
God could always use a side kick :P

Esper January 6th, 2010 11:11 PM

Huh. I'm not entirely sure how the line 映画登場ポケモン on the seals poster translates as "a newly-created Pokemon that's introduced in the movie." I read it as "Pokemon appearing in the movie." The only reference to anything new that I can see only refers to new goods/products for the newest movie.

I suppose the line 劇場版最新作登場ポケモン in the first poster could mean that, but it looks more like "Pokemon appearing in the latest movie" to me. I'm not an expert, but I wouldn't get my hopes up yet.

Haza January 6th, 2010 11:49 PM

Remember, I was only quoting Pokebeach... but I have a gut feeling that its going to be Lugia and Ho oh in someway. That trailer has to have meant something, and remember, Heatran had one of those when he was really minor aswell as Regigigas...

Update from PokeBeach: Fixed some of the translations and clarified some of the information. Note that there will most likely not be five new Pokemon, but probably two or so represented in multiple sticker sets.

ArcanineOod January 7th, 2010 12:40 AM

Well, well, well! Most interesting!
A new forme or two, eh? This shall be exciting!

They're probably the legendary birds, you know, but still, if they aren't, this is exciting news. ^_^

xX

KopaKura January 7th, 2010 2:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Toxicroak (Post 5456353)
i dont know if this was implyed in the post but since the dogs are in ultra balls and are legendary, the pokemon in masterballs could be beyond legendary and could be similar to arceus?

I doubt it would be something that major, I think if anything, it's just implying their importance as in "New forme! -masterball-" or "Sneak Peek of Gen V! -masterball-" More than anything.

Serene Grace January 7th, 2010 4:56 AM

Nice find, I can't wait for more information about the Pokemon formes.

The thing is, I'm starting to think that they'll most likely be Johto Pokemon, to advertise Heart Gold and Soul Silver in Japan and other countries. The only problem is that, if the Pokemon formes gets released after the games are released in Japan, then the formes are most likely going to be obtained through Mystery Gift in Japan, which probably means it'll get released as a Mystery gift in USA and Europe too. This means events.

This is a good theory and a great way to speculate and discuss, so I'll stick this for now.

KopaKura January 7th, 2010 7:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Serene Grace (Post 5456864)
Nice find, I can't wait for more information about the Pokemon formes.

The thing is, I'm starting to think that they'll most likely be Johto Pokemon, to advertise Heart Gold and Soul Silver in Japan and other countries. The only problem is that, if the Pokemon formes gets released after the games are released in Japan, then the formes are most likely going to be obtained through Mystery Gift in Japan, which probably means it'll get released as a Mystery gift in USA and Europe too. This means events.

This is a good theory and a great way to speculate and discuss, so I'll stick this for now.

If they are new formes, I doubt they'll be in HGSS, surely coders and people taking part the game would have found their sprites and such by now?

Masterge77 January 7th, 2010 7:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toxicroak (Post 5456343)
god help us all if its a Celebi form :(

enough forms already, i wanna see new pokemon, not the same one with wings or tentacles


It's quite obvious that there will be no new forms, HG/SS proves that the 4th generation is ending, also if it were a new form, it would be of a new Pokemon or a Deoxys Special forme, but Deoxys isn't in this film for all we know, so it is obviously a new Pokemon or two, or maybe even 3 new Pokemon if were lucky, after all, movie 8 and 9 each introduced 4 new Pokemon (Movie 8: Lucario, Bonsly, Mime Jr., Weavile, Movie 9: Manaphy, Buizel, Chatot, Mantyke), making a total of 8 new Pokemon, which are now old Pokemon since generation 4 is rolling the red carpet back in and the red carpet for generation 5 is just about to be rolled out....

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Originally Posted by KopaKura (Post 5457009)

If they are new formes, I doubt they'll be in HGSS, surely coders and people taking part the game would have found their sprites and such by now?

Agreed, Mystery gift can't expand the ROM data within the game, besides, if they were new formes for Johto Pokemon, we would have already found the sprites in HG/SS' coding by now, and possibly even the methods to obtaining them....

Serene Grace January 7th, 2010 9:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KopaKura (Post 5457009)


If they are new formes, I doubt they'll be in HGSS, surely coders and people taking part the game would have found their sprites and such by now?

I guess you're right. Anyway, we'll wait and see for more information. That's why specualating is so awesome.

Pokémon Ranger ✩ Moriarty January 7th, 2010 9:47 AM

If this isn't going to be a Dark!Celebi, I'm going to be very disappointed after reading this post. XD Dark/Grass would be an awesome combo. 8D

Amore January 7th, 2010 9:52 AM

Lol.Seeing as something about the movie said Ash meets a lookalike, maybe we can capture an Ash-like pokemon!!!That'd be cool, i'd just make him faint over, and over, and over, and over again

GoldvsRed January 7th, 2010 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Unidentified Flying Aces (Post 5457207)
Lol.Seeing as something about the movie said Ash meets a lookalike, maybe we can capture an Ash-like pokemon!!!That'd be cool, i'd just make him faint over, and over, and over, and over again

Finally, something that Magikrap can beat!

Uecil January 7th, 2010 10:41 AM

all i need to say is YYYAAHHHHOOOOOO!!!! YYYAYYYY YEAAHHHH right thats over i can't wait to see this 5 generation it's going to rock like all the others did ^.^

pokefangunner January 7th, 2010 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by kittykitten (Post 5455804)
They may also include a new legendary dog.

OMG i never thought about having another dog legendary that would be so cool they could turn out like evvee and keep getting new evolutions every generation cant wait to see what generation 5 means! (and yes, i do not know how to spell evee lol)

BlueEew January 7th, 2010 11:24 AM

If it is two new Pokemon I am guessing they would be none legendary Pokemon. We know the movie already as four legendary Pokemon in it, so six would be way over the top.

iLaxbe! January 7th, 2010 11:36 AM

I believe that both are new Pokémon. We are fed up with new forms, and 2010 is there, c'mon! New Pokémon should appear each 3-4 years (Munchlax is from 2004, so should have been two years ago).

But i believe that one of those is the "Z" Pokémon, a legendary IMO.
And the other one a baby, like was with Togepi, Azurill and Munchlax, in their respective generations.

GoldvsRed January 7th, 2010 11:44 AM

Yeah, the first ones revealed are usually Baby Pokemon, new Evos, the Starters, and the version mascots.

KopaKura January 7th, 2010 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by GoldvsRed (Post 5457390)
Yeah, the first ones revealed are usually Baby Pokemon, new Evos, the Starters, and the version mascots.

Wasn't Chatot one of the first to be revealed for D/P? That doesn't fit in with those.

Kikaito plush January 7th, 2010 11:55 AM

I know it will be the Dark verison of Luga from XD and dark Ho-oh...

GoldvsRed January 7th, 2010 11:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KopaKura (Post 5457400)


Wasn't Chatot one of the first to be revealed for D/P? That doesn't fit in with those.

I know. I forgot to mention miscellaneous others, like Manaphy and Lucario.

I Laugh at your Misfortune! January 7th, 2010 12:06 PM

I wonder....possibly Lugia and Ho-oh will get new formes? As there are two released together, it suggests to me that these will be two Pokemon that will be equal in some way (e.g. Ho-oh and Lugia/ Groudon and Kyogre) I doubt it will be starters, as I'd expect them to be all released together, so as to not create an unbalanced feel.

Perhaps two fresh Eeveelutions? Maybe two version exclusives? We'll just have to see :D

iLaxbe! January 7th, 2010 12:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KopaKura (Post 5457400)
Wasn't Chatot one of the first to be revealed for D/P? That doesn't fit in with those.

Chatot was revealed later. First was Munchlax. Then, Bonsly, Mime Jr., Weavile and Lucario.

Every new generation of Pokémon has a Baby-like among the first to be revealed.

2nd: Togepi (1997)
3rd: Azurill, Wailmer, Kecleon (2001)
4th: Munchlax (2004)

Haza January 7th, 2010 7:29 PM

Can the name of this thread be changed to;
New Pokemon or Forme Confirmed!

please...

yaminokame January 7th, 2010 7:43 PM

sorry to say this, but that information is a little.... biased? ... it's not looking at every possible meaning of the sentence(s) :/ That does not confirm that something new is going to come out. The most I can say about that is that you can speculate that since the past two movies have had something "new" there is a good chance that they could have something new in there... but the fact is that 登場 is being translated to mean one thing only, when it does not only apply to overall new things... sure, there is a good change that it is, but nothing has been confirmed yet :(

Xebelleon January 7th, 2010 8:44 PM

Perhaps it is a Shiny/alternate variation of a current Pokemon.

Such as the Notch Eared Pichu and Gyarados of alternate color.
May also be the "Movie" event. Perhaps a Pokemon that can do something crazy strange like Transform, Roar of Time, or Spacial Rend.

Spike Skull Magby...

Haza January 7th, 2010 10:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by yaminokame (Post 5458506)
sorry to say this, but that information is a little.... biased? ... it's not looking at every possible meaning of the sentence(s) :/ That does not confirm that something new is going to come out. The most I can say about that is that you can speculate that since the past two movies have had something "new" there is a good chance that they could have something new in there... but the fact is that 登場 is being translated to mean one thing only, when it does not only apply to overall new things... sure, there is a good change that it is, but nothing has been confirmed yet :(

I honestly trust you when it comes to translating Japanese so I would seriously take that into consideration everyone. Just like Heatran and Regigigas had those coin thingys, and the trailer showed Ho oh and Lugia so I dont think we should count them out just yet. And all of the major sites have contributed to the hype when they all came out to be wrong about the same thing before.

Idiot! January 7th, 2010 11:35 PM

I am pessimistic, but the furthest I would guess are the special Pichu(s)

Nothing's confirmed yet. All we can assume is that the two question marks are in the movie.

Halcyon January 8th, 2010 6:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kittykitten (Post 5455804)
They may also include a new legendary dog.

Like Regirock, Regice and Registeel and they give ...Regigigas?

...I don't think I want to see something like that. XD;

I really hope it is a new Pokemon but not a new forme (except the Dark Celebi, lol).

If it is really a 5th Gen Pokemon, I would be really excited. :D

JP January 8th, 2010 7:29 AM

I doubt it's a new forme, unless of course you consider these "dark" or "Z" Pokemon to be formes. If anything, it'll most likely be alterations of already known Pokemon JUST for the movie and not something that would appear in games. Otherwise, it would be quite strange to include new Formes in this movie and not even have a hint of them in the games (especially considering how lately, the games and movies have had a good amount of connectivity.)

Though, I really am hoping they are new Pokemon shown in the same fashion Donphan was in the first movie. Wouldn't be surprised if it was possibly one or two new Pokemon along with a different Forme also. Either way, I highly doubt it'll be a new legendary and I really hope it's not some Celebi Forme. >_<

Idiot! January 8th, 2010 7:56 AM

Well, it could be just another Shiny.

Porygon-2000 January 8th, 2010 9:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 己acroɥdaguS (Post 5459579)
Well, it could be just another Shiny.

Or, It could be one based on the Flying Spaghetti Monster. Its all speculation at this point, and I intend to be as rampant and illogical as possible, until they actually tell us what it is....

FilbertTheFox January 8th, 2010 9:41 AM

Might be a egg pokemon like how togepi was revealed in the anime, nobody had a clue what it was until the johto series.

Charmageddon January 8th, 2010 11:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Halcyon (Post 5459444)
Like Regirock, Regice and Registeel and they give ...Regigigas?

...I don't think I want to see something like that. XD;

Anyway, the dogs already have a master - Ho-oh.

bmtdan January 8th, 2010 11:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by yaminokame (Post 5458506)
sorry to say this, but that information is a little.... biased? ... it's not looking at every possible meaning of the sentence(s) :/ That does not confirm that something new is going to come out. The most I can say about that is that you can speculate that since the past two movies have had something "new" there is a good chance that they could have something new in there... but the fact is that 登場 is being translated to mean one thing only, when it does not only apply to overall new things... sure, there is a good change that it is, but nothing has been confirmed yet :(


definetly agreed here i put my votes on it prolly just being hooh and lugia

Kirbychu January 8th, 2010 4:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toxicroak (Post 5456343)
god help us all if its a Celebi form :(

No.

God help us all if it's Notched/Spiky-eared Pikachu. D:

If it does turn out to be a new celebi form it makes me wonder if other Pokemon will be given new forms in Gen 5... I also think Ho-oh and Lugia are extremely plausible.

Serene Grace January 9th, 2010 2:24 AM

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Originally Posted by You Just Lost the Game (Post 5457448)
I wonder....possibly Lugia and Ho-oh will get new formes? As there are two released together, it suggests to me that these will be two Pokemon that will be equal in some way (e.g. Ho-oh and Lugia/ Groudon and Kyogre) I doubt it will be starters, as I'd expect them to be all released together, so as to not create an unbalanced feel.

Perhaps two fresh Eeveelutions? Maybe two version exclusives? We'll just have to see :D

I understand your reasoning about the Lugia/Ho-oH formes. However, I would think that it would be better just to release new legendaries, but then when has Nintendo been known for originality and new releases with every game.. XD;

NO. NO. NO MORE EEVEELUTIONS. 7 IS ENOUGH! COME ON, WE DON'T NEED ANY MORE. *Breathes Maniacaly*

Haza January 9th, 2010 2:32 AM

I have been checking every site constantly to find more info on this. Its driving me insane. Guess we just have to wait for Coro Coro, but I cant remember if they do things on movies in that magizine...

Serene Grace January 9th, 2010 2:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rN Haza (Post 5461714)
I have been checking every site constantly to find more info on this. Its driving me insane. Guess we just have to wait for Coro Coro, but I cant remember if they do things on movies in that magizine...

I'm pretty sure Coro Coro do specials on all the Pokemon news - games and movies. Anyway, we'll just have to wait and see really.

Edit:
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pokebeach
It has been brought to our attention that there was a major translation error in the sticker advertisement story we posted the other day. Instead of the advertisement reading "plus a Pokemon that's introduced in the movie," it should be read "plus a Pokemon that appears in the movie."

So, it looks like the Pokemon will only appear in the movie. It then might a be a one time thing..

♣Gawain♣ January 9th, 2010 2:57 AM

I have a feeling that the new pokemon could be a servant of Arceus.

Halcyon January 9th, 2010 3:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Charmageddon (Post 5459954)
Anyway, the dogs already have a master - Ho-oh.

I see.
No wonder I don't like Ho-oh. XD *shot*

Haza January 9th, 2010 4:03 AM

From Pokebeach
Spoiler:

It has been brought to our attention that there was a misconstrued translation in the sticker advertisement story we posted the other day. Instead of the advertisement reading "plus a Pokemon that's introduced in the movie," it should be interpreted as "plus a Pokemon that appears in the movie." This change invalidates the entire story, obviously, since any Pokemon can appear in the movie. There was actually a lot of debate among our translators regarding the translation's meaning after the story was posted, but it was ultimately decided that the translation was accurate because the specific word is often used in Japanese to mean "introduce" (in terms of a character that has not appeared before) and because the Japanese wording was odd in the way it was stating that other Pokemon would be in the product. We have now determined that the advertisement was simply using ambiguous wording to generate hype (an old marketing strategy). Therefore, I deeply apologize for the misconstrued information.
Despite the above, thanks to Yaminokame, we have recently learned that CoroCoro is going to have a "world-first" announcement in their next issue. In the current December 15th issue's preview section of the upcoming January 15th issue, there is a little blurb that states: "Pocket Monsters Master of Illusion: Z Quick Report!! Because it's CoroCoro there is a possibility for a world-first announcement!!" CoroCoro has revealed major news dozens of times before, including new Pokemon to be featured in upcoming movies, so the same may occur this time as well since the "world-first" announcement is concerning the 13th movie and they specifically reference their reputation. The issue will likely be leaked on the Internet between the 10th and 15th, and when it is, we will find out what they are talking about! (A silhouette of a Pokemon is usually what they show first, by the way.) However, there is a possibility the news will simply be something related to the movie's plot or even some promotional images - there are no guarantees it will be a new Pokemon, as it's still a bit early in the year. But we should definitely be seeing one in the next few months.
But that's not all! Pokemon Sunday, which will air two days after the magazine is officially released, has stated through their episode synopsis that they will be announcing something important on their January 17th show during the game segment. What could it be? Well, literally anything, so it may have nothing to do with any of this speculation or CoroCoro's announcement. But it may!
It seems like Ash's main journey in Sinnoh will end soon, as he [spoilers following] has one more badge to obtain and the new opening that aired in Japan yesterday shows off almost all Legendary Pokemon known so far - as if this is supposed to be the last epic opening to the show before something new, such as a 5th generation Pokemon, comes along. It's also convenient that this new opening is beginning to air around the time all these alleged announcements are coming. Not to mention that Ash's team will soon be very powerful (as evidenced by the evolutions he has), perhaps meaning he is going to face a big challenge soon (Battle Frontier? Elite Four?). Remember, Masamitsu Hidaka, the old director of the show, stated that the writers begin to evolve Ash's Pokemon when something big is coming up, and Ash's team is due for two evolutions soon as the opening shows.
And that's still not all! In a recent interview with a Japanese newspaper, the president of Nintendo commented that the DS's successor "[will have] highly detailed graphics" and "a sensor with the ability to read the movements of people playing." Recently, Gamefreak, the creators of the main Pokemon games, solicited to hire 3D artists. Perhaps they were seeking these employees to help with the 5th generation games since they will be on an apparently powerful 3D handheld. As Gamefreak currently only makes Pokemon games, where else would the 3D artists go? And since it would make sense for the new games to be in the works right now, some Pokemon designs are probably already finished and ready to be advertised. Again, these are just theories... what you would call "speculation." Not all of the facts are known or can be known. In the past, though, connecting the dots has often lead the Pokemon fandom to discovering patterns and predicting what will happen in the future.
In the article, Nintendo's president also refused to state an estimated release date for the DS's successor, instead citing that the DS is selling extremely well now. This implies that the successor will not be released anytime soon, though it is definitely in the horizon. We can probably guess it will be released in 2011, since 2010 is too early and 2012 is too far away for them to even begin dropping hints about their next handheld. If this theory is true, within the next few months we could begin seeing 5th generation Pokemon showcased (if our other news stories haven't convinced you already, specifically the ones about "Z"). Kecleon, Wailmer, and Azurill were the first 3rd generation Pokemon to be seen, revealed in March 2001 for 2002's Ruby and Sapphire, and Munchlax was the first 4th generation Pokemon, revealed in May 2004 for 2006's Diamond and Pearl. We could begin to see silhouettes as soon as this month (though probably later than sooner), with the fully revealed Pokemon later on.
Remember, most of this is just theory based on some facts and speculation. However, CoroCoro will probably reveal something major no matter what, and there will probably be 5th generation Pokemon coming soon no matter what. "Z" is probably a 5th generation Pokemon, and if not, we'll get something else instead. We'll see what happens regarding this speculation as the year unfolds!


Ugh, this article is so bibolar to me. It still has me excited to know what Coro Coro and Pokemn Sunday are going to reveal. And the thing about a mis translation is no surprise but it doesnt count out anything yet... Just learn to not be too optimistic when it comes to the Pokemon franchise.

Redstar January 9th, 2010 5:40 AM

It's very likely that something like formes will be present, if not actual formes. Just look at the cloned Pokemon in the first movie: visibly identical except for new markings. The movies have a tendency to differentiate important Pokemon via markings or physical corruption. From what I've heard and read on some Japanese sites, Ho-Oh and Lugia may have dark formes of a kind. We're not too far off in thinking of a "dark" Celebi.

GlitchCity January 9th, 2010 8:01 AM

it could be a 5th gen pokemon, like they did with the lucario movie. I would like to see dark celebi return from the 4th movie :D that would be bad ass

Serene Grace January 9th, 2010 10:26 AM

I really don't want new evolutions of existing Pokemon. Just new Pokemon, like they did when they first introduced Lucario in the movie: Lucario & The Mystery of Mew.

Haza January 9th, 2010 9:01 PM

The only thing that convinces me that there will be a new pokemon still is the "Z" in the title of the movie. Its not like a Human has ever been the title of a Pokemon move...

"Shadow Lugia" January 9th, 2010 10:16 PM

Pokebeach has a new article mentioning Pokemon Sunday's preview for next week's episode:
Quote:

Pokemon Sunday aired in Japan today (where it is Sunday), and for the preview of their next episode, host Shokotan displayed a large card with a question mark covering it. This obviously validates the news posted in the "5th Generation Evidence and Speculation" post regarding Pokemon Sunday revealing something important on their January 17th episode. What could this question mark be? Well, it could be a new Pokemon, but you never know for sure - we'll find out this time next week! The screenshots below are courtesy of Filb.de, which you can click for a larger picture.


Serene Grace January 10th, 2010 3:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by "Shadow Lugia" (Post 5463935)
Pokebeach has a new article mentioning Pokemon Sunday's preview for next week's episode:

Awesome news. This is starting to increase the chances that this might be a 5th gen Pokemon, especially now that they're hinting at it.

Serebii January 10th, 2010 3:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Serene Grace (Post 5464226)

Awesome news. This is starting to increase the chances that this might be a 5th gen Pokemon, especially now that they're hinting at it.

No it doesn't. Pokémon Sunday is notorious for covering things in their previews, as they're that...previews. They're not going to show things off, they're going to encourage peoiple to watch next week

Last year they covered the Red Gyarados in a preview, they covered a Magikarp too for crying out loud.

It could be anything. They aren't hinting at anything. Yes it could be a 5th gen Pokémon, but it's equally as likely that it isn't. It could be them talking about the Celebi event in HGSS and Giovanni is behind that question mark. It could be the Lock Capsule. Heck it could be a new game like Ranger 3. We just can't tell.

Plus, thanks to yaminokame for informing me, the showing is in the Game Arena segment and not anything to do with the movie which would be where a new Pokémon is shown

Serene Grace January 10th, 2010 3:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Serebii (Post 5464235)
No it doesn't. Pokémon Sunday is notorious for covering things in their previews, as they're that...previews. They're not going to show things off, they're going to encourage peoiple to watch next week

Last year they covered the Red Gyarados in a preview, they covered a Magikarp too for crying out loud.

It could be anything. They aren't hinting at anything. Yes it could be a 5th gen Pokémon, but it's equally as likely that it isn't. It could be them talking about the Celebi event in HGSS and Giovanni is behind that question mark. It could be the Lock Capsule. Heck it could be a new game like Ranger 3. We just can't tell

Actually, in Pokebeach's post, they said that they will be revealing something important on January 17th. I would like to think that "something important" hints to an important new release or design idea which could well include a new Pokemon for all we know.

But, like I said before, it may well be that I'm wrong, you're wrong or we're both wrong. However, I still think that Pokemon Sunday won't say something is important and dissapoint by producing something minor.I think that there's a high possibility that a new game might be introduced, however, I'm still not cocksure about it but I'm sure that we'll learn what it really is by the 17th.

I also recommend taking a look at this article, maybe you'll see why I said that they were hinting at a Generation 5 Pokemon because it certainly managed to convince me.

Serebii January 10th, 2010 3:36 AM

Pokebeach is wrong. They're just speculating, there are no "hints".

From the Pokémon Sunday website thanks to yaminokame;

「ポケモンゲームアリーナ」では、ポケサンカンパニーが手に入れた重大ニュースを発表! 情報部・しょこたん部長から、驚きの情報が飛び出すぞ!
"The important news that the Pokesun Company has received will be announced during the "Pokemon Game Arena!" Department. Chief Shokotan (Information Department) will give out surprising news!"

Chances are good its just the 13th movie giveaway being revealed. A New Pokémon would be revealed on its own, not in any other area

Haza January 10th, 2010 4:04 AM

Sigh. I guess its a good thing not to be too optimistic so you wont be let down in situations like this but the timing is just so right right now. This will be the most interesting turn out regardless. (also, I cant remember what the lock capsule is for, or do we even know?)

iLaxbe! January 10th, 2010 12:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Serebii (Post 5464240)
Pokebeach is wrong. They're just speculating, there are no "hints".

From the Pokémon Sunday website thanks to yaminokame;

「ポケモンゲームアリーナ」では、ポケサンカンパニーが手に入れた重大ニュースを発表! 情報部・しょこたん部長から、驚きの情報が飛び出すぞ!
"The important news that the Pokesun Company has received will be announced during the "Pokemon Game Arena!" Department. Chief Shokotan (Information Department) will give out surprising news!"

Chances are good its just the 13th movie giveaway being revealed. A New Pokémon would be revealed on its own, not in any other area

Yes, PokéBeach is obviously speculating. But I think that this is all we Pokéfans can do, right?

It's 2010! If I don't see a 5th generation Pokémon in the next weeks I'll start to think that it's the end. Though Pokémon is a worldwide franchise, which generates uncountable direct and indirect profits, though every new Nintendo console is made after Pokémon executive directors' approval, I will only be sure of a future when I see a picture of a new monster.

I'm afraid, Serebii, I'm checking on your page every single day. Show us when it come, that's all I ask.

The Darkest Gale January 10th, 2010 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Serene Grace (Post 5464238)
Actually, in Pokebeach's post, they said that they will be revealing something important on January 17th. I would like to think that "something important" hints to an important new release or design idea which could well include a new Pokemon for all we know.

But, like I said before, it may well be that I'm wrong, you're wrong or we're both wrong. However, I still think that Pokemon Sunday won't say something is important and dissapoint by producing something minor.I think that there's a high possibility that a new game might be introduced, however, I'm still not cocksure about it but I'm sure that we'll learn what it really is by the 17th.

I also recommend taking a look at this article, maybe you'll see why I said that they were hinting at a Generation 5 Pokemon because it certainly managed to convince me.


my birthday!
I've been researching it (not very well) and even when I tried to find something on pokemon sunday and same nothing :(
oh well that gives me 2 things to look forward too xD

Serebii January 10th, 2010 3:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ¡Laxbe! (Post 5465244)
Yes, PokéBeach is obviously speculating. But I think that this is all we Pokéfans can do, right?

It's 2010! If I don't see a 5th generation Pokémon in the next weeks I'll start to think that it's the end. Though Pokémon is a worldwide franchise, which generates uncountable direct and indirect profits, though every new Nintendo console is made after Pokémon executive directors' approval, I will only be sure of a future when I see a picture of a new monster.

I'm afraid, Serebii, I'm checking on your page every single day. Show us when it come, that's all I ask.

You're jumping to conclusions

I'd say with a high amount of certainty that there will be a 5th gen in Movie 13

However I'd also say with a high amount of certainty that this announcement will not reveal it. At the very most we'll get a sihlouette in CoroCoro but that is at a massive stretch. As I have been saying, it is more than likely a reveal of an event. Don't forget, we're not meant to know about the Celebi event. It's my fault we do but they just go on as if that didn't happen

iLaxbe! January 10th, 2010 4:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Serebii (Post 5465500)
You're jumping to conclusions

I'd say with a high amount of certainty that there will be a 5th gen in Movie 13

However I'd also say with a high amount of certainty that this announcement will not reveal it. At the very most we'll get a sihlouette in CoroCoro but that is at a massive stretch. As I have been saying, it is more than likely a reveal of an event. Don't forget, we're not meant to know about the Celebi event. It's my fault we do but they just go on as if that didn't happen

I'd say with a high amount of certainty thank you for answering (first time it happens, in fact).

I remember when Gonbe was released, first that silhouette in the 7th movie website, then CoroCoro revealed it. Okay then, if you say so, I'll believe it. Thanks again.

.Gamer January 10th, 2010 5:18 PM

imo dunsparce or delebird needs a new evo.

gleeson638 January 11th, 2010 5:28 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldvsRed (Post 5456025)
I WANT A SQUID POKEMON. /capsrape

tentacruel and octillery they have enough squids

Spikey-Eared Pichu January 11th, 2010 6:02 PM

Okay, look, whether or not we're getting a preiview of the 5th Generation, allow people to speculate and wonder, okay? Don't shoot down our ideas, please. I'm hoping for just one, one would do me in for Gen 5.

Skully367 January 11th, 2010 11:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gleeson638 (Post 5468069)
tentacruel and octillery they have enough squids

Tentacruel is a jellyfish.
Octillery is a octopus.
There is no squid Pokemon.

everglow89 January 12th, 2010 10:05 AM

Gonna throw in my two cents here. I read recently that Nintendo announced (among other things like a 2010 release of the new Zelda Wii game) that they are in preparation for releasing the next hand held to succeed the DS. It makes sense that Gen. V news would be starting to kick off about now.

Skully367 January 12th, 2010 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by everglow89 (Post 5469194)
Gonna throw in my two cents here. I read recently that Nintendo announced (among other things like a 2010 release of the new Zelda Wii game) that they are in preparation for releasing the next hand held to succeed the DS. It makes sense that Gen. V news would be starting to kick off about now.

Source please? Nintendo has only said that it will have motion sensing (Like the Iphone and some other smartphones) and will be able to run games in 3D (Or, rather in better 3D than it already does) They said nothing about release, that would of been speculation on the poster's end. Though it is thought that it will be releaced next year. And 'Zelda Wii' was announced shortly after E3 as far as remember.

everglow89 January 13th, 2010 12:35 AM

http://news.vgchartz.com/news.php?id=6422&a=2

I didn't say they were releasing the console this year. Just that they obviously have it in the works, which is just the right time for information on Gen. V to begin to appear. And, yes, the next Zelda installment for the Wii was mentioned before hand, however, this article claims to confirm what was disbelieved to actually be released before this year's end.

Haza January 13th, 2010 4:09 AM

Aww, looks like we will get nowhere with this for a few months. Coro Coro only leaked info on a new Ranger game and its obvious that Pokemon Sunday will do the same :(

Skully367 January 13th, 2010 7:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by everglow89 (Post 5469194)
Gonna throw in my two cents here. I read recently that Nintendo announced (among other things like a 2010 release of the new Zelda Wii game) that they are in preparation for releasing the next hand held to succeed the DS. It makes sense that Gen. V news would be starting to kick off about now.

Quote:

Originally Posted by everglow89 (Post 5470925)
http://news.vgchartz.com/news.php?id=6422&a=2

I didn't say they were releasing the console this year. Just that they obviously have it in the works, which is just the right time for information on Gen. V to begin to appear. And, yes, the next Zelda installment for the Wii was mentioned before hand, however, this article claims to confirm what was disbelieved to actually be released before this year's end.


Preparation
for releasing would be when they are Prepering to release the console. That would mean that they are wanting to release it soon, soon being anything from Q2 to Q4. It would be quite understandable that I would confused. And no where in that artical was the release date mentioned, well, not including that they don't want to reveal the release date. from what I've read they've only been discusing feature that the want to implement, so I estimate a 2011-2012 release date.

Back on topic, Its a shame the only revealed a ranger game, though I was actually wanting one to be released.

Masterge77 January 13th, 2010 9:42 AM

Considering the Recent announcement of Ranger 3, the question mark is most likely Ukalele Pichu, which we know of this morning, exists, so don't get your hopes up, also, it seems that Nintendo has been obbsessed with Pichu lately, they recently made Spiky Eared Pichu, ten years after the original Pichu was made, then they made Pikachu Colored Pichu (even though it looks like a regular shiny Pichu), now Ukalele Pichu, whats next, Giant Robot from Space Pichu? have they forgottten of Pichus evolution, the mascot of this very franchise, our very own Pikachu? Apparently so.....

Haza January 13th, 2010 4:01 PM

I really doubt the whole Ukalele Pichu thing. I mean, it is only the mascot of that specific game, as Plusle & Minun were for the previous game. I am relieved this update had nothing to do with the movie. There is still hope! ^_^

Spikey-Eared Pichu January 13th, 2010 6:12 PM

Ukaele Pichu? Umm, anyone notice the possible reference there to the Surfing Pikachu?

Haza January 14th, 2010 3:22 AM

Coro coro did have a page on Movie 13 but it basically just showed us the things we know. Looks like we have to wait til next month to get more details. Im thinking the next issue might just give details on the Celebi Event, then maybe the next will be what we're waiting for. Just my opinon.

yaminokame January 14th, 2010 3:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rN Haza (Post 5473004)
Coro coro did have a page on Movie 13 but it basically just showed us the things we know. Looks like we have to wait til next month to get more details. Im thinking the next issue might just give details on the Celebi Event, then maybe the next will be what we're waiting for. Just my opinon.

The preview says that they will be introducing a top secret Pokemon that is in the movie :p

(from the blog)
映画登場ポケモン極秘公開!!
だれもがビックリするポケモンが映画に登場!

top secret revealing of a Pokemon that will appear in the movie!!
A Pokemon that anyone would be surprised at is making an appearance in the movie!

The above text is too small to read if it's on the scan but the person who wrote the blog typed it out along with the text written there. I won't know until tomorrow when I buy my copy though :p ...

Haza January 14th, 2010 4:26 AM

Thanks Yaminokame, Im trying not to read into too much because I would certainly be surprised if any random pokemon like, Spiky Eared Pichu showed up. It could mean anything but its still exciting.

Pokéthan January 17th, 2010 4:23 AM

Is the fast that there hasn't been a new series announced? Could that mean a new generation of games/ anime etc?? Also the Phantom Ruler Z film cold be the last in the D/P series and even preview a new one!

Serene Grace January 17th, 2010 4:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pokéthan (Post 5479651)
Is the fast that there hasn't been a new series announced? Could that mean a new generation of games/ anime etc?? Also the Phantom Ruler Z film cold be the last in the D/P series and even preview a new one!

This post is in the wrong thread so I'll move it to the 'New Pokemon or Forme Confirmed!' thread.

Mew~ January 20th, 2010 9:00 AM

I will laugh so flipping hard if one of those question marks is the Ukelele Pichu from pokemon ranger 3 XD

Haza January 20th, 2010 3:30 PM

I would cry, though I dont see it fitting in but also, with the appearance and importance of the Johto Trio in both, it could happen but I doubt it. I guess you also consider the fact that there was a Pokemon Ranger in the Manaphy movie... seriously, I would blow steam if that happened. Pichu Overkill is what that would be. It would also make Spiky Eared Pichu less special to me.

Xebelleon January 20th, 2010 3:52 PM

Would be appropriate considering some things known about that third Pokemon Ranger game. When the first was out, that Manaphy Sea Crown movie was drifting around.

Johto Forme Deoxys looks doubtful. Thank Arceus.

Haza January 22nd, 2010 12:46 PM

New PokeBeach Update... this one clearly states the difference between a new pokemon and an existing one, and the movie will feature both. Cant wait now.

Serene Grace January 22nd, 2010 12:49 PM

Quote:

Video game magazine Famitsu has gained early access to this weekend's Tokyo World Hobby Fair and has posted a photo that shows a display advertising upcoming Pokemon movie 13 merchandise. Two question marks are among the products, with one saying "New Plush Pokemon (A) appearing in the movie" and "Plush Diamond and Pearl Pokemon (B) appearing in the movie." Click the thumbnail to the right for a larger image.

This exact same type of setup appeared two years ago for the Shaymin movie, with one of the question marks turning out to be Shaymin Sky Forme. It is outright stated that Pokemon A is a new Pokemon (whether that means brand new Pokemon or Forme, we do not know), though Pokemon B's status is a little ambiguous - it is stated to be a Diamond and Pearl Pokemon without the word "new," but why hide it? Could it be a new Forme of a 4th generation Pokemon or simply an existing Diamond and Pearl Pokemon that they are hiding just so fans don't know all of the products associated with the movie? As fans all we can do is speculate right now, but CoroCoro is set to reveal a "surprising" Pokemon that will be in the 13th movie in their next issue.
Yup, there are more hints at a new type of Pokemon although I'm not sure of the reliablility of the source as of yet.

ash k. January 24th, 2010 7:22 PM

found this but not sure if its the new pokemon, it looks legit




Serene Grace January 25th, 2010 10:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ash k. (Post 5497972)
found this but not sure if its the new pokemon, it looks legit




I think this is just fanart.

JP January 25th, 2010 11:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Serene Grace (Post 5499026)

I think this is just fanart.

Yeah I think so too. They look pretty cool though... except for that last bull one. The last bird evo is awesome.

Charmageddon January 25th, 2010 11:25 AM

I suspect fanart. I wouldn't cry if they did turn out to be the starters though, the fire-type in particular looks very cool.

Serene Grace January 25th, 2010 12:01 PM

I don't think they're starters either, due to the fact that there are two grass types.

Opposite Day January 25th, 2010 12:41 PM

Wow. I really like that bird-evo-line. This better be real D:

Amore January 25th, 2010 1:21 PM

Yeah.

And Serene Grace, i think by the colours that the bull pokemon is water-type.

But yeah, the peacock pokemon looks mint

Condulimassos January 26th, 2010 12:17 AM

I have a theory which might in fact be true.
Firstly,let's take a look at the info we got about Pokemon A.They said that it would be a Pokemon which would surprise us.Which evolution line of Pokemon has the least appearances?Porygon.Yes,ever since that darned episode aired which sent about 650 children into hospitals,Porygon has never seen the light of the day except for a few cameos.Porygon2 never appeared in the show.But now,while the D/P/Pt main season isn't over,Porygon-Z would never appear in the anime.

What do I make of this?The only Pokemon which would truly surprise us is a member of the Porygon family.Now,let's take a look at the other details:
In the movie name,Ruler of Illusion Z,there is a Z.While this could obviously be a new GenV Pokemon,it can also be the Porygon-Z I'm talking about.

Thirdly,the Porygon line is the only cyberworld Pokemon,which would lead to the fact that they can create illusions..But I don't suppose that they're the only Pokemon that can create such things.What I'm saying is that I might very well be wrong so don't quote me on this,as after all Porygon-Z is a Sinnoh Pokemon so it would have no reason to appear in a movie set in past Johto,unless they're also planning to show Porygon2 too and finally end the ban on this evolutionary line.


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