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...What do you mean you're just gonna walk off? I want to put you in your time out chair! Hey! Where are you going? *picks you up and places you back in chair* STAY. ... DAMMIT YOU'RE WALKING OFF AGAIN |
Spankity, Spankity...
The weaker the girl, the tougher it should be, I guess. Then they can marry a cry baby! I want a cry baby for a boyfriend...*drool's* |
Corporal punishment? It depends. If it's within the family, say a parent, then nether boys nor girls should receive it, in my mind that's filed under abuse. Your kid does something wrong? Yell at them, send them to their room, ground 'em, take away their games consoles, that's all fine, but physical violence? That's abuse. Nothing else. You should never hit someone else, even if they have done something wrong.
If it's in the sense of the law, lets say, if a man OR woman kicked a Police officer and resisted arrest? The police using physical force would be okay. I'm sick of this stereotype that girls a weaker than boys and shouldn't be hit. Hah. Screw that. I'm a girl, and I have near-no physical strength and I punched a boy the same ages as me (15) and sent him crying (this was because, he was bullying my ex girlfriend and I for over a year, and in the end I lost my temper, not saying it was the right thing to do though, that's a matter of opinion). Girls may look frail, but, like boys, if provoked, they can be massive *****es or cause a lot of pain. |
... Corporal punishment IS physical violence.
o.o From personal experience I can tell you that being whacked across the face usually makes me afraid of my parents... for like 30 minutes. I knew I was doing something wrong and it was done so I don't do it again, because even though it's not going to leave a permement mark on either my body or my psyche (unlike things I have done to myself), it's still enough to make you think twice about doing it. When they pull this "i'm gonna take it away" bullcrap, I usually find a way to circumnavigate it, making the punishment useless. Is it wrong to get hit on the hand if you're gonna stuff it in a socket? I don't think taking your Xbox is going to stop you from doing that. It's not really abuse unless it's going to hurt them forever. There's a difference between a slap on the behind and pinning someone to the floor with nails. Jesus Christ walks into a hotel... It's pretty clear what the difference between punishment and abuse/torture is :p |
http://www.extension.umn.edu/distribution/familydevelopment/components/7266a.html
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"Many (if not most) of the studies which purport to find corporal punishment to be "beneficial"/effective (Larzelere) studied it as a way to stop or correct misbehavior. And it will; we don't question that." The study I linked didn't study this at all; in fact, it studied how happy children were farther down the line, and showed that there was no statistically relevant reason to conclude that spanking hurts children, and that there is statistically significant evidence that shows that children are indeed happier. "We don't know precisely where to draw the line between "acceptable physical punishment as discipline" and child abuse. NOTE: Robert Larzelere, one of the most frequently quoted supporters of spanking (among researchers), limits "acceptable corporal punishment" to two swats on the seat with an open hand." Any reasonable person knows the difference between punishment and torture. "Some 70% of child abuse cases were attempts to discipline through the use of physical punishment that escalated out of control. (Kadushin & Martin; Straus)" This "fact" is a prime example of manipulating statistics. It doesn't tell, at all, how often physical punishment actually turns into abuse (a number I would imagine to be far, far lower than 70%; potentially less than 0.0001%). It relies on the shock value of such a high number to try and support the hypothesis that "physical punishment leads to abuse a statistically significant amount of the time," but this hypothesis isn't even tested. "Although much corporal punishment is of low intensity and frequency, its range is wide and the most severe end is clearly abusive. A major problem, as noted above, is that one cannot easily specify where "appropriate" punishment fades into abuse. It is because of this difficulty of "drawing the line", that we have chosen to argue for NO hitting of children." So we can't leave the decision up to reasonable people? If they can't be trusted with knowing the difference between proper punishment and torture, how in the world do you expect them to raise a child at all? The paper does a good enough job of refuting (or not supporting) its own points for "short and medium-range consequences." The misuse of the (very few) statistics provided is obvious, but I'll spell them out anyway. "72% of Goodhue county parents admitted that their children, at least sometimes, repeated the behavior for which they were spanked. More striking, 34% indicated this happens half the time or more." This fails to take into account the recurrence rate for parents who do not spank their children, which could very well be higher. "The basic reason for this, according to research, is that children of non-spanking parents tend to control their behavior on the basis of what is right or wrong; spanked children control their behavior out of fear—to avoid being hit. Instead of learning to differentiate between right and wrong, they learn to differentiate only what does and doesn't result in a spanking." Research doesn't provide reasons, it provides facts. If this study did anything more than comment on the data and tell whether it rejected or failed to reject the null hypothesis (and perhaps offer a SUGGESTION as to why the data turned out the way it did), then the study itself is fundamentally biased. "Pediatrician Dr. J. Donald Walcher points out that, in his experience, there is little effectiveness in trying to make any explanation at the onset of a disciplinary action." I don't know about his experience, but I know about my experience. I was always aware why I was receiving punishment. Also, it seems to me this is a (flawed) argument against punishment in general. "It is inconsistent (and confusing) to tell a child that inflicting pain and being violent is inappropriate and then to inflict pain to modify that child's behavior. How can a child possibly be sensitive to subtle nuances such as that inflicting pain is sometimes justified but sometimes not?" This is what you're trying to teach the child! You're trying to teach them what actions are appropriate and what actions are not! It is up to the parent to get the child to understand why violence is tolerable in one situation (American forces in World War II, for example), whereas another situation is intolerable (the German forces in World War II). "Perhaps the most frequent and powerful relationship demonstrated by research is that between physical punishment and aggressive acting-out of the child—both now as a child in relations with sibs, peers, parents, and others . . . and later as an adult in all their relations (but especially with spouse and children)." If it's so frequent, then why can't the author find a single citation of this relationship? "Several research studies have found that 40-50 percent of people, when asked how they felt when they were spanked, reported that they "hated the parent."" I hated my parents when they were spanking me, too. You'd be crazy not to. You get over it and learn not to repeat your actions. Nowhere is there a reference that says that prolonged resentment is an effect, and thus the next two statements he makes are invalid. "Research by Straus and many others has shown relationships between spanking and many undesirable outcomes" And yet the study I linked contradicts this "fact," despite the author not setting out to prove or disprove a hypothesis related to it (she merely commented on a trend in the data). Given Straus' data set and the mistakes that I was able to point out, I'd open up the possibility that his study was poorly conducted, potentially due to bias on his part. "Spanking as a sole or major mode of discipline throughout childhood makes it more difficult for parents to influence children later on, especially in adolescence, when physical force is no longer possible." This is not the reason why spanking is not recommended past a certain age; it is because of the earlier-cited "resentment" (which was never properly explained, and only vaguely referenced as a way to support a ridiculous theory). Children older than 10 resent spanking and corporal punishment for a number of reasons; I personally felt that I was "too old" for spankings, and that it would be silly for my parents to spank me once I understood the difference between what was appropriate and inappropriate. Other forms of punishment for when I willfully screwd up still made sense, and were applied appropriately. The statements I didn't address lacked any sourcing whatsoever and weren't worth my time to address. |
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I like how how physically disciplined children "are", and unspanked children "tend to be". Just a detail. I'm all for the occasional swat, and if I have something to say (that 2cows hasn't already said), I'll say it...
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A degree of punishment shouldn't be determined by your sex. In most cases, however, girls are less likely to receive any kind of corporal punishment than boys, especially in the home. That's just the way it is for most families, that I've come to know. I think that corporal punishment at home is the only form of corporal punishment that should be tolerable (apart from the death penalty, in the judicial system), but to a minimum and only when necessary. Most people would reply stating that it "isn't" necessary, but for some children, its the only method of punishment that they will respond and learn from. In truth it depends on the child and how they cope with different forms of punishment.
For myself, it requires a simple word to discipline me (though since I've grown older and rather stubborn, that's not the case anymore). For my brothers, it requires a belt or a slap. Especially for my youngest brother, who just doesn't know when to shut up and do what he's told. He responds negatively to someone telling him what to do as well as getting yelled at for not doing what he's told. The only way you can get him to do something is if you use force. Taking away things from children only makes matters worse in situations. I don't think its right to get into a true physical confrontation with your child, however, over disciplining them. I've already been in that situation with my father and, although it really helped situate a lot of opinions and indifference with each other (mainly on his part), I'd much rather talk though something like that with my parent, or anyone for that matter. I've only been in two physical confrontations with my father, though, so... In both situations, however, it wasn't a physical confrontation that was made from discipline but rather tension, and a lot of angry words being shouted from both ends of the confrontation. Anyway, I'm drifting from the topic. My point: your sex should not determine, despite how much it already does, the punishment you deserve from a crime or mistake you committed, but physicality should be a last resort in any situation (in a home setting). Any other form of corporate punishment, especially in schools, should be illegal. |
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If one is to accurately determine the effectiveness of Corporal punishment, one must create a study that acknowledges the difference between consistent and inconsistent punishments. As I said, adults are total pussies these days. |
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