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JTrainer February 7th, 2010 4:20 PM

Is Gardevoir still a good pokemon?
 
In your opinion, do you think Gardevoir is a good pokemon to use?

I ask this because recently, she fell from UU to NU. I know that is based on usage, not power, but the reason for the drop in usage baffles me. Gardevoir is a popular pokemon, and is actually really good when used right, so I'm confused as to why people don't use her as much anymore.

But, regardless, do you think Gardevoir is still a good pokemon to use, or do you think she should just be forgotten?

Personally, I think Gardevoir is still a very good pokemon. She is my all-time favorite and a great part of my team. To me, its not how often a pokemon is used that determines its power, but rather if that pokemon is able to hold its own in battle.

TrinityLimit February 7th, 2010 4:24 PM

i used gardevior for my ruby version. i got through the 7th gym easily with her. really good special attack. i used about 3 calm minds and 1HKO'd solrock and lunatone with 2 shadow balls. since mine had trace, i had a huge advantage in that gym, considering tate and liza's use of earthquake
overall, gardevior has pretty good stats and should be used more in battles.

Spikey-Eared Pichu February 7th, 2010 4:31 PM

When I first got Sapphire I caught a Ralts and evolved it into Gardevoir completely unaware of the outcome (had no idea Gardevoir exsisted.) I raised it to be about Lv.77 in Sapphire, falling in thrid only to my Lv.100 Kyogre an my Lv.85 Blaziken. Personally, I think Gardevoir is an excellent Pokemon to have, and is Espeon wasn't my first choice Psychic-Type, I'd definitly use Gradevoir more often.

Virtual Chatot February 7th, 2010 4:34 PM

I caught my Ralts in Ruby back in 2004, I EV trained mine in Emerald, and it is a powerhouse in my Diamond version.

Weird, I've had my Gardevoir for six years D:

BHwolfgang February 7th, 2010 4:52 PM

Odd, I really like Gardevoir, appearance and battle wise. The reason why I never used her much was because I have Pokemons such as Alakazam, Metagross, Porygon-Z, Slowking, and Brozong.

Her movesets is really good; one could get Psychic three levels after evolving her. Plus, her base special atk. stats are particularly high.

Hm, maybe it's just a phase? Gardevoir will probably return to the UU by next week or month.

Grifstar February 7th, 2010 5:02 PM

I haven't used a Gardevoir since the generation shift, so I don't really know. Plus the one I had in Sapphire wasn't really the best, horrible nature(because I didn't know what the natures were at the time and already had her at a high level when I did) and probably just bad stats in general. She was still part of my main team and all, but definitely wasn't my strongest. But then if I recall the E4 in RSE was not very friendly to psychics anyway (what was it, a ghost and dark trainer back to back? x-x)

And in DP I was more hyped about Gallade simply because it was new and "omg a melee psychic?" nevermind Medicham... or Metagross. Gardevoir was just kinda pushed to the side.

But people still use them quite a bit from what I hear, so they're still good.

Neutral12 February 7th, 2010 5:08 PM

Ever since Gallade came out I like him far better then Gardevoir.

JeTz February 7th, 2010 6:35 PM

Gardevoir was a good Pokemon and still a good Pokemon but because of Gallade out, most people just wanted because it was cool-looking. IMO, Gardevoir has some nice movepool and a nice Sp.Atk stat.

Haza February 7th, 2010 6:44 PM

You remind me of myself with this question. But in the competitive battling world, a Pokemons tier can change when people figure out more common counters and such, and Gardevoir is now a VERY easy pokemon to counter when in UU. I felt the same way about a few Pokemon I used to use.

Kendall February 7th, 2010 9:34 PM

Are you kidding me? Of course Gardevoir is still good! I've used her in every game since Sapphire. Usually use her for a mix of support and special attack. Helped me turn the tide in quite a few battles. Also, I usually don't go by tiers, I just use my favorites (no ubers though).

rocky505 February 7th, 2010 9:46 PM

Of course Gardevoir is still good I know she's outclassed by Azelf and a few other psychics but at least she's better than some aswell.

Luck February 7th, 2010 9:51 PM

It would be much better if it was a bit faster, and if Ralts didn't have a single digit encounter rate.
But yeah, it's pretty awesome as a special attacker otherwise.

Ninja Caterpie February 7th, 2010 10:28 PM

I daresay this belongs in Strategy and Movesets.

In a competitive sense, no, Gardevoir's pretty bad in the DPPt/HGSS metagame.

HOWEVER, in-game and in an overall sense, Gardevoir is awesome.

Rapide February 7th, 2010 11:01 PM

I wonder why Gardevoir is in the UU/NU tiers. Gardevoir should be used more in battling because of its high special attack and special defense. When I used to competitive battle, Gardevoir was my Tank and my Sweeper. I got so many wins with it, but when I started using another Pokemon instead, my wins got less frequent. That only shows the power of Gardevoir right there.

Luck February 7th, 2010 11:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TwineOxygen (Post 5533308)
I wonder why Gardevoir is in the UU/NU tiers. Gardevoir should be used more in battling because of its high special attack and special defense. When I used to competitive battle, Gardevoir was my Tank and my Sweeper. I got so many wins with it, but when I started using another Pokemon instead, my wins got less frequent. That only shows the power of Gardevoir right there.

It's UU/NU because it only worked as a special pokemon. The speed was mediocre at best, the attack and defense was poor, and the HP wasn't much better. Diversity and rockin' special stats don't matter if you get OHKO'd by every physical sweeper around(and since both Weavile and Tyranitar are in OU, it won't be commonplace to find a gardevoir there.) If it's a trace Gardevoir, you could get switch in time for a slaking, which could do unsurprisingly well against it.

It's still awesome ingame, but outside is another story.

Lastly, correlation≠causation. But this is all what it seems like to me.

Niprop February 7th, 2010 11:57 PM

I'd say so. Her main ability, Trace is still almost exclusive (with the other user being Porygon-Z's own counterpart, Porygon2) to just herself, and while she's by no means bulky, she still has more upper body strength then that frail old Alakazam or tiny little Azelf. Basically, she's a support, and of the subclasses, she works best as a healer/screener. In the words of a distant game, letting your healer take hits is a BAD IDEA, but so long as you keep her out of trouble (she can usually take glancing non-super effective blows), Gardevoir can make a great supporter, especially in real battling, where Wish Blissey is rarer then Arceus. She also works quite fine with Gallade, though Porygon2 might give better coverage to the knight.

Takoto February 8th, 2010 12:24 AM

I use Ralts/Kirlia/Gardevoir every time I start a game in R/S/E, and I'm thinking of training up a Gardevoir in Platinum... So, I'd still use it even though it's NU... Then again, I don't give a damn about all this NU, UU, OU business.

DonRoyale February 8th, 2010 7:01 AM

It's NU because, like Espeon, it's only popular with people who don't realize ~90% of Psychic-types have the same (or better) movepools with superior stats.

Plus, Gallade is now the better of the two evolutions.

The Red Chain February 8th, 2010 7:50 AM

I think the reason Gardevoir is NU is because it can't even take a Pursuit from your basic lead dark types like Weavile.
Even behind a Reflect Gardevoir can just barely hang on.
HP would normally be the saving grace for Pokemon with low defenses and/or special defenses but Gardevoir only has 68 base HP.
Not good at all..

The difference between Gallade and Gardevoir is that Gallade is part Fighting while Gardevoir is only Psychic type.
The Fighting part of Gallade neutralizes Dark damage [and Bug] so it can take Pursuits and so on better than Gardevoir can.
Gardevoir is a good Pokemon in game and all but in the metagame it's highly outclassed by leads such as Uxie, Bronzong, Azelf, Alakazam ect.


Dunsparce February 8th, 2010 7:55 AM

To be fair, I beat my HeartGold using a Male Combee.

It's really doesn't matter how good a Pokemon does ingame. It's TRUE potential is only realized when fighting against another player in competitive battling.

Gardevoir sucks. There, I said it. It's easy to counter, and it's Speed is a let down compared to the likes of Alakazam and Azelf. Gardevoir is best suited to more defensive purposes, but still falls flat of being amazing even there(Crap HP and whatnot). Plus there are many other Psychic types that can do everything Gardevoir is capable of doing, only better.

Dark Azelf February 8th, 2010 8:15 AM

The reason why Gardevoir has dropped so much can be put into a small nut shell.
  • Scizor is #1 in usage. This alone is terrible for ANY psychic type (heck it was one of the main reasons Cress AND Zam went down to UU). This basically gives Gardevoir the choice of; Stay in and take a U-Turn from 591 attack (Choice Band) or switch out and get Pursuited.
  • Tyranitar is #2 in usage. This guy has an even MORE powerful Pursuit than Scizor and if you stay in on this guy good luck taking a Choice Band Crunch. Basically both these guys put Gardy between a rock and a hard place.
  • Yeah sure Gardy has W-o-W/Reflect to try and stop Pursuit, but funnily they still OHKO's it even with the hit cushioned if it switches out. Even a burned CB Pursuit does 46.5% - 55.3% to Gardevoir if it stays in i.e it still 2hko's it lol
  • Its outclassed as a sweeper by Azelf, Latias, Starmie, Zam psychic wise and goodness knows what else in the tiers above it and as a supporter by Latias.
  • Wish is really its only saving grace and is arguably done much better by bulkier pokemon in the tiers above it. Chansey, Umbreon in UU and Latias, Bliss, Vappy in OU. Trace too i guess but its very situational.
Tl;dr gardy is ok but Pursuit bait and is just outclassed at every niche it tries to fill. Use it in NU if you want to make the best of its abilities.

Valk February 8th, 2010 4:55 PM

Gardevoir is on my team and is second only to my lvl 100 Shiny Charizard. I got as a starter which is some extreme luck.

Gardevoir is basically my fail safe to any gym. Its just straight up beasting.

Unforgettable February 9th, 2010 2:19 AM

To me, it's all about how you raise the Pokemon, not what Pokemon it is that makes it good. But, seeing as I like psychic Pokemon a lot, I said yes, it is still a good Pokemon.

lavenderbolt February 9th, 2010 4:56 AM

no, i never like gardevoir, mainly because i like speed, quick battle which gardevoir usually can not do. further more, gardevoir look like a ballroom female dancer even male exist, they make me think of a male jynx

Medli February 9th, 2010 8:18 PM

I personally think that Gardevoir is awesome. I have one in my Ruby file right now. She's really good in-game, and that's where she probably gets more use. It's great having a boss Psychic type early in the game that doesn't Teleport away/have to be traded away for those who can't for whatever reason/etc. I can see why she's outclassed by others in the metagame, though. And the fact that she doesn't do well against Pokemon like Weavile and Scizor with Pursuit. So, it all depends on what you want to play.

I don't do the metagame, so I'm fine with using Gardevoir and using my favorites even if they "suck" in most peoples' opinions. If I did play competitively, though, and actually tried, I probably would steer away from her as well. But, meh. I'm fine with playing favorites in-game for now.

Ayselipera February 10th, 2010 12:09 PM

I think Gardevoir is a great pokemon, but there are a few psychic types that outbeat it. That's probably the reason why is isn't as popular anymore in competitive battling. Anyways as others have said Gardevoir is still a great in game pokemon. Once I discovered Gardevoir on Sapphire I started using it all the time.

JTrainer February 18th, 2010 9:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dunsparce (Post 5533845)
To be fair, I beat my HeartGold using a Male Combee.

It's really doesn't matter how good a Pokemon does ingame. It's TRUE potential is only realized when fighting against another player in competitive battling.

Gardevoir sucks. There, I said it. It's easy to counter, and it's Speed is a let down compared to the likes of Alakazam and Azelf. Gardevoir is best suited to more defensive purposes, but still falls flat of being amazing even there(Crap HP and whatnot). Plus there are many other Psychic types that can do everything Gardevoir is capable of doing, only better.


Gardevoir sucks?! You will rue the day you said that! Gardevoir is awesome! The guys who make the tier list are just idiots for not realizing this.

My Gardevoir for instance, with the help of her teammates, she OHKOs Gengar, and has won me many battles, both in-game and over wi-fi.

.Gamer February 18th, 2010 10:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dunsparce (Post 5533845)
To be fair, I beat my HeartGold using a Male Combee.

It's really doesn't matter how good a Pokemon does ingame. It's TRUE potential is only realized when fighting against another player in competitive battling.

Gardevoir sucks. There, I said it. It's easy to counter, and it's Speed is a let down compared to the likes of Alakazam and Azelf. Gardevoir is best suited to more defensive purposes, but still falls flat of being amazing even there(Crap HP and whatnot). Plus there are many other Psychic types that can do everything Gardevoir is capable of doing, only better.


Says it all, in game ANYTHING works, I've beat a game with a Butterfree before so yeah.

Gardevior is ok, but in niche situations, like switching into Flareon/Poliwrath and using their own Flash Fire/Water Absorb abilities against them. Synchronize is okay too, but Gardy is so frail, it usually won't survive long enough to use them. Its Dual Screen ability is nice but its outclassed by every pokemon that isn't pure Psychic type (a.k.a. pursuit bait), and outclassed by several bulkier/faster/stronger pure Psychich types. It has its uses, but usually, they aren't overwhelmingly useful and won't make a game changing impact.

The people who make the tiering list make it based on usage. Nothing is saying "no moar NU 'mons in teh OU teer dey are too bad oh noes111!!11" you can use any pokemon from a lower tier in a higher tier, but not vice versa.

If you like it by all means use it, just make sure it has its counters in check and such. I just wouldn't reccomend it as a "go to guy" in any competative battle.

Ninja Caterpie February 18th, 2010 11:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JTrainer (Post 5564186)
Gardevoir sucks?! You will rue the day you said that! Gardevoir is awesome! The guys who make the tier list are just idiots for not realizing this.

My Gardevoir for instance, with the help of her teammates, she OHKOs Gengar, and has won me many battles, both in-game and over wi-fi.

OHKOing Gengar doesn't mean anything when Gengar outspeeds you and OHKOs you first with a Shadow Ball.

Competitively, Gardevoir sucks. It is an awesome Pokemon, yes, but it doesn't work so well in competitive battling in this overly offensive HGSS metagame.

.Gamer February 19th, 2010 8:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ninja Caterpie (Post 5564296)
OHKOing Gengar doesn't mean anything when Gengar outspeeds you and OHKOs you first with a Shadow Ball.

Competitively, Gardevoir sucks. It is an awesome Pokemon, yes, but it doesn't work so well in competitive battling in this overly offensive HGSS metagame.

What overly offensive metagame? Stall and semi-stall is being used more and more and completely over powers offensive teams.

GlitchCity February 20th, 2010 7:44 PM

Gardevoir is one of the most beautiful pokemon in the pokemon world. And it's still useful in battle (espically in emerald). Im also glad that they made a male counterpart of it because a male gardevoir is kinda creepy.

off topic: there is a need for a male counterpart of lopunny lol

Ninja Caterpie February 20th, 2010 10:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gamer691 (Post 5565040)


What overly offensive metagame? Stall and semi-stall is being used more and more and completely over powers offensive teams.

Shhhh...aren't you on my side?!

Eirikir February 21st, 2010 9:52 AM

Its her Speed, that is the real issue. What do you want to use, a Gardevior with Thunderbolt, or and Alakazam that can out run everything?


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