The PokéCommunity Forums

The PokéCommunity Forums (https://www.pokecommunity.com/index.php)
-   Art Studio (https://www.pokecommunity.com/forumdisplay.php?f=21)
-   -   Worah Region Gym Leaders 8D (https://www.pokecommunity.com/showthread.php?t=208026)

Getsumei February 11th, 2010 5:06 PM

Worah Region Gym Leaders 8D
 
Update: I've started on the next batch of leaders, who can be found further down ^^
Update: Added Flying, Bug, Psychic and Rock/Ground Leaders and hereby proclaim Kyril my personal fave (He's adorable XP)

Hi guys! I'm working on a Pokémon RP at the moment, and besides doing all the technical stuff, writing HTML pages(It'll be based on it's own forum) and so on and so forth, I've been doing some headshots(and a few possible badges) of my Gym Leaders... Mostly for fun, but it'll also help people get a feel of what they look like, and possibly a bit of their personality as well XD

There's gonna be 16 in total: One for each Elemental type, except Ground, which has been put together with Rock. I'll be putting the leaders up as I make them ^^ Feel free to come with ideas too 8D

Normal Type Leader: Prof. Alexis "The Analyst"
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b343/Neko_Kaw/VSAlexis.png
~Purity Badge:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b343/Neko_Kaw/Purity-Badge.png
Poison Type Leader: Bosco "The Businessman"
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b343/Neko_Kaw/VSBosco-1.png
~Corruption Badge[Not made yet]

Steel Type Leader: Yuri "The Professor"
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b343/Neko_Kaw/VSYuri.png
~ Dilligence Badge[Not made yet]

Fire Type Leader: Blaze "The Flagrant Youth"
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b343/Neko_Kaw/VSBlaze.png
~Gluttony Badge[Not made yet]

Ghost Type Leader: Edward "The Hermit"
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b343/Neko_Kaw/VSEdward.png
~Envy Badge
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b343/Neko_Kaw/Envy-Badge-1.png
Dark Type Leader: Kaito "The Shadowy Gentleman"
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b343/Neko_Kaw/VSKaito.png
~Greed Badge
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b343/Neko_Kaw/Greed-Badge.png
Fighting Type Leader: Rei "The Brute"
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b343/Neko_Kaw/VSRei.png
~Wrath Badge[Not made yet]

Dragon Type Badge: Shinzoku "The Calm Fighter"
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b343/Neko_Kaw/VShinzoku.png
~Pride Badge[Not made yet]

Water Type Trainer: Dylan "The Dreaming Philosopher"
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b343/Neko_Kaw/VSDylan-1.png
~Charity Badge[Not made yet]

Hope you like~

Also please note that the badges are just rough drafts and is subject to change.

NikoBelic999 February 11th, 2010 5:18 PM

They are so good!
 
They are really, really good!! Hope you do more!

Negative-Zero February 11th, 2010 6:00 PM

they are good, but i notices that the greed and envy badges are almost the same thing.

BlankPoints February 11th, 2010 6:02 PM

these mugshots of the Gym leaders are awesome 7/5 :)

Getsumei February 11th, 2010 6:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Negative-Zero (Post 5543479)
they are good, but i notices that the greed and envy badges are almost the same thing.

Yeah, I know... Envy was the first one I made, and then when I had made Greed, I felt it needed a base, sorta like what the Envy badge has, and due to lack of creativity at the time, it became the same kind of base as the Envy one XD Though I have thought of removing the Envy's base altogether

EDIT: Removed the base from the Envy badge, hope it helps differentiate them... It's just too bad that both Greed and Envy is assosiated with the color Green XD

Tropical Sunlight February 12th, 2010 5:54 AM

Yuri reminds me of Pryce too much.
Maybe you should do something about his clothes...?

Getsumei February 12th, 2010 10:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by H2O Turquoise (Post 5544426)
Yuri reminds me of Pryce too much.
Maybe you should do something about his clothes...?

Trust me, I've thought of that and tried, but I can't seem to find anything that works... Any ideas, maybe? XP

.Tactic. February 12th, 2010 11:05 AM

Wait a minute, are these just edits of the Johto Gym Leaders?
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b343/Neko_Kaw/VSOldguyV2.pngPryce
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b343/Neko_Kaw/VSBlaze.pngLance
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b343/Neko_Kaw/VSEdward.pngFalkner
And also from Kanto:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b343/Neko_Kaw/VSBosco.png
.
Please. Try and scratch something? anything at all.

Weatherman, Kiyoshi February 12th, 2010 12:00 PM

Some of these are a bit to close to thier bases, as stated above.
You can identify Pryce's clothes, but the face is VERY well edited.

The biggest offender of such is Shinzoku, who is just bruno with some facial hair.
(he looks pretty good with facial hair, I must say)

You have UNIVERSE-SIZED potential to be a great spriter, so keep up the work, practice practice practice practice, and always be original~

Getsumei February 12th, 2010 2:38 PM

I know some of them are ALOT like their originals, but I really try to come up with some new stuff for all of them, such as giving Surge a suit(man that took a long time >_>), and turn Aaron into a woman(Rei), but I'm completely new to this, so I'm starting slow, but trust me, I really try ^^;; I actually meant to appologize in the first post about how some of them was just a tad too obvious, but I was just never able to make something that worked.

And to my "defense", Kiyoshi: I DID recolor his hair ;P

And Paranoid: Hey, I've scratched some of their accesories... Such as Surge's suit, Blaze's smile and mask(though that one was heavily inspired by Will), Rei's ponytail, glove and breasts, as well as the glasses on Alexis and my friend's dedicated sprite, Shinzoku's scar(yeah, big deal, huh XP), Edwards face(in order to get the facial expression I wanted, I basically had to remove everything from his face and redo it) and finally Yuri's glasses, mustache and the top of his head XD

I know it's not anything, but as said, I'm starting with details and then working up. I hope to be able to make something 100% scratched at some point, but yeah, I'm a beginner, plus I'm actually color blind, so right now, even making small things out of little colored cubes is hard ^^;;

OH! I also scratched my badges! 8O

EDIT: I got an idea and editted Yuri to make him more unique. I think it went well myself, especially because I feel his mathematician side shows more now ^^

Also, if anyone have any ideas on how I could improve each leader more, and make them more unique, I'd love to hear them XD Also feel free to come with ideas for the remaining Leaders 83

EDIT 2: I've just finished a minor change on Bosco... remade his hand. Nothing much, but it's there!

Getsumei February 13th, 2010 4:45 PM

Since the limit of pictures in a post is 20 or so(I read it somewhere XD), and I'll get very close to that as I finish up the badges for the first batch of Leaders, I'm gonna post the next batch here instead ^^ Starting with:

Ice Type Leader: Sasha "The Tomboy"
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b343/Neko_Kaw/VSSasha.png
~Temperance Badge [Not made yet]

Flying Type Leader: Sheena "The Ferocious Sky Pirate"
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b343/Neko_Kaw/VSSheena.png
~Chastity Badge[Not made yet]

~Bug Type Leader: Sgt. Stone "The Veteran"
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b343/Neko_Kaw/VSStone.png
~Humility Badge[Not made yet]

Psychic Type Leader: Kyril "The Street-wise Prodigy"
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b343/Neko_Kaw/VSKyril.png
~Patience Badge[Not made yet]

Rock/Ground Type Leader: Chloe "The Stubborn Beauty"
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b343/Neko_Kaw/VSChloe.png
~Sloth Badge[Not made yet]

Electric Type Leader: Sheila "The Prima Donna"
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b343/Neko_Kaw/VSSheila.png
~Lust Badge[Not made yet]

Grass Type Leader: Rayen "The Peaceful Sage"
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b343/Neko_Kaw/VSRayen.png
~Kindness Badge[Not made yet]


Also added Leader Titles for all my leaders ^^

Vannah☆ February 15th, 2010 4:38 PM

My favorite is Edward the Hermit. @[email protected]

Getsumei February 15th, 2010 5:11 PM

Character wise, he's my fave as well, though Sasha probably takes the cake as my ultimate favorite... I'm just so proud of that skiing gear XD

EDIT: Dylan, the character based on my friend, hs now become the Water Gym leader! 8D

Omega Sableye February 16th, 2010 1:19 PM

these are pretty good :)

although, it is rather obvious that these are edits and who you edited

Getsumei February 16th, 2010 1:55 PM

I never claimed they weren't edits. And some ARE also mixes XP But as mentioned, I really just do this to try and train and to have some pictures of the Leaders for my RP. Normally I'd have drawn it by hand, but I have no scanner at the moment, and I wanted to try something new as well ^^

EDIT: All Leaders have been posted! YATTA~! Lets parteh! XD

Anyway, if anyone have some ideas on things that could be improved, I'd still love to hear them ^^

Giratina ♀ February 17th, 2010 9:11 AM

Yo. I'll be putting my comments on everything in red.
Quote:

Originally Posted by Getsumei (Post 5543289)

Normal Type Leader: Prof. Alexis "The Analyst"
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b343/Neko_Kaw/VSAlexis.png
Okay. So this is pretty obviously based off of Athena (no way I'm using her silly English name), right down to the outfit. It really looks like all you've done is recoloring it, and for bigger sprites like this, that's not a good idea. Perhaps try to change their hairstyle entirely, or put different patterns on their clothes.
~Purity Badge:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b343/Neko_Kaw/Purity-Badge.png
Poison Type Leader: Bosco "The Businessman"
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b343/Neko_Kaw/VSBosco-1.png
Again, I'm guessing this was some sort of Brock-Lieutenant Surge combination. Nice job on the editing, but again, change the hair more so as not to make it so obvious.
~Corruption Badge[Not made yet]


Steel Type Leader: Yuri "The Professor"
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b343/Neko_Kaw/VSYuri.png
Pryce, maybe a bit of Lucian thrown in with the arm? Anyway, the crosshatching shouldn't be perfectly up-and-down, but put at a slight angle.
~ Dilligence Badge[Not made yet]

Fire Type Leader: Blaze "The Flagrant Youth"
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b343/Neko_Kaw/VSBlaze.png
...Are you serious? You didn't really bother to change Lance's hairdo or hair color, not even to a red instead of a pink, and the edges of the cape are still black when they should be a dark yellow or something. And then slapping a Will mask on it... I'm not a fan of this.
Ghost Type Leader: Edward "The Hermit"
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b343/Neko_Kaw/VSEdward.png
This, this I like. You've managed to make Falkner disturbing and imposing instead of flat-out imposing, and the shadows around the face were very well done. Props on that. It doesn't look like you slacked on the recoloring or scratching, either. Good job.
Dark Type Leader: Kaito "The Shadowy Gentleman"
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b343/Neko_Kaw/VSKaito.png
~Greed Badge
Again, not much to say except okay, it's a combination of Blue and Giovanni. There is some uneven pixel work near the neck.
Fighting Type Leader: Rei "The Brute"
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b343/Neko_Kaw/VSRei.png
This is likely an Aaron edit, and at least you tried to scratch him into a female form. However, the hair shouldn't spike out like that but ought to flow behind her more - and if that's how it's supposed to be, make it flow a little more natually. The chest area was a good attempt, but they should start closer to where the arm meets the shoulder.

Dragon Type Badge: Shinzoku "The Calm Fighter"
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b343/Neko_Kaw/VShinzoku.png
Yeah. It's Bruno. Simple recolor with some small, easy scratching.
Water Type Trainer: Dylan "The Dreaming Philosopher"
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b343/Neko_Kaw/VSDylan-1.png
Blend of Lucian and Morty. It's obvious the blue scarf-thing over his shoulder was scratched because A: there's dithering where there should be clear lines and B: the outline is all black. Same with the hair. Did you notice on the small part of his scarf showing the light, the outline is dark blue and not black? Do that with your sprites too, in order to make it more natural.

All in all, you made a good attempt. I love the idea of the Seven Deadly Sins/Seven Sacred Virtues as Gym Badges (out of my own fake Leaders, I know who would get Wrath ;D). But as with most Trainer mugshots, it was easy to pick out who was based off of who. Study some of the original mug-shots closer, and pay particular attention to the lineart. Zoom in on them in a program if you must. But understand that the lineart isn't all black, and does turn darker versions of its parallel color in direct light, like so:

http://i49.*.com/bg8u38.png

Now, the sprite itself is old, but it (and the character, Sabrina) are mine. No touching! D:<

Anyway, the outfit was a pretty bad example because of the fact it's very dark, but the hair is a good example. Did you notice how Sabby's hair outlines were either brown or gray everywhere they came in direct contact with the light source (i.e., everywhere except directly under her)? It makes the lines look more natural.

Oh, wait, there's more.



Quote:

Ice Type Leader: Sasha "The Tomboy"
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b343/Neko_Kaw/VSSasha.png
I see a lot of Gardenia in here. Don't use the cross-pixel methid to shade so much; since the area is bigger, thick lines should do just as well.

Flying Type Leader: Sheena "The Ferocious Sky Pirate"
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b343/Neko_Kaw/VSSheena.png
Ah, now here's our Sabrina. Good editing with the bandanna and gloves again, but the shirt tipped me off (I always hated Sabrina's new shirt...). Anyway, like I said before, color your lines. But since hair is especially susceptible to light, do it there more than on clothing.

~Bug Type Leader: Sgt. Stone "The Veteran"
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b343/Neko_Kaw/VSStone.png
...Okay, so Chuck. I see some Lieutenant Surge again... maybe just Chuck. Not much else to say.

Psychic Type Leader: Kyril "The Street-wise Prodigy"
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b343/Neko_Kaw/VSKyril.png
Oho, nice Kotone! I like her too. Though you could have changed the outfit again, I quite like the rest of her attire.

Rock/Ground Type Leader: Chloe "The Stubborn Beauty"
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b343/Neko_Kaw/VSChloe.png
Erika and Misty blend, I think. Anyway, the lines should be smoothed out on her haircut, but otherwise okay.

Electric Type Leader: Sheila "The Prima Donna"
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b343/Neko_Kaw/VSSheila.png
Argenta. The sunglasses tipped me off. I'm a little iffy about the earrings, though; for one thing, they're gold, right? Why aren't they shining spectacularly as gold loves so much to do? And the earring should be hidden behind that lock of hair framing her face closer to us; since the earring is right next to the ear, and the hair goes out a little, it should be in front.

Grass Type Leader: Rayen "The Peaceful Sage"
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b343/Neko_Kaw/VSRayen.png
Brock with some Morty thrown in. Hmm... he doesn't look very sage-like to me, but that's just me. Not much but a recolor and some copy-and-paste action here.
Edward remains my favorite. <3 And that's not because he strikes so close to home with my own hermit-y character, Álmos, either.

Getsumei February 17th, 2010 10:59 AM

Thanks for your input! I'll try and see what I can do to improve them with that ^^

But first, counter comments XP:

Bosco: It's not a mix... It's all Surge, just with added beard, suit and a remade hand

Blaze: This was made kinda to fit a friends wishes XD I made the mask myself, so it's not "completely" Will XP

Edward: Thanks! I'm very proud of him myself ^^ He's simple, but I feel he really has personality

Rei: She was the first one I made actually, so I'm not surprised you see problems ^^;; But the breasts actually DO start where they should be, but I guess it's hard to see... I'll see what I can do ^^

Shinzoku: Yes... I'm not really proud of this one, but I just can't seem to think of anything to do to him D8 I'm sorry!

Dylan: Only the end of the scarf is scratched really... So the errors you point out should be directed mostly at whoever sprited the original Morty XP But I'll take a look at it ^^

Sasha: But, but... I worked so hard on skiing gear D8 XP But yeah, I just found that the cross shading looked better personally

Sheena: Same as above, though with an added comment on the hair... I did color out my lines O_o...

Sgt. Stone: The shirt was inspired by Surge... That's just about it. Other then that it's chucks with recolored beard and a added helmet.

Kyril: It may be hard to see, especially since I used a girl base, but Kyril IS a boy XP

Chloe: There's no Misty... There's however some Erika, Whitney and Kotone. I take it as a victory that you couldn't see that XP

Sheila: I wasn't really sure how to make it sparkle. Also... That it's in front of the hair, is, again, the original spriters mistake, but I'll see if I can fix it ^^

Rayen: You don't need to look something to be something! ... But yeah... This was made after an all nighter at 8 in the morning... I got a little... Lazy XP


And then a counter comment to your note about the outlines: I'm colorblind, so in many cases it's difficult for me to find the right outline ^^;; but well... I'll see what I can do ^^ And thanks again

Also, don't worry about that character of yours XP can't use it for anything, so it's safe

Giratina ♀ February 17th, 2010 11:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Getsumei (Post 5560099)
Blaze: This was made kinda to fit a friends wishes XD I made the mask myself, so it's not "completely" Will XP
Ahh. I mean no offense to your friend, but that explains the random thrown-togetherness that none of your other characters have...


Edward: Thanks! I'm very proud of him myself ^^ He's simple, but I feel he really has personality
I agree. I can see it just in the mugshot. <3 Props again!


Shinzoku: Yes... I'm not really proud of this one, but I just can't seem to think of anything to do to him D8 I'm sorry!
Tattoos. Lots and lots of tattoos.


Dylan: Only the end of the scarf is scratched really... So the errors you point out should be directed mostly at whoever sprited the original Morty XP But I'll take a look at it ^^
All errors were pointed at the scratched part of the scarf. Sorry if I didn't elaborate on that enough.

Sasha: But, but... I worked so hard on skiing gear D8 XP But yeah, I just found that the cross shading looked better personally
And the ski gear looked good. |3


Sheena: Same as above, though with an added comment on the hair... I did color out my lines O_o...
Yes, on the folds of the bandanna. But the same rule applies to the outer lines. For example, her hair is a black outline instead of, say, a dark auburn or brown.

Sgt. Stone: The shirt was inspired by Surge... That's just about it. Other then that it's chucks with recolored beard and a added helmet. Yeah, the Surge-y shirt was where I saw him.

Kyril: It may be hard to see, especially since I used a girl base, but Kyril IS a boy XP
...Aw, man! XD You may want to make his features less rounded, then, assuming he's not about ten years old.

Chloe: There's no Misty... There's however some Erika, Whitney and Kotone. I take it as a victory that you couldn't see that XP Yeah. I didn't actually look at any of the mug-shots before guessing, so I just assumed they did something to Misty's sideways ponytail. |P

Sheila: I wasn't really sure how to make it sparkle. Also... That it's in front of the hair, is, again, the original spriters mistake, but I'll see if I can fix it ^^
Just add in little one-pixel splotches of very light color near the light source, in an uneven pattern. Point taken with the earring, but you really should have fixed it if it was the sprite's problem.

Rayen: You don't need to look something to be something! ... But yeah... This was made after an all nighter at 8 in the morning... I got a little... Lazy XP
I know, that was just a random comment. |3 And yeah, you may want to sling a loose-fitting cape over his shoulders or something.

Also, don't worry about that character of yours XP can't use it for anything, so it's safe
Heh, I was just remarking how Edward reminded me of him. (Doesn't help that he's easily one of my favorite creations too, either...)

Comments, again, in red. Nice job with these, but for the parts where the original spriter was at fault... you should have fixed them. :/

Getsumei February 17th, 2010 12:09 PM

I should have, but I didn't really think about it XD my mistake, feel free to slap me!

And tatoos... yes...YES! THAT'S PERFECT! It'll totally fit his character! Thank you!

And also thanks for all the other ideas! I'm gonna get on that as soon as possible! :3

... And about Kyril, he's supposed too look all young and innocent XD It was 100% on purpose that he ended up having a kind of girly look.

Giratina ♀ February 17th, 2010 12:13 PM

Ah. I thought he was a rougher, less innocent sort because he's the Street-Wise Prodigy and whatnot.

[slaps]

Getsumei February 17th, 2010 12:45 PM

Hey hey... As mentioned before.. You don't need to LOOK something to BE something XP

EDIT: I've tried and fix the stuff you mentioned, though I'm terrible at tattoos T_T So he's been left as he is, still... *sigh*

Giratina ♀ February 18th, 2010 12:38 PM

I know. But usually Leader titles fit their people, don't they? 'Street-wise' and 'young and innocent' don't always pop up in the same train of thought, do they? |3 Aww, it's a pity about the tattoos. It would have been cool to put all sorts of dragon designs all over him.

Getsumei February 18th, 2010 1:59 PM

He's "street-wise" because he's basically a street-kid, as I attempted to portray in his picture. And again, he only looks innocent... Besides, I like to not have my characters be blatantly obvious all the time...

BTW: If you haven't noticed yet, I tried the cape thing for Rayen. Please give me your lovely input XD

Giratina ♀ February 18th, 2010 2:40 PM

I noticed after I put up the post. Hold on~!

Sheena: It's good you took my advice, and I thank you for that, but there are also certain places where the outline should be black - the lines are only in color when they're near the light source, remember?

Sheena: Much better! =D The earrings look fine, and the cover-up was good too.

Edward: Just putting him in again because man, that kid is awesome. Though may I suggest changing the outfit, or at least the designs on it? Still resembles Falkner a lot.

Rayen: Better! The cloak was done very well, shading and everything. :3 Put some patterns on the headband and you've got yourself a good Grass-type Gym Leader.

Aaaaand that's it for the specifics.

Though I can say for a lot of the Gym Leaders I saw the same problem: a lot of them don't actually personify their type all that well, and with the exception of one or two that's an important trait in a Gym Leader. Take, say, Sergeant Stone. His last name sounds like he ought to be in the Rock/Ground Gym, and his design further implies that; Chloe, on the other hand, doesn't really show any type at all save for maybe Water. Bosco looks like a pretty sleazy businessman to me, and so I'd be a little more keen on putting him in the Dark or Ghost position. Of course, Kaito also looks like some sort of sleazy businessman, so... yeah. Maybe put some more Type-specific traits on your characters. (Just using my own as an example again - the Water-type Gym Leader wears a swimsuit and sort of Phoebe-ish towel skirt thing, Rock-type Gym Leader is a Rhyperior cosplayer, Fire-type Gym Leader has red and orange two-tone hair and lots of burns staining his body, etc.)

And if he's a street kid, shouldn't he not be wearing... you know... sleeveless, really open shirts and some sort of poofy hat? :/ Maybe put some Band-Aids or other scratches from scuffles on his face and arms, and try to implement some baggier clothes somewhere or something.

My suggestion: Go back and look over them all. If you can see traces of the character base in them past the pose and/or facial features, grab some paper and just redesign them entirely. Pay no attention to whatever character base they'll be easiest on, but give them an appearance that works. If you feel like it, then go back to the sprites and edit them into the new look - they'll probably be a lot better, and all practice is good practice.

Getsumei February 18th, 2010 3:32 PM

Sheena: I'll try and get on it ^^

Sheena(Sheila? XD): Thank you ^^

Edward: I know he does, but again, I find that that clothing fits the character I was making very much, which is what I'm focused at the most. I didn't make these so I could show off some sort of pixelation talent, I made them to make my leaders, as I envisioned them. Of course, I don't want them to be exact copies, but I also don't want them to lose their character because I have to go out of my way to make them different.

Rayen: Thank you! I wasn't sure how it looked ^^;; And yeah, I was thinking of doing something with the headband, just haven't figured out exactly what.

And now for this:

Quote:

Though I can say for a lot of the Gym Leaders I saw the same problem: a lot of them don't actually personify their type all that well, and with the exception of one or two that's an important trait in a Gym Leader. Take, say, Sergeant Stone. His last name sounds like he ought to be in the Rock/Ground Gym, and his design further implies that; Chloe, on the other hand, doesn't really show any type at all save for maybe Water. Bosco looks like a pretty sleazy businessman to me, and so I'd be a little more keen on putting him in the Dark or Ghost position. Of course, Kaito also looks like some sort of sleazy businessman, so... yeah. Maybe put some more Type-specific traits on your characters. (Just using my own as an example again - the Water-type Gym Leader wears a swimsuit and sort of Phoebe-ish towel skirt thing, Rock-type Gym Leader is a Rhyperior cosplayer, Fire-type Gym Leader has red and orange two-tone hair and lots of burns staining his body, etc.)
See, you see a problem, but it's 100% purposely done. I've always thought that alot of the Leaders of the original games was sometimes TOO obvious, both in their names and appearance. It's as if they were born to represent the Type they end up representing, and well, I don't like that. I'm much more into a little more complex characters.

For example, if I was to be made into a Trainer, I'd probably seem like a dark Type person, seeing as how I usually wear dark clothes and have hair(and if I smile creepily, facial expression XD) similar to Edward... Yet, when I look at the Pokémon I prefer, I see ALOT of Normal, Rock/Ground and Water types. A persons look, personality and preferences doesn't always fit like a glove, which is why I've made the trainers as they are.

Chloe, for example, was one of the first ones I decided on... Instead of having some big rugged man, I wanted a little innocent girl, who just had a strange affection towards Rock and Ground types, claiming them to be "cute".

These characters ain't there JUST to be Gym Leaders... They're characters of their own, so I want to put in alot of thought in them, not just say "well, he's water, so he'll be a swimming instructor named.. Uh... Wave!". I like to have people think again...

But all in all, if you knew the personality and background on the characters, you ould most likely understand more why they have the type preference and Gym that they have. I just didn't really want to write out bio's for every one of them.

Quote:

And if he's a street kid, shouldn't he not be wearing... you know... sleeveless, really open shirts and some sort of poofy hat? :/ Maybe put some Band-Aids or other scratches from scuffles on his face and arms, and try to implement some baggier clothes somewhere or something.
Well, you can't see his pants, so maybe they're baggy? XD The scratches and band-aids are a good idea, and I think i'll use that, but the rest, I feel portray him very well, but that's a matter of perspective I guess. The sleeveless shirt is really just to give a sense that "he's so poor he can't even afford sleeves" XP, the single glove is kinda the same... He doesn't have enough to get a pair, so he only has one... The hat is mostly for the innocence look again, but it's size is also so big you could get the feel that he could almost "hide in it" XD

Quote:

My suggestion: Go back and look over them all. If you can see traces of the character base in them past the pose and/or facial features, grab some paper and just redesign them entirely. Pay no attention to whatever character base they'll be easiest on, but give them an appearance that works. If you feel like it, then go back to the sprites and edit them into the new look - they'll probably be a lot better, and all practice is good practice.
While I appreciate the suggestion, these designs is what works. Most of them is exactly how I envisioned them. Some could maybe still need some work, but I either can't think of anything that wouldn't change them too much, or I'm simply not good enough to do the edit(such as his tattoos). As mentioned before, usually, I would have drawn the characters by hand, but I don't have a scanner, which is why I tried it this way. And alot of them would resemble what they do now.

Giratina ♀ February 18th, 2010 4:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Getsumei (Post 5563493)
Sheena(Sheila? XD): Thank you ^^

Sorry, they're pretty similar names. Eheh.

Quote:

Edward: I know he does, but again, I find that that clothing fits the character I was making very much, which is what I'm focused at the most. I didn't make these so I could show off some sort of pixelation talent, I made them to make my leaders, as I envisioned them. Of course, I don't want them to be exact copies, but I also don't want them to lose their character because I have to go out of my way to make them different.
So you purposefully gave him a short jacket and tied-up baggy... thing? I've got nothing against you wanting to portray your characters correctly, but when you see a top that looks an awful lot like Falkner's, your mind's eye portrays a bottom that looks an awful lot like Falkner's. And I don't know how likely it is that all of your character designs were composed partly of looking at established Gym Leaders and modifying parts a little bit, but... eh.

Quote:

See, you see a problem, but it's 100% purposely done. I've always thought that alot of the Leaders of the original games was sometimes TOO obvious, both in their names and appearance. It's as if they were born to represent the Type they end up representing, and well, I don't like that. I'm much more into a little more complex characters.
Complex characters do not equal characters who don't look like they had been designed for their jobs - which, at the end of the day, they were. And no, they weren't born to represent their Type, but they do decide how they dress up and generally what they appear to others. Maybe your Gym Leaders are just pretty lax about keeping up an image of Type clarity in your region, but you still must keep in mind that these people have been designated to represent their city and their Type, and they need to have sometimes-weird outfits to represent that.
Quote:

For example, if I was to be made into a Trainer, I'd probably seem like a dark Type person, seeing as how I usually wear dark clothes and have hair(and if I smile creepily, facial expression XD) similar to Edward... Yet, when I look at the Pokémon I prefer, I see ALOT of Normal, Rock/Ground and Water types. A persons look, personality and preferences doesn't always fit like a glove, which is why I've made the trainers as they are.
No, not all Trainers perfectly represent their Type preferences. I agree. I love Dark, Ghost, and Psychic-types, and yet as a Trainer I'd be likely dressed up in a cheap, funny t-shirt and jeans. But Gym Leaders are not regular guys who run around with their Pokemon - part of these people's jobs is looking the part of Type master. They dress up like their Type on purpose.
Quote:

Chloe, for example, was one of the first ones I decided on... Instead of having some big rugged man, I wanted a little innocent girl, who just had a strange affection towards Rock and Ground types, claiming them to be "cute".
Okay, but still, one of the things expected of a Gym Leader is to look the part.
Quote:

These characters ain't there JUST to be Gym Leaders... They're characters of their own, so I want to put in alot of thought in them, not just say "well, he's water, so he'll be a swimming instructor named.. Uh... Wave!". I like to have people think again...
While that's true - they do need to be characters in their own right, and making people think a little to find the connections are fine - some people don't get those right away just from looking at them. For example, Chloe. When people come to review your Gym Leader sprites and you tell them which Type they are, how are they supposed to know that Chloe just finds Rock and Ground-types cute or something to that effect? They expect to know what they're looking at with Gym Leaders, and unless you put in a little mini-bio they're going to be thinking, "This stuff is totally random!" on some of them.

Of course, they're your characters and you can make them however you like, but I'm just pointing out my opinions and objections as a rather more... ahem... traditional Gym Leader designer.
Quote:

But all in all, if you knew the personality and background on the characters, you ould most likely understand more why they have the type preference and Gym that they have. I just didn't really want to write out bio's for every one of them.
That's probably true. But there are no bios, like you said, and so I don't know the story behind them all.

Quote:

I feel portray him very well, but that's a matter of perspective I guess. The sleeveless shirt is really just to give a sense that "he's so poor he can't even afford sleeves" XP, the single glove is kinda the same... He doesn't have enough to get a pair, so he only has one... The hat is mostly for the innocence look again, but it's size is also so big you could get the feel that he could almost "hide in it" XD
Yeah, it likely is a matter of perspective. None of that really occurred to me, so... |3

Well, in any case, good luck with your RP.

Getsumei February 18th, 2010 4:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by F.F. Giratina (Post 5563583)
Sorry, they're pretty similar names. Eheh.

Well, Sheena, Sheila and Sasha are sisters, thus also the resembling hair color XD

Quote:

Originally Posted by F.F. Giratina (Post 5563583)
So you purposefully gave him a short jacket and tied-up baggy... thing? I've got nothing against you wanting to portray your characters correctly, but when you see a top that looks an awful lot like Falkner's, your mind's eye portrays a bottom that looks an awful lot like Falkner's. And I don't know how likely it is that all of your character designs were composed partly of looking at established Gym Leaders and modifying parts a little bit, but... eh.

I chose him because I find that the jacket resembles(if it wasn't already meant to be) a haori, a type of clothing that I feel fits the character.

But yes, some have been influenced by the base, but the base itself was chosen based on how much they resembled the original character. But many of the characters are from old RP's, who have simply been reused. Rei, Shinzoku and Kaito, for example, are all characters I frequently use for RP's.

Quote:

Originally Posted by F.F. Giratina (Post 5563583)
Complex characters do not equal characters who don't look like they had been designed for their jobs - which, at the end of the day, they were. And no, they weren't born to represent their Type, but they do decide how they dress up and generally what they appear to others. Maybe your Gym Leaders are just pretty lax about keeping up an image of Type clarity in your region, but you still must keep in mind that these people have been designated to represent their city and their Type, and they need to have sometimes-weird outfits to represent that.
No, not all Trainers perfectly represent their Type preferences. I agree. I love Dark, Ghost, and Psychic-types, and yet as a Trainer I'd be likely dressed up in a cheap, funny t-shirt and jeans. But Gym Leaders are not regular guys who run around with their Pokemon - part of these people's jobs is looking the part of Type master. They dress up like their Type on purpose.
Okay, but still, one of the things expected of a Gym Leader is to look the part.

It is expected that they are OBVIOUS because that's how they are in the games, where even their NAMES are made to make you think of the type. But, this is games... I'm making an RP where I want the characters to be more realistic, and thus, it would be a rare coincidence for a person to be named Rose and then, when she grows up, she JUST SO HAPPENS to become the leader of a Gym specializing in Grass types.

And where does it ever say they are REQUIRED to look their part? Nowhere, they just do in the games. They may be Leaders of a Gym, which just so happens to specialize in a specific type, but they're normal people too, and if I became a Gym leader, I wouldn't change how I look, just because of that... My social status/job wouldn't cause me to change myself... I'm who I am, and I dress however I want, not how people expect me to.

Quote:

Originally Posted by F.F. Giratina (Post 5563583)
While that's true - they do need to be characters in their own right, and making people think a little to find the connections are fine - some people don't get those right away just from looking at them. For example, Chloe. When people come to review your Gym Leader sprites and you tell them which Type they are, how are they supposed to know that Chloe just finds Rock and Ground-types cute or something to that effect? They expect to know what they're looking at with Gym Leaders, and unless you put in a little mini-bio they're going to be thinking, "This stuff is totally random!" on some of them.

Well... All characters will have a bio on the site where I'm creating the RP, obviously, but generally, the characters doesn't necessarily know who's what, and especially Kyril and Chloe are made to be, like... SURPRISE! kind of characters.

I just put up the characters here to get a general oppinion of the characters themselves really. And help on some improvements, which I've gotten, thanks to you ^^ If people don't think they fit their roles is their own problem XP

Quote:

Originally Posted by F.F. Giratina (Post 5563583)
Of course, they're your characters and you can make them however you like, but I'm just pointing out my opinions and objections as a rather more... ahem... traditional Gym Leader designer.

And I totally respect that, sorry if you felt otherwise ^^ I'm just not all that traditional I suppose XD I don't like when things are too obvious, unless I intend for it to be obvious for a reason, and that "they specialize in [insert type] types", isn't a good enough reason for me XD

A reason for me would be to show a character's lack of creativity by having them call their newly caught Meowth "Kitty" or "Neko"(the japanese word for cat)

Quote:

Originally Posted by F.F. Giratina (Post 5563583)
That's probably true. But there are no bios, like you said, and so I don't know the story behind them all.

And obviously I didn't expect you to, just telling you why I did it like I did ^^

Quote:

Originally Posted by F.F. Giratina (Post 5563583)
Yeah, it likely is a matter of perspective. None of that really occurred to me, so... |3

Yeah, people think in different ways ^^

Quote:

Originally Posted by F.F. Giratina (Post 5563583)
Well, in any case, good luck with your RP.

Thank you ^^ If you're possibly interested in joining when it's done, I could give you a heads up ;P

Might take a while, though... There's still alot of technical stuff I want to work out ^^

Giratina ♀ February 18th, 2010 5:15 PM

[sits up straight]

It's a forum-based roleplay? =DDDD
Omaigawd, I love roleplaying. Of course I'm gonna join when it's done!

Otherwise, yeah. Most of my reply would boil down to opinions on how to handle a character, which is definitely not what we need in a sprite thread. XD Nothing else to say. Of course, I wholeheartedly agree with the "SURPRISE!" characters; they're always good fun. I've got one planned as one of my fanfiction-oriented Gym Leaders, and it's a handful just keeping him around in my brain. Heh heh.

Getsumei February 18th, 2010 5:26 PM

I would be honoured to have you ^^ And then if you don't agree with my Gym leaders, you can always take one over yourself. I give people that option... they have to be very strong and respected though XD

BlankPoints February 18th, 2010 7:24 PM

The second set of gym leaders you just brought out were great,

NOTE:Don't worry F.F. Giratina I thought Kyril was a girl too (-_-) srry Getsumei

Your Edward sprite totally rocks, he has a personality attached to him but he looks a little,little bit like Falkner

Getsumei February 18th, 2010 7:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trask3000 (Post 5563988)
The second set of gym leaders you just brought out were great,

NOTE:Don't worry F.F. Giratina I thought Kyril was a girl too (-_-) srry Getsumei

Your Edward sprite totally rocks, he has a personality attached to him but he looks a little,little bit like Falkner

Don't say sorry, as said, it was kinda on purpose XD

And just let him. To me, he's still Edward <3

mew² February 19th, 2010 1:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Getsumei (Post 5548820)
~Bug Type Leader: Sgt. Stone "The Veteran"
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b343/Neko_Kaw/VSStone.png
~Humility Badge[Not made yet]

Psychic Type Leader: Kyril "The Street-wise Prodigy"
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b343/Neko_Kaw/VSKyril.png
~Patience Badge[Not made yet]

I have to say, these are the two best in my sincere opinion.

Sgt. Stone looks amazing.
Kyril's style would most likely make her my favorite Gym Leader.

All and all, these are some good resprites.

Edit: Wait!? Kyril is a guy?! D: Aw, I thought it was a cute bunch of pixles til I read that.

Getsumei February 19th, 2010 1:35 AM

I like how people get disappointed when they find out he's a boy XD

mew² February 19th, 2010 2:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Getsumei (Post 5564398)
I like how people get disappointed when they find out he's a boy XD

Its a good feeling eh? XD
Can we just say Kyril is a girl and I'll give you a plate of cookies? :D

Getsumei February 19th, 2010 2:45 AM

We can say that, but it would be a lie *munches on cookies*

Giratina ♀ February 19th, 2010 12:51 PM

It's probably because he was made from a more feminine base, and people automatically think, "Oh, brown Lyra!" or something.

Getsumei February 19th, 2010 1:11 PM

Which I have already mentioned was probably the cause XD And again, totally intentional XP

Giratina ♀ February 19th, 2010 1:15 PM

...Really? You mentioned that? Didn't see. But yeah, also like you said, intentionally feminine Gym Leader.


All times are GMT -8. The time now is 10:38 PM.


Like our Facebook Page Follow us on Twitter © 2002 - 2018 The PokéCommunity™, pokecommunity.com.
Pokémon characters and images belong to The Pokémon Company International and Nintendo. This website is in no way affiliated with or endorsed by Nintendo, Creatures, GAMEFREAK, The Pokémon Company or The Pokémon Company International. We just love Pokémon.
All forum styles, their images (unless noted otherwise) and site designs are © 2002 - 2016 The PokéCommunity / PokéCommunity.com.
PokéCommunity™ is a trademark of The PokéCommunity. All rights reserved. Sponsor advertisements do not imply our endorsement of that product or service. User generated content remains the property of its creator.

Acknowledgements
Use of PokéCommunity Assets
vB Optimise by DragonByte Technologies Ltd © 2023.