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Usagi-Chan~ February 16th, 2010 3:29 PM

I want the demos. One of the pictures of Silver on your site makes him look kawaii, almost innocent~

Yukima February 16th, 2010 3:40 PM

I remember seeing posts like this on the Serebii forums (not a member, but a constant lurker!) and thought they were very interesting. Like a few others who posted, I think it'd be spectacular if anyone ever found a working demo version from that event - the summary said the games were 80% complete at the time of the event, correct? I wonder how much was included...

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I think that if they do release it, they would release it with other demos in one cartridge, and sell it for about $30 to $50.
I wish! They could put in the Spaceworld demo, and then throw in a "complete" beta of G/S with all of the hidden beta towns and maps and music, etc.

*sigh* If only they'd make a cartridge with ALL of the different beta versions of every Pokemon game...

encas February 16th, 2010 3:46 PM

Woah, this is fascinating! I recall learning about these early, drastically different versions of Gold and Silver somewhere else, but they weren't nearly as indepth.

Some particular personal points of interest:

It's odd and interesting how you were named after the anime character in the beginning.
I'm glad they changed the starters; the fire starter looks too amorphous and like a fan-made Pikachu edit, and the water one looks like a generic splice of Lapras and Dewgong. On a similar note, the early Hitmontop design looks a lot like Togepi for some reason.

celebi23 February 16th, 2010 4:18 PM

I also added the scans from the July 1997 issue of Computer & Videogames Magazine

Redstar February 16th, 2010 4:38 PM

The betas will turn up at some point. They always do. A beta cart for Super Mario Bros. 2 turned up nearly 20 years later.

Virtual Chatot February 17th, 2010 4:59 AM

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Originally Posted by celebi23 (Post 5558316)

I'm confused at what some of the points the magazine was making.

(2) This time Professor Orchid (I'm assuming that's Oak?) has asked you to travel over the whole country in search of all new PMs (Pocket Monsters) so that you can collect them for him - not just the town.
The last part is confusing, "so that you can collect them for him - not just town." What does that even mean?
(8) You now have a new mode of transport. In the RGB versions you used a bicycle, but in the GS versions you have a rather trendy Skateboard!
Ah, now I remember that a Skateboard was originally programmed in, but then they decided against it.

This picture really intrigued me.
http://www.pokecommunity.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=52512&stc=1&d=1266411507
The symbols on the walls make me think that maybe it had something to do with the Unown?

Yukima February 17th, 2010 3:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Virtual Chatot (Post 5559498)
(2) This time Professor Orchid (I'm assuming that's Oak?) has asked you to travel over the whole country in search of all new PMs (Pocket Monsters) so that you can collect them for him - not just the town.
The last part is confusing, "so that you can collect them for him - not just town." What does that even mean?

From what I've noticed, Japanese sentence structure can sometimes be backwards. So rearranging the sentence will probably give you something like, "Oak has asked you to travel over the whole country, not just around the town, in search of all-new Pokemon"

Maybe? :nervous:

Virtual Chatot February 17th, 2010 4:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Yukima (Post 5560710)
From what I've noticed, Japanese sentence structure can sometimes be backwards. So rearranging the sentence will probably give you something like, "Oak has asked you to travel over the whole country, not just around the town, in search of all-new Pokemon"

Maybe? :nervous:

It could just be a translation thing, or the magazine didn't know anything about Pokemon at all.

Redstar February 17th, 2010 4:30 PM

It's the second one: the magazine didn't know anything. They refer to Pokemon as "Pockemon", Charizard as "Lizardo", and Mew as "the evil Myuu". It's an amusing look into how one particular magazine viewed the franchise before it even came out.

Virtual Chatot February 17th, 2010 6:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Redstar (Post 5560958)
They refer to Pokemon as "Pockemon", Charizard as "Lizardo".

Lizard+Japanese word for Charizard? (Rizardon)

That's just plain dumb.

RivalGator February 17th, 2010 11:22 PM

Oh wow! That is extremely interesting!

Lord Varion February 18th, 2010 2:23 AM

Is this like .... what the were originally going to do
coz it looks by far cooler than the orginal versions of gold and silver

Tudsworth February 18th, 2010 2:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Redstar (Post 5560958)
It's the second one: the magazine didn't know anything. They refer to Pokemon as "Pockemon", Charizard as "Lizardo", and Mew as "the evil Myuu". It's an amusing look into how one particular magazine viewed the franchise before it even came out.

C&VG had one thing going for them - they wrote a LOT of articles about Japan-only games back in "the day". Just a shame most of them were incorrect. Bad romanisations, worse translations. The "pockemon" thing is somewhat understandable, because it's a contraction of "poketto monsuta" or "Pocket Monster". But, well, they were a major publication (one of the UK's longest-running games magazines at the time), so they shoulda done the research.

In other words, the sentences were poorly translated due to a lack of understanding. No contextual knowledge, combined with pretty poor Japanese translation skills. I propose that the edited version of point 2 be pointed out (excuse the bad pun), purely because it makes more sense than the C&VG translation.

Also, isn't "Rizaado" (Lizardo) Charmeleon's Romanised name?

Nikorasu February 18th, 2010 3:31 AM

Honooguma looks amazing!

If only they released it on G/S. It proves how the pokemon always looked so much better back then.

Redstar February 18th, 2010 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Tudsworth (Post 5562017)
C&VG had one thing going for them - they wrote a LOT of articles about Japan-only games back in "the day". Just a shame most of them were incorrect. Bad romanisations, worse translations. The "pockemon" thing is somewhat understandable, because it's a contraction of "poketto monsuta" or "Pocket Monster". But, well, they were a major publication (one of the UK's longest-running games magazines at the time), so they shoulda done the research.

I was actually very surprised to see Gold and Silver covered so early... I came across those references when searching through scans for a project of my own. I'd recently begun talking to Celebi23 about the project, so I sent along the information since it benefits both of us.

C&VG seems very much like a casual sort of magazine... There's a lot of profanity and bad writing, but they did cover games that most other magazines didn't. The magazine has been a good resource for that exact reason.

Skystrike February 23rd, 2010 7:50 PM

OMG XDDDD!!!!! Chikorita's Orgins....Happa?!

celebi23 February 27th, 2010 5:30 AM

A couple of updates. First off, I know that my website is acting up. It's just not displaying the html pages in Safari. If you view the source of the pages, everything is still there. I just republished the entire site & that didn't fix it >_< I'm going to call Apple's MobileMe support on Monday

Second, some of the earliest Pokémon Gold/Silver artwork came from this magazine cover

http://web.me.com/celebi23/Spaceworld_97_Pokemon/Game_Review_Volume_14_files/game14.gif

No scans from the magazine itself exist. That might change soon. I did a search on Google & came up with

http://ameblo.jp/trio-the-punch/entry-10332216419.html
http://ameblo.jp/trio-the-punch/image-10332216419-10243930367.html

It looks like the guy has a whole collection of these magazines. I sent him a message (yay Google Translate >_< ) asking if he actually has that issue & if he could scan it & then email me the scans. Will keep you guys updated

bcpwd1 February 27th, 2010 3:02 PM

pokemon is epic way don't we do a speed run together

~Hot n' Cold~ March 3rd, 2010 2:50 PM

Do you HAVE this ROM?
I didn't quite understand this, is it actaully released or scheduled?

Anyone, this is really cool!

ChrisTom March 4th, 2010 8:25 PM

You know I'm very interested in this sort of stuff. The things you will find in Betas is incredible. The original Pokemon Red/Blue was filled with crazy stuff in the beta. Even after production, Pokemon Gold/Silver still had Beta maps, and one of my favorite songs from the Gen II games. I've actually posted it for download on this same forum.

Now I saw a thread posted a long time ago (Sadly, it's now closed), which mildly proved Jirachi was a Beta Pokemon for Gold/Silver. Now although this seems a bit far fetched, take this into consideration; Gastrodon was originally going to be in Gen III, but was moved to Sinnoh. The Jirachi could be obtained through a rediculous cheat of some sort, and it was rock/flying, perhaps to give the conception of a meteor. My guess would be that it would be common at night in mountainous areas. Although many people believe it is fake, crazier things have happened in the Pokemon World. Mew cheat, Pomeg glitch, and the aforementioned Gastrodon.

Anyways hoped that tidbit of info helped! ^_^

Lord Varion March 10th, 2010 11:06 AM

So theres no BETA rom

I have been researching a LOT
and there were lots of beta maps and ditched graphics of gold and silver
why the all look so cool

but then again if they used those betas then we'd be looking at the ones that are on it ( which would beta) and think they were cool

Team Rocket's Raichu March 10th, 2010 6:06 PM

I could hack FireRed or Gold/Silver, and try to recreate this demo based on information, but I'm not very good, so it would take me a while to make that kind of hack.

560cool. March 17th, 2010 1:01 PM

Wowza ! :0 So many changed !

From the map screenies , I think that all these graphics were better in the demo . Dunno why , :/ just looks beter ! :D


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