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jmadude February 16th, 2010 9:26 AM

Bad game in my opinion
 
Does anybody else feel that Pokemon Ruby and Sapphire were pretty much the worst pokemon rpg game there is. I mean after all the new events and functions that pokemon S/G/C gave us one would think that pokemon Ruby and Sapphire would be filled with better functions. Ruby and Sapphire only introduced abilities, contests, and better names for berries and that's it, they couldn't even put animations on the pokemon and made it really hard to re-battle trainers. Emerald was better since it gave the player more to do and introduced the battle frontier, an improved phone and better pokemon animations. Ruby and Sapphire could have been a lot better but for some reason they lacked the excitement that other pokemon games gave us.

RHCP February 16th, 2010 9:31 AM

It is expected for Emerald to be better, as it is a Remake. Personally, I *loved* Ruby and Sapphire. They didn't just introduce Contests and Berries, they introduced Hoenn and the Third Generation.

jmadude February 16th, 2010 9:41 AM

I'm not talking about the 3rd generation I loved it, but I'm talking about the story line and the features that the game lacked. I mean after G/S/C the game lost a lot of the features that would have been great to implement, just think about Ruby and Sapphire with the Day and Night system that would have made it a little better.

mattman324 February 16th, 2010 9:42 AM

Nope, but Gen1 might be. Sure, they jumpstarted pokemon. Sure, they were a national phenominon. But what was so GOOD about them that no fan seems to be able to do them wrong? The sprites were horrid (Look at Porygon's green sprite, it looks like a GSC, but it's Yellow was... ugh.), many aspects of the game were broken (The critical hit ratio? Base speed/256. For high/crit attacks? Base speed/64. Which means Venusaur's Razor Leaf and Persian's Slash ALWAYS critted.), and there were glitches abound.

You mention that it was hard to rematch trainers. In RBY, you couldn't, and GSC had THE EXACT SAME SYSTEM, only YOU COULDN'T HAVE EVERYONE'S NUMBER.

Animations? Doesn't matter if it's GSC, Emerald, Platinum, Diamond or Pearl, or Heart Gold and Soul Silver, it's just extra fluff/artificial game lengthining.

"Only" those things? So it didn't introduce about 136 new pokemon?

EDIT: DON'T EVEN TRY to bring up the Clock from GSC. That thing not only sucked majorly for those of us who mistakenly set it, but it LITERALLY sucked: The game's inner battery died so quickly because of it.

Moltres111 February 16th, 2010 9:48 AM

The only bad thing about Emerald was the Match Call.

The surfing was acceptable in my opinion. IF you brought a Repel. ^_^

But yeah, R/S weren't really good. They lacked that really cool storyline that Emerald had. It also lacked the coolest cutscene ever.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmmLtt6zc9s

^^ click that if you have no idea what i'm talking about.

jmadude February 16th, 2010 9:54 AM

Yeah they were able to do cutscenes and so much more but why they didn't do it I don't know. The region of Hoenn wasn't that great because it had water almost everywhere and I know it's in a tropical zone but they could have added more land. I didn't really get how Groudon was a problem I mean "Look out he's going to tan us to death!" that's not a big problem, it would have been if there had been ice in the region, but hey look another thing the game could have added.
EDIT: I still have my Crystal game and it still hasn't frozen or anything, Ruby and Sapphire had a clock and more GBA capabilities but they didn't use them. Like I said before I'm not talking about the pokemon I'm talking about the storyline and functions.

Okami Chi February 16th, 2010 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by jmadude (Post 5557137)
Does anybody else feel that Pokemon Ruby and Sapphire were pretty much the worst pokemon rpg game there is. I mean after all the new events and functions that pokemon S/G/C gave us one would think that pokemon Ruby and Sapphire would be filled with better functions. Ruby and Sapphire only introduced abilities, contests, and better names for berries and that's it, they couldn't even put animations on the pokemon and made it really hard to re-battle trainers. Emerald was better since it gave the player more to do and introduced the battle frontier, an improved phone and better pokemon animations. Ruby and Sapphire could have been a lot better but for some reason they lacked the excitement that other pokemon games gave us.

I wouldn't say the were terrible or pointless, but yes, Emerald was better. But that's with every version. Yellow (to me) is better than red and blue, same with silver gold, ect. I think the where not the worth though. I think silver or gold where my least fav. I still love them, but I didn't really like any of the Pokemon from that series. Unlike the others where I have 5-20 that I like.

"Shadow Lugia" February 16th, 2010 10:40 AM

I have two large annoyances with R/S/E:

1. The tiny amount of post-game content.

After the large post-game on G/S/C for GameBoy/GameBoy Color, you'd expect something just as good or better on a GameBoy Advance Pokemon game. Here's all there was to do post-game in R/S:
-Go on the S.S. Tidal
-Go through the Battle Tower
-Find and battle Latios/Latias
-Battle Raquaza

Emerald did make some improvements, but the only games with less to do after beating the Elite Four are R/G/B/Y, which is understandable since that was on the original GameBoy. Also, since those were the first games, the developers were probably more concerned with getting everything else right than trying to add a lot of post-game content. However, I don't get why they made such a small post-game for a Pokemon game on the GBA when Game Freak had already done very well with the post-game for G/S/C. I wasn't expecting a complete region, but I was at least expecting something like the Battle Zone in D/P/Pt.

2. Half of the routes in Hoenn are water routes.

This has always been my largest annoyance about R/S/E. The previous statement isn't an exaggeration, either. Exactly 17 of the 34 routes in Hoenn are water routes. I could maybe see 10, but 17? That's way too much. Aside from the direction the route's facing, there are basically no aesthetic differences between water routes. In addition, most of the trainers have similar Pokemon. Due to all of this, I get bored incredibly quickly while going through water routes.

Despite these two major cons I posted, I still like R/S/E a fair bit. However, I do prefer all the other main series games much more.

Wings Don't Cry February 16th, 2010 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by jmadude (Post 5557214)
Yeah they were able to do cutscenes and so much more but why they didn't do it I don't know. The region of Hoenn wasn't that great because it had water almost everywhere and I know it's in a tropical zone but they could have added more land. I didn't really get how Groudon was a problem I mean "Look out he's going to tan us to death!" that's not a big problem, it would have been if there had been ice in the region, but hey look another thing the game could have added.
EDIT: I still have my Crystal game and it still hasn't frozen or anything, Ruby and Sapphire had a clock and more GBA capabilities but they didn't use them. Like I said before I'm not talking about the pokemon I'm talking about the storyline and functions.


You do realize Fr/Lg had even less features right? Also Groudon can cause many problems if there is a drought then you'd probably dehydrate to death and if the region of Hoenn becomes too hot all the ice in the sea would melt changing the fresh water to salt water ratio in the ocean.

Virtual Chatot February 16th, 2010 11:58 AM

I have to agree with Shadow Lugia, post game content was horrid.

Thank god for Pokemon Box; I had to restart my games over and over again out of sheer boredom and I would have lost hundreds of hours worth of Pokemon.

Silhouette February 16th, 2010 1:46 PM

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Originally Posted by mattman324 (Post 5557183)
Nope, but Gen1 might be. Sure, they jumpstarted pokemon. Sure, they were a national phenominon. But what was so GOOD about them that no fan seems to be able to do them wrong? The sprites were horrid (Look at Porygon's green sprite, it looks like a GSC, but it's Yellow was... ugh.), many aspects of the game were broken (The critical hit ratio? Base speed/256. For high/crit attacks? Base speed/64. Which means Venusaur's Razor Leaf and Persian's Slash ALWAYS critted.), and there were glitches abound.

You mention that it was hard to rematch trainers. In RBY, you couldn't, and GSC had THE EXACT SAME SYSTEM, only YOU COULDN'T HAVE EVERYONE'S NUMBER.

Animations? Doesn't matter if it's GSC, Emerald, Platinum, Diamond or Pearl, or Heart Gold and Soul Silver, it's just extra fluff/artificial game lengthining.

"Only" those things? So it didn't introduce about 136 new pokemon?

EDIT: DON'T EVEN TRY to bring up the Clock from GSC. That thing not only sucked majorly for those of us who mistakenly set it, but it LITERALLY sucked: The game's inner battery died so quickly because of it.

This.

But personally, I liked all the games. RSE perhaps being my favorites.

Muffin™ February 16th, 2010 2:23 PM

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Originally Posted by "Shadow Lugia" (Post 5557308)
2. Half of the routes in Hoenn are water routes.

This has always been my largest annoyance about R/S/E. The previous statement isn't an exaggeration, either. Exactly 17 of the 34 routes in Hoenn are water routes. I could maybe see 10, but 17? That's way too much. Aside from the direction the route's facing, there are basically no aesthetic differences between water routes. In addition, most of the trainers have similar Pokemon. Due to all of this, I get bored incredibly quickly while going through water routes.

Despite these two major cons I posted, I still like R/S/E a fair bit. However, I do prefer all the other main series games much more.


Someone didn't bring max repels...

Waki Tobaye February 16th, 2010 2:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Moltres111 (Post 5557203)
The only bad thing about Emerald was the Match Call.

The surfing was acceptable in my opinion. IF you brought a Repel. ^_^

But yeah, R/S weren't really good. They lacked that really cool storyline that Emerald had. It also lacked the coolest cutscene ever.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmmLtt6zc9s

^^ click that if you have no idea what i'm talking about.

This.

And consider the great Pokémon from that generation (Chimecho!!!! =D)
Epic. Win.

Calvo819 February 16th, 2010 5:11 PM

i thought Fire Red and Leaf Green were terrible. i liked RSE more

Timbjerr February 16th, 2010 8:39 PM

I must be the only one that wasn't bothered by the amount of sea routes in Hoenn. Sure, it was fairly easy to get lost and sure, you're always beeing harassed by Tentacool/Wingull, but at least it goes by quickly with RSE's fast surfing speed, and Dive was a pretty cool HM. :D

Now as far as the story goes, it could've been better. I like how they tried to make it more epic than the prior Team rocket plots, but it does all fall flat when you realize just how silly the whole thing was. At least it didn't go as overboard as DPPt's Galactic storyline, and at least we got some cool legendaries out of it instead of the lame dragon trio. :P

GenII is still my favorite overall though...

Nikorasu February 17th, 2010 12:35 PM

Woah woah woah woah, did you say what i think you said? Sapphire and ruby are the WORST games for pokemon?

You need to take a good look at P/D/PT mate.

umbreon_4_life February 17th, 2010 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by BloodLucario (Post 5560311)
Woah woah woah woah, did you say what i think you said? Sapphire and ruby are the WORST games for pokemon?

You need to take a good look at P/D/PT mate.

Uhhh... Did you just say that D/P/PT are the worst games?! Somebody forgot FR/LG! Not trying to offend anyone or anything, but still.

Nikorasu February 17th, 2010 1:21 PM

i actually quite liked FR/LG

Jesh February 17th, 2010 1:35 PM

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Originally Posted by umbreon_4_life (Post 5560348)
Uhhh... Did you just say that D/P/PT are the worst games?! Somebody forgot FR/LG! Not trying to offend anyone or anything, but still.

Fr/LG was CHALLENGING. They had an elite four that was fun. Sevii Islands. that thing gary gave you when you beat him on Nugget Bridge. VS SEEKER. FUN GYM BATTLES. What did D/P/PT have? A lame ass elite four. battle frontier is laaaame as all hell. VS Seeker. It was completely unchallenging. And the pokemon were TERRIBLE :|

Luck February 17th, 2010 2:42 PM

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Hoenn and the Third Generation.
Lol @ how this is supposed to be good.

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Fr/LG was CHALLENGING.
My brother almost beat the game with Venusaur alone, no level grinding.

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that thing gary gave you when you beat him on Nugget Bridge
Fame checker was the biggest/worst novelty item ever. Like I want to know if Mr. Fuji used to be a scientist.
At least Platinum gives you some background on Cyrus firsthand.
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A lame ass elite four.
You're completely right, if you meant an E4 that has brain cells.
Steven, Wallace, and Lance got monotype teams, so they automatically lose.
Gary had pathetic pokemon until the rematch, where he fetched a useful Tyranitar.
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It was completely unchallenging.
Did you ever beat the game without level grinding or using ubers?


It wasn't the worst, as far as I would go(personally, Johto was the worst in terms of everything barring pokemon, since Johto was unoriginal and I personally would like a new huge region instead of a crappy, half region that was visited once before.), but it was pretty irritating.
The surfing was annoying, and Dive didn't make it better. Putting a cherry on a pile of crap doesn't make the crap much better.
So yeah, I'm playing devil's advocate here.

Calvo819 February 17th, 2010 2:43 PM

tier list of pokemon games (rpgs on handhelds ONLY)

God Tier = GSC
Top Tier - RBY
Mid Tier - DPPt
Lower Mid Tier - Pokemon Pinball >:3
Low Tier - RSE
Fail Tier - FrLg

Nikorasu February 18th, 2010 3:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Luck (Post 5560612)

It wasn't the worst, as far as I would go(personally, Johto was the worst in terms of everything barring pokemon, since Johto was unoriginal and I personally would like a new huge region instead of a crappy, half region that was visited once before.), but it was pretty irritating.
The surfing was annoying, and Dive didn't make it better. Putting a cherry on a pile of crap doesn't make the crap much better.
So yeah, I'm playing devil's advocate here.

You say Johto is the worst? Unoriginal? So you want a whole new region. Well good luck on that. More pokemon to add the the list of 400+.

Soon you'll be lucky even to find a zubat.

Johto was the best. Sinnoh was the worst.

Sinnoh did not entertain me at all. Team galactic had the worst ideas ever. (i mean going to that wind factory was idiotic) Whereas Team magma and team aqua had an awesome plot. The invasion of the weather centre was very clever. The fact that there was two teams in it made it even more interesting. Also when you have emerald you got to fight both of the teams.

Hoenn made me really enjoy the years i had it.

Sinnoh has around 13 legendarys; The worst battle frontier ever; Pokemon that look like the developers were either on crack cocaine or ran out of ideas; and the worst of all, the most boring storyline ever. Arceus looks like a wimp compared to something like Mewtwo or Ho-oh.

Also can anybody remember the first movie?

Where mewtwo and mew were claimed to be the most powerful pokemon in the world of pokemon?

Well what happened to that quote? Johto managed to stick to that with Lugia and ho-oh. Hoenn did untill Deoxys came out, but i haven't looked up on deoxys enough to see whether or not he is more powerful.
Sinnoh just absolutely blew it.

Man, that was an abomination.

/rantend

GlitchCity February 21st, 2010 7:37 AM

no no no no no no no. Dont forget this is due to technology at the time. The GB color was released somewhere in early 2000-2001. GBA came out in 2003. RSE had full color, double battles, running shoes, EVs and IVs, diving spots, weather effects on routes, secret bases, contests, better berries etc. I think RSE was a step up from GCS. And hoenn was original, it was a freakin reboot people. I couldnt enjoy GCS until after I beat my sapphire version.

Maybe the reason why I liked FR/LG so much is that I didnt get a change to play the original RBY games until after I bought emerald. I think FR/LG owned RBY imo.

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Originally Posted by BloodLucario (Post 5562051)
Johto was the best. Sinnoh was the worst.
Sinnoh has around 13 legendarys

half of those legends are not consider legendaries because there is no myth or story tied into it. Shaymin, manaphy, regigigas, and heatran, do you think that they are legendaries? I like to call them sub-legendaries

Directorate February 21st, 2010 7:41 AM

My favorites were ruby/sapphire/emerald actually :D They were my introduction into pokemon, they have a great story, great pokemon, classic graphics, and it was just all-round awesome!

Luck February 21st, 2010 8:36 AM

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Originally Posted by BloodLucario (Post 5562051)
Soon you'll be lucky even to find a zubat.

Because going clockwise around the region for a quarter of the game sure is fun.
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Johto was the best. Sinnoh was the worst.
Sure. Johto was just so unique. It even had a town covered in snow, a haunted mansion, ruins stuck in the mountains, a different dimension, and an island specifically made for the battle frontier.

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Sinnoh did not entertain me at all. Team galactic had the worst ideas ever. (i mean going to that wind factory was idiotic)
It's called flavor. Johto and Kanto lack it, and Hoenn has too much of it spread unevenly.

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Whereas Team magma and team aqua had an awesome plot. The invasion of the weather centre was very clever.
How so? Take over this place/get some research. The only difference is that this wasn't 11 floors bigger and Team Rocket got a palette change.
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The fact that there was two teams in it made it even more interesting. Also when you have emerald you got to fight both of the teams.
And they are both equally stupid and unsuccessful. So what if there's an extra team?
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Sinnoh has around 13 legendarys; The worst battle frontier ever;
OMG 13 legendaries!!!1!!11!one!
…Wait, why did that matter again? Oh right, it never did.

There were only two battle frontiers :/

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Pokemon that look like the developers were either on crack cocaine or ran out of ideas;
They actually got more specific and creative. I don't know what is going on through your head if you think
http://www.smogon.com/download/sprites/dp/109.png>http://www.smogon.com/download/sprites/dp/459.png


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and the worst of all, the most boring storyline ever. Arceus looks like a wimp compared to something like Mewtwo or Ho-oh.
I can't stress enough how Pokemon isn't meant to have a storyline.
And looks don't matter. Blissey would like to have a word with you.
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Also can anybody remember the first movie?
Irrelevant, the anime was never meant to be tied in with the games, unless you really think it's possible for a Pikachu to KO a Rhydon with electric attacks by aiming for the horn.

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Where mewtwo and mew were claimed to be the most powerful pokemon in the world of pokemon?
Times change >__>
It does if you are following the most popular method of the chronological order, which is that Kanto and Hoenn are roughly set in the same period and Johto and Sinnoh are roughly set in the same period.

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Well what happened to that quote? Johto managed to stick to that with Lugia and ho-oh.
They serve different purposes.

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Hoenn did untill Deoxys came out, but i haven't looked up on deoxys enough to see whether or not he is more powerful.
^


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