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kevcrash February 20th, 2010 8:03 PM

LGBT (Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transexual) anyone?
 
This is just a thread that I wanted to start to find any LGBT people.

I myself am bisexual. Kind of omnisexual, no preference, looks aren't a matter with me.

I want to find others on PC, because labels are a part of our life, even though they SUCK, it's not like we have other things to say, like if you were confronted would you go on a rant about how labels are stupid and you are who you are (even though that's truly what we wanna say, but still..) . If you're straight, I guess it doesn't matter if you wanna talk about things. I like to see other LGBT's opinions on gay marriage, and basically the rights. Or you can talk about your life? It doesn't matter.
I also want to find a trans on this site. That would make life way awesomer :)

professor plum February 20th, 2010 8:16 PM

Sigh. Another thread like this =3=;
They sprout up from time to time :c

I'm gay. I've only recently been open IRL about it, but I've admitted it to myself for the past 6 or 7 years lol. (:
Personally, I'm for gay marriage. I want to get married one day. I want to adopt children one day. I want to have a somewhat normal life. Except with a guy. D:
Is that too much to ask? ):

Cloche February 20th, 2010 8:18 PM

I'm semi-bisexual. If I fell in love with another woman, then yes, there would be a possibility, I just am more attracted to males. I watch and enjoy Yuri / Yaoi (shonen ai / shojou ai), so I guess I'm pansexual as well, as I see if you love someone, it shouldn't matter what gender they are.

Eurydice February 20th, 2010 8:31 PM

im a lesbian. i have told my friends but not my family, they are kinda anti-gay. so i figure i will wait until i move out to tell them.
i think that gays should be aloud to marry. love is love, it shouldnt matter what gender they are.

Spikey-Eared Pichu February 20th, 2010 8:40 PM

I'm gay, proud to be. I'm deeply in love with a guy who's sexually confused (I'm very...hoplessly romantic, I guess, lol). I love yaoi =3 Hahah and I'm a very open person. I'll talk to pretty much anyone who needs advice or just wants to talk.

Link to my thoughts on the gay stereotype:
http://www.pokecommunity.com/showpost.php?p=5436435&postcount=32

Objection! February 20th, 2010 8:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cloud 9 (Post 5569327)
I want to find others on PC, because labels are a part of our life, let's just try to cope with it and talk to others like us.

I don't know why but that statement sounded wrong to me...

Isn't the whole point of the Gay Rights thing to make gays and bisexuals seen as everybody else? If somebody is straight you generally don't say they're straight, it's just basically a defualt category that has to be proven wrong.

Isn't the goal to add all the others to that so nothing has to be proven wrong, as being gay is the same as being straight? I dunno, that's how I percieved it.

So you're saying that you're always going to be labeled that way, and that's OK, because it's all in the job description? That sound pretty prejudiced.

And you say like us in a wierd sort of context. Are you implying that you're different from everybody else? Stranger? Better? More open-minded?

You probably don't mean it that way, but that's kind of how it came off to me. I don't really care about gay marriage either way, being raised in a pretty much neutral area, just as long as nobody tries to convert me...

Um... that's about all I have to say, so... carry on, I guess.

P.S. What's a Transexual?

EDIT: Oh. M-kay.

Spikey-Eared Pichu February 20th, 2010 8:55 PM

Transexual-Someone who undergoes sexual reassignment surgery and has an active sex life as a member of the opposite gender. Or, someone who dresses and acts like a member of the opposite gender both during their daily lives, and during sex.

Kura February 20th, 2010 9:08 PM

I'm completely straight and I personally think that most people on PC are gay to be honest with you. It wont be hard to find a community.

I'm thinking of starting a straight club or something because there's a gblt one and I think it's wrong to leave people out.

xLogan February 20th, 2010 9:10 PM

Wellllllllllll...I'm bi, technically. However, I tend to like guys more most of the time. They're usually easier for me to understand, but that's probably because I'm a guy myself?
I've dug//dated girls in the past, and it never really seemed like it was right for me when I dated them. I'm not sure how to explain it...

Shiny February 20th, 2010 9:11 PM

We're renaming Pokecommunity, Gaycommunity.

I'm gay myself, and I'm only open to afew friends. I'm partially a gay activist, I believe we should have the same rights as any other couple.

Objection! February 20th, 2010 9:14 PM

@ Kura: Dude, did you even read my post? Most people are generally straight, and I don't think liking Pokemon makes you gay. Though Pocket Monsters could sound suspicious...

*Shakes Head*

There are plenty of straight people here, most likely the larger percentage. Where in the world did you get the idea that most people on PC were gay?

That club would be a waste of this forum's space. This club is for people who aren't really accepted, or want to talk to somebody with the same tastes as them. In a straight club there would be nothing to talk about.

You don't get thrown out of your house for being straight. You don't lose respect in people's eyes for being straight. It would be pointless.

Dukey February 20th, 2010 9:17 PM

It's a surprisingly large amount, Objection! xD;

Vyro February 20th, 2010 9:18 PM

The great and powerful lord Darkly the straight laughs at you all.

Shiny February 20th, 2010 9:19 PM

I'm going to ask, but why would you laugh at us?

xLogan February 20th, 2010 9:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Objection! (Post 5569499)
You don't get thrown out of your house for being straight. You don't lose respect in people's eyes for being straight. It would be pointless.


Too true. What would the "straight community" discuss anyway? I'm kinda curious on that.

Objection! February 20th, 2010 9:21 PM

Ramen: Yes, but a few dozen compared to the thousands on this forum isn't much. Also, is that a smiley or a sad face?

Darkly: You say you are darkly straight, does that mean you are sour about being straight? Perhaps deep down you do want to make out with hawt guys. XD

Logan: That's what I'm saying.

Vyro February 20th, 2010 9:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by entrancer. (Post 5569514)
I'm going to ask, but why would you laugh at us?

Not for your sexual preferences, but because you feel that you should hide it.

Objection! February 20th, 2010 9:25 PM

Darkly: Are you sure about that? Because that would imply that:

A) You're gay and very open about it, in which case you see these people as weak-willed.

B) You think that just because they're gay doesn't mean they should hide it, which could be seen as hypocritical

xLogan February 20th, 2010 9:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darkly the flygon (Post 5569524)
Not for your sexual preferences, but because you feel that you should hide it.


Dude, it's not as easy as you'd think to come out and be open about it. My dad had a fit when he found out I had a bf and pretty much forced us to break up before he sent me to live with my mom so I couldn't see my now ex anymore.

Shiny February 20th, 2010 9:26 PM

We don't feel we should hide it, in most cases we have to. People are killed for being gay.

And Logan, that sucks : (

Objection! February 20th, 2010 9:29 PM

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Originally Posted by entrancer. (Post 5569537)
We don't feel we should hide it, in most cases we have to. People are killed for being gay.

And Logan, that sucks : (

Hey, I'm all for you guys, and I support you, but that's untrue.

Perhaps years back when you could get killed for being black as well, but not in this day and age. Sure, there's the occasional mugging-gone-wrong, but that happens to straight people too.

It may seem that way for those of you seen as outcasts, but straight people get treated about the same as gay people in that respect.

Shiny February 20th, 2010 9:30 PM

When was the last time someone was killed for being straight I wonder.

ソラ February 20th, 2010 9:32 PM

I'm Pansexual. (At first I thought I was bi :X )
But, Yeah. I like someone for who they are, not by gender or looks.

Objection! February 20th, 2010 9:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by entrancer. (Post 5569549)
When was the last time someone was killed for being straight I wonder.

That's my point. Nobody has been killed for being gay either, at least in this decade.

Shiny February 20th, 2010 9:34 PM

Wrong, Lawrence Fobes King was killed for being gay,

Click.

xLogan February 20th, 2010 9:35 PM

It was pretty terrible...:( But, my mom is fine with it, unlike my dad. It happened like, a year ago, and she's still waaaay pissed that he'd do that to me. :/

And, yeah. People aren't killed for being straight. At least, not that I've heard of.

Kura February 20th, 2010 9:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Objection! (Post 5569499)
@ Kura: Dude, did you even read my post? Most people are generally straight, and I don't think liking Pokemon makes you gay. Though Pocket Monsters could sound suspicious...

*Shakes Head*

There are plenty of straight people here, most likely the larger percentage. Where in the world did you get the idea that most people on PC were gay?

That club would be a waste of this forum's space. This club is for people who aren't really accepted, or want to talk to somebody with the same tastes as them. In a straight club there would be nothing to talk about.

You don't get thrown out of your house for being straight. You don't lose respect in people's eyes for being straight. It would be pointless.

Obviously most people are generally straight but there's a significant gay community on this forum, and many of the regulars are gay hence why I said most people here are gay. Just a thing I've noticed from being an old member from 2004 and someone who comes on PC at least twice a week. Liking pokemon doesn't have anything to do with sexual preferences.

I personally feel that saying that a club for straight people is a waste of space almost seems like a weird type of discrimination against a majority of people. I'm sorry that I find it actually somewhat offensive. I would think that in a straight club people could talk about how they might have trouble understanding the opposite sex or trying to get a girlfriend or boyfriend.. why should a club only be for gblt and not one for everyone?

Some people actually do scoff at people who are straight.. some people are starting to insist that everyone is at least somewhat bi. Although it may not be as drastic as getting kicked out of the house or anything, sometimes straight people actually get outcasted from a group of gay friends (I speak from experience) because they don't want to be so outwardly blatant about their sexuality. Although not all gblt are like this, I can speak from experience that there are some that are.

In short, if someone is gonna make a club, why should it be restricted to only a certain type of sexuality? Straight people have relationship problems too.

I'm not saying this to diss gay people or anything, I just wish that everyone could be fair to each other. I hate how a lot of people are currently separating gays from straights and I think that sexuality shouldn't even matter when it comes to making friends and getting along with people.

In short, I don't appreciate you shaking your head at me because I feel disrespected. I hope I am not being treated differently FOR the reason that I am not gay like you (I don't think this is the case, but I just wanted to make sure), and I hope now that you see what I had to say in a different, more rounded context.

Objection! February 20th, 2010 9:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Sorafune (Post 5569563)
On the contrary, I would say less than say a handful of states in America support gay marriage. In this day and age, people are still touchy about homosexuality, unfortunately.

I didn't say that everyone was OK with it, I said nobody kills people for being gay.

@ Whoever You Are: That's the exception that proves the rule. It was an idiotic teenager most likely overun with hormones. It's not OK, but that doesn't happen much at all anymore.

Quote:

Obviously most people are generally straight but there's a significant gay community on this forum, and many of the regulars are gay hence why I said most people here are gay. Just a thing I've noticed from being an old member from 2004 and someone who comes on PC at least twice a week. Liking pokemon doesn't have anything to do with sexual preferences.

I personally feel that saying that a club for straight people is a waste of space almost seems like a weird type of discrimination against a majority of people. I'm sorry that I find it actually somewhat offensive. I would think that in a straight club people could talk about how they might have trouble understanding the opposite sex or trying to get a girlfriend or boyfriend.. why should a club only be for gblt and not one for everyone?

Some people actually do scoff at people who are straight.. some people are starting to insist that everyone is at least somewhat bi. Although it may not be as drastic as getting kicked out of the house or anything, sometimes straight people actually get outcasted from a group of gay friends (I speak from experience) because they don't want to be so outwardly blatant about their sexuality. Although not all gblt are like this, I can speak from experience that there are some that are.

In short, if someone is gonna make a club, why should it be restricted to only a certain type of sexuality? Straight people have relationship problems too.

I'm not saying this to diss gay people or anything, I just wish that everyone could be fair to each other. I hate how a lot of people are currently separating gays from straights and I think that sexuality shouldn't even matter when it comes to making friends and getting along with people.

In short, I don't appreciate you shaking your head at me because I feel disrespected. I hope I am not being treated differently FOR the reason that I am not gay like you (I don't think this is the case, but I just wanted to make sure), and I hope now that you see what I had to say in a different, more rounded context.
Ok, I'll answer this piece by piece, in no particular order.

I'm not gay, I was speaking for gay people and if you'll read my first post you'll see it said "as long as they don't try to convert me..."

I shook my head at my own Pocket Monsters comment, not you.

I understand where you're coming from, but those threads should be clubs on, like you said, getting a girlfriend or boyfriend, and not generaliz to a sexuality. You say you don't wants gays and straights to be differentialized, yet your first suggestion does just that.

I also understand the outcast part, there is a particular group of gays at school that basically harass everybody else, and get off for being "misunderstood", or "in emotional turmoil".

The club idea's themselves are fine, just take out the "You have to be straight" part, and I'm fine with it.

Shiny February 20th, 2010 9:40 PM

You can't say, "it never happens." Yet when I prove you wrong, say it's the exception.

xLogan February 20th, 2010 9:41 PM

Well, yeah. Straight people do have relationship issues. That's a given, considering everyone gets those. But, still. Straight people don't have to worry about some things, such as digging on another straight person, but you can't tell them because you're freaked that they'll flip out because you're the same gender.

Dirtyjerry February 20th, 2010 9:49 PM

I'm not gay or bisexual, but I do believe that if you love someone you should be with them. Love shouldn't have restrictions.

Objection! February 20th, 2010 9:50 PM

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Originally Posted by entrancer. (Post 5569579)
You can't say, "it never happens." Yet when I prove you wrong, say it's the exception.

I didn't say it never happens, I said they're not any different from straight murders.

You dug that up on Wikipedia, but do you know how many school-shootings kill straight people as opposed to gays? That ratio would be roughly 10:1.

It's chance. Just because one kid doesn't like a resident gay doesn't mean ten more straights won't be killed just for being at school. In fact, there are probably more angry gays shooting up places than homophobics.

And yes, I can. If you find two or three more RECENT incidents like that and then tell me no gays have gotten angry and killed straights, I will concede. Until then, it is an exception.

Sorafune: I meant straight people shooting people specifically because they're gay.

Logan: No, but we do have to worry whether or not they'll talk to us, reject us, humiliate us, ect. Gays just have an extra barrier to the numerous ones everybody must face.

Harmonie February 20th, 2010 9:53 PM

If you're looking for a trans you've found one... >_<

Shiny February 20th, 2010 9:54 PM

Yes, straight people die all the time, but they are not targeted for being gay. That's all I'm saying.

Feign February 20th, 2010 9:55 PM

Soooooooooooo

funny that this came up today...

I just came out to my sister as being gay (today, though it had nothing to do with this thread).

She took it very well...

I think I have been feeling this way since elementary school... Though never had teh courage to bring it up, until a friend helped me.

The funny thing is, before I accepted it myself (as being gay), I had thought of myself as being bi, as though I was trying to legitimate the fact that if I were bi, I could still have a wife and a child or something like that... Now I am past that self denial.

:)

Objection! February 20th, 2010 9:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by entrancer. (Post 5569611)
Yes, straight people die all the time, but they are not targeted for being gay. That's all I'm saying.

Did you even read my post?

Plenty of straights get killed by angry gays for being straight. An outcast will come to school and search out the person who outcasted them. They'll see somebody identified as straight, and kill them.

Most of the time they're innocent. So yes, straights do get killed for being straight.

Kura February 20th, 2010 9:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xLogan (Post 5569580)
Well, yeah. Straight people do have relationship issues. That's a given, considering everyone gets those. But, still. Straight people don't have to worry about some things, such as digging on another straight person, but you can't tell them because you're freaked that they'll flip out because you're the same gender.

Yeah that's pretty true. There are a lot of homophobes out there.

I've actually found that in college, there are more people open to the gay community than back in highschool. I think that a lot of people should be more mature in highschool.. but then again, I can't change that.

I actually find it quite hurtful when a friend comes out of the closet, and then doesn't want to socialize with you anymore and then they start to hang out with another group of friends that conveniently happen to also be gay.
Sure this is a personal experience, but it goes both ways.

I just feel like when a gay comes out of the closet and they get outcasted for their sexuality then it's almost like a whole other situation..
but isn't it basically the same thing? Why is it different if the gay gets outcasted than if the straight person gets outcasted from friends?

I wish that people would just see everyone as just people. That's why I guess it bothers me when people feel that they should have a club or group or gathering and not include everyone. It reminds me of highschool and people who leave their friends just because they don't have the same sexual preferences as each other.

Why would people want to encourage that? I think it's sooo hurtful. If anything you guys should make a gblt support group for people who are having trouble. I'd totally be for that.


Edit: Objection, yeah I agree with you, and I apologise for that mixup, I misread your post and I thought you were gay.

インフェルノの津波 February 20th, 2010 10:02 PM

Um...let me think...Straight?

Oh well. I like guys as friends. It had nothing to do with genders, mind you. But guys are really a turn off, especially where I live.

Also, girls are more fun then guys, they think more, they know what to say, most are considerate, etc. Guys are like this, but most aren't.

I'll know I'm gay when I start thinking about one of my friends...more then often.

Timbjerr February 20th, 2010 10:03 PM

I'm not gay or bi or trans or anything like that...if anything I might just be sexually oblivious or outright asexual. (That revelation may be a shock to old skool PC members that remember my newbie days with my perverted Brock-like persona XD)

I'm not a big fan of marriage to begin with, let alone gay marriage. I believe that if you love someone you don't need to prove it with a legal document. Both parties will know that the love is there and there's no point in trying to prove it to anyone.

Despite my history of flaming PC's gay community when I was younger and more immature, I will stand up to defend the gay community if the need ever arises nowadays. XD

Objection! February 20th, 2010 10:03 PM

Kura: But you said in your first post that you wanted to make a straight club, you could have said the you wanted to expand this one to deal with the things you just listed! I feel your pain, I really do, but you're not making any sense.

I agree with you completely, and I think it's wrong that some people think that just because they're gay they're not good enough for us. Or, most likely, we're not good enough for them. It's messed up and stupid, but that's life.

Kura February 20th, 2010 10:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Objection! (Post 5569627)
Kura: But you said in your first post that you wanted to make a straight club, you could have said the you wanted to expand this one to deal with the things you just listed! I feel your pain, I really do, but you're not making any sense.

I agree with you completely, and I think it's wrong that some people think that just because they're gay they're not good enough for us. Or, most likely, we're not good enough for them. It's messed up and stupid, but that's life.

I hope you're not trying to fight.. cause.. I basically brought up wanting a straight club because I felt like well.. if gays have a club, why can't straights have one too? So basically I felt like no one should be left out.

But thinking about it again, I thought that instead of making a gay club for gay people to talk, it'd be better more to have a gay support group, so that ANYONE could join and offer help to people in tough situations about sexuality.

Then I thought about it again and figured.. hell why not just make a club just for all relationship problems whether gay or straight instead of two separate ones.

Hopefully that cleared up me not making any sense.

Vyro February 20th, 2010 10:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Objection! (Post 5569532)
Darkly: Are you sure about that? Because that would imply that:

A) You're gay and very open about it, in which case you see these people as weak-willed.

B) You think that just because they're gay doesn't mean they should hide it, which could be seen as hypocritical

B. There is no reason for them to hide it.

Esper February 20th, 2010 10:26 PM

I've been attracted to people of both sexes, but I don't consider myself bi-, pan-, or omni- or anything-sexual. I don't like labels, I like people.

I don't think marriage matters if you love someone, but as long as it exists as an institution and people still want to get married I think everyone should have the option of marrying who they want to.

Objection! February 20th, 2010 10:30 PM

Darkly: In some cases and areas there actually is. I'm assuming you've picked hypocritical, so I'll elaborate:

Some parents or guardians are strictly against gayness, or are christians, which makes them unreliable sources to confide to.

Many friend groups laugh and joke about gay people all the time. Not in the good way. Would you tell all of your "Haha! He's gay! What a weirdo!" friends if you were gay?

I brought that comment down so much due to the rules here it actually looks fairly ridiculous. Anyways, it's harder for some than it is for others.

Feign February 20th, 2010 10:36 PM

Yeah to add, people think too much into the reprocussions, it is only natural. Someone not in that position would not understand... Plus there are those who are still in self-denial...

Just think, if you had a fundamentalist Christian family, and they support you otherwise monetarily etc. If you told them you were gay, they'd probably kick you out... We as humans don't want to feel that sort of rejection ever.

インフェルノの津波 February 20th, 2010 10:42 PM

For people like me, since I'm a Muslim, I can't be gay anyway. According to my religions laws, if I become gay, I'm an abomination of the earth.

Objection! February 20th, 2010 10:54 PM

Ouch. Well, if you're Christian, you're an affront to God. And for Christians, that's basically the same thing as being an abomination of the world.

Harmonie February 20th, 2010 10:56 PM

Oh yeah, being gay is a sin. Just like a million other things that so many Christians conveniently "forget about".

Dukey February 20th, 2010 10:56 PM

If you're catholic, it really isn't up to you /shot.

Objection! February 20th, 2010 11:00 PM

Hey, I'm not saying I agree with them, I'm just saying that's what their ideals are. They're neither good or bad.

Feign February 20th, 2010 11:06 PM

I plan to tell my mom pretty soon :3

My dad will be another story though... (he believes people chose to be gay).

Objection! February 20th, 2010 11:12 PM

Well, you do choose. Just like you choose to be straight.

I don't believe in that "love at first sight" stuff. I can understand attraction or lust, but when it all comes down to it, you're making a choice. Those gay jerks at my school pressure kids to change sexuality's all the time, but they don't because they choose to be straight. Just like the bullies choose to be gay.

It may be a matter of opinion on my part, but you're brain can't see one person and process:

"OMG, I LOVE THAT PERSON, I'M TOTALLY INTO _____'S NOW!"

It doesn't work that way, though I do sympathize with you.

DonRoyale February 20th, 2010 11:16 PM

Yeah, I'm gay. I've had it as one of the points of my signature for a pretty long time now, actually. XD

However, one thing I really hate having to argue is why we shouldn't be afraid of our sexuality and just come out and say it. If you've never had to deal with the weight of keeping such a dark secret from the people you (arguably) care the most about, please don't just blatantly post "you should all just say it"; it's ignorant and, IMO, very rude.

People think it's just a matter of saying it and being done with it. If it were that easy, I would have told my parents right when I figured it out.

At 14, I thought I was bisexual simply because I couldn't accept myself as being homosexual. Now how could anyone expect me to tell my parents, my rather masculine friends, and my overtly "cool" acquaintances, when I'm an insecure teenager in high school, unsure of how anyone would react to it, and having to bear the added weight of homophobic slurs on top of the ridicule I had to put up with? I wasn't ready to tell myself I was gay, much less my parents.

I mean, both know now, but it took me 3 years to tell myself I was gay, and another two to tell my mom; and almost another year after that to tell my dad. A lot of it is insecurity; some people don't understand what's not the norm.

With others, it's simply a matter of the environment you're in. My family is extremely liberal, so thank God both of my parents accept me (pardon the pun), but some families are religious to the point where, if you're upfront about it, you're treated like an animal. It's not the easiest thing to say with how society still views it in general. You might be seeing a lot more widespread acceptance of it, but until we get marriage legalized in the US, it'll be pretty clear on how society as a whole stands on it. As sad a reality as it is, a lot of fear of coming out has to do with society's view on it as a whole, whether you, your friends, or your parents are the ones who share society's view of things.

tl;dr: it's not as easy as you'd like to believe it is. blatantly saying "come out already" isn't gonna make us come out any faster; we'll say it when we're damn well ready, kthnx.

Harmonie February 20th, 2010 11:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Objection! (Post 5569735)
Well, you do choose. Just like you choose to be straight.

No... You do not choose who you are sexually attracted to.

Why do people even doubt this? I know that some people don't understand what sexuality really means and they think that being able to tell if somebody is attractive or not means that they are attracted to them, but no, we DO NOT choose what sex we are attracted to in that way.

Jesus oƒ Suburbia February 20th, 2010 11:21 PM

Why do I get the feeling that 'Objection' was made for this thread? >_>
I'm bisexual, I was born like that.
It's just your guardians who make you believe that everyone is straight and ****.
That's my opinion.
Don't kill me for having an opinion. >:

DonRoyale February 20th, 2010 11:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Objection! (Post 5569735)
Well, you do choose. Just like you choose to be straight.

When will people realize that this is not something you can control? You don't wake up saying to yourself "I'm going to be homosexual today." You are or you aren't. If you've seen someone change, it's likely because they're insecure about their own identity and are trying to find themselves by seeing what they like and what they don't. It's not a matter of choice; it's a matter of finding where you feel you're most comfortable.

I mean, we all love to pick the side of the spectrum where we have to endure being looked at as prissy little queens who take it up the behind, hairstyle every famous artist imaginable, and sound like a fat tramp from the 60's. (I'm sure the female side can paint a more colorful picture than my idea of "butch biker lesbian" as the ridiculous stereotype.)

Rebelling against society's norms, eff yeah!

...Seeing a problem here? I sure am.

Objection! February 20th, 2010 11:38 PM

Quote:

No... You do not choose who you are sexually attracted to.
I never said you do. I said you don't automatically choose which gender you would like to most... erm...

Anyway, it's a matter of subconciously deciding what type of person you would most like to be with, and then following up on that.

You aren't born as anything. When you're born you could be the next Abraham Linchon or the second coming of Adolf Hitler. You are influenced and you make decisions.

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When will people realize that this is not something you can control? You don't wake up saying to yourself "I'm going to be homosexual today." You are or you aren't. If you've seen someone change, it's likely because they're insecure about their own identity and are trying to find themselves by seeing what they like and what they don't. It's not a matter of choice; it's a matter of finding where you feel you're most comfortable.

I mean, we all love to pick the side of the spectrum where we have to endure being looked at as prissy little queens who take it up the behind, hairstyle every famous artist imaginable, and sound like a fat tramp from the 60's. (I'm sure the female side can paint a more colorful picture than my idea of "butch biker lesbian" as the ridiculous stereotype.)

Rebelling against society's norms, eff yeah!
Yes, you can make your own decisions. You are not born gay or straight, you are not born predetermined to take it up the behind or chase poon. It's all about decisisons.

The way you live your life can influence you, and you can't just run around screaming "I can't control it! Don't look at me, I'm just fate's ragdoll to toss around as she pleases!"

You need to stand up for yourself and say "Yes, I did choose to be gay. I did choose to live this way, and I won't let any of you idiots put me down!"

I'm not saying it''s easy, but you can't use that excuse every damn time.

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Why do I get the feeling that 'Objection' was made for this thread? >_>
I wasn't made for anything, I've merely become interested with this thread.

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I'm bisexual, I was born like that.
Bullcrap. Read the above.

Shiny February 20th, 2010 11:41 PM

Scientists have proven that gay people are born like that, and it's not any factor of their choosing.

Objection! February 20th, 2010 11:43 PM

I don't believe you. Prove it.

And even if they did, how would they explain Bisexuals?

helix February 20th, 2010 11:45 PM

If I must plaster a title on myself, well, I'm pansexual.
In my opinion, attraction is something that occurs, unrestricted by biological gender or otherwise. It shouldn't be suppressed or denied, and it just happens quite naturally- your tastes align with the person and attraction happens.
I choose to keep my preferences to myself because any sort of same-gender attraction is rejected in the country I live in, and can even be persecuted. I don't want to be judged or stuck with labels merely because I am not exclusive to feeling attraction towards one gender.

DonRoyale February 20th, 2010 11:45 PM

Why would anyone consent to decide to be a label of society and take all the ridicule and stereotypes that come with that?

Like, I didn't choose this. I chose to be bisexual, it didn't work for me because I just never thought about women that way...

By your logic, you can choose to be gay, though. Ask your parents, your friends; "What if I was gay?", and tell me the answers you get.

And try forcing yourself to be attracted to the same sex.

It doesn't work. Period.

Shiny February 20th, 2010 11:47 PM

You prove me wrong, prove to me that people make their own decision to be gay.

Objection! February 20th, 2010 11:52 PM

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Why would anyone consent to decide to be a label of society and take all the ridicule and stereotypes that come with that?

Like, I didn't choose this. I chose to be bisexual, it didn't work for me because I just never thought about women that way...

By your logic, you can choose to be gay, though. Ask your parents, your friends; "What if I was gay?", and tell me the answers you get.

And try forcing yourself to be attracted to the same sex.

It doesn't work. Period.
You're not listening. If I wished to be attracted to men, I could be, but I don't want to be, so I'm not.

I am fully aware of what their reactions would be, don't play the victim card with me.

You would consent to being a label of society so that you could move to erase those labels. You're saying it's wrong, so by your logic Martin Luthur King Jr. was wrong.

You would stand up to the jack***'s that decided to make fun of you because you were different. You would set an example, saying that you were strong, and you weren't less than they were.

I'm not urging you to, because I realize how difficult that would be, but I'd rather you do that before saying "I can't control it, I was born that way."

Because that is untrue.

entrancer: Heh, I should go first to prove you wrong even though you were the one who brought up the topic first. Well, if you'll read any of my previous posts on the subject, you'll see my reasoning.

We aren't robots prepackaged to be certain things. We make our own choices and we have to accept them.

Tyrantrum February 20th, 2010 11:54 PM

I'm straight. I don't care if someone is gay or not, and I was friends with them. Wouldn't bother me one bit.

Luck February 20th, 2010 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Objection! (Post 5569772)
I don't believe you. Prove it.

And even if they did, how would they explain Bisexuals?

When a woman has babies, her body treats the baby as a virus of some sort and produces estrogen. It becomes easier for the female body to do so after having more male babies. Almost every science institute agrees that this happens mostly through the role of genes.
Well, that and I don't think anyone wakes up in the morning and says 'I think I'll just switch sexual preferences.' I have never met anyone who thinks like that.

Objection! February 21st, 2010 12:02 AM

The amount of estrogen or testosterom in ones body does not effect anybody's sexual preferences. I know, I asked it in Health class awhile ago. XD Case and point: I have 3 older brothers and not one of us is gay.

I did not say you change at the drop of the hat. I said gradually through changes a decisions on your part, you become straight, or gay, or bisexual.

Don: No, I did not mean my unfortunate pairing of words that way. I meant in general. Like a rapist must live with his sins, a burglar must deal with his guilt, and a lawyer must live with the fact that he is ruining people's lives.

I didn't mean it that way. People are saying you're born gay or straight, which in my opinion, isn't true. I was implying that it wasn't predestined for me to be straight, and if during my life I had felt attracted to men, I could have turned out gay. Nothing is set in stone.

I have gone through it fyi, my previous school was non too sure of which "team I played for", and my social life suffered for it. But I didn't let them put me down, and it eventually blew over because they knew I didn't care.

It's helping to erase it because back when being black was a crime, Martin Luther King, Jr. embraced the colour of his skin, and it inspired other people. I'm not saying you need to do something on such a large scale, Ii'm actually not saying you have to do anything, but I'm saying that's what I see a strong-willed homosexual doing.

This is all a matter of opinion, you must remember that. That, and the fact that I'm not calling you out, I'm perticipating in this thread, not trying to make anybody feel bad.

Ausaudriel: Dang, it does? Well, I apologize for that.

DonRoyale February 21st, 2010 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Objection! (Post 5569786)
You're not listening. If I wished to be attracted to men, I could be, but I don't want to be, so I'm not.

You're the one not listening. I said in an earlier post that I wished I was attracted to women back in my teenage years. I tried it. It didn't work. Regardless of how much I tried to like women, I always felt awkward and uncomfortable around them.

And why exactly don't you want to be gay today, Mr. Objection!? Is it because you don't feel you're attracted to men? Guess what, I'm not attracted to women. But I can at least say I've made the attempt. Until you do, your point remains invalid to me.

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Originally Posted by Objection! (Post 5569786)
I am fully aware of what their reactions would be, don't play the victim card with me.

Then do it. It becomes a whole different game when you're the victim, regardless of the degree to which you're said victim. Everyone doesn't treat you the same, accepting or not; you're suddenly "the gay guy", "the gay one", etc.

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Originally Posted by Objection! (Post 5569786)
You would consent to being a label of society so that you could move to erase those labels. You're saying it's wrong, so by your logic Martin Luthur King Jr. was wrong.

Consenting to a label to erase it? Pardon? How is that doing anything to erase it? You're doing society a favor by painting a target on your forehead.

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Originally Posted by Objection! (Post 5569786)
You would stand up to the jack***'s that decided to make fun of you because you were different. You would set an example, saying that you were strong, and you weren't less than they were.

Some people don't feel the need to be a martyr for people who are too insecure to outright say it themselves. If you want something that'll help push people out of the closet, and be a trailblazer, how about this: Get the world in general to stop being so damn ignorant about it. Maybe that oughta help.

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Originally Posted by Objection! (Post 5569786)
I'm not urging you to, because I realize how difficult that would be, but I'd rather you do that before saying "I can't control it, I was born that way."

Because that is untrue.

OK, as of tomorrow, I'm going to stop thinking about how attracted I am to guys. I'm going to become straight, and be attracted to women.

Because clearly, that works with everybody.

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Originally Posted by Objection! (Post 5569786)
We aren't robots prepackaged to be certain things. We make our own choices and we have to accept them.

You have worded this extremely poorly. You say that as if there are consequences for "choosing to be gay", which is the most ridiculous argument I've ever heard due to how utterly ignorant it is. If you have simply said the wrong thing, that's fine, but as is, you have made an extremely poor choice of words. And if you mean it, I downright pity your ignorance. :|

DonRoyale February 21st, 2010 12:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Ausaudriel (Post 5569860)
There are a surprisingly large number of gay people around here... it's actually funny sometimes. XD;

Part of me wants to ironically blame this on the fact that society at large thinks Pokemon's "gay". XD

RE: That argument:
*shrug* k =D

Feign February 21st, 2010 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Ausaudriel (Post 5569860)
Gay and been through the birth vs. choice debate with far bigger fish than Objection, etc., so I'm not going to get into it on PokeCommunity of all places. Looks trollish anyway.

There are a surprisingly large number of gay people around here... it's actually funny sometimes. XD;

It does seem a bit trollish indeed :3

It is funny, indeed.

I'm still laughing at the fact that this thread was made on the same day I came out (or at least am starting to).

Serene Grace February 21st, 2010 12:56 AM

I'm straight. I've just never found myself attracted to men and even having sex with them seems slightly repulsive. But then, meh, that's just me. I respect gays because they get so much hassle for who they are. Sometimes I think it's the same as racial discrimination except maybe there are no groups out there to kill them. Most of my friends are gay, and I don't judge them - they are people not to be judged by their sexuality but by who they are.

Haza February 21st, 2010 1:02 AM

Seriously, the majority of Pokemon forums are run by us... and soon, the WORLD! Naw Im kidding... what r re talkin about???

Feign February 21st, 2010 1:03 AM

I think the funny thing is, as it is also a misconception, is that all gays like gay sex. I don't find that enitrely true... It's just like a relationship between a guy and a girl, it doesn't mean that the guy just wants to see her naked or something, and have sex with her (at least with serious relationships).

While sex does come, for the most part, part and parcel with being in a relationship, it isn't necessarily the end all thing... Even then, I know I'd rather go slow... Find a cute guy and go from there... Kind of like how a guy might go with a girl.

Of course there can be the whole talk of alternatives, especially for girls, but that's something else.

That's how I feel anyway, I don't feel overtly sexually charged or whatever.

Reina February 21st, 2010 1:57 AM

Just figured I'd jump in here after reading up on it.

I'm straight and have plenty of bi / gay friends and don't discriminate against them for it. Most of them are completely like my straight friends; of course, their personality not being decided by their sexuality. Except for one... I know the post above me by Feign brought up that they don't all like gay sex, but there was a short (about a week?) point in my life where I got angry with the idea of homosexuals in general because of this one fellow.

He's still my friend now, even though he gets on my nerves quite often. Every time we have a conversation, he somehow brings up gay sex. Not sex in general, just gay sex. It disturbs me, actually. I tell him "Just because I'm straight doesn't mean I bring up straight sex all the time". He gets angry with people for making fun of him for being gay, and I tried to explain that the fact that he always says things such as "buttsex!" and "gaysex!" randomly doesn't exactly help his case.

..of course, like I said before, I realized that this was just him in particular and of course have nothing against LGBT.

magikarptrainer February 21st, 2010 3:57 AM

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Originally Posted by entrancer. (Post 5569579)
You can't say, "it never happens." Yet when I prove you wrong, say it's the exception.

Well, the point is people are struck by lightning. But that doesn't mean we live in fear of it happening. Because it is so incredibly unlikely.


Having said that. If I was gay, I would probably be very controlled about what I displayed. Not out of fear of physical harm, but just petty discrimination.

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Originally Posted by entrancer. (Post 5569769)
Scientists have proven that gay people are born like that, and it's not any factor of their choosing.


You certainly don't choose to be gay. At the same time, you are not born gay, and there is no science that proves that. When you are born, you are not even sexually developed. You have at minimum 10 years of biological, social and psychological influences before sexuality starts to develop.

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Originally Posted by Feign (Post 5569880)
I think the funny thing is, as it is also a misconception, is that all gays like gay sex. I don't find that enitrely true... It's just like a relationship between a guy and a girl, it doesn't mean that the guy just wants to see her naked or something, and have sex with her (at least with serious relationships).

If we're talking about an adult relationship. Then sexuality is a huge part, regardless, gay,straight,whatever

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Originally Posted by Reina (Post 5569930)

He's still my friend now, even though he gets on my nerves quite often. Every time we have a conversation, he somehow brings up gay sex. Not sex in general, just gay sex. It disturbs me, actually. I tell him "Just because I'm straight doesn't mean I bring up straight sex all the time". He gets angry with people for making fun of him for being gay, and I tried to explain that the fact that he always says things such as "buttsex!" and "gaysex!" randomly doesn't exactly help his case.

Yeah, I totally understand. It's a really awkward, uncomfortable situation. It's nothing to do with him being gay, just a bit socially slow. We use different topics of conversation depending who we are talking to. It's because we know what our friends/peers/etc are interested in or what's appropriate to talk about with them. Some just DON'T get it.

The Cynic February 21st, 2010 4:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Envy II (Post 5569714)
Oh yeah, being gay is a sin. Just like a million other things that so many Christians conveniently "forget about".

Christianity is hilarious when it comes to homosexuality. Christian homophobes always quote Leviticus 18, completely overlooking the fact that Leviticus 11 prohibits the eating of pigs. Last time I checked the majority of Christians will happily eat bacon.

I'm pretty sure I'm straight. I thought I was bisexual during my teenage years before concluding that men were actually not that great.

My motto in life: "Try everything once. Except incest and folk dancing."

I heavilly dislike the using of "gay" as an insult. People use it as a sort of swear word you can get away with.

In the UK, and in most of Europe, homosexuality is tolerated 100% and we have actually got to the point where the country adores gay men as style icons and lesbian women as comedians. I'm not sure if this is right or not, but at least it shows we are tolerant, if slightly stereotyping. The US is wildly different though. I don't think that some states are liberal enough to tolerate it at all *frowns at Alabama*.

I have plenty of LGB friends and I treat them as I would my straight friends. I do hate giving people labels though. We shouldn't see people as "gay" or "straight" or "curious" but by the person they are.

Weatherman, Kiyoshi February 21st, 2010 5:59 AM

Oh dear LORDY how did I miss this thread?

For anyone that actually knows who I am,
I'm gay.

I didn't choose to be attracted to males, I just am.
And I'm pretty good about it. ^^

I'm definately a guy, not a flambuoyant mess of a girl with male genitalia that the media and steryotypes make all gay people out to be.

and you know what? I'm pretty proud of it too. I mean, who the hell are you to be saying a sexuality that is just attracted to the same gender is wrong?

And about gay Marriage;
I will be married on day,
I will raise children (surrogated or adopted) one day,
And I will live my life the way I want to without somebody telling me I can't just because I am attracted to males.

And wanna know something else?
I'm a christain. :D

but not super-religious.
I just believe in God and Jesus, but I haven't gone to church since I was like, 5-ish, and I've never actually read the bible.
But this is the point: I don't believe in a bigoted God.

There is this baptist church in my community, that just HATES everyone. they even have thier website of things they believe god hates. Like Gays, mexicans, etc.
RIDICULOUS.

anyway, rant over.
How is everyone today? ^w^

XD

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Originally Posted by The Cynic (Post 5570098)
I have plenty of LGB friends and I treat them as I would my straight friends. I do hate giving people labels though. We shouldn't see people as "gay" or "straight" or "curious" but by the person they are.

This is also true.
I bet if I came out earlier than I plan to, so many people would not refer to me as they always do now.

And when I do fully come out, I bet people even in my family will refer to me as:
"*mom's name*'s gay son"
or
"*brother's or sister's name*'s gay brother"
or possibly just:
"The gay one."

WTF.
I'm gay, but that's not who I am. It's just my sexual orientation. Do you see me calling anyone "Oh, yeah, that's the straight one."?

PokemonLeagueChamp February 21st, 2010 6:08 AM

Point #1: I'm straight. Just want to make sure there is no misconceptions on that. No part of me is bi, as I find the idea of sleeping even in the same bed with another guy repulsive(though if you like that, go on ahead).

Point #2: Now, I'm not saying all LGBT folks out there need to shut up and hide away, especially considering anyone knows that ain't happening anytime soon. But, I am not an advocate for gay marriage. I don't know what the problem with unification ceremonies(I honestly don't know what they're being called right now)is. You can still call it whatever you want elsewhere. I don't see why the definition of marriage needs to be changed, when these ceremonies usually result in the same rights as straight marriages.

Point #3: I'd very much prefer not to have the argument that "everybody straight is really at least X% bi", because that's just plain wrong. I can usually tell if someone is gay, bi, or straight based on how they dress, talk, and act. I know that at least most of my straight friends are really straight. Not trying to be discriminatory, as much as it may sound like I am, but once you get good at it it's usually easier to spot differences(and I'm usually right with my observations, which I honestly find surprising).

Point #4: Not a fan of removing the "don't ask, don't tell" policy from the US military. Regardless of if you are openly LGBT, at any workplace, that is not where you express it. I wouldn't. Most people don't. It should be no different in our military.

Closing Statements: I understand the point here, but there's not a really big need for this. LGBT folks aren't being lynched or anything, and you've got your forums, groups, literature, and many other things previously unheard of. Hell, I remember calling my friend "gay"(as he was acting rather gay), and I was heard by my school's LGBT group, who harassed me for a week after that. It may not be like that everywhere, but God forbid if I said anything back, as I bet I'd have been suspended for harassment if I did. Again, I doubt it's like this everywhere, but as with race, there is a growing double standard against majority peoples(whites, straights)that forces us to hold our tongue within the constraints of poltical correctness. That kind of hypocricy, I can't stand for. Under the US Constitution, everybody has equal right to say whatever the hell they want about anyone else at any time. I personally hate political correctness. It keeps us from making rebuttals against black hatred of whites(based on crimes generally over 150 years old), and I feel it may prove true between straights and LGBTs.

I will say no more on this matter, as I am sure the result will be the same as the Debate Section on Serebii(I got my *** flamed off for expressing my beliefs). I'm not forcing anything onto anyone, but I do ask at the bare minimum that you consider what I've said.

Takoto February 21st, 2010 6:12 AM

I'm bisexual. Have been since I was about six, I started getting crushes on girls and boys alike. Gender has... never really mattered to me at all, in anyway.
In real life I'm open about my sexuality which has led to some bullying, but nothing I can't handle.
I've had one girlfriend and two boyfriends. I'm still with my boyfriend. xD

Not really sure what else to say.

Anxiety. February 21st, 2010 6:31 AM

I'm Bisexual. Guys, Girls, whatever, if they look good, and they're nice, I don't care. And most my friends can accept this, even my very christian friend.

But all the other people at school... if I come out as being bi, all the guys are gonna (and no, not might, will, you dont know my area like I do) think I want to do them up the ass. Which generally, I don't.

Ineffable~ February 21st, 2010 6:39 AM

Aha. I'm bisexual. I thought I was 100% against attraction to other guys for the longest time but I realised I don't mind calling a guy cute or whatever, as long as he's not too masculine. xD
Some may call me heteroflexible or even just "straight" since my attraction to males is almost not worth noting. I'm a one. :P
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Originally Posted by METHOD_REPLEKIA/. (Post 5569378)
I'm semi-bisexual. If I fell in love with another woman, then yes, there would be a possibility, I just am more attracted to males. I watch and enjoy Yuri / Yaoi (shonen ai / shojou ai), so I guess I'm pansexual as well, as I see if you love someone, it shouldn't matter what gender they are.

Yeah, Basically this. :3

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Originally Posted by Objection! (Post 5569499)
@ Kura: Dude, did you even read my post? Most people are generally straight, and I don't think liking Pokemon makes you gay. Though Pocket Monsters could sound suspicious...

*Shakes Head*

There are plenty of straight people here, most likely the larger percentage. Where in the world did you get the idea that most people on PC were gay?

That club would be a waste of this forum's space. This club is for people who aren't really accepted, or want to talk to somebody with the same tastes as them. In a straight club there would be nothing to talk about.

You don't get thrown out of your house for being straight. You don't lose respect in people's eyes for being straight. It would be pointless.

xD You may be surprised. There was a poll done once (in our community), and there were officially more LGBT than there were straight people. ,_, Although, perhaps gay people are just more likely to take polls. http://bleachasylum.com/images/smilies/zomg.png It's not a stereotype about Pokémon about being "only 4 fagz derher http://bleachasylum.com/images/smilies/zomg.pnghttp://bleachasylum.com/images/smilies/heehee.png"--interestingly enough, there are actually a large number of LGBT people around here. I would argue it's because the percentage of LGBT people all around is actually larger than one may think, and this is the Internet, and an open and tolerant part of it at that. People often turn to social facets of the Internet for reasons of low self-esteem, or bad social life in the real world, among others. So if not at an actual higher percentage, gays and bisexuals are more likely to be active and have an open social life around these parts. ^_^

This place is not for people who are not accepted. It's just for...people in general. With a non-mandatory common interest to unite us. :)
I would see nothing wrong with a heterosexual club. To me it just seems like you have some chips on your shoulder. :( *Gives you some salsa*


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Originally Posted by ωΣάτλξяΜäη, Kiyoshi (Post 5570202)
There is this baptist church in my community, that just HATES everyone. they even have thier website of things they believe god hates. Like Gays, mexicans, etc.
RIDICULOUS.

Lol, sounds like the Westboro Baptist Church. They hate:
•Homosexuals
•Jews
•Catholics

•Swedes
•The World
•People
•The United States
•Hawaii
•Soldiers
•Anything else they can think of

...I don't know of any official list, and the "Hawaii" thing is just because they once picketed there saying how much God hates Hawaii, but then again, God hates everything. xD

Percy Thrillington February 21st, 2010 7:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Objection! (Post 5569805)
The amount of estrogen or testosterom in ones body does not effect anybody's sexual preferences. I know, I asked it in Health class awhile ago. XD Case and point: I have 3 older brothers and not one of us is gay.

I did not say you change at the drop of the hat. I said gradually through changes a decisions on your part, you become straight, or gay, or bisexual.

'Yeah, I once asked a question about sexual orientation in high school. I assume that's enough justification to make ridiculous generalizations and stand by them.'

Sorry, but if you're gonna try having a debate, at least have some idea of what you're talking about.

Objection! February 21st, 2010 7:25 AM

-_-

My Health teacher is highly educated on the subject, just, you know, putting that out there.

If your so sure you're born a certain sexuality, and that my argument is so ridiculous, why don't you prove it?

I have nothing against you guys and I'm not calling you out, which none of you seem to get, but I want proof that you are born gay and it isn't a choice, subconcious or no.

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God loves the gays, he just doesn't particularly care for buttsecks. >_>
I'm sorry in advance to any offended, but I lol'd.

Timbjerr February 21st, 2010 7:40 AM

My two cents on the religious aspect of this debate: The Bible (or at least the Catholic study Bible I used when I was younger) never says that being homosexual is an affront to God. It's a natural anomaly present in all species of animals. The codes of Leviticus describe homsoexual sex acts as an affront to God. God loves the gays, he just doesn't particularly care for buttsecks. >_>

As long as homosexuals are lifelong celibates, they're not breaking the codes of leviticus. Not that hard, but then again, I'm possibly asexual like I stated before, so easy to me might not be easy for the majority of people. XD

.little monster February 21st, 2010 7:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Objection! (Post 5569559)
That's my point. Nobody has been killed for being gay either, at least in this decade.

Where the hell have you been living? People are beaten to death every single day for being gay, lesbian, bisexual, or trans-gender and that's just in the U.S. Half of the world's countries for instance make acting on homosexuality illegal and either imprison them or straight-up kill them. :|

Not to mention, in a lot of places such as Singapore and the Gaza Strip, homosexuality is only illegal if you're a male. But if two females love each other it's completely legal.

I hate people.

It wasn't even legal nationwide in the US until 2003.

I am gay, yeah.

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Originally Posted by Objection! (Post 5570349)
-_-

My Health teacher is highly educated on the subject, just, you know, putting that out there.

If your so sure you're born a certain sexuality, and that my argument is so ridiculous, why don't you prove it?

I have nothing against you guys and I'm not calling you out, which none of you seem to get, but I want proof that you are born gay and it isn't a choice, subconcious or no.

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I'm sorry in advance to any offended, but I lol'd.

Please, explain to me. How does homosexuality occur in other mammals? Such as Giraffes, which are known for being more homosexual than heterosexual. We are the only animal on the planet that has consciousness and can "choose." So, if other animals cant choose, but homosexuality is a choice, how do they choose to be homosexual if they cant choose?

The theory that homosexuality is a choice contradicts itself and therefore is complete bs.

Objection! February 21st, 2010 8:14 AM

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Originally Posted by t.A.T.u (Post 5570415)
Where the hell have you been living? People are beaten to death every single day for being gay, lesbian, bisexual, or trans-gender and that's just in the U.S. Half of the world's countries for instance make acting on homosexuality illegal and either imprison them or straight-up kill them. :|

It wasn't even legal nationwide in the US until 2003.

I am gay, yeah.



Please, explain to me. How does homosexuality occur in other mammals? Such as Giraffes, which are known for being more homosexual than heterosexual. We are the only animal on the planet that has consciousness and can "choose." So, if other animals cant choose, but homosexuality is a choice, how do they choose to be homosexual if they cant choose?

The theory that homosexuality is a choice contradicts itself and therefore is complete bs.

No. Maybe I should have been more specific and said homosexuality is a choice for humans. Animals aren't born homosexual either, but I'm not going to go into what goes on in their minds, becuase I don't even have an idea of how to approach that subject.

OK, I may have been wrong on the status of homosexuals, and I'll admit to that.

Nobody seems to want to see it my way here, so I'll just drop it. I really have spun out of control in this thread, and I apologize for that. On a side note, I know I've angered some people when I'm getting hate messages on my visitor board.

I will say though that I was particularly tired last night, but that's not a real excuse. I don't have anything wrong with gays (About the 5th time I've said it in this thread), and I'm neutral on the status of Gay Marriage.

So, uh, I'll just leave this thread alone.

.little monster February 21st, 2010 8:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Objection! (Post 5570454)
No. Maybe I should have been more specific and said homosexuality is a choice for humans. Animals aren't born homosexual either, but I'm not going to go into what goes on in their minds, becuase I don't even have an idea of how to approach that subject.

OK, I may have been wrong on the status of homosexuals, and I'll admit to that.

Nobody seems to want to see it my way here, so I'll just drop it. I really have spun out of control in this thread, and I apologize for that. On a side note, I know I've angered some people when I'm getting hate messages on my visitor board.

I will say though that I was particularly tired last night, but that's not a real excuse. I don't have anything wrong with gays (About the 5th time I've said it in this thread), and I'm neutral on the status of Gay Marriage.

So, uh, I'll just leave this thread alone.

That first statement also contradicts the theory that it's a choice.

People who believe it's a choice, are either misinformed or complete idiots. And I am an idiot, when I call other people idiots, it means you're truly an idiot.

And no, I am not calling you in particular an idiot, as it seems that your views are not completely concrete in your own mind.

Anyway, I shall leave now too before I make it worse.

kevcrash February 21st, 2010 8:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Envy II (Post 5569607)
If you're looking for a trans you've found one... >_<

I love you♥ (:

I edited the first post cuz idk what I was rly saying.. lol

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Originally Posted by pokemonleaguechamp (Post 5570208)
Point #1: I'm straight. Just want to make sure there is no misconceptions on that. No part of me is bi, as I find the idea of sleeping even in the same bed with another guy repulsive(though if you like that, go on ahead).

Point #2: Now, I'm not saying all LGBT folks out there need to shut up and hide away, especially considering anyone knows that ain't happening anytime soon. But, I am not an advocate for gay marriage. I don't know what the problem with unification ceremonies(I honestly don't know what they're being called right now)is. You can still call it whatever you want elsewhere. I don't see why the definition of marriage needs to be changed, when these ceremonies usually result in the same rights as straight marriages.

Point #3: I'd very much prefer not to have the argument that "everybody straight is really at least X% bi", because that's just plain wrong. I can usually tell if someone is gay, bi, or straight based on how they dress, talk, and act. I know that at least most of my straight friends are really straight. Not trying to be discriminatory, as much as it may sound like I am, but once you get good at it it's usually easier to spot differences(and I'm usually right with my observations, which I honestly find surprising).

Point #4: Not a fan of removing the "don't ask, don't tell" policy from the US military. Regardless of if you are openly LGBT, at any workplace, that is not where you express it. I wouldn't. Most people don't. It should be no different in our military.

Closing Statements: I understand the point here, but there's not a really big need for this. LGBT folks aren't being lynched or anything, and you've got your forums, groups, literature, and many other things previously unheard of. Hell, I remember calling my friend "gay"(as he was acting rather gay), and I was heard by my school's LGBT group, who harassed me for a week after that. It may not be like that everywhere, but God forbid if I said anything back, as I bet I'd have been suspended for harassment if I did. Again, I doubt it's like this everywhere, but as with race, there is a growing double standard against majority peoples(whites, straights)that forces us to hold our tongue within the constraints of poltical correctness. That kind of hypocricy, I can't stand for. Under the US Constitution, everybody has equal right to say whatever the hell they want about anyone else at any time. I personally hate political correctness. It keeps us from making rebuttals against black hatred of whites(based on crimes generally over 150 years old), and I feel it may prove true between straights and LGBTs.

I will say no more on this matter, as I am sure the result will be the same as the Debate Section on Serebii(I got my *** flamed off for expressing my beliefs). I'm not forcing anything onto anyone, but I do ask at the bare minimum that you consider what I've said.

A problem is, that the rights given to gays in these "ceremonies" aren't nearly as many as marriage. For one, you can't even legally visit your partner when he/she is dying on a hospital bed. You don't get that right. Why gays want marriage also is because, the Bible (in my opinion) wasn't written by Jesus, it doesn't decide what people do, because those are people telling their stories. Yes, God created gays as well as straights (if you believe in Him) but why would a gay go to Hell b/c God made him/her that way?

Also, like a Swedish comedian once said "We're all bisexual at heart" (I think that's it)

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Originally Posted by Objection! (Post 5570454)
No. Maybe I should have been more specific and said homosexuality is a choice for humans. Animals aren't born homosexual either, but I'm not going to go into what goes on in their minds, becuase I don't even have an idea of how to approach that subject.

OK, I may have been wrong on the status of homosexuals, and I'll admit to that.

Nobody seems to want to see it my way here, so I'll just drop it. I really have spun out of control in this thread, and I apologize for that. On a side note, I know I've angered some people when I'm getting hate messages on my visitor board.

I will say though that I was particularly tired last night, but that's not a real excuse. I don't have anything wrong with gays (About the 5th time I've said it in this thread), and I'm neutral on the status of Gay Marriage.

So, uh, I'll just leave this thread alone.



So, I think maybe what you're trying to say (don't kill me if I'm wrong) is that we choose we're gay because we choose that label. While we do that, our attractions are what they are, b/c our hearts love whoever they do. What I like about being omnisexual(pansexual) is that you don't choose anything your heart wants (which can also be bad). I admit, I like girls, I like guys. I call people hot, but in the end it's about looks. ANYWAYS back to Objection, you don't choose to be attracted to anybody, you choose to accept it.

Honest February 21st, 2010 9:16 AM

I'm none, I'm strait. Not that I have any issues with Gay/Lesbian people. I have a Bisexual friend... or so he says. xD

Kura February 21st, 2010 9:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Ausaudriel (Post 5569860)
Gay and been through the birth vs. choice debate with far bigger fish than Objection, etc., so I'm not going to get into it on PokeCommunity of all places. Looks trollish anyway.

There are a surprisingly large number of gay people around here... it's actually funny sometimes. XD;

I think people who THINK they are gay contributes to this surprisingly large number of gay people around here.
Half of the people who call themselves gay are most likely just going with the fad and really have no idea what it means to be gay.

Obviously there are genuinely glbt people here, but I've noticed that there are also a significant amount that seem to do it for attention.

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Originally Posted by Saucy Fish Boi (Post 5570257)

xD You may be surprised. There was a poll done once (in our community), and there were officially more LGBT than there were straight people. ,_, Although, perhaps gay people are just more likely to take polls.
--interestingly enough, there are actually a large number of LGBT people around here. I would argue it's because the percentage of LGBT people all around is actually larger than one may think, and this is the Internet, and an open and tolerant part of it at that. People often turn to social facets of the Internet for reasons of low self-esteem, or bad social life in the real world, among others. So if not at an actual higher percentage, gays and bisexuals are more likely to be active and have an open social life around these parts. ^_^

It could be this, too. Either way I think that sexuality isn't something to be taken lightly or joked around about, and it really does bother me when people with social ineptitude couple this with their thoughts on gay people. (Example is the above poster with the gay friend who randomly shouts "Buttsecks") Or even when people shout "That's so gay."
And a random thought.. why isn't the word buttsecks censored on here when the four letter word for poo is? And the three letter word for anus is as well?

It also bothers me when people use gay labels for attention. Headers like "LOLOLOL Let's gave a gay touching party!" or other random, ridiculous blog entries, posts, and comments.
I don't know why it doesn't bother anyone else. You don't see me going around parading about how much I like ripped chests because I'm straight. (LOL I don't, really, but I'm just using that as an example.)

I think a lot of people need to mature about this subject and hopefully this thread will shine some new light on people.

Ryoutarou February 21st, 2010 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Kura (Post 5570752)
I think people who THINK they are gay contributes to this surprisingly large number of gay people around here.
Half of the people who call themselves gay are most likely just going with the fad and really have no idea what it means to be gay.

Obviously there are genuinely glbt people here, but I've noticed that there are also a significant amount that seem to do it for attention.

Totally agree with this. There seems to be a lot of people who just go along with it because it's the cool thing to do, and people who think they're gay, but it really is only a superficial attraction. I've no doubt there are genuinely gay people at this board, but I also think that majority of them are teenagers going through an "experimental" phase or just doing it because it's different.

Anywho, I'm straight and subscribe to the idea that being gay is a choice. The moment you label yourself, you're writing off the entirety of the opposite gender, and that is very much a choice because you're choosing to see romantic possibilities only in members of the same sex and if you're not, then you're bisexual, which, again, is a choice. I've never read any study that has convinced me being gay isn't a choice and I doubt I ever will because it also goes against the fundamentals of human biology and the instinctive need to procreate.

Annnd I also don't think PC is an open community at all because people with thoughts like mine, Kura's, and even Objection!'s are often ostracized for posting them. It's an "open" community if you go with whatever the trend of the moment is and if you don't rock the boat, but that's as far as it goes.

Harmonie February 21st, 2010 10:18 AM

Yes, you can CHOOSE to go out with somebody, but to be sexually attracted to them is an entirely different thing.

I don't know about the rest of you, but I can't choose who I'm sexually attracted to. Sure would be nice if that were possible because in all honesty I'd rather be of a different sexuality. :o

kevcrash February 21st, 2010 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Ryoutarou (Post 5570803)
Totally agree with this. There seems to be a lot of people who just go along with it because it's the cool thing to do, and people who think they're gay, but it really is only a superficial attraction. I've no doubt there are genuinely gay people at this board, but I also think that majority of them are teenagers going through an "experimental" phase or just doing it because it's different.

Anywho, I'm straight and subscribe to the idea that being gay is a choice. The moment you label yourself, you're writing off the entirety of the opposite gender, and that is very much a choice because you're choosing to see romantic possibilities only in members of the same sex and if you're not, then you're bisexual, which, again, is a choice. I've never read any study that has convinced me being gay isn't a choice and I doubt I ever will because it also goes against the fundamentals of human biology and the instinctive need to procreate.

Annnd I also don't think PC is an open community at all because people with thoughts like mine, Kura's, and even Objection!'s are often ostracized for posting them. It's an "open" community if you go with whatever the trend of the moment is and if you don't rock the boat, but that's as far as it goes.


Just saying, you can't have an opinion that gay people choose to be gay. There's no opinion in that. Gay people don't choose to be that way, end of story. I also doubt that most of the people on here are just saying they're gay cuz it's "cool". Since when is being a social outcast cool?

Kura February 21st, 2010 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Cloud 9 (Post 5570830)
Just saying, you can't have an opinion that gay people choose to be gay. There's no opinion in that. Gay people don't choose to be that way, end of story. I also doubt that most of the people on here are just saying they're gay cuz it's "cool". Since when is being a social outcast cool?

Because here, on this forum, it's pretty much not a social outcast to be gay.

The Cynic February 21st, 2010 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Timbjerr (Post 5570380)
My two cents on the religious aspect of this debate: The Bible (or at least the Catholic study Bible I used when I was younger) never says that being homosexual is an affront to God. It's a natural anomaly present in all species of animals. The codes of Leviticus describe homsoexual sex acts as an affront to God. God loves the gays, he just doesn't particularly care for buttsecks. >_>

As long as homosexuals are lifelong celibates, they're not breaking the codes of leviticus. Not that hard, but then again, I'm possibly asexual like I stated before, so easy to me might not be easy for the majority of people. XD

As I have previously mentioned Leviticus also names eating bacon as a sin... pretty hypocritical of Christians who think of homosexuality as an abomination but still love the eggs benedict.

NB: I love eggs benedict!

Harmonie February 21st, 2010 12:45 PM

I know that there are likely to be people who THINK they're gay but really aren't, but I think you all over exaggerate the amount of said people.

How many people are going to be so influenced by PokeCommunity's "open-ness" to make them think that they might be gay? The topic doesn't even come up too often around here.

It doesn't matter anyway. There's nothing wrong with homosexuality, and eventually everybody realizes who they're really sexually attracted to... So yeah, no big deal. >_>

Luck February 21st, 2010 1:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Objection! (Post 5569805)
The amount of estrogen or testosterom in ones body does not effect anybody's sexual preferences. I know, I asked it in Health class awhile ago. XD

Estrogen makes the fetus more effeminate. I don't know how that doesn't affect sexuality while the baby is still developing.
http://www.medpagetoday.com/OBGYN/Pregnancy/3641

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Case and point: I have 3 older brothers and not one of us is gay.
The chances of being gay are just higher with every male baby, there isn't any guarantee.

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I did not say you change at the drop of the hat. I said gradually through changes a decisions on your part, you become straight, or gay, or bisexual.
I'll have to disagree if you think that's the largest role. And I have yet to meet one person who keeps switching between sexuality.

I would suggest you just use Google, but I found a good site.
http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/search?src=hw&site_area=sci&fulltext=homosexuality&x=0&y=0

There you go, I think you'd trust what the scientists say over some random user.

Elesha February 21st, 2010 1:24 PM

None, I'm straight but I have dated two guys in the past who we're both bisexual...or so they said..

I also have friends who are gay/bi. As long as my friends and others are happy with their sexuality then I am too. It shouldn't matter what other's say as long as you are happy and confortable with your own sexuality that's all that should matter. People shouldn't discriminate against anyone be it their sexuality, colour of their skin etc. We're all human.

robobbiebob February 21st, 2010 1:25 PM

welllllllll Im bisexual :D

Esper February 21st, 2010 1:34 PM

I look forward to the day when people understand that it shouldn't matter if someone can or can't choose to be straight, gay or anything else. Who cares if it's a choice or not? The whole argument about it being a choice/not-a-choice seems to imply that if it is a choice people are wrong for making it and that if it isn't a choice you shouldn't blame people for their "unfortunate" condition. It's stupid.

Anxiety. February 21st, 2010 1:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Kura (Post 5570752)
Obviously there are genuinely glbt people here, but I've noticed that there are also a significant amount that seem to do it for attention.

I agree. I am bi, because I honestly feel comfortable dating both genders, and the idea of sex with either one doesn't scare me. (Not that I'm planning to have sex any time soon), also, the kind of attention I get isnt the kind I'd like. I get beat up and constantly teased because I'm bi.

But I do know loads of people that are like 'I'm gay. I'm so gay, I can't tell anyone because blah blah blah' when it's like 'No, you're not gay, you like the attention it gets you, but would you honestly have sex/kiss/marry someone of the same sex?' and most the time they're confusing a good friendship with love/a crush.

I've noticed that alot of these people are rather young aswell. Younger than 16 usually.

And finally, you can't choose your sexuality. I would much rather be straight in my area, I'm tired of being beaten up. It's not like I can help it.


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